[00:15] <peterrus> in case you do, it has to do with libreoffice ;) there is a bugreport
[08:20] <krofna> my ubuntu crashes when I try to install qt sdk from official site. what should i do?
[08:30] <gnomefreak> krofna: isnt it in our repos
[08:31] <gnomefreak> and i would neerd the full name of package
[08:31] <gnomefreak> s/neerd/need
[08:34] <Walther> Apparently the keyboard shortcut issue has been fixed
[08:34] <Walther> nice
[08:35] <krofna> gnomefreak: software centre is... misbehaving. "here isn’t a software package called “qt-sdk” in your current software sources."
[08:36] <krofna> when i click qt-sdk, that message is shown
[08:36] <gnomefreak> qt-sdk - Complete Qt Software Development Kit
[08:36] <gnomefreak> krofna: ^^^ its in the repos
[08:37] <gnomefreak> krofna: try using apt-get or synaptic
[08:37] <user82> hi. odes anyone know if the wallpaper of the user at login now works with custom wallpapers(as long as the path to the custom wallpaper is not encrypted)
[08:37] <histo> !info qt-sdk
[08:37] <user82> i think in 12.04 it only worked if you had one of the delivered default wallpapers
[08:38] <histo> !info qt-sdk quantal | krofna
[08:39] <krofna> apt-get works ^^
[08:41] <gnomefreak> are you done playing with the bot?
[08:50] <gnomefreak> !info qt-sdk
[08:50] <gnomefreak> good fixed
[09:02] <histo> gnomefreak: wasn't playing just noticed the first queue showd precise not quantal
[09:02] <histo> s/query/queue
[10:16] <krofna> How to install flash on chromium?
[10:17] <krofna> When i try installing from software manager it says i have umet dependencies
[10:18] <krofna> software centre* w/e
[10:19] <dwatkins> krofna: are you trying t install 'flashplugin-nonfree'? What happens if you do it with apt-get install at the command line?
[10:20] <krofna> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[10:20] <krofna>  flashplugin-installer : Depends: libnspr4-0d but it is not going to be installed
[10:23] <dwatkins> aptitude may allow you to resolve a dependancy issue, but I don't know what might be causing the conflict, so I'm hesitant to suggest it.
[10:27] <krofna> Can I get flash to work with some other browser?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:34] <tarvid> thinking of giving xubuntu 12.10 a go on my 12.04 ubuntu laptop
[12:34] <tarvid> what is the easiest way?
[12:43] <susundberg> tarvid: usb stick with 'try xubuntu' i would guess
[12:49] <proti> morining.
[12:49] <proti> I'm going back with UEFI booting.
[12:49] <proti> Quantal does not boot at all. I have to put noefi switch.
[12:50] <proti> I was able to boot the Fedora 18 TC2 ok
[12:50] <proti> I just figured that the command given to grub are not the same.
[12:50] <proti> The boot commands are efilinux and efiinitrd or something like that.
[12:51] <proti> Whereas the Ubuntu was simply linux and initrd.
[12:52] <WarOfTheNerd> proti, IIRC it doesn't use GRUB when booting from EFI due to needing to fulfill licensing requirements for Secure Boot
[12:52] <proti> Fedora boot says that Secure Boot is disabled.
[12:53] <proti> It's a last year laptop Asus N53SN
[12:55] <proti> Ubuntu boot grub ok, I have the menu from efigrub.
[12:56] <proti> Problem is that kernel doesn't boot when selecting any of the line if I don't put the noefi.
[12:56] <WarOfTheNerd> proti, weird.  I'd report it as a bug
[12:57] <WarOfTheNerd> when the final release is out it should work perfectly ^_^
[12:58] <proti> Fedora uses special commands like linuxefi and initrdefi to load the initial kernel.
[12:59] <WarOfTheNerd> that's because Fedora has a special signed kernel/initrd
[12:59] <proti> Should be the kernel then.
[12:59] <WarOfTheNerd> Ubuntu is not signing the kernel or initrd, just the bootloader
[13:00] <WarOfTheNerd> or rather, Ubuntu is signing the bootloader with a proper key but the kernel/initrd doesn't have to be signed
[13:00] <proti> A two way stage boot.
[13:01] <proti> I though that once the grub was loaded, the kernel can be booted.
[13:09] <zeusk> I'm getting totally corrupted display with 12.10 nightly (nvidia 9600gt) off a live USB, is this known issue ?
[13:10] <zeusk> anyone ?
[13:12] <xtian> hi everyone. i think i've found an issue with gnome-autogen.sh from gnome-common (3.5.5) in quantal. tried to build gtkhtml from today's git master. gnome-autogen.sh seemed to call configure before it even created that file. anything known about this issue?
[13:14] <xtian> same gtkhtml source tree built fine on precise
[13:50] <BluesKaj> suddenly authentication is needed to access my other drives and partitions ,by policykit1-kde ...what gives ?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> they're mounted and listed om dolphion places as usual
[13:51] <BluesKaj> om=on
[14:41] <yofel> zeusk: sounds like a bug in nouveau, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' from the live disk
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek is starting in a bit more than 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:49] <yofel> yay, new nvidia driver up \o/
[14:49] <user82> yay ati driver still not great ^^
[14:56] <xtian> [repost] i think i've found an issue with gnome-autogen.sh from gnome-common (3.5.5) in quantal. tried to build gtkhtml from today's git master. gnome-autogen.sh seemed to call configure before it even created that file. anything known about this issue? same gtkhtml source tree built fine on precise
[15:57] <w_> i installed ubuntu 12.10 repos to upgrade kernel, can i upgrade the other packages?
[15:57] <w_> i mean, if i upgraded the is a chance to break the system?
[15:58] <w_> *there
[15:58] <w_> anyone?
[18:12] <javier_nicolas> Hello, can I make a question here about Webapps?
[18:13] <trism> javier_nicolas: you can, there is also #ubuntu-webapps too, though seems kind of dead at the moment
[18:15] <Pici> javier_nicolas: Again, maybe I don't understand what you mean, but I don't see how "Webapps" in general have anything to do with Ubuntu.  Perhaps asking in a channel for whatever language you programmed your app in would be more appropriate?
[18:16] <javier_nicolas> well, I have the preview of Webapps installed on 12.04, and I don't know if it is a bug or not, but, when I open a webapp and after close it, it remains at the launcher (tray) and I can't remove then until I log-off or reset Unity interface? Is that a bug?
[18:17] <trism> Pici: I think he means the ubuntu webapps integration: http://blog.canonical.com/2012/07/19/introducing-ubuntu-web-apps-setting-the-web-free-of-the-browser/
[18:18] <Pici> oh
[18:20] <trism> javier_nicolas: maybe bug 1033397 ?
[18:20] <Pici> javier_nicolas: sorry, I thought you meant a specific web application.
[18:21] <javier_nicolas> thank you very much. When do you expect fix it?
[18:24] <trism> javier_nicolas: not sure, you can subscribe to the bug if you have a launchpad account to get email updates
[18:26] <javier_nicolas> thank you everyone for response!!! It's the first time that use IRC channel, and all people are very friendly!!
[19:08] <gotwig> how to setup IRC in empathy?
[19:08] <gotwig> it always redirects to "online accounts", where is there IRC?
[19:09] <trism> gotwig: looks like it isn't installed by default, try installing account-plugin-irc
[19:09] <gotwig> trism: thank you. I will try
[19:10] <gotwig> why isnt it by default there >.<?
[19:10] <trism> gotwig: no idea, could just be an oversight, everything got split out into separate packages recently
[19:11] <WarOfTheNerd> gotwig, IRC on Empathy is crapz0r
[19:12] <gotwig> no login information?
[19:13] <gotwig> WarOfTheNerd: I like Quassel
[19:13] <WarOfTheNerd> Quassel++
[19:14] <gotwig> WTF do GNOME apps
[19:14] <gotwig> I hate these new menus
[19:14] <gotwig> Ubuntu is going to be so strange for many people...
[19:46] <xubuntu341> so, this quest its about quantal 12.10 and mobility radeon x700. I woul lke to know about the radeon public drivers that come in the distro. How could i run them instead vesa. Thank you.
[19:47] <xubuntu341> any one?
[19:51] <ironhalik> xubuntu341: I'm not an ATI user, but I think you're interested in Gallium3D drivers
[19:51] <ironhalik> and they should be installed by default - unless you installed AMD binary drivers
[19:52] <xubuntu341> on this gpu its not possible at this distro
[19:53] <xubuntu341> bi mean private binaries
[19:54]  * gotwig is chatting from Thunderbird
[19:54] <gotwig> so now we have two chat apps in 12.10, awsom ^^?
[19:54] <gotwig> but Thunderbird has no online accounts integration
[19:54] <ironhalik> well, proprietary
[19:54] <gotwig> ironhalik: ?
[19:54] <ironhalik> that was for xubuntu341
[19:55] <ironhalik> gotwig: but why would you need anything other then irssi? :>
[19:55] <gotwig> ironhalik: couse Thunderbird and Empathy come by default?
[19:55] <gotwig> I really like to know what Ubuntu is going to do to "fix" that in 13.04
[19:55] <xubuntu341> no possible with mobility radeon M26
[19:55] <gotwig> two chat apps
[19:56] <ironhalik> and irssi is just 'apt-get install irssi' away :P
[19:56] <gotwig> ironhalik: than I have 3 clients -..-
[19:56] <gotwig> Thunderbird is still the best looking ubuntu app
[19:56] <gotwig> with Nautilus
[19:56] <ironhalik> you need to remember that irc is not as popular as it used to be
[19:57] <gotwig> ironhalik: ?
[19:57] <ironhalik> ppl dont want IRC clients - they want jabber/AIM/whatever clients :P
[19:57] <gotwig> no
[19:57] <gotwig> they want a multimessenger
[19:58] <gotwig> see whatsapp
[19:58]  * gotwig loves Thunderbird
[19:59] <ironhalik> shame they reverted to nautilus 3.4
[19:59] <gotwig> Is it really good, that a mail app should care about such stuff?
[19:59] <gotwig> so what is empathys mission?
[19:59] <ironhalik> 3.5 was nicer, except some minor flaws to be ironed out
[19:59] <gotwig> So what is Ubuntu going to do in the future
[19:59] <gotwig> GNOME apps are going to go a different way
[19:59] <gotwig> the apps in 12.10 are inconsistent
[20:00] <gotwig> see empathy/thunderbird libreoffice/java apps
[20:00] <ironhalik> they'll fork some stuff and reconsider the other
[20:00] <gotwig> they would have to fork
[20:00] <gotwig> everything
[20:00] <ironhalik> nautilus 3.5 was better then 3.4, escept for some minor stuff that was being worked on
[20:01] <ironhalik> IMHO droping 3.5 was too quick
[20:01] <gotwig> IMHO nautilus elementary
[20:01] <gotwig> was the best file manager
[20:01] <gotwig> but Ubuntu devs said it was too hacky
[20:01] <gotwig> someone should merge it with nautilus and than create a new filemanager
[20:01] <gotwig> for ubuntu
[20:02] <gotwig> and, no one does care about Linux Mint, to say that clear.
[20:02] <ironhalik> I, actually hate mint :P
[20:02] <ironhalik> it takes some of the user base from ubuntu
[20:03] <ironhalik> sure, I get the 'do whatever you want' policy, but FOSS community should focus on couple of distros with different strengths
[20:03] <gotwig> ironhalik: these "people" are not users
[20:03] <Debolaz> Competition is a good thing.
[20:03] <Debolaz> It ensures dumb ideas die. :)
[20:03] <gotwig> Linux Mint is no competition
[20:03] <ironhalik> not fork whenever someone dosnt like something
[20:03] <gotwig> elementary, is.
[20:04] <ironhalik> I mean it from the perspective of developers like valve - theres a reason they're making Steam on ubuntu, not on linux
[20:04] <gotwig> ironhalik: becouse Linux isnt an operating system?
[20:04] <gotwig> >.<
[20:04] <gotwig> please dont reply..
[20:04] <Debolaz> Forking++
[20:06] <ironhalik> GNU/Linux, if you like rms
[20:07] <ironhalik> still, I'm an android developer - and it can be hell because every asshole manufacturer thinks that FOSS means 'change stuff the way I think is better'
[20:08] <micahg> !ohmy | ironhalik
[20:08] <ironhalik> sure, sorry
[20:08] <ironhalik> just making conversation ;>
[20:13] <Debolaz> Mint is good, because of the competition on ideas. If Ubuntu implemented something users hated too much to stand, they'd jump ship to Mint, which indicates to the Ubuntu developers that they should revert the changes. It also gives a testbed for alternative ideas, maybe Mint comes up with some revolutionary new concept, which can in turn be adopted by Ubuntu.
[20:13] <ironhalik> Hmm - sure - that's a good point
[20:14] <ironhalik> but it seems people started hating Unity just because some vocal minority was bashing it
[20:14] <ironhalik> which is absurd considering there were/are couple of ways to revert to more classic desktop - without jumping on another distro
[20:15] <Debolaz> Well, I got the impression that Unity became unpopular because of some annoying bugs early on (compiz crashing frequently and leaking memory didn't help). But Unity doesn't seem to get less popular nowadays, in fact it seems like people are increasingly willing to accept it.
[20:16] <ironhalik> I personally always liked the workflow of Unity, and the way it's efficient with screen real estate - so I'm probably biased
[20:16] <Debolaz> Well yeah, I love Unity as well. :)
[20:16] <Walther> i like it
[20:16] <Walther> there's so much more to it than the bar
[20:16] <Walther> people hate it because "it's a tablet ui"
[20:17] <Debolaz> Though I question if the removal of Unity2D was a good idea, performance is still bad on llvmpipe. I guess it might be sorted out eventually though, it seems there are some specific effects that slows it down.
[20:17] <Walther> they forget the alt+type menu thing, lenses, etc
[20:17] <ironhalik> either way - my point was that that the whole GNU/Linux diversity makes it hard for the year of linux desktop to arrive ;>
[20:17] <Walther> performance wise it'll take a while but afaik the dependency hell was pretty bad
[20:18] <Walther> differences between unity 2d abd 3d
[20:18] <Debolaz> ironhalik: The year of the linux desktop wouldn't be any closer if we had all just stayed with slackware and not made new distributions though. :-)
[20:18] <ironhalik> Debolaz: thats certainly true :)
[20:19] <Walther> imho with the failure of win 8 and big things like Unity 3 engine and Source engine - not to forget Steam - coming to linux is pretty much going for the year of linux
[20:19] <Walther> it's trending towards it
[20:19] <Debolaz> Netcraft confirms it!
[20:19] <Debolaz> :-)
[20:20] <ironhalik> :)
[20:20] <Walther> next we need a graphics company like adobe or corel to create a suite on linux
[20:21] <ironhalik> Pretty much, on Ubuntu, gaming is the only thing I miss - If I was to go back to windows, I would miss workspaces, termial, apt-get, terminal, unity, terminal, irssi, terminal and so on ;>
[22:00] <vivid> Debolaz::: definitely because the bugs.  it simply did not and still does not function as a stable workspace.  so, people jumped ship because they wanted the stability they were used to.  recall for some many, many years we all (many) used gnome-panel and company.  flashy and bugged just isnt attractive
[22:02] <vivid> the contrast from legacy gnome to gnome 3 and unity was immense.  i dont think most of the users at those times really cared about how many effects their desktop had.  add the broken functionality "cherry" on top and you have obvious reasons for discourse
[22:17] <jbicha> t
[23:26] <jakubo> has anyone tested empathy?
[23:27] <jakubo> its complete and utter crap!
[23:30] <jakubo> there is no way to have control over accounts whatsoever. by some funny way my old configuration is in it, but not accessible
[23:31] <jakubo> and adding new acounts in the gnome system center is simply impossible. apart from that only facebook chat is working. and gadu gadu is NOT (as has been for so long already)