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| * Laney respins the failed ubuntu dailies | 09:14 | |
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| xnox | FFe process applies to unseeded/universe packages as well. True or False? | 10:05 |
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| Laney | yes | 10:05 |
| knome | hi Laney | 10:05 |
| Laney | hey knome | 10:05 |
| knome | Laney, i'm sorry, i had a misunderstanding on the gtk2 indicator issue - i'm been told we knew about it well before | 10:05 |
| knome | Laney, and now the answer for your question: we are going to reupload them; if you can help.. | 10:06 |
| knome | Laney, ..then please tell us you can. :) | 10:06 |
| Laney | help in what way? | 10:06 |
| Laney | I can't help you maintain them ... | 10:06 |
| knome | help reuploading | 10:06 |
| knome | of course not, but we still need to reupload them | 10:07 |
| Laney | ah, well if you prepare a package then I can help on that side | 10:07 |
| knome | we'll get it sorted | 10:07 |
| Laney | you'll need FFe too. | 10:07 |
| knome | yes, i hope those will be granted | 10:08 |
| knome | mr_pouit is working on it with gilir from lubuntu | 10:08 |
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| davmor2 | Hey guys there looks to be an issue with webcam detection on my laptop did a current install from yesterday and ubiquity fails on the webcam page. This in turn nails the system I have to hard power switch it, reisub fails, ssh fails. I'm going to see if it effects the installed system and see if I can get some debug info from there | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | yeap same issue running cheese it just kills the system completely | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | over the the kernel channel I guess and hopefully they can help | 11:19 |
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| phillw | is the quantal kernel in todays release, or do we need to await for a rebuild ( re: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt|IRC ) | 19:58 |
| slangasek | phillw: what do you mean by "in today's release"? any quantal daily builds are using a quantal kernel. | 20:08 |
| phillw | slangasek: the notes from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt | 20:10 |
| phillw | was that updated Q kernel in for todays respins, or does it have to wait untill tomorrow? | 20:11 |
| Laney | you can check the manifest files to find out exactly which packages are included | 20:11 |
| phillw | Laney: do have a link handy, save me spending time on google when all I want to do is let the Qa teams know we have 'the final' kernel to be tested quickly before feature freeze lands on Thursday? | 20:13 |
| bjf | phillw: if you are talking about 3.5.0-13.13 then it will probably be in tomorrows daily. that quantal kernel was only published 7 hrs. ago. | 20:14 |
| phillw | bjf: thanks I'm referring to the part of the email http://pastebin.com/F8zYn4i6 | 20:15 |
| Laney | eg http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-amd64.manifest | 20:15 |
| phillw | It's always fun to the testers that they have 24 hours before a feature freeze for a kernel :P | 20:15 |
| bjf | phillw: that's the kernel version i just mentioned | 20:15 |
| phillw | no worries, I'll let them all know :) | 20:15 |
| cyphermox | arf, I blindly uploaded indicator-sync 12.10.1-0ubuntu1; it's perhaps not so clear, but it's a bugfix release despite the API/ABI changes; nothing should be using it in the archive yet | 20:41 |
| micahg | cyphermox: I'm sure you're aware that new binaries need an FFe | 20:59 |
| seb128 | micahg, do they? | 21:09 |
| micahg | seb128: that's what I've been told | 21:10 |
| seb128 | micahg, where is it written? | 21:10 |
| micahg | seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze | 21:10 |
| micahg | second section, second bullet | 21:10 |
| micahg | that's ABI, not general though | 21:10 |
| seb128 | micahg, that's not about new binaries, but about abi changes | 21:11 |
| * micahg thought this was fixed last cycle.... | 21:11 | |
| seb128 | micahg, that page has no new binary mention | 21:11 |
| seb128 | there is no "binary" match at all in fact | 21:11 |
| micahg | well, if you want to get technical, the first line doesn't say source explicitly :) | 21:12 |
| * micahg wishes a release person would come to his defense here :) | 21:13 | |
| seb128 | well,I disagree that new binaries should require a ffe in a systematic way | 21:13 |
| seb128 | the documentation doesn't state it should | 21:13 |
| seb128 | so if that's a real rule it should be stated somewhere | 21:13 |
| micahg | I would argue that it could have in impact on how other packages use this package in question | 21:14 |
| seb128 | we have been accepting some new -dbg recently without asking for a ffe | 21:14 |
| micahg | *crickets* | 21:15 |
| seb128 | why would adding a dbg impact on other packages? | 21:15 |
| micahg | seb128: that's a case where it wouldn't, but cases where you add a data/common package certainly could | 21:15 |
| seb128 | ok, so the rules is not about "new binaries", it's more specific ;-) | 21:15 |
| micahg | well, some FFes you know will be approved, but you file them anyways, but I'll let someone from the release team verify what I've said before I go on with it | 21:16 |
| slangasek | seb128: it has an impact on how the developers are spending time post-FF; uploading (and archive processing) of -dbg packages doesn't seem like very much focusing on bugfixes? | 21:17 |
| slangasek | but I wouldn't reject a -dbg package I saw in the NEW queue during FF | 21:17 |
| slangasek | because it wouldn't be worth arguing about | 21:17 |
| seb128 | right, that's basically my position as well... | 21:17 |
| seb128 | slangasek, well, I could argue that -dbg can be useful for debugging,bug fixing | 21:18 |
| slangasek | no, that's what we have .ddebs for :) | 21:18 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 21:18 |
| seb128 | yeah, I wish we had ddebs support in launchpad though for those upstream who do daily builds and such in ppas using the same packaging | 21:19 |
| Laney | I understand that this indicator-sync upload /was/ an ABI break though? | 21:27 |
| Laney | So should have had an exception however you read that page... | 21:28 |
| Laney | it's kind of unfortunate that it now FTBFS on arm* ppc too | 21:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, oh, it's indicator-sync we are talking about ;-) I joined just to read the comment on new binaries | 21:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, indicator-sync is NEW in the archive for less than a week and used by nothing and there is a ffe for u1 to use it | 21:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm unsure there is a need to file yet another ffe for a new package just to make it work when it never worked | 21:36 |
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