[05:34] quit [05:34] quit() [08:46] bobweaver: Are you here? === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw === chihchun is now known as zz_chihchun [10:11] I'm trying to build ubuntu-tv on 12.04 and pandaboard and I'm stuck on this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171497/ [10:12] does this mean that I installed qt4 (because in fact I installed), but not the one for pandaboard? [11:14] cob-olp_, lp:ubuntutv won't build on 12.04 [11:14] Use Saviq's ppa:) [11:14] not ppa [11:14] branch [11:15] sorry [11:15] cob-olp_, but anyway cmake complains about the lack of the compiler, not even q [11:15] qt [11:23] I use this one lp:~saviq/ubuntutv/precise_merge [11:24] cob-olp_, that's ~ok, it's as close as you can get for 12.04 [11:24] cob-olp_, can't you just go `apt-get build-dep unity-2d`? that will install all build dependencies you need for building ubuntutv [11:24] Yep, and at least it runs:) [11:26] now I can :) [11:27] why I have to `apt-get build-dep unity-2d` [11:27] I thought that I have unity2d already [11:27] and 3d as well [11:27] cob-olp_: Just follow the instructions:) [11:29] ok [11:29] Actually it installs extra packages:) [11:29] I saw that you have tried the same thing recently [11:30] Yep. [11:30] did it work? [11:30] Yes:) I am actually running it in a Ubuntu Studio with Unity:) [11:30] Ubuntu Studio? [11:31] Yep. I installed ubuntu-desktop on it:) [11:31] I don't understand [11:32] cob-olp_: It was Xfce out-of-the-box, then I installed unity on it. The simple version [11:34] ok [11:34] unity and then ubuntu-tv [11:34] Yep. [11:34] You don't need to do so [11:34] I do [11:34] but I would like to run it on pandaboard [11:35] cob-olp_, `apt-get build-dep` installs _build_ dependencies, not runtime dependencies [11:36] thanks [11:36] cob-olp_, means things that are needed to _build_ the package, not necessarily to run it [11:36] now it's clear [11:38] :) [11:53] So cob-olp_: Does TV work in 12.04? [11:53] I do not know [11:53] Which step are you on? [11:54] at the moment I'm stuck on apt-get build-dep unity-2d [11:54] Why? [11:54] Use sudo [11:54] there are some problems [11:54] I use sudo [11:54] Copy and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com [11:54] but I do this on pandaboard [11:55] ok [11:56] will try to paste [11:56] Thanks [11:56] it is strange [11:57] Why? [11:57] some errors say that there is no space left [11:57] Uh. [11:57] df -h [11:57] but there is free space [11:57] do you have any space left? [11:58] 600MB [11:58] cob-olp_: That is a bit less... [11:59] I hope that this doesn't mean that next SD card is broken [12:00] but now there are errors right after I execute for example dpkg --configure -a [12:02] will try to reboot [12:04] after reboot "recovery required on readonly filesystem"... [12:04] hope it will boot after recovery [12:06] OK. [12:06] looks more like your install wasnt run properly ... does the second partition actually fill the card ? [12:07] yes [12:07] I have only 4GB card [12:07] I bought cheap, small after two were broken... [12:07] cob-olp_: 4GB isn't enough AT ALL [12:09] ok, but now I am pretty sure that this is not free space problem [12:09] it looks like that [12:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171653/ [12:12] On the first 2 lines, do you actually have another terminal running? [12:13] no in fact [12:13] I'm right after reboot [12:13] Hmm...I'm a bit dumbfounded [12:13] hmm, did you use a proper ubuntu imae for this install ? doesnt really look like [12:14] http://releases.linaro.org/12.04/components/platform/linaro-image-tools/linaro-image-tools-2012.04.tar.gz [12:14] sorry [12:14] yeah, linaro ... [12:14] http://releases.linaro.org/12.04/ubuntu/leb-panda/lt-panda-x11-base_20120505-32-ubuntu-desktop.img.bz2 [12:15] no idea how they mix in their hacks and changes on top of ubuntu [12:15] I can use any other [12:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP [12:16] thats the official doc pointing to the official images [12:16] :) [12:16] didn't know that there is official one [12:18] thanks, will try with it [12:19] :) [12:20] also if you have arm questions or problems, there is #ubuntu-arm ;) [12:22] ok [12:22] ogra_ will help you a lot in ARM knowledge I'm sure [12:47] should I use dd to copy this image to SD card? [12:48] or maybe there is different procedure? [12:50] just follow the instructions on the wiki [12:51] zcat image.img.gz | sudo dd of=/path/to/your/unmounted/SD/device [12:52] ok, I decompressed manualy and now dd [13:26] o/ bobweaver [13:30] hello smartboyhw how are you today ? [13:31] Fine. How are ya [13:31] ok trying to figure out why mythavtest is not working correctly [13:32] Uh oh [13:34] smartboyhw, hows the 12.04 experience coming along ? [13:34] Well, sorry, I re-installed my Ubuntu Studio, so no TV now:( [13:35] smartboyhw, I learned yesterday that Myth tv is the best [13:35] True [13:35] and that threre is nothing out that that even compairs [13:36] with tgm4883 scope running this thing is a beast now only if mythavtest would play the videos [13:37] :) [13:50] Dear tgm4883 you rock also here is how to get previews need to add this to lens and fill it in correct http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171828/ [13:51] bobweaver and tgm4883 you BOTH rock [13:58] New weekly update: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/08/28/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-8/ [13:58] Thanks jhodapp [13:58] np [14:15] o/ bobweaver you're back! [14:15] yeah this is going to happen alot today as I am testing new lens and scopes [14:16] Have you looked at the new weekly update? [14:16] trying to get the previews going for the myth tv scope [14:16] no [14:16] I have not seen that [14:16] what is the link again ? [14:16] !topioc [14:16] http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/08/28/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-8/ [14:16] !topic [14:16] thansk [14:17] none of that makes sense to me [14:17] esp grilo [14:17] Why? [14:17] because myth does all that [14:17] and a box of tricks [14:18] Yeah, ask jhodapp for taht [14:18] *that [14:18] weve talked [14:18] :) [14:18] bottom line is this there is no other thing out there that I know of that can read data like myth [14:18] IE E.I.T [14:19] dont get me wrong grilo is awesome [14:19] :) [14:19] but it needs so much work that IDT that it is worth it when there are things that are faster and included in the thing that you need the most [14:19] that beeing myth tv [14:20] :) [14:20] there is no other way to watch live tv [14:20] with out it [14:20] ;) [14:20] And it scans all of you data for you and sets it up real nice [14:20] :) [14:21] now that form-factor tv is there we can use the services api in lens and scopes to get all that info [14:21] and present to the end user in the dash [14:21] I would say that if we want to use grilo [14:21] 1) Implant into myth tv 1st [14:21] Uh huh [14:22] then just use as a secondary meta grabber [14:22] :) [14:22] but I still dont see the point [14:22] The #1 thing that people do with tv's are watch them [14:22] how you going to watch tv on ubuntu tv with out myth [14:23] I do agree;) [14:23] That is the real question that should be floating around [14:23] But Like I saud I use and like grilo [14:23] said * [14:23] bobweaver I support you:) [14:24] but myth api offers all that and a bag of tricks === LjL^ is now known as LjL [14:24] :) [14:24] and after RE the unity-scope-videos-remote last night it would work the same dang way :) [14:25] ;) [14:25] maybe put a debconf file in there that can be used on install that ask's the user what there IP for there server is and then fills in the blanks via ppostinst [14:26] or have Ubuntu Fill there servers with all the meta data allready that they have [14:26] as the scope calls the ubuntu server [14:26] it is in the code on the 1 10 lines [14:27] bobweaver, doesn't it just get a list of sources? [14:28] cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep "SERVER [14:29] cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep "SERVER" [14:30] Not sure tgm4883 that is why I am RE'ing it [14:30] cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep -B 5 -A 5 "SERVER" [14:30] Not sure tgm4883 that is why I am RE'ing it [14:30] """Query the server for a list of sources that will be used [14:30] to build sources filter options and search queries.""" [14:30] msg = Soup.Message.new("GET", SERVER + "/sources") [14:30] so it gets a list [14:30] what's the issue, I've been working on the remote scope recently...anything I can answer? [14:31] how to plug in previews jhodapp [14:31] what do you mean? [14:31] hang on I will pastebn [14:31] thanks for jumping in [14:31] np [14:32] you are using the latest version of the remote video scope's source, right? [14:32] it has a preview plugged in [14:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171897/ [14:32] that is the scope that we are trying to add previews to [14:32] it has a preview [14:32] yeah I am using the most Bleeding edge [14:32] preview = Unity.MoviePreview.new(title, subtitle, desc, thumbnail_icon) [14:32] play_video = Unity.PreviewAction.new("play", _("Play"), None) [14:32] play_video.connect('activated', self.play_video) [14:32] preview.add_action(play_video) [14:32] #TODO: insert proper uploader and upload date when available in videosearch metadata [14:32] preview.add_info(Unity.InfoHint.new("uploaded-by", _("Uploaded by"), None, "")); [14:32] there not working [14:32] preview.add_info(Unity.InfoHint.new("uploaded-on", _("Uploaded on"), None, "")); [14:32] return preview [14:33] I just added that [14:33] there are #comments where I am adding stuff [14:33] so on_activate_uri() is not getting called? [14:33] correct [14:33] err, on_preview_uri [14:34] line 57 ? [14:34] yeah, looks correct [14:34] you're not using a new enough unity then [14:34] I had that issue...use the unity staging ppa [14:34] that is crazy I am on staging ppa [14:35] oh, I'm not sure then as that's what I'm using [14:35] sorry [14:35] let me try again [14:35] paste the URL of the staging ppa you're using [14:35] so yesterday me and tgm rocked the world with his mythtv scope [14:35] that is what you are seing in that paste [14:36] very cool [14:36] but me beeing a N00b to python don't help so what is going on here is that the scope works great [14:36] ;) [14:36] but just not the previews [14:36] that is the only thing that is not working [14:37] paste the URL please [14:37] I am getting back picture from my mythtv backend and all my videos ect [14:38] unity-team-staging-quantal.list [14:38] that is /etc/apt/sources.list.d [14:38] where do I find link ? [14:38] I got the link from the Ubuntu tv page last week [14:39] using this? ppa:unity-team/staging [14:39] https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging [14:40] it is the http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu [14:40] that one [14:40] the url is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unity-team-staging-quantal.list [14:40] the filename doesn't really matter [14:41] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu quantal main [14:41] that is what is installed [14:42] updateing and upgradeing [14:43] jhodapp, do you see anything in that file that need to be added like json or anything like that for previews [14:43] or a glib or something maybe ? [14:44] not for a preview to work, it's as easy as those lines that I pasted above, and having the signal handlers properly connected [14:44] like I said, I'm 99% sure you're just missing the latest unity/libunity [14:46] Unity is now beeing upgraded [14:46] cool [14:46] jhodapp, did you see my rant about meatadata [14:46] and myth tv [14:47] I did, and I don't know what to say about it other than we decided to use Grilo [14:47] I don't know enough about MythTV to comment on it's merits or otherwise [14:47] that is get how you going to get EIT [14:48] bobweaver, that's not overly difficult [14:48] if you're done it before [14:48] you've [14:48] jhodapp, I think that you should look into that and the fact that myth tv is the only open source software that plays live tv (at least that I know about ) [14:49] bobweaver, that's not to say that we haven't looked at it, I just haven't looked at it [14:49] ahh cool [14:49] we being the uTV team in Canonical [14:49] :P [14:49] when are you guys ever going to let the public in [14:49] I think that I have permission [14:49] bobweaver certainly has:) [14:49] 13.04 will be huge for that [14:50] like when mark shuttleworth said welcome to the team [14:50] and you already are in some ways now, the previews work [14:50] 2x [14:50] ... [14:51] I think that one of the most imporant things with this whole thing is beeing over looked [14:52] bobweaver, you read my email to you at the end of last week, right? [14:52] the most imporant thing to joe average is that he can watch his news or what ever it is that he wants to [14:52] yes sis you read the follow up jhodapp [14:52] did * [14:53] For me it is that I can talk to my TV using Skype app in my TV, using voice control for me:) [14:53] I did yes [14:53] bobweaver, so 13.04 will be huge, and until then you just gotta be patient [14:54] smartboyhw, yeah and when the dude on the tv is about to blow up and says "we need to shut down the bomb" your tv shuts down [14:54] I think bobweaver doesn't have the patience *sigh* [14:54] bobweaver: LOL [14:55] jhodapp, that is not true you are just saying that [14:57] IDGI I mean what you think that I will leak things ? or that I will take code and run . I guess that my 100's of push's of code dont show anything [14:57] that is a slap to the face of the community [14:57] bobweaver, it is true [14:57] ehh water under the bridge [14:57] :) [14:57] I support bobweaver [14:59] when there are questions like the one that I have and other just say wait that means that people are hiddig things [14:59] bobweaver, A lot of this will get sorted during UDS-R [15:00] that is great [15:00] I thought that we where a team [15:00] But I guess that the canonical employee's do not want there to be a community team [15:01] bobweaver, Historically, Canonical has played some things close to the vest [15:01] Yeah, Canonical wants the whole project be their own:( [15:01] until it's going to be included [15:01] IDGI I thought that it was open source ? [15:01] if you look at how things have been done in the past, you will realize that Ubuntu TV will not be shipping in 12.10 [15:01] So do I [15:01] oh I know that for sure [15:02] but 13.04 either at the rate things are going [15:02] Sure, at 13.04 we will all be dead:( [15:02] esp when you got bamf coders just sitting by on there hands [15:02] so when jhodapp says it will be big in 13.04, that probably means that things will start being public (since they would need to be) [15:02] smartboyhw, 13.04 is like 2-3 months away [15:03] Er, we can't wait. Do we, bobweaver> [15:03] what ? [15:03] smartboyhw, depending on what you are working on, you don't have to wait [15:03] I can wait but I will test the alpha and if there is something that I see I make patch and send upstream [15:03] that is what I am [15:04] I am a tester [15:04] for instance, I didn't wait to start on the MythTV scope [15:04] Well, I don't know how to code Grilo, and I'm best at testing, which I have to wait. [15:04] smartboyhw, you could test grilo? [15:04] tgm4883: How to? You need people to CODE grilo [15:04] bobweaver, all I can say is, come to UDS-R or if you can't, join in online for the TV sessions. We will already have input UDS sessions online for everyone to read and think about [15:04] I have not used a stable version of *nix in like 2 years and I just started using * nix 2.5 years ago [15:05] smartboyhw, you can test girlo there is a ppa [15:05] and grilo is awesome [15:05] smartboyhw, well it's a gnome project, so I'd assume you can install it somehow ;) [15:05] Sorry, I'm in ubuntu Studio now:( [15:05] it isn't an internal canonical project [15:06] I can't do it right now.... I'm not in Unity:( [15:06] plz dont think that I am knocking grilo i am not it is awesome. But tools are tools and there made for only certian things. Unless I am wrong and if I am EXPLAIN why not tell me to Shut up and wait [15:06] smartboyhw, 1) VM, 2) Grilo doesn't have anything to do with Unity [15:06] that is all I ask [15:06] Uh oh. Where's the ppa then? [15:06] launchpad :P [15:07] **** it [15:07] smartboyhw, https://launchpad.net/~grilo-team/+archive/ppa [15:07] but I think that there is a newer one [15:07] and git has the bleeding edge [15:07] 1.1 [15:08] bobweaver, you are wrong in thinking that we don't want community participation...we do...why would I still be chatting with you if we didn't want your help when we actually have things more organized for the community to participate in? [15:08] which is installed on this systen and works all but mine that is [15:08] Thanks [15:08] it dont connect well it does then drops [15:08] +1 jhodapp [15:08] jhodapp, plz dont take this like I am yelling or pissed [15:09] bobweaver, it does seem like it, it's not very professional [15:09] it is that I want to understand where the future is how I can help and not over code [15:09] jhodapp, I dont know that I am v.profess [15:10] I'm installing grilo now [15:10] of all things, I know that it is easy to say wait and you have not done that jhodapp but yet you have , I am glad that you are honest with me and again I am not mad or anything I just want to understand [15:10] bobweaver, I understand, you are ahead of the game here, ahead of what myself and team are actively working on ourselves...so to avoid not having to recode things, just sit tight and follow the weekly updates. [15:11] jhodapp, grilo is great previews are great but there needs to be communication that is what I am talkingabout [15:11] I'm having errors in installing the plugins of grilo [15:11] what would you like to know about them? [15:11] I am not ahead of "game" I did not know that there was a game [15:12] game, figure of speech [15:12] for 1 ) myth tv that needs to be put on the plate that is the most imporant thing that I can think of [15:12] or gnome-dvb what ever but how can we make scopes lens ect with out the core fundamentals [15:12] help, I can't get grilo plugins installed [15:13] 2) should I help with building unity if yes just anwser my question about naming new files or if I should just put in case statements [15:14] I def dont think that I am smarter or "better" then any one in fact that is why I come to you with questions [15:14] :) [15:14] bobweaver, for 1) we already have some technology that we're considering for live TV, for 2) you can help with unity as much as you like and the place to do that is with the unity team since desktop Unity and TV Unity are the same thing. [15:15] jhodapp, +1 [15:15] jhodapp, anything to know about renameing and or casestaments [15:15] and thanks for the stright anwser [15:15] bobweaver, I'm not sure what you're referring to with that [15:15] can you be more specific? [15:15] sure [15:15] I'd say we can probably get the MythTV scope 90% of the way there without seeing the DVR lens [15:16] definitely [15:17] say I want to make for the standaloneunity formfactor-tv a newer looking launcher (like the one that was in TV 2d ) now there are 2 ways that I can think about doing this [15:17] I can't install the grilo plugins:((((( [15:17] 1) make casestaments in the dash saying if form_factor = tv do this [15:18] 2) make new .cpp .h and call it SimpleLauncher or StandaloneSimpleLauncher [15:19] bobweaver, the second approach [15:19] I do not know the naming conventions , should they stay the same that they where when there was 2d ? like it was called SimpleLauncher in 2d [15:19] since you're basing it off the demo, yes that's fine [15:19] sweet [15:19] I waited 4 days for that [15:20] that was all I wanted now I can write up a framework and hand off to the unity guys !!! [15:20] sorry, I didn't see you ask that (or so directly) [15:20] jhodapp, then you should check your email [15:20] maybe you missed my last one ? [15:20] :) thanks [15:20] I might have [15:21] that is all that I am after is simple questions like that [15:21] jhodapp, I am sorry if I am brash [15:21] not my intentions [15:22] plz dont take personal [15:22] that's cool man, questions are good [15:22] Er, you said I should go and test grilo, right?? [15:22] I can't install the plugins [15:22] what's the issue smartboyhw? [15:22] I can't install the plugins of grilo [15:22] errors? [15:22] Yep [15:22] did you try installing the plugins? [15:23] I think you and all the crew are top notch there is no way that I think that I am smarter then any one on this planet we all have are down falls but there are things that I can help with [15:23] smartboyhw, pastebin the error output [15:23] sorry, couldn't resist ;P [15:23] thanks bobweaver [15:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171969/ [15:25] smartboyhw, I recommend install grilo-0.2 from source [15:25] and the plugins [15:25] that's the version uTV will be using (for now) [15:25] OK [15:26]