=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:51] rawr [07:31] Morning all [07:31] lo diplo [07:34] good morning everyone. === KillerJim|Away is now known as KillerJim [07:48] Morning christel / brobostigon : Good weekends ? [07:50] morning diplo [08:01] morning all. [08:02] Who wants to rate my rack? http://ratemyspicerack.com/opensourcerer/ [08:03] morning [08:03] lo popey [08:06] morning TheOpenSourcerer and popey [08:06] how's it going brobostigon? [08:07] TheOpenSourcerer: not so hot. and you? [08:08] I'm good thanks. Had a great - and very hot - weekend (West Dean Chilli Fiesta). [08:08] :) [08:09] Good morning peeps :) [08:09] morning bigcalm :) [08:13] http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/blackberry-playbook-tablet-pc-64-gb-129-currys-1294090 cheap tab... [08:19] popey: Yeah I'm trying to weigh it up against a nexus 7 [08:20] Think the Playbook is a dead duck imho [08:21] qnx is as smooth as a baby bottom though. and quite stable. [08:22] so would android be with zero apps [08:23] The thing swaying me towards a N7 is that I have an Android phone with a couple of dozen paid apps that would benefit from being run on a tablet. [08:23] But if I only wanted something to wheel around a ton of media, the Playbook would win hands down. [08:24] I have a customer that bought into the Playbook and regretted it ever since. [08:25] Well you would if you paid full price before BB went postal on it. [08:25] yeah quite. [08:25] Same with the HP TP. [08:25] Same with the HP WebOS stu.... beat me to it :) [08:25] lol [08:25] * TheOpenSourcerer has a TP [08:25] But it only cost £100 [08:26] WebOS is actually quite nice to use but as popey said with no apps it's not terribly useful. [08:26] I got a free Galaxy Tab 10.1 with my S3 and that is used all the time now. [08:27] Blimey, a free tablet with a phone.. not a bad deal [08:27] :) [08:27] Yeah, I had a N900. I'm familiar with the Good-OS—Awful-Support model. [08:28] *have. I have a N900. Not used for anything more than an in-car iPod these days. [08:28] diplo: It was a great deal. the first 1000 customers with CPW for the S3 when it launched. [08:28] How much did you end up paying for the S3 though? [08:28] £36/m [08:29] I'll give you a free datacenter if you pay me a few billion pounds for a laptop. [08:29] i'd like one of the 7" tabs [08:29] * popey hugs ipad [08:29] mattt: The Nexus 7 ? [08:29] popey: Get that filth out of here. [08:30] :) [08:30] diplo: no, samsung :) [08:30] i'd happily take the nexus too tho [08:31] I was going to ask in here later when it got busy what tabs people had [08:31] I don't really understand the allure of the SGTs. They're ancient, expensive and don't use the same screen tech as the phones do. [08:31] I don't have a lot of money and the Nexus 7 is really tempting, but don't know anyone who has one yet [08:32] * brobostigon hugs his nexus7. [08:33] diplo: Plenty of peeps on Twitter. [08:33] * AlanBell wonders how well the playbook plays with Ubuntu for music transfer stuff [08:33] i've already seen more nexus 7s than i've seen ipads [08:34] yeah just people I feel I 'know' a bit better i guess [08:34] diplo: same [08:34] diplo: only thing i'm concerned with is ending up with something inferior (and useless) like a netbook [08:34] maybe the price made it an impulse purcahse for many [08:35] any piece of "gadget" tech will be obsolete in a couple of years. [08:36] or quicker if lots of people on here have it (eee pc, joggler, rasp pi ) [08:37] yeah. [08:37] As long as it works well I'm fine, then it's the decision of 8/16GB :) [08:39] It's just a question of "preparing" yourself for the short lifespan of your shiny new toy. [08:39] yay, sophie has no ballet on saturday so i can go camping earlier in the day [08:40] * TheOpenSourcerer is off to Swansea for a golf and drinking weekend on Fri :-) [08:40] i may go to swanage [08:42] [08:42] hi [08:42] popey: find a place to go camping with the kids [08:43] There is a very nice camp site not too far away - stayed there a few years ago... http://www.theinsidepark.co.uk/ [08:43] Near Blandford [08:43] [08:48] Good morning all! :) [08:48] czajkowski, i am [08:50] gunzip [08:50] ooops [08:52] * popey decompresses all over the channel [08:52] ewww. [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: Up in Mumbles? [09:01] Huh daubers [09:01] ? [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: The golfing thing :) [09:01] The only golf course near swansea I know of is on the Gower [09:02] (very nice area the Gower, and Mumbles. Swansea itself is a bit of a concrete disaster) [09:02] Oh - Dunno. Hang on. Checking email from aorganiser [09:02] daubers: Was there myself a few weeks ago [09:02] Very nice [09:02] TheOpenSourcerer: If you end up in Mumbles, go to Verdi's for ice cream. Best. Ice. Cream. Ever. [09:04] Pennard GC, Gower G.C, Langland Bay GC [09:04] Yep, all on the Gower :) [09:05] Langland Bay is really nice. Normally full of surfers and kite surfers [09:05] Cool. [09:06] * daubers spent many days he should have been in lectures on the various beaches around the Gower [09:15] I have been to the gower. Worst holiday evar. [09:16] not the fault of the place as such (apart from the dire mobile reception) [09:16] heh, they didn't really have mobiles in the 70's you know [09:17] Anyone know of a cloudy™ service that'll slave MySQL as a sort of backup/dr thingy? So I'd set up mysql rep to it and they'd take regular dumps or do whatever's necessary to give the illusion of a robust backup? [09:17] verdi's is certainly the place for ice cream [09:17] Obvious solution is a VPS with MySQL on it, but I'm wondering how little of this can be my problem :) [09:18] BigRedS: I'd say the same thing about VPS, with our customer sites I rsync data nad mysqldump out mysql to a local work server daily [09:18] But haven't set up replication of any sort yet [09:20] BigRedS: I think mysql replication is pull replication, which means they have to be able to connect to the master, not the other way round [09:20] AlanBell: yeah [09:20] but that'd be work-roundable. [09:21] I looked at it a while back, but ended up throwing mysql dump files outbound rather than have an inbound connection [09:21] * BigRedS ponders starting a cloudy mysql backup service based on replicating other people's dbs for them [09:21] * AlanBell ponders same. With Galcier as a back end [09:22] Haha, is that any good? [09:22] I did a bunch of stuff with EC2 about a year ago and the thing that made me leave was the atrocious I/O [09:22] Glacier, Amazon's new store stuff forever service. [09:22] Oh, yeah, that one [09:22] I was thinking about the new fast-I/O thing === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:45] hmm - http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-to-drop-alternate-installer-1676906.html [09:46] Could be interesting. The Alternate is often very useful when trying to install on systems with dodgy graphics or other non-standard h/w that the standard installer fails to recognise correctly. [09:46] interesting move, yes. [09:47] what? That's a dumb idea [09:50] TheOpenSourcerer: but the netboot has the same properties, no ? [09:51] dunno jussi - not used that one. I find the Alternate very useful. Never needed netboot iirc [09:51] I wish they'd just make bigger discs for things. A 60cm diameter, dual-layer BluRay disk would store 1.4TB. [09:51] yeah, I read the thread in question here, and it seems netboot was the way to do it then. [09:51] well if there isn't an alternate, then maybe the standard installer will be improved to work on such systems [09:52] server CD will also work fine, then install ubuntu-desktop [09:52] true that [09:52] or they could just introduce tasksel on the server cd (if it isnt there already and have the desktop as one of those options) [09:53] like the ubuntu studio cd's used to have. [09:53] It's the offline low-end installs (which I gather are fairly frequent in developing countries) that are going to get hit by something like that. [09:54] They'd need to ship a separate repo-on-cd around with the desktop stuff on. Possible but harder than the current install process. [09:54] Oli: yeah, thats true enough [09:55] TheOpenSourcerer, er, no alternate installer means no net install means no more ubuntu in the office === schwukz is now known as schwuk [09:58] Morning all [09:58] davmor2: ! [09:59] davmor2: I see you were credited twice in the Diaspora thankyou list :D [09:59] (I assume it is you and you dont have a double...) [09:59] one of davmor2 is more than enough [10:00] huh, kubuntu etc will still offer D-I [10:00] hehe [10:00] having a problem with NIS/NFS, when trying to chown an existing file on NFS(v4) share to a NIS user:group, it instead changes it to nobody:nobody :/ anyone seen this? [10:00] jussi: I'm not even on it [10:00] oh LOL [10:01] lemme find the email - PM your email addy :D [10:01] having a problem with NIS/NFS, when trying to chown an existing file on NFS(v4) share to a NIS user:group, it instead changes it to nobody:nobody :/ anyone seen this? [10:01] directhex, net installer isn't being ditched [10:01] the 'mini' iso [10:02] jussi: I made a post on g+ thanking everyone who makes oggcamp rock even though I wasn't there, that might of been passed on by members of dis [10:02] popey, so pxeboot with d-i will still be offered? [10:03] we d-i isnt going away [10:03] just the big fat alternate cd [10:04] eugh silly irssi. [10:04] having a problem with NIS/NFS, when trying to chown an existing file on NFS(v4) share to a NIS user:group, it instead changes it to nobody:nobody :/ anyone seen this? [10:06] arsen: does the user and group exist with the same IDs on both systems? [10:06] diplo: exactly. [10:08] well it does via NFS, dwatkins [10:08] er, NIS, sorry. [10:09] arsen: and both systems allow local files to have ownership set like this? [10:09] i.e. they identify correctly [10:10] yeah [10:11] just tested [10:13] hmm, non-matching UID/GID are the only thing I can think of in this situation, arsen - unless you have options set on the filesystem in /etc/exports on the server to specify UID/GID explicitly. [10:13] hm thats what i was thinking about unmatched uid/gid, but as they're both authing successfully through NIS id of assumed that works [10:13] directhex: the mini.iso isn't going away [10:16] arsen: I assume you're checking the files with 'ls -n' [10:16] i.e. to show numerical UID/GID [10:19] when yuo say checking, im reading them from locally and remote via nfs - both share the same numerical id's yeah. [10:21] but the uid matches nobody:nobody on the nfs server [10:26] so the NFS server isn't respecting the UID you're setting. I'd check its options in /etc/exports and the daemon options too. [10:27] yeah strange (it works for 20+ other clients) [10:27] What's different about this one, then? [10:27] :) [10:28] is it definitely joined to NIS properly, for one thing? [10:28] yeah, logged in successfuly with a NIS user, nis works fine on local stuff [10:29] typically when nis isnt configured i find it will list lal files as nobody:nobody, until you set NIS a higher priority in nsswitch.conf [10:29] so following that being fixed, it pulls permissions correctly, its now just a problem when trying to apply permissions [10:29] it shows the correct NIS master as well, I assume. [10:30] yeha. [10:32] I'm stumped. Have you asked on #ubuntu? [10:32] not yet, i will do shortly [10:32] a cup of tea might solve this. [10:32] tea++ [10:32] Did you switch it off then on again? ;) [10:33] yeah a few times :< [10:33] yeah, that's not really a solution to most of my problems either [10:33] i even sporadically restarted random services [10:40] * daubers hates writing documentation [12:03] i enjoy it daubers, but only on fridays [12:23] i need a live iso with KDE4.9 on it - anyone suggest anything? === LjL^ is now known as LjL [15:13] Signup for Coventry Global Jam is up ... http://ugj-cov.eventbrite.co.uk/ === NimChimpsky is now known as UndercoverCat [16:10] gord, did you pay for sublime? [16:10] also, do you have it in your launcher etc? [16:16] popey, nope and don't use it. tried to get in to it but i always go back to vim [16:16] more to do with my lazyness than a comment on the software really [16:19] evenin' all [16:19] hi [16:22] heh === StrontiumCat is now known as `Cat` === NimChimpsky is now known as `Cat` [16:58] How do you like your toast in the morning? [17:10] <`Cat`> burnt beyond recognition [17:11] I like mine with a hug [17:12] Dark or light the worlds alright as long as I get my hug [17:13] <`Cat`> =) [17:13] Burned? [17:14] lol burned [17:14] is that a word now? [17:19] * davmor2 is currently enjoying placebos rendition of running up that hill (Kate Bush classic) [17:21] I like pure morning, good song [17:21] oooooookay [17:22] evening popey [17:23] pip pip === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [17:23] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKkaLM9NcSo it's nice [17:24] popey: it's kinda eerie and a bit edgy and yet mellow at the same time [17:25] she scares me [17:25] popey: Kate Bush or Placebo [17:25] popey: or czajkowski or christel [17:26] popey: if you really want to be scared, http://www.youtube.com/user/wzr0713 [17:29] davmor2: are you saying i am scary? :o [17:32] christel: is he wrong? [17:33] yes :( [17:34] But how can we be sure? [17:34] spend a night with me in a haunted house and you'll see! [17:34] * christel nods [17:35] * MartijnVdS imagines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [18:04] christel: you were one of the only She's that I knew could take a joke that was in hte channel to be honest :) I think your a harmless little kitty cat myself and not at all scary :D But then I've had years of beatings off czajkowski so I would :) [18:05] * christel purrs sweetly [18:09] * davmor2 remembers getting blagged by a cat like this before with claw marks most of the way down my arms :D [18:10] * christel smirks [18:11] :o === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [19:02] * TheOpenS1 is on IRC direct from Thunderbird 15 :-) [19:03] Hmm - seems to chop my username a bit ;-) [19:10] yeah but who needs usernames right [19:13] Hmm, not sure about Thunderbird's implementation. Not enough tweaking options... I want the timeline the other way round... I want to see all the tweet and not a truncated version of it (why is it doing that anyway?) [19:13] Makes me realise just how cool Hotot really is. [19:14] i parsed Hotot as "Hotornot" [19:15] The IRC layout in TB is much better than for Twitter. [19:18] Then I guess it being written in XUL anyone can make a new theme for it... Interesting idea. Not sure how I like having all my conversation stuff in one app yet. Could be good or it be a PITA. === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [19:49] Okay I couldn't stay away you cheer me up to much now bring on the funny [19:53] davmor2: for funny [& sense] - tune into the Ubuntu UK Podcast [19:55] Nah I'm on my phone here there is a limit to what I can do [19:55] davmor2: :( [20:12] ah but you only need one hand to type! [20:22] Yeah the other is obviously holding the phone [20:22] * christel nods [20:23] any more people coming for a beer in Farnham? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ [20:27] Anyway people I'm off this works well :) [20:28] you scared him away! [20:28] yes, I am very scary :( [20:29] yes, i know :( [20:31] i want icecream [20:31] * bigcalm pounces [20:33] like an Essex tiger [20:33] Tiger? [20:33] no, that was a lion wasn't it [20:33] lion [20:33] So I hear [20:33] tiggers pounce [20:33] Well, they bounce [20:33] This much we know [20:33] the wonderful thing about tiggers is tiggers are wonderful things [20:34] BIGCLAM [20:34] They're bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy Fun, fun, fun, fun, FUN! [20:34] tee eye double guh uh [20:34] christel!!!!!!!!one [20:35] but the most wonderful thing about tiggers is i am the only one! :P [20:35] "They're loaded with vim and with vigor" not emacs !!! [20:35] haha [20:35] There's only one christel [20:35] Heh [20:35] (and they love to leap in your laps!) [20:36] Tiggers or christels? [20:36] tiggers silly! [20:36] I always felt sad for Tigger that he was the only one [20:37] christels dont leap :x [20:37] Heh [20:44] christel: welcome home my dear :) [20:48] THANK YOU DARLING THANK YOU [20:48] did you miss me? :D [20:49] Always do. Who else is to keep the sanity around here? [20:52] you're the sweetest [20:53] * bigcalm hugs his beer mug [20:53] Dare I have a 2nd pint on a school night? [20:54] one pint of vodka is probably enough [20:54] AlanBell: aww, one for the road guvnor? [20:55] oh go on then [20:55] Working from home means the morning commute is hell === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [21:06] Watch out for Lego on the floor, bigcalm. [21:08] dwatkins: I haven't played with lego for a good 20 years :( [21:08] Maybe I should do something about that [21:08] bigcalm: ok, plugs then? ;) [21:08] I have a Lego phone holder or four. [21:08] Heh [21:08] I built cases for my Raspberry Pi and Arduino out of Lego, too. [21:12] me wantte: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu-preloaded-keyboard [21:16] Cute [21:17] There's scope for a lot of hardware inside a keyboard case [21:20] I think Commodore made a PC inna keyboard. [21:20] Indeed [21:22] it's been tried several times before [21:22] but nobody buys them because you can't fit any decent hardware in that form factor unless you are willing to pay macbook air prices [21:22] and anyone willing to do that just buys a macbook air [21:23] I connected my IBM Model M to my Macbook this evening, it worked well now I have an adapter cable. [21:23] It's like driving a tank, though. [21:23] hmmm... someone seems unaware of possibilities here... [21:23] Noisy keys of the world unite! [21:24] bigcalm: yeah, I was discussing it with a colleague, he has clearly never been in a room with one [21:24] possibilities, SuperEngineer? [21:24] deliberate [21:24] dwatkins: I ordered a Modle M clone from Unicomp in the States. Hayley hates it, I love it :D [21:25] bigcalm: egg boxes on the walls ;) [21:25] Unicomp is actually the company that made the Model M in the 1st place === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [21:27] I hate model Ms [21:28] I seem to be in the minority, here, but I find them horrible to type on, far too noisy, and painful to use [21:28] Give me a thinkpad keyboard, or at a stretch, a Mac one [21:33] time for bed, said Zebedee ;) [21:33] boiiiinnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg [21:34] I really should book phpnw and a hotel [21:35] I()->love()->chaining()->methods [21:35] () [21:37] just wait till you get 5.4 [21:37] Oh? [21:37] $you->can()->chain()['and']-dereference()->in()[1]; ! [21:39] Accessing returned arrays directly from the method call?! Yay. Something I miss from Perl [21:47] Hazar. My code catches Exceptions sensibly at last [21:48] Tomorrow shall be horribly unproductive as I have to write unit and functional tests [21:49] Actually, I see the rest of the week being like that [21:49] Who thought that testing would be a good idea? [21:51] 2 pints of bitter say that I don't do testing now :D === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away