| netritious | ok that's weird...I install cinnamon and I get gnome-panel? weird. Maybe it's because this system was upgraded from 10.04 or something. :/ | 00:05 |
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| netritious | really wanted to give this family an option besides unity. gnome-shell is ok, but wanted to try cinnamon. </rant> | 00:07 |
| chris4585 | anyone know how to mount a hard drive like it is an external hdd? | 00:33 |
| wrst | netritious: considered kde? | 00:53 |
| wrst | chris4585: what is the difference? | 00:54 |
| chris4585 | external hdds auto mount and show up as removeable devices | 00:54 |
| wrst | can't say i've ever really wnt through actually mounting an external it just sorta always automagically works for me | 00:54 |
| chris4585 | hdds need to be manually mounted | 00:54 |
| chris4585 | I'd like to treat an hdd as if it was removeable | 00:55 |
| wrst | chris4585: on my little server i mount it just like i would any internal drive | 00:55 |
| chris4585 | yeah, but I want the opposite | 00:57 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: umount & mount | 04:25 |
| cyberanger | just can't have system partitions on it | 04:25 |
| netritious | wrst: I thought kde might be a little to resource hungry for an older machine but maybe worth looking into? will keep you posted. :) | 05:46 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, that isn't automated ;) | 05:53 |
| chris4585 | netritious, why not LXDE? its light and simple | 05:54 |
| netritious | chris4585: maybe an option to. I'm still disappointed that cinnamon was a bust on this system. | 05:54 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: how automated do you need it to be? | 05:57 |
| cyberanger | I mean, you gotta tell it to eject yes? | 05:57 |
| chris4585 | lol cyberanger well usually yes | 05:58 |
| * cyberanger likes cinnamon on his rolls, lxde for a gui, and cli for me | 05:59 | |
| chris4585 | but what I meant is I want a hard drive to act and be treated as if it was an external hard drive, which means auto mounting to /media | 05:59 |
| netritious | chris4585: I think fuse has something to do with that | 05:59 |
| cyberanger | set it as such in fstab, then umount /media will work | 06:00 |
| netritious | yeah, that would work | 06:00 |
| netritious | hey cyberanger | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | when you plug it back in, fstab will see it again, and mount it | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | hey netritious | 06:00 |
| chris4585 | ah, well the syntax I have is UUID=13c1e789-ebe8-424b-bd94-91a15f474769 /mediaauto default 0 2 | 06:01 |
| chris4585 | I'll see if it works next reboot | 06:01 |
| cyberanger | the issue is umount /media vs right click & eject | 06:01 |
| cyberanger | but if your using lxde, openbox menu could fix that | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | other options too | 06:02 |
| chris4585 | well I am using openbox, but nautilus hides the menu | 06:02 |
| chris4585 | it just kind of baffles me that there isn't an easy option | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | nautilus hides the openbox menu on the desktop | 06:03 |
| chris4585 | yep | 06:03 |
| cyberanger | hrm, guess that's one more for pcmanfm then | 06:03 |
| netritious | chris4585: the last time I messed around with fstab for a desktop, anything I mounted under /media was given an icon on the desktop in ubuntu... | 06:04 |
| netritious | but we are talking hardy days | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | and what I told you is what nautilus does, with udev instead of a fstab entry | 06:04 |
| chris4585 | netritious, ah thats neat, I hope the same for myself then | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | except that eject bit (there's options for that, but idk what nautilus does) | 06:05 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, I like it that way though, when I right click on the desktop I want to see the nautilus menu, I'm just happy I can scroll on the desktop | 06:05 |
| cyberanger | I follow, but it's that one detail idk how to tell nautilus to eject /media | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | I don't use nautilus anymore | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | netritious: last time I used ubuntu for any length of time was intrepid | 06:07 |
| chris4585 | ah, I'm not so much on ejecting, if I needed I would just open nautilus and eject it through the side pane | 06:07 |
| cyberanger | well, stock desktop (to clarify) | 06:08 |
| chris4585 | also if it does show up on the desktop I'd be very happy | 06:08 |
| chris4585 | I can't handle stock desktop... on any distro | 06:08 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: I've sorta gotten to that point, I'm in terminal too much | 06:09 |
| chris4585 | anyone use sticks with stock desktops are too weak ;) | 06:10 |
| chris4585 | use=who | 06:12 |
| netritious | i wouldn't say weak, but 'less adventurous' is likely accurate ;) | 06:14 |
| cyberanger | so I have openbox & conky, use iceweasel & flash (regret, can't be helped) and otherwies, it's cli here | 06:15 |
| netritious | I'm actually at the the point where the default desktop is fine for me since I don't use it enough to care. | 06:15 |
| netritious | most of my linux installs don't have desktops, and the ones that do are disabled from starting automatically | 06:16 |
| cyberanger | gnome-terminal and ssh out? | 06:16 |
| netritious | why? just ssh out | 06:16 |
| cyberanger | I mean, for your stock desktop, what do you use on it | 06:17 |
| netritious | as little as possible without breaking packages | 06:17 |
| netritious | depends on the distro and what I plan to do with the machine | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | the main reason I tweak mine is to give programs more cpu | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | instead of the UI I don't need a ton of | 06:18 |
| netritious | exactly. browsers come in handy though, which is why sometimes my linux boxen has a desktop | 06:18 |
| netritious | i mean, who wants to use lynx when you have chromium | 06:18 |
| cyberanger | which is why I use openbox and iceweasel | 06:19 |
| netritious | exactly | 06:19 |
| netritious | we're on teh same page I think cyberanger, just go about it different ways | 06:19 |
| cyberanger | any smaller and I'm writing an xorg config for it | 06:19 |
| cyberanger | yep, we do | 06:19 |
| netritious | I use windows ...the only big difference between us I guess lol | 06:19 |
| cyberanger | yeah, I fix it, you use it | 06:20 |
| netritious | heh mine doesn't break | 06:20 |
| netritious | same install three years in Jan | 06:20 |
| cyberanger | and I tweak my UI to fit, you turn off your UI to fit | 06:20 |
| netritious | maybe two years, but I thinkit's three | 06:21 |
| netritious | yes, no UI unless I need UI | 06:21 |
| cyberanger | well, we're talking you and not the bittorrenting college student or the office coupon saver | 06:21 |
| netritious | rather, no GUI unless I need GUI | 06:21 |
| netritious | right...it's a tool just like ubuntu ;) | 06:22 |
| cyberanger | a tool that is like a jackhammer when a chisel would do, IMHO | 06:22 |
| netritious | maybe, but I like dangerous toys XD | 06:23 |
| netritious | besides, it keeps my persepctive right...I know windows is fine, just as linux is fine /IF/ you don't screw around with it to much and/or abuse it | 06:24 |
| netritious | OSX though, is just pure evil </fud> | 06:25 |
| cyberanger | and how you screw around with it, equally important | 06:25 |
| chris4585 | I don't think I break linux anymore, except when I'm careless and delete /lib | 06:25 |
| chris4585 | lol | 06:25 |
| netritious | lol | 06:26 |
| netritious | omg unity is soooooo slow | 06:26 |
| chris4585 | unity isn't really slow on my laptop... before it died, but I don't like using it :< | 06:27 |
| netritious | p4 2.4ghz /512MB DDR, 60GB ATA66 ? (maybe ATA100), and gnome-panel and gnome-shell leave unity in the dust. | 06:27 |
| netritious | on modern hardware unity rocks, in the sense it doesn't take forever to render a friggin' window | 06:28 |
| cyberanger | haha, difference between developer and user strikes again | 06:29 |
| cyberanger | wallet size | 06:29 |
| netritious | Athlon x2 2.7GHz, 4GB DDR2 800MHz, EVGA GeForce 440, 80GB SATA II....unity works awesome on that machine | 06:30 |
| netritious | ^that's my ubuntu box | 06:31 |
| netritious | I'm slowly transitioning, trying to use it everyday but never works out that way heh | 06:32 |
| cyberanger | know how that goes | 06:33 |
| netritious | my debian server that has the same cpu/mem specs but with 2x160GB and 2x500GB SATA II and GeForce 6100 (on board) I am on constantly, just via putty on win | 06:35 |
| cyberanger | I'm lucky to be on a computer every day lately, thanks to the smartphone & work's lunchbreak, I'm on now | 06:35 |
| cyberanger | via a server with screen | 06:35 |
| netritious | that's awesome cyberanger...gotta love smartphones | 06:35 |
| netritious | the ultra portable computer | 06:35 |
| * netritious is still in love after two weeks with samsung captivate glide | 06:36 | |
| netritious | hey I found something out that is kind of interesting... | 06:38 |
| cyberanger | waiting for security to improve thogh | 06:38 |
| netritious | about how ubuntu handles user name anomalies upon creation... | 06:38 |
| cyberanger | and yeah, the captivate can do backflips around your old motorola | 06:39 |
| netritious | indeed cyberanger XD pun intended I bet | 06:39 |
| netritious | but this family I am helping, one of them created user accounts for the fam members... | 06:39 |
| Juzzy | any of u guys in san fran this week? (vmworld) | 06:40 |
| netritious | so for instance say 'Alice' needed a login, so the user name that was requested was 'Alice's Desktop' ... | 06:40 |
| netritious | sure not Juzzy...wish I was :/ | 06:40 |
| Juzzy | ah sux, we could meet up | 06:41 |
| netritious | ubuntu created 'alicesd:alicesd' | 06:41 |
| Juzzy | ive never met any of you guys irl | 06:41 |
| netritious | yeah ...we should try to have another statewide meetup, just a mixer maybe | 06:42 |
| * netritious doesn't get out much | 06:44 | |
| netritious | and when I do it's almost always family oriented | 06:44 |
| netritious | some business, but most of that is via skype, xmpp, and as a last resort, email | 06:45 |
| netritious | so not 'IRL' but at least 'IRT' (in real time) | 06:45 |
| Juzzy | yea | 07:34 |
| wrst | netritious: i would think kde is no more resource hungry than gnome shell, but with kwin disabled its probably less a beast than gnome shell | 10:18 |
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| netritious | gnome-panel is doing the job atm. to be honest, it looks just like gnome-shell to me but this is an upgraded system, not clean install so wonky stuff abounds | 12:33 |
| netritious | ^wrst | 12:34 |
| netritious | speaking of upgrades, malware for linux is real. | 12:34 |
| wrst | i'm not for sure about gnome-panel i knew it was still around and I think that is what ubuntu uses for its classic gnome still? | 12:34 |
| wrst | really netritious, what is it? | 12:34 |
| netritious | i'm trying to remove some right now from a 10.04 machine upgaded to 12.04 | 12:35 |
| netritious | browser hijacker | 12:35 |
| wrst | really what is it netritious? | 12:35 |
| netritious | toolbar kind | 12:35 |
| netritious | refuses to be uninstalled, and when you finally do get it to, it reinstalls itself | 12:35 |
| wrst | ahh toolbars are from satan | 12:36 |
| netritious | yep | 12:37 |
| netritious | but that's what happens when you surf the nastiest part of the net | 12:38 |
| wrst | yeah i mean really people probably deserver what they get if they venture there | 12:38 |
| netritious | without the proper protection anyway lol | 12:38 |
| wrst | ha yeah, i can say i have no antivirus protection on anything at home | 12:39 |
| wrst | but i don't have any windows machines other than a vm that I run and i do keep antivirus on it | 12:39 |
| netritious | not anymore...got dansguardian setup, and going all users behind that and cross my fingers | 12:39 |
| netritious | *and putting | 12:40 |
| wrst | that's a good setup | 12:40 |
| wrst | dansguardian that is | 12:40 |
| netritious | yeah it works ok. I was able to go to google and type 'naked', click on 'Images' and there be naked ppl, even behind dansguardian | 12:41 |
| wrst | its a pain to setup i have used opendns and that seems to work decently | 12:41 |
| netritious | i'm using privoxy...I might need to switch to squid | 12:42 |
| netritious | using it with dansguardian I mean | 12:43 |
| netritious | i don't trust opendns | 12:46 |
| wrst | why do you not trust opendns? | 12:46 |
| netritious | gut instinct | 12:46 |
| wrst | i mean i don't trust any thing like that much but figure you have a reason :) | 12:46 |
| wrst | i fully suspect they are snooping around in my business when i use them | 12:47 |
| netritious | an unknown entity that collects information about my surfing habits... | 12:47 |
| netritious | i mean, there is already my ISP, google, yahoo, ms, etc | 12:47 |
| wrst | well i've already sold my soul to google | 12:48 |
| netritious | the govt too if you want to be paranoid about it (even though it's true according to an AT&T whistle blower) | 12:48 |
| netritious | so I kinda see it like this wrst.... | 12:49 |
| netritious | govt? I voted those people in. | 12:49 |
| wrst | yeah the govt both sides of the political spectrum are snakes | 12:49 |
| netritious | google? i ask them lots and lots of questions. it's a fair trade and inevitable they collect my data. | 12:50 |
| wrst | yeah i am not trading state secrets so i must say i don't worry a lot about it | 12:50 |
| netritious | but opendns? | 12:50 |
| wrst | teh grocery stores bother me more with their tracking than what google does | 12:50 |
| netritious | I don't know anything about them | 12:50 |
| netritious | opendns that is | 12:51 |
| wrst | in theory they could be capturing everything you do, but lots of organizations use opendns | 12:51 |
| netritious | i will give them this: they have the best metrics collection gambit going besides google | 12:52 |
| netritious | well google and your ISP (anyone's ISP) | 12:52 |
| wrst | well my isp probably doesn't know how to use anything like that or what it is | 12:53 |
| netritious | well not exactly...I mean, I'm not talking about hacking here, just log analysis | 12:53 |
| netritious | lol @ your ISP | 12:53 |
| wrst | yeah local phone company... the know phones but when they send soemone out to your house and they utter the " i don't know much about computers " line when they have come to fix your internet you could be in trouble | 12:54 |
| netritious | oh crap, that would bite | 12:55 |
| netritious | back to the topic of opendns, they are just new and I am old and you know how old people don't like new things lol | 12:57 |
| netritious | unless it's shiny of course | 12:58 |
| netritious | ha killed the malware | 13:12 |
| netritious | sudo rm -rfv /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/* | 13:13 |
| netritious | rebuilds the profile on next run | 13:13 |
| netritious | *firefox rebuilds | 13:13 |
| wrst | that makes sense and can only effect stuff on a limited basis also | 13:30 |
| wrst | but opendns i didn't think was all that new | 13:30 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 13:49 |
| xTEMPLARx | opendns has been around for a few years now | 13:49 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: i think netritious may be getting old and senile? :) | 13:49 |
| xTEMPLARx | I resemble that remark! | 13:50 |
| wrst | ha ha me too xTEMPLARx | 13:54 |
| xTEMPLARx | Personally, I think its much too quiet in here. | 18:48 |
| xTEMPLARx | ..and don't give me any of that "some of us have to work" junk. | 18:48 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: some of us have to... oh | 18:54 |
| chris4585 | I don't wake up until 2pm lol | 19:01 |
| xTEMPLARx | =] | 19:04 |
| wrst | chris4585: you are my hero | 19:13 |
| chris4585 | lol | 19:13 |
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| * xTEMPLARx is now known as xTEMPLARx_xTEMPLARx | 20:52 | |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx i don't think that did it? :) | 20:53 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 20:53 |
| * wrst looks at guitars and blames xTEMPLARx for it | 21:16 | |
| jfenn2199 | afternoon all! | 21:50 |
| wrst | hello jfenn2199 | 22:27 |
| netritious | hey jfenn2199 | 23:21 |
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