[00:05] ok that's weird...I install cinnamon and I get gnome-panel? weird. Maybe it's because this system was upgraded from 10.04 or something. :/ [00:07] really wanted to give this family an option besides unity. gnome-shell is ok, but wanted to try cinnamon. [00:33] anyone know how to mount a hard drive like it is an external hdd? [00:53] netritious: considered kde? [00:54] chris4585: what is the difference? [00:54] external hdds auto mount and show up as removeable devices [00:54] can't say i've ever really wnt through actually mounting an external it just sorta always automagically works for me [00:54] hdds need to be manually mounted [00:55] I'd like to treat an hdd as if it was removeable [00:55] chris4585: on my little server i mount it just like i would any internal drive [00:57] yeah, but I want the opposite [04:25] chris4585: umount & mount [04:25] just can't have system partitions on it [05:46] wrst: I thought kde might be a little to resource hungry for an older machine but maybe worth looking into? will keep you posted. :) [05:53] cyberanger, that isn't automated ;) [05:54] netritious, why not LXDE? its light and simple [05:54] chris4585: maybe an option to. I'm still disappointed that cinnamon was a bust on this system. [05:57] chris4585: how automated do you need it to be? [05:57] I mean, you gotta tell it to eject yes? [05:58] lol cyberanger well usually yes [05:59] * cyberanger likes cinnamon on his rolls, lxde for a gui, and cli for me [05:59] but what I meant is I want a hard drive to act and be treated as if it was an external hard drive, which means auto mounting to /media [05:59] chris4585: I think fuse has something to do with that [06:00] set it as such in fstab, then umount /media will work [06:00] yeah, that would work [06:00] hey cyberanger [06:00] when you plug it back in, fstab will see it again, and mount it [06:00] hey netritious [06:01] ah, well the syntax I have is UUID=13c1e789-ebe8-424b-bd94-91a15f474769 /media auto default 0 2 [06:01] I'll see if it works next reboot [06:01] the issue is umount /media vs right click & eject [06:02] but if your using lxde, openbox menu could fix that [06:02] other options too [06:02] well I am using openbox, but nautilus hides the menu [06:02] it just kind of baffles me that there isn't an easy option [06:03] nautilus hides the openbox menu on the desktop [06:03] yep [06:03] hrm, guess that's one more for pcmanfm then [06:04] chris4585: the last time I messed around with fstab for a desktop, anything I mounted under /media was given an icon on the desktop in ubuntu... [06:04] but we are talking hardy days [06:04] and what I told you is what nautilus does, with udev instead of a fstab entry [06:04] netritious, ah thats neat, I hope the same for myself then [06:05] except that eject bit (there's options for that, but idk what nautilus does) [06:05] cyberanger, I like it that way though, when I right click on the desktop I want to see the nautilus menu, I'm just happy I can scroll on the desktop [06:06] I follow, but it's that one detail idk how to tell nautilus to eject /media [06:06] I don't use nautilus anymore [06:07] netritious: last time I used ubuntu for any length of time was intrepid [06:07] ah, I'm not so much on ejecting, if I needed I would just open nautilus and eject it through the side pane [06:08] well, stock desktop (to clarify) [06:08] also if it does show up on the desktop I'd be very happy [06:08] I can't handle stock desktop... on any distro [06:09] chris4585: I've sorta gotten to that point, I'm in terminal too much [06:10] anyone use sticks with stock desktops are too weak ;) [06:12] use=who [06:14] i wouldn't say weak, but 'less adventurous' is likely accurate ;) [06:15] so I have openbox & conky, use iceweasel & flash (regret, can't be helped) and otherwies, it's cli here [06:15] I'm actually at the the point where the default desktop is fine for me since I don't use it enough to care. [06:16] most of my linux installs don't have desktops, and the ones that do are disabled from starting automatically [06:16] gnome-terminal and ssh out? [06:16] why? just ssh out [06:17] I mean, for your stock desktop, what do you use on it [06:17] as little as possible without breaking packages [06:17] depends on the distro and what I plan to do with the machine [06:17] the main reason I tweak mine is to give programs more cpu [06:18] instead of the UI I don't need a ton of [06:18] exactly. browsers come in handy though, which is why sometimes my linux boxen has a desktop [06:18] i mean, who wants to use lynx when you have chromium [06:19] which is why I use openbox and iceweasel [06:19] exactly [06:19] we're on teh same page I think cyberanger, just go about it different ways [06:19] any smaller and I'm writing an xorg config for it [06:19] yep, we do [06:19] I use windows ...the only big difference between us I guess lol [06:20] yeah, I fix it, you use it [06:20] heh mine doesn't break [06:20] same install three years in Jan [06:20] and I tweak my UI to fit, you turn off your UI to fit [06:21] maybe two years, but I thinkit's three [06:21] yes, no UI unless I need UI [06:21] well, we're talking you and not the bittorrenting college student or the office coupon saver [06:21] rather, no GUI unless I need GUI [06:22] right...it's a tool just like ubuntu ;) [06:22] a tool that is like a jackhammer when a chisel would do, IMHO [06:23] maybe, but I like dangerous toys XD [06:24] besides, it keeps my persepctive right...I know windows is fine, just as linux is fine /IF/ you don't screw around with it to much and/or abuse it [06:25] OSX though, is just pure evil [06:25] and how you screw around with it, equally important [06:25] I don't think I break linux anymore, except when I'm careless and delete /lib [06:25] lol [06:26] lol [06:26] omg unity is soooooo slow [06:27] unity isn't really slow on my laptop... before it died, but I don't like using it :< [06:27] p4 2.4ghz /512MB DDR, 60GB ATA66 ? (maybe ATA100), and gnome-panel and gnome-shell leave unity in the dust. [06:28] on modern hardware unity rocks, in the sense it doesn't take forever to render a friggin' window [06:29] haha, difference between developer and user strikes again [06:29] wallet size [06:30] Athlon x2 2.7GHz, 4GB DDR2 800MHz, EVGA GeForce 440, 80GB SATA II....unity works awesome on that machine [06:31] ^that's my ubuntu box [06:32] I'm slowly transitioning, trying to use it everyday but never works out that way heh [06:33] know how that goes [06:35] my debian server that has the same cpu/mem specs but with 2x160GB and 2x500GB SATA II and GeForce 6100 (on board) I am on constantly, just via putty on win [06:35] I'm lucky to be on a computer every day lately, thanks to the smartphone & work's lunchbreak, I'm on now [06:35] via a server with screen [06:35] that's awesome cyberanger...gotta love smartphones [06:35] the ultra portable computer [06:36] * netritious is still in love after two weeks with samsung captivate glide [06:38] hey I found something out that is kind of interesting... [06:38] waiting for security to improve thogh [06:38] about how ubuntu handles user name anomalies upon creation... [06:39] and yeah, the captivate can do backflips around your old motorola [06:39] indeed cyberanger XD pun intended I bet [06:39] but this family I am helping, one of them created user accounts for the fam members... [06:40] any of u guys in san fran this week? (vmworld) [06:40] so for instance say 'Alice' needed a login, so the user name that was requested was 'Alice's Desktop' ... [06:40] sure not Juzzy...wish I was :/ [06:41] ah sux, we could meet up [06:41] ubuntu created 'alicesd:alicesd' [06:41] ive never met any of you guys irl [06:42] yeah ...we should try to have another statewide meetup, just a mixer maybe [06:44] * netritious doesn't get out much [06:44] and when I do it's almost always family oriented [06:45] some business, but most of that is via skype, xmpp, and as a last resort, email [06:45] so not 'IRL' but at least 'IRT' (in real time) [07:34] yea [10:18] netritious: i would think kde is no more resource hungry than gnome shell, but with kwin disabled its probably less a beast than gnome shell === Svpernov109 is now known as Svpernova09 [12:33] gnome-panel is doing the job atm. to be honest, it looks just like gnome-shell to me but this is an upgraded system, not clean install so wonky stuff abounds [12:34] ^wrst [12:34] speaking of upgrades, malware for linux is real. [12:34] i'm not for sure about gnome-panel i knew it was still around and I think that is what ubuntu uses for its classic gnome still? [12:34] really netritious, what is it? [12:35] i'm trying to remove some right now from a 10.04 machine upgaded to 12.04 [12:35] browser hijacker [12:35] really what is it netritious? [12:35] toolbar kind [12:35] refuses to be uninstalled, and when you finally do get it to, it reinstalls itself [12:36] ahh toolbars are from satan [12:37] yep [12:38] but that's what happens when you surf the nastiest part of the net [12:38] yeah i mean really people probably deserver what they get if they venture there [12:38] without the proper protection anyway lol [12:39] ha yeah, i can say i have no antivirus protection on anything at home [12:39] but i don't have any windows machines other than a vm that I run and i do keep antivirus on it [12:39] not anymore...got dansguardian setup, and going all users behind that and cross my fingers [12:40] *and putting [12:40] that's a good setup [12:40] dansguardian that is [12:41] yeah it works ok. I was able to go to google and type 'naked', click on 'Images' and there be naked ppl, even behind dansguardian [12:41] its a pain to setup i have used opendns and that seems to work decently [12:42] i'm using privoxy...I might need to switch to squid [12:43] using it with dansguardian I mean [12:46] i don't trust opendns [12:46] why do you not trust opendns? [12:46] gut instinct [12:46] i mean i don't trust any thing like that much but figure you have a reason :) [12:47] i fully suspect they are snooping around in my business when i use them [12:47] an unknown entity that collects information about my surfing habits... [12:47] i mean, there is already my ISP, google, yahoo, ms, etc [12:48] well i've already sold my soul to google [12:48] the govt too if you want to be paranoid about it (even though it's true according to an AT&T whistle blower) [12:49] so I kinda see it like this wrst.... [12:49] govt? I voted those people in. [12:49] yeah the govt both sides of the political spectrum are snakes [12:50] google? i ask them lots and lots of questions. it's a fair trade and inevitable they collect my data. [12:50] yeah i am not trading state secrets so i must say i don't worry a lot about it [12:50] but opendns? [12:50] teh grocery stores bother me more with their tracking than what google does [12:50] I don't know anything about them [12:51] opendns that is [12:51] in theory they could be capturing everything you do, but lots of organizations use opendns [12:52] i will give them this: they have the best metrics collection gambit going besides google [12:52] well google and your ISP (anyone's ISP) [12:53] well my isp probably doesn't know how to use anything like that or what it is [12:53] well not exactly...I mean, I'm not talking about hacking here, just log analysis [12:53] lol @ your ISP [12:54] yeah local phone company... the know phones but when they send soemone out to your house and they utter the " i don't know much about computers " line when they have come to fix your internet you could be in trouble [12:55] oh crap, that would bite [12:57] back to the topic of opendns, they are just new and I am old and you know how old people don't like new things lol [12:58] unless it's shiny of course [13:12] ha killed the malware [13:13] sudo rm -rfv /home//.mozilla/firefox/* [13:13] rebuilds the profile on next run [13:13] *firefox rebuilds [13:30] that makes sense and can only effect stuff on a limited basis also [13:30] but opendns i didn't think was all that new [13:49] :D [13:49] opendns has been around for a few years now [13:49] xTEMPLARx: i think netritious may be getting old and senile? :) [13:50] I resemble that remark! [13:54] ha ha me too xTEMPLARx [18:48] Personally, I think its much too quiet in here. [18:48] ..and don't give me any of that "some of us have to work" junk. [18:54] xTEMPLARx: some of us have to... oh [19:01] I don't wake up until 2pm lol [19:04] =] [19:13] chris4585: you are my hero [19:13] lol === wrst_ is now known as wrst [20:52] * xTEMPLARx is now known as xTEMPLARx_xTEMPLARx [20:53] xTEMPLARx i don't think that did it? :) [20:53] :D [21:16] * wrst looks at guitars and blames xTEMPLARx for it [21:50] afternoon all! [22:27] hello jfenn2199 [23:21] hey jfenn2199