[00:05] <netritious> ok that's weird...I install cinnamon and I get gnome-panel? weird. Maybe it's because this system was upgraded from 10.04 or something. :/
[00:07] <netritious> really wanted to give this family an option besides unity. gnome-shell is ok, but wanted to try cinnamon. </rant>
[00:33] <chris4585> anyone know how to mount a hard drive like it is an external hdd?
[00:53] <wrst> netritious: considered kde?
[00:54] <wrst> chris4585: what is the difference?
[00:54] <chris4585> external hdds auto mount and show up as removeable devices
[00:54] <wrst> can't say i've ever really wnt through actually mounting an external it just sorta always automagically works for me
[00:54] <chris4585> hdds need to be manually mounted
[00:55] <chris4585> I'd like to treat an hdd as if it was removeable
[00:55] <wrst> chris4585: on my little server i mount it just like i would any internal drive
[00:57] <chris4585> yeah, but I want the opposite
[04:25] <cyberanger> chris4585: umount & mount
[04:25] <cyberanger> just can't have system partitions on it
[05:46] <netritious> wrst: I thought kde might be a little to resource hungry for an older machine but maybe worth looking into? will keep you posted. :)
[05:53] <chris4585> cyberanger, that isn't automated ;)
[05:54] <chris4585> netritious, why not LXDE? its light and simple
[05:54] <netritious> chris4585: maybe an option to. I'm still disappointed that cinnamon was a bust on this system.
[05:57] <cyberanger> chris4585: how automated do you need it to be?
[05:57] <cyberanger> I mean, you gotta tell it to eject yes?
[05:58] <chris4585> lol cyberanger well usually yes
[05:59]  * cyberanger likes cinnamon on his rolls, lxde for a gui, and cli for me
[05:59] <chris4585> but what I meant is I want a hard drive to act and be treated as if it was an external hard drive, which means auto mounting to /media
[05:59] <netritious> chris4585: I think fuse has something to do with that
[06:00] <cyberanger> set it as such in fstab, then umount /media will work
[06:00] <netritious> yeah, that would work
[06:00] <netritious> hey cyberanger
[06:00] <cyberanger> when you plug it back in, fstab will see it again, and mount it
[06:00] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[06:01] <chris4585> ah, well the syntax I have is UUID=13c1e789-ebe8-424b-bd94-91a15f474769 /media	auto default 0 2
[06:01] <chris4585> I'll see if it works next reboot
[06:01] <cyberanger> the issue is umount /media vs right click & eject
[06:02] <cyberanger> but if your using lxde, openbox menu could fix that
[06:02] <cyberanger> other options too
[06:02] <chris4585> well I am using openbox, but nautilus hides the menu
[06:02] <chris4585> it just kind of baffles me that there isn't an easy option
[06:03] <cyberanger> nautilus hides the openbox menu on the desktop
[06:03] <chris4585> yep
[06:03] <cyberanger> hrm, guess that's one more for pcmanfm then
[06:04] <netritious> chris4585: the last time I messed around with fstab for a desktop, anything I mounted under /media was given an icon on the desktop in ubuntu...
[06:04] <netritious> but we are talking hardy days
[06:04] <cyberanger> and what I told you is what nautilus does, with udev instead of a fstab entry
[06:04] <chris4585> netritious, ah thats neat, I hope the same for myself then
[06:05] <cyberanger> except that eject bit (there's options for that, but idk what nautilus does)
[06:05] <chris4585> cyberanger, I like it that way though, when I right click on the desktop I want to see the nautilus menu, I'm just happy I can scroll on the desktop
[06:06] <cyberanger> I follow, but it's that one detail idk how to tell nautilus to eject /media
[06:06] <cyberanger> I don't use nautilus anymore
[06:07] <cyberanger> netritious: last time I used ubuntu for any length of time was intrepid
[06:07] <chris4585> ah, I'm not so much on ejecting, if I needed I would just open nautilus and eject it through the side pane
[06:08] <cyberanger> well, stock desktop (to clarify)
[06:08] <chris4585> also if it does show up on the desktop I'd be very happy
[06:08] <chris4585> I can't handle stock desktop... on any distro
[06:09] <cyberanger> chris4585: I've sorta gotten to that point, I'm in terminal too much
[06:10] <chris4585> anyone use sticks with stock desktops are too weak ;)
[06:12] <chris4585> use=who
[06:14] <netritious> i wouldn't say weak, but 'less adventurous' is likely accurate ;)
[06:15] <cyberanger> so I have openbox & conky, use iceweasel & flash (regret, can't be helped) and otherwies, it's cli here
[06:15] <netritious> I'm actually at the the point where the default desktop is fine for me since I don't use it enough to care.
[06:16] <netritious> most of my linux installs don't have desktops, and the ones that do are disabled from starting automatically
[06:16] <cyberanger> gnome-terminal and ssh out?
[06:16] <netritious> why? just ssh out
[06:17] <cyberanger> I mean, for your stock desktop, what do you use on it
[06:17] <netritious> as little as possible without breaking packages
[06:17] <netritious> depends on the distro and what I plan to do with the machine
[06:17] <cyberanger> the main reason I tweak mine is to give programs more cpu
[06:18] <cyberanger> instead of the UI I don't need a ton of
[06:18] <netritious> exactly. browsers come in handy though, which is why sometimes my linux boxen has a desktop
[06:18] <netritious> i mean, who wants to use lynx when you have chromium
[06:19] <cyberanger> which is why I use openbox and iceweasel
[06:19] <netritious> exactly
[06:19] <netritious> we're on teh same page I think cyberanger, just go about it different ways
[06:19] <cyberanger> any smaller and I'm writing an xorg config for it
[06:19] <cyberanger> yep, we do
[06:19] <netritious> I use windows ...the only big difference between us I guess lol
[06:20] <cyberanger> yeah, I fix it, you use it
[06:20] <netritious> heh mine doesn't break
[06:20] <netritious> same install three years in Jan
[06:20] <cyberanger> and I tweak my UI to fit, you turn off your UI to fit
[06:21] <netritious> maybe two years, but I thinkit's three
[06:21] <netritious> yes, no UI unless I need UI
[06:21] <cyberanger> well, we're talking you and not the bittorrenting college student or the office coupon saver
[06:21] <netritious> rather, no GUI unless I need GUI
[06:22] <netritious> right...it's a tool just like ubuntu ;)
[06:22] <cyberanger> a tool that is like a jackhammer when a chisel would do, IMHO
[06:23] <netritious> maybe, but I like dangerous toys XD
[06:24] <netritious> besides, it keeps my persepctive right...I know windows is fine, just as linux is fine /IF/ you don't screw around with it to much and/or abuse it
[06:25] <netritious> OSX though, is just pure evil </fud>
[06:25] <cyberanger> and how you screw around with it, equally important
[06:25] <chris4585> I don't think I break linux anymore, except when I'm careless and delete /lib
[06:25] <chris4585> lol
[06:26] <netritious> lol
[06:26] <netritious> omg unity is soooooo slow
[06:27] <chris4585> unity isn't really slow on my laptop... before it died, but I don't like using it :<
[06:27] <netritious> p4 2.4ghz /512MB DDR, 60GB ATA66 ? (maybe ATA100), and gnome-panel and gnome-shell leave unity in the dust.
[06:28] <netritious> on modern hardware unity rocks, in the sense it doesn't take forever to render a friggin' window
[06:29] <cyberanger> haha, difference between developer and user strikes again
[06:29] <cyberanger> wallet size
[06:30] <netritious> Athlon x2 2.7GHz, 4GB DDR2 800MHz, EVGA GeForce 440, 80GB SATA II....unity works awesome on that machine
[06:31] <netritious> ^that's my ubuntu box
[06:32] <netritious> I'm slowly transitioning, trying to use it everyday but never works out that way heh
[06:33] <cyberanger> know how that goes
[06:35] <netritious> my debian server that has the same cpu/mem specs but with 2x160GB and 2x500GB SATA II and GeForce 6100 (on board) I am on constantly, just via putty on win
[06:35] <cyberanger> I'm lucky to be on a computer every day lately, thanks to the smartphone & work's lunchbreak, I'm on now
[06:35] <cyberanger> via a server with screen
[06:35] <netritious> that's awesome cyberanger...gotta love smartphones
[06:35] <netritious> the ultra portable computer
[06:36]  * netritious is still in love after two weeks with samsung captivate glide
[06:38] <netritious> hey I found something out that is kind of interesting...
[06:38] <cyberanger> waiting for security to improve thogh
[06:38] <netritious> about how ubuntu handles user name anomalies upon creation...
[06:39] <cyberanger> and yeah, the captivate can do backflips around your old motorola
[06:39] <netritious> indeed cyberanger XD pun intended I bet
[06:39] <netritious> but this family I am helping, one of them created user accounts for the fam members...
[06:40] <Juzzy> any of u guys in san fran this week? (vmworld)
[06:40] <netritious> so for instance say 'Alice' needed a login, so the user name that was requested was 'Alice's Desktop' ...
[06:40] <netritious> sure not Juzzy...wish I was :/
[06:41] <Juzzy> ah sux, we could meet up
[06:41] <netritious> ubuntu created 'alicesd:alicesd'
[06:41] <Juzzy> ive never met any of you guys irl
[06:42] <netritious> yeah ...we should try to have another statewide meetup, just a mixer maybe
[06:44]  * netritious doesn't get out much
[06:44] <netritious> and when I do it's almost always family oriented
[06:45] <netritious> some business, but most of that is via skype, xmpp, and as a last resort, email
[06:45] <netritious> so not 'IRL' but at least 'IRT' (in real time)
[07:34] <Juzzy> yea
[10:18] <wrst> netritious: i would think kde is no more resource hungry than gnome shell, but with kwin disabled its probably less a beast than gnome shell
[12:33] <netritious> gnome-panel is doing the  job atm. to be honest, it looks just like gnome-shell to me but this is an upgraded system, not clean install so wonky stuff abounds
[12:34] <netritious> ^wrst
[12:34] <netritious> speaking of upgrades, malware for linux is real.
[12:34] <wrst> i'm not for sure about gnome-panel i knew it was still around and I think that is what ubuntu uses for its classic gnome still?
[12:34] <wrst> really netritious, what is it?
[12:35] <netritious> i'm trying to remove some right now from a 10.04 machine upgaded to 12.04
[12:35] <netritious> browser hijacker
[12:35] <wrst> really what is it netritious?
[12:35] <netritious> toolbar kind
[12:35] <netritious> refuses to be uninstalled, and when you finally do get it to, it reinstalls itself
[12:36] <wrst> ahh toolbars are from satan
[12:37] <netritious> yep
[12:38] <netritious> but that's what happens when you surf the nastiest part of the net
[12:38] <wrst> yeah i mean really people probably deserver what they get if they venture there
[12:38] <netritious> without the proper protection anyway lol
[12:39] <wrst> ha yeah, i can say i have no antivirus protection on anything at home
[12:39] <wrst> but i don't have any windows machines other than a vm that I run and i do keep antivirus on it
[12:39] <netritious> not anymore...got dansguardian setup, and going all users behind that and cross my fingers
[12:40] <netritious> *and putting
[12:40] <wrst> that's a good setup
[12:40] <wrst> dansguardian that is
[12:41] <netritious> yeah it works ok. I was able to go to google and type 'naked', click on 'Images' and there be naked ppl, even behind dansguardian
[12:41] <wrst> its a pain to setup i have used opendns and that seems to work decently
[12:42] <netritious> i'm using privoxy...I might need to switch to squid
[12:43] <netritious> using it with dansguardian I mean
[12:46] <netritious> i don't trust opendns
[12:46] <wrst> why do you not trust opendns?
[12:46] <netritious> gut instinct
[12:46] <wrst> i mean i don't trust any thing like that much but figure you have a reason :)
[12:47] <wrst> i fully suspect they are snooping around in my business when i use them
[12:47] <netritious> an unknown entity that collects information about my surfing habits...
[12:47] <netritious> i mean, there is already my ISP, google, yahoo, ms, etc
[12:48] <wrst> well i've already sold my soul to google
[12:48] <netritious> the govt too if you want to be paranoid about it (even though it's true according to an AT&T whistle blower)
[12:49] <netritious> so I kinda see it like this wrst....
[12:49] <netritious> govt? I voted those people in.
[12:49] <wrst> yeah the govt both sides of the political spectrum are snakes
[12:50] <netritious> google? i ask them lots and lots of questions. it's a fair trade and inevitable they collect my data.
[12:50] <wrst> yeah i am not trading state secrets so i must say i don't worry a lot about it
[12:50] <netritious> but opendns?
[12:50] <wrst> teh grocery stores bother me more with their tracking than what google does
[12:50] <netritious> I don't know anything about them
[12:51] <netritious> opendns that is
[12:51] <wrst> in theory they could be capturing everything you do, but lots of organizations use opendns
[12:52] <netritious> i will give them this: they have the best metrics collection gambit going besides google
[12:52] <netritious> well google and your ISP (anyone's ISP)
[12:53] <wrst> well my isp probably doesn't know how to use anything like that or what it is
[12:53] <netritious> well not exactly...I mean, I'm not talking about hacking here, just log analysis
[12:53] <netritious> lol @ your ISP
[12:54] <wrst> yeah local phone company... the know phones but when they send soemone out to your house and they utter the " i don't know much about computers " line when they have come to fix your internet you could be in trouble
[12:55] <netritious> oh crap, that would bite
[12:57] <netritious> back to the topic of opendns, they are just new and I am old and you know how old people don't like new things lol
[12:58] <netritious> unless it's shiny of course
[13:12] <netritious> ha killed the malware
[13:13] <netritious> sudo rm -rfv /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/*
[13:13] <netritious> rebuilds the profile on next run
[13:13] <netritious> *firefox rebuilds
[13:30] <wrst> that makes sense and can only effect stuff on a limited basis also
[13:30] <wrst> but opendns i didn't think was all that new
[13:49] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[13:49] <xTEMPLARx> opendns has been around for a few years now
[13:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think netritious may be getting old and senile? :)
[13:50] <xTEMPLARx> I resemble that remark!
[13:54] <wrst> ha ha me too xTEMPLARx
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> Personally, I think its much too quiet in here.
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> ..and don't give me any of that "some of us have to work" junk.
[18:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: some of us have to... oh
[19:01] <chris4585> I don't wake up until 2pm lol
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[19:13] <wrst> chris4585: you are my hero
[19:13] <chris4585> lol
[20:52]  * xTEMPLARx is now known as xTEMPLARx_xTEMPLARx
[20:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx i don't think that did it? :)
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[21:16]  * wrst looks at guitars and blames xTEMPLARx for it
[21:50] <jfenn2199> afternoon all!
[22:27] <wrst> hello jfenn2199
[23:21] <netritious> hey jfenn2199