[00:25] <bryceh> tjaalton, looks like we got a slew of xserver bug reports about 7 days ago - http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/ubuntu-x-swat/Reports/totals-quantal-workqueue.svg
[00:25] <bryceh> tjaalton, probably those SIGABRT bugs I'm guessing, somehow related to the X stack update?
[01:11] <RAOF> bryceh: Those SIGABRT bugs are likely related to dropping the rethrow-signals patch and lightdm passing -core instead.
[01:13] <RAOF> bryceh: ie: we'll now be getting more apport crashes than before (because -core is more reliable at dumping core) but they'll be marked as SIGABRT because that's how -core dies. If that turns out to be annoying we can post-process the dumps in the xorg-server apport hook to extract the right signal.
[01:15] <bryceh> RAOF, makes sense, although isn't it odd there was a sudden jump over the period of 1-2 days then it went back to the previous rate
[01:16] <RAOF> Yeah, that is a bit odd.
[01:16] <RAOF> ...actually, not *that* odd.
[01:16] <RAOF> Because whoopsie's duplicate detection would be kicking in, and wouldn't be letting people file new bugs.
[01:17] <bryceh> skimming traces, it looks like we're getting good stack traces.  I'm curious why the titles aren't being filled in though.  Would be more helpful if they specified the symbol
[01:19] <bryceh> hmm, reasonable hypothesis re whoopsie.  I don't think it was noticing X crashes previously though; if it is now then I can cross off a work item!  :-)
[01:21] <bryceh> interesting; we have a topic page for xorg.  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-desktop-xorg.html
[01:21] <RAOF> So, to extract that, we'd want to post-process the backtrace and extract the signo out of OsSigHandler; that's got the right signal.
[01:22] <RAOF> Hm. Actually, so does Xorg.0.log; the log should say ?Server crashed with signal 11 (SIGSEGV)?
[01:22] <RAOF> That might be more reliable.
[01:23] <bryceh> hrm, errors.ubuntu.com seems not to be loading the problems list
[01:27] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah agreed those should be improved so the titles are clearer
[01:27] <RAOF> In my experience errors.ubuntu.com takes *ages* to load.
[01:28] <RAOF> Probably because it's scraping launchpad.
[01:30] <bryceh> aw well
[01:35] <bryceh> here we go
[01:35] <bryceh> ok one bug against xserver-xorg-core this month, ranked at 28:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1033533
[01:37] <bryceh> RAOF, so I'll take that as confirmation of that hypothesis
[01:38] <bryceh> src=0x0
[01:39] <RAOF> Yeah, that's not going to end well :)
[01:40] <RAOF> Also, hurray! Working backtraces from xserver bugs!
[01:43] <bryceh> indeed :-)
[01:43] <bryceh> if I had time I could even totally triage all these
[01:44] <bryceh> bet that one is an easy fix though
[03:32] <tjaalton> bryceh: some of them seem to be due to nouveau dri/ddx
[05:11] <bjsnider> ok, so there's going to be a fourth legacy blob series, the 304
[05:12] <bjsnider> so there will need to be a special package, perhaps nvidia-304 or something, created for that
[05:16] <tjaalton> fourth yes, but -71 isn't alive anymore
[09:03] <seb128> can the xorg-edger nvidia's binary drivers be installed on a quantal stack?
[09:37] <shadeslayer> hi, the last X upgrade on quantal has rendered my X useless, xorg.log says it can't find any device
[09:37] <tjaalton> log please
[09:38] <tjaalton> seb128_: probably
[09:38] <seb128_> tjaalton, thanks
[09:38] <shadeslayer> yeah, I will need a couple of minutes :)
[09:39] <tjaalton> pastebinit /var/log/..
[09:41] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/540530
[09:44] <tjaalton> a hybrid laptop?
[09:44] <tjaalton> pastebin dmesg too
[09:44] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:44] <shadeslayer> sec
[09:45] <shadeslayer> paste.kde.org/540536
[09:46] <tjaalton> macbook..
[09:47] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, it worked just fine till about a hour ago
[09:47] <tjaalton> and why the heck do you have nomodeset on the kernel cmdline?
[09:47] <shadeslayer> won't boot without it
[09:47] <tjaalton> well that dmesg is useless
[09:48] <shadeslayer> uh ok
[09:48] <tjaalton> what do you mean "until an hour ago"? mesa is the only update since couple of weeks
[09:50] <shadeslayer> lemme pastebin last couple of lines from apt logs
[09:51] <shadeslayer> paste.kde.org/540542
[09:53] <tjaalton> do you have the previous xserver-xorg-core in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> nope
[09:54] <shadeslayer> but I can download stuff since I have my phone tethered
[09:54] <shadeslayer> also have that package installed already
[09:55] <tjaalton> it shouldn't matter, there was an update to an arm-specific patch
[09:56] <tjaalton> mesa got an update to fix an intel bug
[09:56] <tjaalton> so when was your previous reboot before the upgrade?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> 4 days ago
[09:57] <tjaalton> and didn't upgrade anything between?
[09:58] <shadeslayer> I most likely did
[09:58] <shadeslayer> checking
[09:59] <tjaalton> do you get the plymouth splash?
[09:59] <shadeslayer> mesa upgrade 2 days ago, that's from 8.0.4 to 9.0
[10:00] <shadeslayer> uh, was out of the room for that part, lemme reboot and check
[10:00] <tjaalton> without nomodeset
[10:01] <shadeslayer> I am certain I won't be able to boot without it
[10:01] <shadeslayer> yep, only a black screen
[10:01] <tjaalton> so kernel is broken somehow
[10:02] <shadeslayer> hm ...
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I have always booted with nomodeset
[10:03] <tjaalton> ha
[10:03] <tjaalton> so no regression
[10:03] <shadeslayer> since without it it never works
[10:04] <tjaalton> ok, so probably your X got upgraded within the four days, meaning now your ati doesn't support non-kms anymore
[10:04] <shadeslayer> and with nomodeset I get Plymouth
[10:04] <shadeslayer> oh 
[10:04] <tjaalton> dunno why it doesn't fall back on vesa then
[10:05] <tjaalton> well, tries and fails
[10:06] <shadeslayer> ok, any suggestions on what I can do ?
[10:06] <tjaalton> nope..
[10:07] <shadeslayer> blergh
[10:07] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: thanks anyway
[10:07] <tjaalton> try a newer kernel?
[10:07] <tjaalton> 3.6-rcx
[10:07] <tjaalton> without nomodeset
[10:07] <shadeslayer> hm ...
[10:08] <shadeslayer> looking at the mainline debs 
[10:22] <shadeslayer> ok, Plymouth came up with 3.6 and not passing nomodeset
[10:22] <shadeslayer> wat
[10:22] <shadeslayer> a error occured while mounting boot
[15:44] <tjaalton> uh, how to install the backport stack on precise? enable the ppa, then what?
[15:48] <tjaalton> thought there was one package that would pull it all, including the kernel
[18:05] <ricotz> tseliot, hi
[18:06] <ricotz> tseliot, please drop the 3.6 buildfix patch which isnt needed anymore and break the build
[18:07] <ricotz> also please lower xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.11.99.901) to (>= 2:1.10.99.901) to make the lts-backport easier
[18:42] <tseliot> ricotz: I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks
[20:45] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt_, bryceh: Regarding the vmwgfx bug where it didn't start, I think the patches Dave Airlie posted will fix those.
[21:11] <bryceh> Prf_Jakob, thanks
[22:27] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: if you're awake, using 3.6 rc3 without nomodeset gives me a orange screen ... not sure how else to describe it
[22:37] <bryceh> shadeslayer, check dmesg?
[22:38] <shadeslayer> bryceh: uh ... I kind of hacked my way around stuff and got everything working
[22:38] <shadeslayer> using nomodeset, and specifying X to use fbdev in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[22:39] <shadeslayer> and I can't post dmesg because I can't switch to a tty when not using nomodeset
[22:40] <bjsnider> an orange screen
[22:40] <bjsnider> don't think i've heard of that before
[22:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:41] <shadeslayer> I've never seen one before :P
[22:41] <bjsnider> i guess ubuntu now has the orange screen o' death
[22:41] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:41] <shadeslayer> lemme reboot without nomodeset and no xorg.conf and try to switch to a tty
[22:43] <shadeslayer> new color this time
[22:44] <bjsnider> purple would make sense
[22:44] <shadeslayer> http://db.tt/b8KiiYRu 
[22:45] <shadeslayer> not exactly purple :P
[22:45] <bjsnider> you should be able to get to a tty from that
[22:46] <shadeslayer> nope
[22:47] <shadeslayer> no amount of ctrl-alt-f1 gives me a tty
[22:47] <bjsnider> f1-f6
[22:47] <shadeslayer> tried all of them
[22:47] <bjsnider> if you touch the lock keys do the lights on the keyboard light up?
[22:48] <shadeslayer> sure
[22:48] <shadeslayer> on a external keyboard 
[22:48] <bjsnider> the keyboad is working then
[22:49] <shadeslayer> caps lock lights up on the onboard keyboard, so that works as well
[23:01] <shadeslayer> bjsnider: why the aversion to nomodeset ? 
[23:07] <shadeslayer> hm, dmesg.2 is empty
[23:07] <shadeslayer> that's the boot without nomodeset
[23:12] <bjsnider> the modern drivers need kms
[23:33] <shadeslayer> bjsnider: oh ok
[23:33] <shadeslayer> well, like I said, no dmesg logs from the boot without nomodeset