[04:59] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:05] <Squirm> morning
[05:05] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:06] <Squirm> you're in early Kilos 
[05:06] <Kilos> yeah everything is working, no need to sort stuff first
[05:09] <Squirm> nice
[05:12] <Kilos> hi kbmonk 
[05:12] <kbmonk> hi hi o/
[05:12] <Kilos> no more ey? hehe
[05:12] <kbmonk> I got in via the freenode webchat
[05:12] <Kilos> ah
[05:12] <Kilos> wb
[05:12] <kbmonk> he he. how are you Kilos?
[05:13] <Kilos> you have showed online since your UH
[05:13] <Kilos> good ty kbmonk and you
[05:13] <kbmonk> good
[05:13] <Kilos> hows things your side kbmonk 
[05:13] <Kilos> work going good?
[05:13] <kbmonk> that is my irssi on a shell account that is always online Kilos. 
[05:14] <kbmonk> but they block that at work so i cant get ssh in.
[05:14] <Kilos> you just need to etll it to show away
[05:14] <Kilos> tell
[05:14] <Kilos> i have greeted and pinged you few times
[05:15] <kbmonk> usually I do, but my 3G cut out before I could do that. Murphey eh ;)
[05:15] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[05:15] <kbmonk> It doesn't show as away?
[05:15] <Kilos> have you tried 8ta, much more stable than the others
[05:16] <Kilos> didnt nuvolari tell you
[05:16] <kbmonk> nuvolari did and I'm interested now!
[05:16] <Kilos> lotsa guys here gone 8ta
[05:17] <Kilos> just member when you buy a sim put it in fone and fone 8ta and get them to enable 3g
[05:17] <kbmonk> today i'm going to see an agent about a place to stay... so maybe i cant go find 8ta tomorrow or the weekend.
[05:17] <Kilos> otherwise its edge or gprs
[05:17] <kbmonk> Thanks for that tip, Kilos! XD
[05:17] <Kilos> no shops near you?
[05:17] <Kilos> yw
[05:18] <Kilos> every second tea room sells sims and airtime
[05:18] <kbmonk> +1
[05:20]  * Squirm noms
[05:20] <kbmonk> hi Squirm o/
[05:20] <Squirm> lo kbmonk 
[05:20]  * kbmonk throws bananas at Kilos and Squirm 
[05:21] <Squirm> kbmonk: you're a monk today, act like one :/
[05:21] <Kilos> yummy
[05:22] <Squirm> I'm going to be late again...
[05:23] <kbmonk> I don't like this webchat, it has no SSL :/
[05:26] <Kilos> hi Gavin__ 
[05:27] <Kilos> kbmonk, there must be someway to bypass their block
[05:27] <Kilos> you not a geek for nothing
[05:27] <kbmonk> how much R/MB does 8ta go for?
[05:28] <Kilos> they got a special on R149 for 2g +1g night surfer
[05:28] <Kilos> after 11 pm
[05:29] <kbmonk> I pay that for 500MB on voda. wow that is much cheaper. Thanks Kilos :)
[05:29] <Kilos> yeah i jumped at it too
[05:29] <kbmonk> not sure why their site says R1/MB. 
[05:30] <kbmonk> aah, okay for data only its cheaper. no voice. no problem
[05:32] <Kilos> once you have enabled the sim to 3g it shows where you change airtime to data 
[05:33] <Kilos> before enabling 3g i didnt see it on the fone
[05:34] <Kilos> i think the 8ta guy said once 3g is activated then that sim only works to other 8ta fones 
[05:34] <Kilos> but thats fine in the modem
[05:35] <Kilos> and there is a tool to topup and check airtime balance on linux
[05:35] <kbmonk> Okay :)
[05:36] <kbmonk> I have to go now :(
[05:36] <Kilos> havent found how to check data balance without putting sim in fone yet
[05:36] <Kilos> have a good day laddy
[05:36] <Squirm> better run to work. be back in <5
[05:36] <Kilos> go Squirm 
[05:37] <kbmonk> normally its like *100# (or whatever code they have). that is called ussd codes
[05:37] <kbmonk> you can use the gsm-ussd program to *100# your 3G modem :)
[05:37] <Kilos> oh
[05:38] <kbmonk> that's what I used to top-up airtime. no fone reqrd
[05:38] <Kilos> ill check inna repos
[05:38] <Kilos> ty
[05:38] <kbmonk> ciao ciao o/
[05:39] <Kilos> be good
[05:39] <kbmonk> I'll try ;)
[05:46]  * Squirm yawns
[05:46] <Kilos> lol so early
[05:46] <Kilos> or you still waking up
[05:47] <Squirm> I'm either always waking up, or always going to sleep
[05:47] <Kilos> hehe
[05:55] <inetpro> Kilos-: good morning
[05:56] <Kilos-> hmm hiya inetpro 
[05:56] <inetpro> Kilos-: go to https://home.8ta.com/
[05:56] <Kilos> ok
[05:56] <inetpro> do the 'Self Service Login' thing
[05:57] <inetpro> then you can recharge your bundle
[05:57] <inetpro> and check your balance
[05:57] <Kilos> prepaid tool allows that 
[05:58] <Kilos> oh you can check too
[05:58] <inetpro> what's the prepaid tool?
[05:58] <Kilos> 8ta sees opera as a fone
[05:58] <Kilos> prepaid-manager
[05:58] <Kilos> in repos
[05:59] <Kilos> shows airtime balance and allows topup
[05:59] <Kilos> only doesnt show data balance
[06:00] <inetpro> interesting, thanks
[06:00]  * inetpro didn't even know about that
[06:00] <Kilos> i saw it in a mail the weed answered
[06:00] <inetpro> not that I need it any more these days
[06:00] <Kilos> you got the big 8ta bundle?
[06:01] <Kilos> 60 + 60
[06:01] <inetpro> Kilos: no not yet
[06:01] <Kilos> this 2 +1 is great for me
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:02] <Squirm> I want a holiday
[06:05] <Kilos> lol
[06:06] <Kilos> how long you been working Squirm ?
[06:06] <Kilos> at that place?
[06:07] <Squirm> since January
[06:08] <Kilos> 5 more months then you got leave
[06:10] <Squirm> I've had bits of leave
[06:10] <Squirm> but I want to go away somewhere
[06:13] <Tonberry> hallo
[06:15] <Squirm> hello Tonberry 
[06:23] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:23] <Kilos> all good?
[06:25] <maiatoday> yup thanks, juggeling priorities as usual but all good, you?
[06:25] <Kilos> good ty
[06:28] <jrgns> morning all
[06:29] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:45] <superfly> morning all
[06:46] <sakhi> morning all
[06:55] <charlvn> good morning
[06:56] <charlvn> morning superfly, sakhi, Kilos, jrgns, maiatoday 
[06:56] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[06:56]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:56] <jrgns> morning charlvn
[06:58] <maiatoday> hi all
[07:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[07:00] <superfly> hey, maiatoday, good to see you
[07:02] <maiatoday> superfly are you super busy with work or do you have some time for a python project
[07:05] <superfly> maiatoday: what does it involve?
[07:05] <maiatoday> I don't have a lot of detail, it's prism and web stuff
[07:06] <maiatoday> no no typo, pyramid, not prism
[07:07] <maiatoday> If you think you have time mail me and I'll get more info
[07:07] <superfly> pyramid, oooo
[07:08] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks!
[07:08] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[07:08] <superfly> my framework of choice
[08:06] <charlvn> hi smile :)
[08:06] <smile> hi. :)
[08:07] <Kilos> hi smile 
[08:07] <Kilos> lo charlvn sakhi 
[08:07] <Kilos> and psydroid 
[08:10] <psydroid> hi Kilos worth of smile :)
[08:10] <psydroid> hi charlvn
[08:10] <psydroid> hi sakhi
[08:10] <psydroid> :)
[08:12] <smile> psydroid: lol. :p
[08:12] <smile> ^^
[08:12] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[08:23] <smile> charlvn: have you slept well? :)
[08:32] <charlvn> yes indeed! much nicer weather now!
[08:32] <charlvn> i am feeling GREAT this morning!
[08:32] <charlvn> i wish i could sleep longer :)
[08:32] <charlvn> but i have a job i need to tend to ;)
[08:38] <smile> :)
[09:19] <Kilos> hmm
[09:19] <Squirm> hmm
[09:19] <Squirm> so
[09:19] <Squirm> I just got the rest of the day off
[09:19] <Squirm> unplanned
[09:20] <Squirm> now I don't know what to do with myself
[09:20] <inetpro> Squirm: where are you based?
[09:20] <Squirm> Treverton Schools, Mooi RIver
[09:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:14]  * Symmetria laughs
[10:15] <Symmetria> Im now broke :P I just spent all my cash haha, need to make more 
[10:18] <Kilos> what you bought, another car? or an aeroplane
[10:20] <Symmetria> lol parents house is on a double plot
[10:20] <Symmetria> or was
[10:20] <Symmetria> I now own the bottom plot 
[10:20] <Symmetria> eventually lol I'll probably buy the house/top plot as well
[10:21] <jrgns> nice
[10:21] <Symmetria> heh but I refuse to take loans to do this stuff so will be a while before I can afford to buy either the house on the top plot or build, coupla months at least 
[10:21]  * Symmetria believes in a cash world
[10:42] <Kerbero> yeah
[10:42] <Kerbero> it is better
[11:07] <magespawn> howdy all
[11:19] <smile> Hi :)
[11:59] <inetpro> Symmetria: eish!
[11:59] <inetpro> blowing your horn like that is really not so nice
[12:28] <zeref_campus> hmmmm
[12:52] <charlvn> good afternoon
[13:00] <zeref_campus> is anybody a member of: http://www.meetup.com/Jozi-Linux-User-Group-JLUG/
[13:03] <charlvn> zeref_campus: interesting, are they trying to compete with the glug?
[13:03] <charlvn> afaik the glug is much more well established
[13:04] <zeref_campus> had a peak at the clug site, seems to be dead
[13:04] <zeref_campus> the Jozi guys seem to be very active
[13:05] <jrgns> i want to one of the meetups once
[13:05] <jrgns> was quite good
[13:06] <jrgns> in my experience (and opinion) glug isn't very chat / noob friendly
[13:07] <jrgns> any glug members here? i'd like to hear other experiences?
[13:08] <zeref_campus> heard about the jozi guys today, thinkning about going to a meetup and see whats cookin there
[13:09] <Symmetria> damn
[13:10] <Symmetria> heh
[13:10] <Symmetria> to redo the switches in the hostels at one of the universities
[13:10] <Symmetria> I need 150 48 hour switches
[13:10] <Symmetria> like, holy crap :p
[13:12] <inetpro> jrgns: what happened?
[13:12] <charlvn> jrgns: i used to belong to some of the glug mailing lists a long time ago, they were even relatively inactive back then compared to the clug
[13:13] <charlvn> jrgns: i don't know about being noob friendly or not though, i can't say i particularly experienced them as being *ssholes or anything
[13:13] <charlvn> jrgns: to the contrary, you get a lot of snobbish attitude under the clug as well, probably much more so than the glug
[13:14] <jrgns> inetpro: i've seen a couple of responses from members where they are either very defensive of their own points of view, or very dismissive of other people's lack of experience / skills
[13:15] <jrgns> inetpro: i've always managed to steer clear of that, but made the mistake about asking if anyone knew about a PHP community on the list. got the dressing down of my life
[13:15] <charlvn> Symmetria: 48 hour switches? what's that?
[13:15] <Kerbero> 48 port?
[13:15] <charlvn> hi smile4 
[13:15] <inetpro> jrgns: hmm...
[13:15] <jrgns> inetpro: i'm probably exaggerating a bit, but it wasn't the response i expected
[13:16] <inetpro> I know the feeling... 
[13:16] <jrgns> charlvn: i suspect the inactivity stems from a lack of openness
[13:16] <charlvn> jrgns: you're probably right
[13:16] <jrgns> inetpro: ?
[13:16] <charlvn> jrgns: that problem is quite common though, also with the clug. you get the most insane fights about petty stuff on some of the lists
[13:17] <jrgns> charlvn: not kewl
[13:17] <inetpro> email communication can be a tough medium, I guess like all communication
[13:17] <jrgns> yup
[13:17] <charlvn> jrgns: there is definitely a degree of elitism but regarding php programming, php is always the victim of elitism amoung programmers
[13:17] <jrgns> in contrast, the jlug group is very open and willing to teach and be taught. the meetup I went to was more a discussion than a lecture. quite nice
[13:17] <charlvn> jrgns: the problem really stems from a great number of php programmers who really have no idea of how to program or architect systems
[13:17] <jrgns> charlvn: oh, definitely
[13:18] <charlvn> jrgns: due to that, php programmers have gotten a really bad reputation of the years
[13:18] <charlvn> jrgns: of course, there are a lot of really good programmers that also use php (when the need calls for it)
[13:18] <jrgns> charlvn: the problem is that a lot of animosity towards php dev comes from this misconception
[13:18] <inetpro> many times you must learn to take in on the chin and just move on
[13:18] <inetpro> don't take it personal
[13:19] <jrgns> charlvn: which just creates a bigger divide between inexperienced php devs and other devs, as they young php devs now get the idea that ruby / python / whatever devs are snobbish ruffians
[13:19] <jrgns> and prevents them from then learning from the other languages
[13:20] <charlvn> jrgns: perhals you're right, although, to be perfectly honest, it shouldn't come as a surprise
[13:20] <jrgns> inetpro: definitely. i still lurk on glug-chat, but will think twice and read any responses much more carefully
[13:20] <jrgns> charlvn: ??
[13:21] <charlvn> jrgns: lemme put it this way... there is really no barrier of entry when it comes to calling yourself a "programmer"
[13:21] <charlvn> for example, a doctor needs to have a medical degree, or a lawyer needs to attend law school
[13:21] <jrgns> charlvn: ah. i can copy & paste from SO, and now I can code
[13:22] <charlvn> but anyone can learn how to program and claim to be an "experienced programmer" after just taking on a few small and relatively simple projects\
[13:22] <charlvn> exactly, just by using google and resources like stack overflow etc, you can actually get a lot done without having too much experience
[13:22] <jrgns> charlvn: definitely. I've interviewed a few coders that rated their PHP skills as above average / expert, but couldn't answer simple php basics
[13:22] <jrgns> frustrates the hell out of me
[13:23] <charlvn> well that's why you get some strange behaviour from a lot of programmers, i don't think they have anything against helping promising young programmers\
[13:23] <charlvn> but i think they want to try and keep the "wannabees" out
[13:23] <jrgns> charlvn: i agree
[13:23] <charlvn> i have seen very few of those wannabees in europe but in south africa they seem to be quite common
[13:23] <jrgns> hehe, yup
[13:23] <charlvn> i think it's because a lot of people see programming as a "good job" where they are going to "earn lots of money"
[13:24] <charlvn> where in europe it's kind of "oh yeah so you're a programmer, whatevs"
[13:24] <charlvn> not that it's a bad thing to say you're a programmer, but it doesn't impress people too much
[13:24] <jrgns> i've been dealing with managing people's perception of me because I market myself as an expert php coder. i'm starting to throw that out, and just go with backend coder or systems dev
[13:24] <jrgns> hehe
[13:24] <charlvn> i'm completely with you there
[13:25] <charlvn> i don't refer to myself as a python/php/java/whatever programmer
[13:25] <charlvn> simply as a backend developer
[13:26] <jrgns> ja, and i only go for web dev if i know people either know what it entails (not just html and some js) or if i know they are looking for a web dev
[13:27] <charlvn> well let's face it, most systems are going to have a web component these days
[13:27] <charlvn> the whole concept of a "desktop programmer" versus a "web programmer" is totally outdated
[13:27] <charlvn> besides, these days people are running after the mobile application hype
[13:28] <charlvn> that is also only temporary because that will also largely be taken over by mobile web applications
[13:28] <charlvn> the world goes through these phases of "web 2.0" or "mobile" or "cloud"
[13:28] <charlvn> at the end of the day, very little of that is driven by actual technology
[13:29] <charlvn> we had services like hotmail in the 90's that people are now branding as "cloud"
[13:29] <charlvn> it's as ancient as trojan horses
[13:29] <jrgns> hehe
[13:29] <charlvn> (of the greek kind of course)
[13:29] <jrgns> i'm trying to stay on the backend, 'cause at the end of the day even cloud services need an api or backend to communicate to
[13:30] <charlvn> well that's why the backend is so important, for every web page that the user sees, a whole lot of stuff needs to happen on various servers to make that possible
[13:30] <charlvn> ok i need to get back to work :) bbl
[13:33] <jrgns> exactly. schweet
[13:33] <inetpro> heh, there are only a few buzzwords that I hate more than the cloud
[13:34] <inetpro> if anything a cloud can vanish as fast as it appears in the skies
[13:35] <jrgns> inetpro: witty
[13:35] <inetpro> :-)
[13:36] <Kilos> you okes didnt even say hi to carma
[13:37] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Sorry oom.
[13:37] <Kilos> lol never mind
[13:38] <Kilos> i was outside
[13:38] <jrgns> gtg, chat tomorrow
[13:38] <zeref_campus> hurrrmmm, has anybody used django?
[13:38] <Kilos> cheers jr
[13:38] <Kilos> whew
[13:39] <superfly> zeref_campus: somewhat. if possible I prefer to steer clear of it. there are much better options.
[13:41] <zeref_campus> superfly: why?
[13:41] <superfly> zeref_campus: Django suffers terribly from "Not Invented Here" syndrome
[13:41] <tumbleweed> which is partly what makes it easily understandable
[13:42] <superfly> thus you cannot typically use Django libraries in non-Django projects, and you can't use non-Django libraries in Django projects
[13:42] <superfly> tumbleweed: just like PHP ;-)
[13:42] <tumbleweed> non-django libraries work just fine in django
[13:42] <tumbleweed> zeref_campus: we use a lot of django at work
[13:42] <superfly> tumbleweed: depends on what you're trying to do
[13:42] <tumbleweed> everything that isn't java (urgh) is django
[13:43] <superfly> zeref_campus: there's also Pyramid, Flash, Bottle and Werkzeug
[13:43] <tumbleweed> superfly: sure. you can't esaily swap out the DB layer / templating. But you can easily use a library that doesn't replace a core django component
[13:44] <superfly> zeref_campus: you might want to take a look at a few of them and try to evaluate them
[13:44] <tumbleweed> Werkzeug is great if you are just trying to build a little API endpoint. Flask adds templating to it. Never used Pyramid / Bottle
[13:44] <zeref_campus> hmmm, no one is mentioning any CMS
[13:44] <zeref_campus> drupal, joomla
[13:45] <tumbleweed> zeref_campus: we're talking about application frameworks here, not CMSs
[13:45] <tumbleweed> although django was meant to replace the CMS
[13:45] <tumbleweed> (at a slightly lower level)
[13:45] <superfly> zeref_campus: Application Frameworks and CMS/CMF's are different things.
[13:46] <zeref_campus> oh, my mistake
[13:46] <tumbleweed> TBH, we use django as a replacement for a CMS for our front page
[13:46] <tumbleweed> and are very happy with it
[13:47] <tumbleweed> the "web people" don't need to know anything about python. They just drop in HTML, CSS, and JS. And it's all glued together with magic they don't touch
[13:48] <zeref_campus> hmmm, soo many to try :\
[13:52] <superfly> zeref_campus: at least try Pyramid and Flask in addition to Django
[13:56] <zeref_campus> hmm, i'm busy reading up on them atm :D
[14:49] <tumbleweed> 16:47 < dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek is starting in a  bit more than 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:00] <magespawn> see you all later
[15:31] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://www.diginfo.tv/v/12-0162-r-en.php
[15:31] <mikurubeam> Automatic motion tracking home security camera helps keep your pets safe - DigInfo TV - Tech News Videos From Japan | The latest technology, products, gadgets and scientific research direct from Tokyo
[15:32] <Kilos> hi mikurubeam 
[15:32] <charlvn> very nice
[15:32] <charlvn> Kilos: mikurubeam is a java bot i created
[15:32] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[15:32] <Kilos> ha ha
[15:32] <charlvn> it's a little r&d
[15:33] <charlvn> ok i'm off, need to go home
[15:33] <charlvn> bbl
[15:33] <Kilos> later
[15:44] <Lionthinker> howzit guys
[15:45] <Lionthinker> is there an app or something that allows us cell data users to check and load airtime/data in sa?
[16:00] <nuvolari> Lionthinker: I'm positive each network has a web interface? :P
[16:00] <nuvolari> I gave up on a native app
[16:00] <nuvolari> ok, I'm ogg to home
[16:00] <nuvolari> hrr major lag
[16:00] <nuvolari> would be better at home
[16:00] <nuvolari> and I'm hungry
[16:30] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08zbQwwljAg
[16:30] <mikurubeam> YouTube video by Hak5Darren: RFID Injection and Laser Hands at Toorcamp 2012, Hak5 1201.1
[16:30] <charlvn> nice
[16:31] <Trixar_za> Hehehe - Flatpress actually has an Count Down to Ubuntu Release plugin
[16:31] <Trixar_za> Why do all the flatfile services have it?
[16:32] <not_found> Hak5 is awesome (pity I don't understand half of it)
[16:32] <charlvn> lol not_found 
[16:32] <charlvn> a lot of their stuff is pretty noob but some of it is awesome
[16:33] <not_found> I sometimes understand the things snubsy is on about but once Darren starts getting excited I am lost
[16:34] <charlvn> shannon is more of a windows / high level user
[16:34] <charlvn> darren is more of a low level / command line / unix user
[16:34] <charlvn> shannon does some good ones too though
[16:35] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X5TwvGXHP0
[16:35] <mikurubeam> YouTube video by Hak5Darren: How to Capture Packets with Wireshark - Getting Started
[16:35] <not_found> new bot I see
[16:35] <charlvn> shannon is getting better :)
[16:36] <charlvn> not_found: yeah something i wrote this morning, based off old code
[16:36] <Kerbero> o
[16:36] <Kerbero> shannon is my computer's name
[16:36] <charlvn> it was actually an experiment of how to do html5 parsing in java
[16:36] <charlvn> Kerbero: you got a crush? :P
[16:36] <not_found> charlvn: nice
[16:36] <not_found> Kerbero: cool name :)
[16:36] <Kerbero> no
[16:37] <Kerbero> shannon was not gay
[16:37] <Tonberry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
[16:37] <Kerbero> but he was a friend of turing
[16:37] <Kerbero> who was
[16:37] <charlvn> oh that shannon
[16:37] <Tonberry> different shannons
[16:37] <charlvn> ok now i get it
[16:37] <not_found> Snubsy is cute :p
[16:37] <charlvn> not_found: yeah she has a cute asian look to her
[16:37] <charlvn> not_found: even though she's not
[16:38] <Tonberry> mmm
[16:38] <Kerbero> what if turing had kids...
[16:38] <charlvn> i think she's a mixture of european and native american or something
[16:38] <Tonberry> reminds me im still on season7 of hak5
[16:38]  * not_found can't remember when last he watched :(\
[16:38] <charlvn> i've been following hak5 all the way from season 1
[16:40] <charlvn> ok i need to go get food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon
[16:40] <charlvn> brb
[16:40] <Kerbero> o lekker
[16:41] <Kerbero> een heel leuk naam ook
[16:52] <Symmetria> hrm
[16:52] <Symmetria> these new juniper switches 
[16:52] <Symmetria> have some really cool shit 
[16:52] <Symmetria> you can virtualize them with a cable between them
[16:53] <Symmetria> that runs at 128gigabit
[16:53] <Kerbero> wow
[16:53] <Symmetria> and they become a single switch 
[16:53] <Symmetria> which means you can run a fiber into each unit, and then lacp across the fibers in a single l2 trunk 
[16:53] <Kerbero> what type of cable will hadle that bandwidth
[16:53] <Symmetria> which means that in full mode, you have double capacity, but if you lose an entire switch, your uplink still works
[16:54] <Symmetria> thats a special stacking cable, you can do 100gig on a single normal fiber though
[16:54] <Symmetria> (infact you can dwdm 100gig so you can do 1.6 terabit using multi-wave)
[17:21] <Kilos> nuvolari, prepaid-manager in the repos
[17:22] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[17:22] <Kilos> gives airtime balance and topup facility
[17:24] <not_found> hi uncle Kilos 
[17:25] <Kilos> prepaid-manager-applet inetpro nuvolari 
[17:26] <Kilos> i forgot the applet part
[17:41] <Kilos> night guys. i go crash early
[17:41] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:11] <zeref> ok, a friend of mine mentioned that phones are now designed to last for 3 years, anybody heard about this?
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:49] <magespawn> evening al
[18:49] <magespawn> all
[18:56] <magespawn> tumbleweed is there an published schedule for those classes/talks in #ubuntu-classroom?
[19:04] <tumbleweed> magespawn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[19:05] <tumbleweed> longer term: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html
[19:08] <charlvn> good evening
[19:23] <magespawn> cool ty tumbleweed
[19:23] <magespawn> evening  charlvn 
[19:27] <charlvn> hi magespawn 
[20:02] <CanStudied> ^_______^v
[20:05] <zeref> ok
[20:06] <zeref> how do you get your app to show in the panel when its running?
[20:06] <zeref> for instance when you start dropbox it shows in the top panel
[20:44] <charlvn> zeref: for your own application i mean? in which programming language?
[20:44] <charlvn> *you mean
[20:45] <zeref> teh python
[20:48] <charlvn> mikurubeam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python_version
[20:48] <mikurubeam> DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators - Ubuntu Wiki
[20:49] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://standards.freedesktop.org/systemtray-spec/systemtray-spec-0.2.html
[20:49] <mikurubeam> System Tray Protocol Specification
[20:50] <zeref> ahhh, just what i was looking for, thanks
[20:51] <zeref> kept on missing my aaplications
[20:51] <zeref> *application notifications :D
[20:51] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/python-eggtrayicon
[20:51] <mikurubeam> Ubuntu -- Details of package python-eggtrayicon in precise
[20:52] <charlvn> if you are using PyGTK
[20:52] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkstatusicon.html
[20:52] <mikurubeam> gtk.StatusIcon
[20:53] <charlvn> if you are using pyqt, maybe check this out
[20:53] <charlvn> mikurubeam: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qsystemtrayicon.html
[20:53] <mikurubeam> QSystemTrayIcon | Documentation | Qt Developer Network
[20:54] <charlvn> it all depends on which gui library you are using
[20:54] <charlvn> from the look of it, ubuntu is using some new strange custom and incompatible thing in unity
[20:54] <zeref> using GTK, nice and quick
[20:54] <charlvn> but i have never used it myself so i don't know
[20:54] <charlvn> just try a few things and see what works for you
[20:54] <charlvn> would be interesting to see what works, please report back with your findings
[20:55] <zeref> the first link is what i was looking for :D
[20:55] <charlvn> lol
[20:56] <zeref> PyGtK is fading out, making way for pygobject
[20:56] <charlvn> ah
[20:56] <zeref> *pyGI
[20:56] <charlvn> i almost never write any gui utilities anymore, it's either command line or web based for me now
[20:56] <charlvn> i used to develop some pretty heavy stuff with swing and dabbled around in qt as well a number of years ago
[20:57] <charlvn> *java swing
[20:57] <charlvn> ok lemme go to bed
[20:57] <charlvn> i am dead tired
[20:57] <charlvn> enjoy your developments!
[20:57] <zeref> ciao
[21:25] <magespawn> later all