[01:49] <ahoneybun> what can I do to help with the devel of 12.10?
[01:52] <ahoneybun> maybe package redshift
[01:52] <ahoneybun> plasma-widget-redshift
[01:58] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: hmm ... lemme think of a task
[01:59] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[01:59] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I think I might try to package redshift
[01:59] <shadeslayer> it's not 12.10, but still Kubuntu Dev nonetheless
[01:59] <shadeslayer> oh
[01:59] <shadeslayer> I was going to give you the task of backport ktp
[01:59] <shadeslayer> *backporting
[02:00] <ahoneybun> whatever a newbie can do to help
[02:00] <ahoneybun> I have the backport enabled and KDE SC 4.9 installed
[02:02] <shadeslayer> sec
[02:02] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: do you have a precise pbuilder set up?
[02:02] <ahoneybun> no
[02:03] <shadeslayer> ok, I'd suggest you install pbuilder and set one up
[02:03] <shadeslayer> also install ubuntu-dev-tools and pkg-kde-tools
[02:03] <shadeslayer> on that note
[02:04] <shadeslayer> debfx: can we somehow validate desktop files from inside the buildd before we ship them in install files?
[02:04] <shadeslayer> like, somehow add this functionality in dh
[02:04] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: aptitude is running and installing the packages
[02:04] <shadeslayer> cool
[02:05] <shadeslayer> let me know when you're done :)
[02:05] <ahoneybun> ok :) also should I have SSH keys and such setup on Launchpad?
[02:05] <shadeslayer> CoC needs to be signed and gpg keys uploaded
[02:06] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: help me with the gpg keys please
[02:06] <shadeslayer> generating them?
[02:06] <shadeslayer> or signing/uploading
[02:07] <ahoneybun> maybe both, I do have a OpenPg something up there
[02:08] <shadeslayer> if you have already generated it
[02:08] <shadeslayer> then you just need to upload the public key into launchpad
[02:08] <shadeslayer> just follow the instructions on your launchpad page really :)
[02:11] <ahoneybun> ssh-key?
[02:11] <shadeslayer> no need for the ssh key
[02:12] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: well its there for any use later
[02:12] <shadeslayer> sure
[02:12] <ahoneybun> just guide me to the right page :)
[02:12] <shadeslayer> well .. what's your lp page?
[02:13] <shadeslayer> should be something like : launchpad.net/~foobar
[02:13] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: too much work on your side? https://launchpad.net/~honeycuttaaron3
[02:13] <shadeslayer> seems like everything is good to go on your side really
[02:13] <shadeslayer> You've signed the CoC
[02:14] <shadeslayer> your ssh and gpg keys are there
[02:14] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: now click on Create New ppa
[02:14] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:16] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: note, once you create a PPA you can't change your lp name
[02:17] <shadeslayer> as in this part : ~honeycuttaaron3
[02:17] <ahoneybun> I did not know you could change that
[02:17] <shadeslayer> so in the future if you apply for Ubuntu membership or sth, you will get honeycuttaaron3@ubuntu.com
[02:18] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~/~honeycuttaaron3/+edit
[02:18] <shadeslayer> er
[02:18] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~honeycuttaaron3/+edit
[02:19] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: thanks, ok next step?
[02:19] <shadeslayer> open a konsole please :)
[02:19] <shadeslayer> and run : setup-packaging-environment
[02:21] <ahoneybun> working on it
[02:23] <ahoneybun> done
[02:24] <shadeslayer> ok
[02:24] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: how much RAM do you have?
[02:24] <ahoneybun> 4gbs
[02:25] <shadeslayer> ok .. we won't mount the builds into RAM then
[02:26] <ahoneybun> too little.
[02:26] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: please put this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1172996/ in ~/.pbuilderrc
[02:26] <shadeslayer> yeah too little :)
[02:27] <ahoneybun> I would like to have Kubuntu on my desktop with 8 but need windows 7 for game
[02:27] <ahoneybun> s
[02:27] <ahoneybun> as a text file?
[02:28] <ahoneybun> I do not have that folder
[02:30] <ahoneybun> that would be a config file
[02:30] <shadeslayer> yes
[02:30] <shadeslayer> just time nano ~/.pbuilderrc
[02:30] <shadeslayer> and paste the entire text into that file
[02:31] <ahoneybun> done with Kate
[02:31] <shadeslayer> s/time/type
[02:31] <shadeslayer> fair enough :)
[02:31] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[02:32] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: run : bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[02:33] <shadeslayer> and then move the directory to ~/.pbuilder-hooks
[02:34] <ahoneybun> make that dir?
[02:35] <shadeslayer> note that the hooks should be in ~/.pbuilder-hooks
[02:35] <shadeslayer> so you should ideally do : mv /path/to/pbuilder-hooks ~/.pbuilder-hooks
[02:36] <ahoneybun> did it that way
[02:36] <ahoneybun> done
[02:38] <shadeslayer> ok
[02:38] <shadeslayer> run : sudo DIST=precise pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[02:38] <shadeslayer> erm
[02:38] <ahoneybun> what was with making the ppa?
[02:38] <shadeslayer> sudo -E DIST=precise pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[02:38] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: you need a place to put your packages :)
[02:38] <ahoneybun> oh I see
[02:38] <ahoneybun> :)
[02:39] <shadeslayer> so you upload the sources to launchpad and it'll build everything and give you pretty debs
[02:40] <shadeslayer> then you add the ppa and can install all the packages
[02:40] <ahoneybun> what should i name the ppa?
[02:40] <shadeslayer> anything that you want really
[02:40] <shadeslayer> one of mine is named nightly ...
[02:40] <shadeslayer> you can just name it ppa as well
[02:42] <ahoneybun> ok that last command is still working
[02:43] <shadeslayer> yep, it'll take some time
[02:43] <shadeslayer> depends on your connection speed and disk io
[02:43] <ahoneybun> what time will you be on thurs?
[02:43] <shadeslayer> well .. usually I'm around from 8AM IST to 5 PM IST ( sproadically on IRC after 5 PM IST )
[02:44] <shadeslayer> but there will be alot of people here to help :)
[02:44] <shadeslayer> ( 0230 UTC to 1430 UTC )
[02:44] <ahoneybun> I'm in EST, I will come on when I can see what I can do, I will be at work and then gfs tomorrow 
[02:44] <shadeslayer> ok
[02:45] <ahoneybun> I want to work on this some more
[02:45] <shadeslayer> it's fairly simple from now on
[02:45] <ahoneybun> "fairly" I need to know what to build
[02:45] <shadeslayer> you download my package, test build it, upload to your ppa, repeat for all tp packages
[02:46] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages
[02:46] <shadeslayer> more specifically https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=quantal
[02:46] <ahoneybun> tp
[02:46] <shadeslayer> everything deps on ktp-common-internals, so you just need to make sure you upload common-internals first
[02:47] <ahoneybun> ok let me look
[02:47] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: have you ever used dch and debuild?
[02:47] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: lets just say I'm new to alot of this. :) but this is nice
[02:48] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[02:48] <shadeslayer> so what you do is download the source and the package using dget
[02:48] <shadeslayer> so let's call that step 1
[02:48] <shadeslayer> step 1 : dget -xu https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-common-internals_0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa5.dsc
[02:48] <shadeslayer> you can search for the dsc file by clicking that arrow on the side 
[02:49] <ahoneybun> arrow? dsc?
[02:49] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: open https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=quantal
[02:49] <shadeslayer> and scroll down to ktp-common-internals
[02:49] <shadeslayer> there's a small arrow on the left
[02:50] <shadeslayer> actually, you can just click the link as well
[02:50] <ahoneybun> well I just enter the dget command you gave
[02:50] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[02:50] <ahoneybun> more ways is always good
[02:51] <shadeslayer> yeah so you click the text that says ktp-common-internals and you'll see a foobar.dsc
[02:51] <shadeslayer> right click > copy link > dget -xu  ctr-shift-v
[02:52] <ahoneybun> ok thanks where did that download to>
[02:52] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:52] <shadeslayer> do a ls
[02:53] <shadeslayer> you'll see ktp-common-internals-0.5.0
[02:53] <ahoneybun> I see
[02:53] <shadeslayer> so you cd into that folder
[02:54] <ahoneybun> done, so I'm working on KDE-Telepathy
[02:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[02:54] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: did the pbuilder command finish?
[02:55] <ahoneybun> not yet
[02:56] <shadeslayer> ok, so in the ktp-common-internals folder, do a : dch -i
[02:56] <shadeslayer> this should ask you for your preferred editor, choose one and then we can proceed :)
[02:57] <ahoneybun> ok done with that
[02:58] <ahoneybun> 2min and 29 secs for that pbuilder command
[02:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[03:00] <ahoneybun> yep done
[03:00] <shadeslayer> ok, so, at the top you'll see a couple of things
[03:00] <shadeslayer> the first thing is the source name, which is ktp-common-internals
[03:00] <ahoneybun> hello Rohang
[03:00] <shadeslayer> then you have the version which will be 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa6 for you 
[03:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[03:01] <shadeslayer> then you have the release which should be precise since we want to get it into precise
[03:01] <shadeslayer> what you want to edit is : version : 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa1
[03:02] <ahoneybun> I have 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa6 for precise
[03:03] <ahoneybun> and ppa5 12.10
[03:03] <shadeslayer> right, change the last bit of the version, it should read 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa1
[03:04] <ahoneybun> done
[03:04] <shadeslayer> can you paste the entire line here?
[03:05] <ahoneybun> yes wait
[03:05] <shadeslayer> sure
[03:05] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1173039/
[03:06] <shadeslayer> awesome!
[03:06] <shadeslayer> you want to add something like "No change backport to precise"
[03:06] <shadeslayer> after the *
[03:06] <shadeslayer> like I did for quantal
[03:06] <micahg>  you can use the backportpackage tool from ubuntu-dev-tools
[03:07] <shadeslayer> or that ^ 
[03:07] <ahoneybun> I just added the line
[03:07] <ahoneybun> with nano
[03:07] <shadeslayer> ok, that means scripting ktp for backports should be trivially simple then :P
[03:08] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1173042/
[03:08] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: now we test build
[03:08] <shadeslayer> yeah, thats fine :)
[03:08] <ahoneybun> ok :)
[03:08] <shadeslayer> exit the text editor
[03:08] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:08] <shadeslayer> and run : DIST=quantal pdebuild
[03:09] <ahoneybun> quantal?
[03:09] <shadeslayer> erm
[03:09] <shadeslayer> sorry
[03:09] <shadeslayer> that's from muscle memory
[03:10] <shadeslayer> replace quantal with precise
[03:10] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[03:10] <shadeslayer> happens every release >.>
[03:10] <ahoneybun> np running
[03:11] <shadeslayer> so that'll take a couple of minutes to build and I have to go for a bit
[03:11] <shadeslayer> so I'll come back and we'll continue, or if micahg want's to take over from here
[03:12] <ahoneybun> I should sleep for work tomorrow
[03:12] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[03:12] <ahoneybun> ? :D
[03:12] <shadeslayer> you're 2 commands away from uploading to the PPA
[03:12] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:12] <shadeslayer> ( assuming build completes successfully )
[03:13] <ahoneybun> well lets get this thing built!
[03:13] <shadeslayer> after the build is done, you want to run : debuild -S -sa : which will prepare the necessary files to be uploaded
[03:13] <shadeslayer> then dput ppa:yourlpname/yourppa ktp-common-internals_0.5.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa1_source.changes
[03:14] <shadeslayer> ooohhh android update
[03:14] <shadeslayer> yay
[03:15] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: should I worry about uploading to bzr? 
[03:15] <shadeslayer> hm?
[03:15] <ahoneybun> dput uploads the stuff up?
[03:15] <shadeslayer> to launchpad, yes
[03:15] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: nvm I'll work on it
[03:15] <shadeslayer> you don't need to upload anything to bzr
[03:16] <ahoneybun> when do I see if the package works
[03:16] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: well, I'd recommend first getting everything to build
[03:16] <shadeslayer> then you can add the ppa and test the new ktp
[03:17] <shadeslayer> you're going to hit issues with the next couple of builds since all the other packages depend on ktp-common-internals 0.5 and you'll need to add the ppa to your pbuilder
[03:17] <ahoneybun> yea would ktp stand for KDE Telepathy procal? 
[03:17] <shadeslayer> KDE Telepathy, yes
[03:19] <ahoneybun> still working on the last command
[03:20] <ahoneybun> DIST=quantal pdebuild
[03:20] <ahoneybun> precise
[03:21] <shadeslayer> right :)
[03:21] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[03:26] <ahoneybun> I'm giving my stuff to 12 am for me to do thi
[03:27] <ahoneybun> s
[03:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[03:27] <ahoneybun> :D
[03:27] <ahoneybun> btw is this effecting my system?
[03:28] <ahoneybun> oh it at the setting up part
[03:28] <shadeslayer> no
[03:28] <shadeslayer> everything is done in a clean chroot
[03:28] <shadeslayer> so it's a complete system inside your host system
[03:31] <ahoneybun> so thats the part with the RAM
[03:31] <sreich> uh...what?
[03:32] <sreich> not really. it's not in ram at all..or shouldn't be ;)
[03:32] <ahoneybun>  debuild -S -sa : debuild command not found
[03:34] <ahoneybun> nvm
[03:34] <ahoneybun> cannot run as root
[03:35] <ahoneybun> so gpg error
[03:37] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: the part about the RAM was to get the pbuilder to extract everything in memory
[03:37] <shadeslayer> speeds up alot of things
[03:37] <shadeslayer> since disk IO is slow
[03:38] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: gpg error
[03:39] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: with debuild -S -sa?
[03:39] <ahoneybun> yes
[03:40] <shadeslayer> make sure the email address on your gpg key and the email address in debian/changelog match
[03:40] <ahoneybun> might need to be honeycuttaaron3@gmail.com
[03:40] <ahoneybun> how to change?
[03:40] <shadeslayer> the one in the changelog?
[03:41] <shadeslayer> just open it in a editor and change it
[03:41] <ahoneybun> yes
[03:41] <ahoneybun> where is the file
[03:41] <shadeslayer> nano debian/changelog
[03:42] <ahoneybun> ok so its not that cuz it still fails gpg
[03:44] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: did you change your lp page name?
[03:44] <ahoneybun> the name after ~?
[03:44] <shadeslayer> right
[03:44] <ahoneybun> yes
[03:44] <shadeslayer> can haz new one?
[03:45] <ahoneybun> dam
[03:45] <shadeslayer> ?
[03:45] <ahoneybun> aaronhoneycutt
[03:45] <shadeslayer> ok hmm
[03:46] <ahoneybun> I should not have changed that
[03:46] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: try : debuild -S -sa -k11C2389A
[03:46] <ahoneybun> with the original email?
[03:47] <shadeslayer> any email, we're specifying debuild that we want to use a specific key now
[03:47] <ahoneybun> same error
[03:47] <shadeslayer> pastebin
[03:48] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1173089/
[03:50] <shadeslayer> clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:50] <shadeslayer> are you *sure* you have 11C2389A on your machine?
[03:50] <shadeslayer> the public as well as the private part
[03:51] <ahoneybun> um
[03:51] <ahoneybun> not sure
[03:51] <ahoneybun> gpg?
[03:51] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: run  gpg --list-keys    
[03:51] <ahoneybun> might not be right
[03:51] <shadeslayer> !gpg
[03:52] <shadeslayer> if you generate a new key, please don't loose it :D
[03:52] <shadeslayer> and you'll have to upload it to lp and resign the CoC with the new key
[03:53] <ahoneybun> just tell me how to do it in kubuntu as we do not have the password and encr package
[03:53] <shadeslayer> ok gtg now
[03:53] <ahoneybun> dam
[03:53] <shadeslayer> uh
[03:54] <ahoneybun> ok dude/woman
[03:54] <shadeslayer> you don't have the what?
[03:54] <shadeslayer> the former :)
[03:54] <ahoneybun> dude?
[03:54] <shadeslayer> yus
[03:54] <ahoneybun> how do I generate it>
[03:54] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:56] <ahoneybun> and I installed a gnome gpg dam
[03:57] <ahoneybun> working
[06:05] <jussi> Morning all
[06:27] <shadeslayer> hai jussi
[06:27] <jussi> shadeslayer: !
[06:28] <jussi> shadeslayer: hows progresson KTP?
[06:28] <shadeslayer> just had a sandwich, now looking at how to notify the users of new users coming online/going offline
[06:28]  * shadeslayer can't think on a empty stomach
[06:29] <shadeslayer> jussi: password protected jabber rooms are for next week
[06:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: aaah, nice :D
[06:40] <jussi> grumble grumble
[06:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what my stomach will say in another 2 hours
[06:56]  * jussi hands shadeslayer a nice lamb gosht.
[06:56] <shadeslayer> ( Assuming that's a non vegetarian dish )
[06:56] <shadeslayer> Dude! I'm vegetarian :P
[06:56] <shadeslayer> it's like you don't even know me
[06:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[06:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: ha! I had forgotten
[06:56] <jussi> here, have a nice lentil stew then :D
[06:56]  * shadeslayer wants chole bhature :(
[07:53] <jussi> anyone seen Darkwing recently?
[08:00] <debfx> shadeslayer: doesn't lintian have desktop file checks?
[08:00] <shadeslayer> I don't think so
[08:01] <shadeslayer> jussi: he was moving iirc
[08:01] <jussi> shadeslayer: ahh still happening
[08:02] <shadeslayer> he lost a server during the move I think :(
[08:02] <shadeslayer> the movers dropped it
[08:02] <jussi> doh, that sucks
[08:02] <debfx> it does have some desktop-* tags
[08:11] <shadeslayer> I really do doubt it, else it would have picked up a nepomuk desktop file bug
[08:12] <vHanda> ?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> desktop-file-validate /usr/share/applications/kde4/nepomukbackup.desktop                                         shadeslayer@solembum
[08:12] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/applications/kde4/nepomukbackup.desktop: error: (will be fatal in the future): value "Archiving" in key "Categories" in group "Desktop Entry" requires another category to be present among the following categories: Utility
[08:14] <shadeslayer> you can also run  for FILE in *.desktop; do desktop-file-validate $FILE; done : in /usr/share/applications/kde4/
[08:14] <shadeslayer> and there's a whole bunch of issues in desktop files ;)
[08:15] <shadeslayer> and almost all of them to do with bluedevil :P
[08:33] <vHanda> shadeslayer: I fixed that issue
[08:33] <vHanda> I think the gentoo guys contacted me yesterday
[08:39] <Riddell> tsdgeos: what's up with translations?
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Riddell: the kdelibs4.mo misses some strings that i'm pretty sure that were there in what we released
[08:39] <tsdgeos> for catalan
[08:42] <Riddell> tsdgeos: in 12.10?
[08:42] <tsdgeos> 12.04
[08:43] <Riddell> ok that'll be launchpad
[08:43] <Riddell> I'll take a look in a bit
[08:43] <tsdgeos> the missing string is "&Move"
[09:46] <shadeslayer> vHanda: I know, I was merely pointing out to debfx that our tools should validate .desktop files
[09:46] <shadeslayer> so we can catch these issues earlier
[09:57] <debfx> well I suggest improving the checks in lintian if you feel there is something missing
[09:57] <debfx> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455740
[09:59] <debfx> "The Related Categories column lists one or more categories that are suggested to be used in conjunction with the Additional Category."
[10:00] <debfx> "are suggested" is very different from "error: (will be fatal in the future)"
[10:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz2upload ktp
[10:06] <shadeslayer> "(since people aren't following the standard)"
[10:06] <shadeslayer> what use is the standard then
[10:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where from?
[10:34] <Quintasan> Argh
[10:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, if the seed business is still available then I'm up for it
[10:35] <Quintasan> my ISP has been giving me hell for the past week
[10:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: missed your chance I'm afraid
[10:38] <Quintasan> Ah, can't help it
[10:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: although you could review any changes to ubuntu seeds in quantal and see if there's any we should get
[10:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: did you find a way to start helping?
[10:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[10:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's up!
[10:52] <shadeslayer> oh?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> I don't see it
[10:53] <shadeslayer> did you just upload it?
[10:53] <Riddell> yep
[10:53] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[10:54] <shadeslayer> well that was quick
[10:54] <shadeslayer> did you fix the versioning? :P
[10:54] <shadeslayer> you always forget that :)
[10:54] <Riddell> beta 1 freeze tomorrow,I wonder if there's anything else we want in
[10:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I removed the ~ppas
[10:54] <shadeslayer> cool :D
[10:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ktp-debugger will land in binary NEW
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: isn't bug 1042801 a work item rather than a bug?
[11:02] <shadeslayer> ohai apachelogger
[11:02] <apachelogger> lo
[11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1028545 ... there is no commit in bzr it seems
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: since you're looking at bugs, could you forward bug 964676 to upstream?
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 1042801 is more me making a todo list, so debateable where it should go, but better than irc channel topic :)
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 964676 does not exist the bot sez :P
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: no commit in bzr?  that might explain something
[11:04] <shadeslayer> because it's private :P
[11:04] <shadeslayer> the bot be stupid
[11:04] <apachelogger> stupid bot
[11:04] <shadeslayer> ubottu: asasda
[11:04] <shadeslayer> see
[11:04] <shadeslayer> google knows about asasda :P
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if it is a todo for you then I suggest assigning it directly and settign to work in progress ;)
[11:05] <apachelogger> and don't mock my channel todos
[11:05] <apachelogger> way more efficient than the eternal list in korganizer
[11:06] <Riddell> good idea
[11:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we do usually ask the reports to do so
[11:08] <apachelogger> also " I don't know"
[11:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't think the reporter will have enough motivation to report upstream
[11:08] <apachelogger> as a description somewhat suggests that forwarding is pointless :S
[11:08] <shadeslayer> and yes, I sawn that :P
[11:08] <shadeslayer> *saw
[11:09] <apachelogger> well
[11:09] <apachelogger> they released 2.5 didn't they?
[11:09] <apachelogger> so I am not sure they care about a crash in a 2.4 prerelease that the reporter does not even know how he triggered
[11:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: calligra upstream told me to forward patch
[11:10] <shadeslayer> I'm just relaying that info
[11:10] <shadeslayer> erm
[11:10] <apachelogger> we do not have a patch
[11:10] <shadeslayer> s/patch/stacktrace
[11:10] <apachelogger> fun
[11:10] <apachelogger> there is calligra*
[11:11] <apachelogger> but there is kexi
[11:11] <apachelogger> all hail the user friendly bugzilla
[11:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and why is the bug private?
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no idea, apport probably thought it was a good idea
[11:13] <apachelogger> oh
[11:13] <apachelogger> btw
[11:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: when do we kick that unmaintained piece of lovelyness?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> yeah?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/pu42E.png < ktp-text-ui
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: which?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> now you can browse the google when using ktp-text-ui \o/
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: apport-kde
[11:15] <shadeslayer> failed to build? :O
[11:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's...useful?
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: needs investigating right enough
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe :P
[11:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Now we a new candidate for a default browser instead of rekonq
[11:16] <Quintasan> :P
[11:16] <shadeslayer> rofl
[11:17] <shadeslayer> can't browse though :)
[11:17] <shadeslayer> you need specially crafted url's to do that
[11:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that text-ui crap is broken alright
[11:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, we have someone working on getting patches in :)
[11:19] <shadeslayer> fairly trivial patch though, just needs some url escaping and properly formed html
[11:19] <apachelogger> clearly this is all going to fall apart so we should hold on to youbuntuoo's gaming stuff and then sell it as a unique feature to kubuntu
[11:20] <apachelogger> Kubuntu 12.10 - Return of the Heisenbug
[11:20] <apachelogger> or - The Heisenbug Strikes Back
[12:13] <Riddell> hum live image today has a funny default plasma setup
[12:14] <Riddell> rekonq and dolphin in the panel and no folderview
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: check if kubuntu-default-settings are installed
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it is
[12:55]  * jussi should learn to shut up...
[12:55] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[12:55] <Riddell> jussi: please don't!
[12:55] <shadeslayer> then that's interesting
[15:10] <Riddell> mparillo: that Roadmap bug you did, there will be dozens of kubuntu wiki pages that aren't updated
[15:10] <Riddell> that's a large job in itself that nobody has taken on
[15:10] <Riddell> update or removed 
[15:11] <mparillo> Riddell: I checked, and all my links go to reasonable pages (though I did not look at them *TOO* closely).
[15:12] <mparillo> One of them I was not too happy with (it seemed to be an overall roadmap rather than a release roadmap). I can check on which one, but since it was not current, I still figured it was better than nothing.
[15:13] <mparillo> Riddell: This is the one I thought was a little ugly: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:14] <mparillo> It was the first one that had a / between the release name and the ReleaseSchedule.
[15:15] <mparillo> But, the next one (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule) looked much cleaner.
[15:15] <Riddell> mparillo: best not touch that, it's used all over ubuntu
[15:15] <mparillo> Right. I tried to address the bug in the lightest, most consistant way possible.
[15:16] <Riddell> mparillo: mind that wiki.kubuntu.org is the same wiki as wiki.ubuntu.com , kubuntu pages you can do what you like on, other parts of ubuntu it's best to check with that team if it doesn't look abandoned
[15:17] <mparillo> .
[15:18] <mparillo> Understood. I will stick to Kubuntu, and have been trying to focus on raised bugs rather than random improvements.
[15:18] <mparillo> I do have a question though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1042488 It seems as if I add a / to a URL, I get a different page.
[15:19] <Riddell> looks just the same to me
[15:20] <Riddell> what's different?
[15:22] <mparillo> The one with the / goes to /support/community (which does not exist), while the one without goes to /community which does.
[15:25] <Riddell> I don't get it, /support and /support/ go to a page with "Help and Support" "Access Free Documentation" etc
[15:25] <Riddell>  /community goes to "Whether you're an experienced Linux developer..."
[15:25] <Riddell> nothing points to /support/community
[15:26] <Riddell> which of course doesn't exist
[15:26] <mparillo> Hmm, not for me. So you enter: http://www.kubuntu.org/support/ in the rekonq URL bar.
[15:27] <mparillo> And click on Community page
[15:27] <mparillo> And you get the regular community page? I do not. I get /support/community (which does not exist).
[15:28] <yofel> works fine here
[15:28] <Riddell> right, both top "Community" and right side "Community" links are to http://www.kubuntu.org/community
[15:29] <mparillo> I need to get better at writing bugs. I was clicking on community in the area here: A range of free support options are also available from the Kubuntu Community, including forums, IRC channel and mailing list. There is also multi-language community support. More information can be found in our Community page.
[15:30] <mparillo> In the paragraph of text, there is an HREF right before the period.
[15:31] <yofel> for me, that links to http://www.kubuntu.org/community
[15:31] <mparillo> yofel: When you fire up  http://www.kubuntu.org/support/ in the rekonq URL bar?
[15:31] <yofel> OH
[15:31] <mparillo> With the trailing / ? Linking from the middle paragraph of text?
[15:32] <yofel> drupal bug?
[15:35] <yofel> mparillo: fixed by adding a leading slash in the href
[15:36]  * yofel wonders where else this might happen
[15:38] <yofel> mparillo: are the icon labels on the feature tour page misaligned for you too?
[15:39] <mparillo> yofel: Wow, that was fast. I will close the bug. Would you be able to let me know what the before and after was on the href? 
[15:41] <yofel> before: href="community" - after: href="/community" so it searches based on the document root and not current location
[15:42] <mparillo> yofel: Thank you. I have closed the bug. The icons are games, graphics, internet, multi-media, and office?
[15:43] <yofel> right
[15:43] <yofel> uh, great
[15:43] <yofel> in firefox the text is too low, in rekonq it's too high @_@
[15:44] <mparillo> Too high for me (rekonq). Need me to post a screenshot?
[15:44] <yofel> nah, we should see the same
[15:45] <yofel> chromium renders it like rekonq (webkit I guess)
[15:45] <yofel> is that page still hard-coded PHP?
[15:49] <mparillo> yofel: I tried to paste it, but the KDE Pastebin thought it was spam.
[15:49] <yofel> lol
[15:50] <mparillo> The chunk I was trying to paste was a misture of raw HTML, and drupal_get_path commands.
[16:19] <Quintasan> Yay
[16:19] <Quintasan> It's alive
[16:19] <yofel> hey Quintasan
[16:20] <Quintasan> yofel: sup
[16:20] <yofel> was trying to fix that alignment we were talking above ^ - but I totally fail at CSS
[16:21] <Quintasan> ha ha
[16:21] <Quintasan> So do I
[16:22] <Quintasan> Whenever I touch it, it displays in a different manner on every possible browser
[16:22] <yofel> well, that's what we currently have, so it at least can't get worse
[16:22] <Quintasan> Ha
[16:28] <yofel> great, I found a solution but that requires editing the PHP file -.-
[16:28] <yofel> as the icons don't have a class/id
[16:29] <Quintasan> >mfw I'm not getting anywhere with maliit and we are past feature freeze
[16:29] <Quintasan> I did nothing this cycle
[16:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's up with malitt?
[16:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm trying to figure out whether I'm doing it right according to the policy
[16:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: It builds but god knows if it's what we can put into universe and if it's actually what upstream wanted
[16:31] <Riddell> well you have 24 hours!
[16:31] <Quintasan> That sounds so...motivating
[16:31] <Riddell> what makes you think it isn't?
[16:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Overall I'm not sure, first time packaging a library that has over 9000 resulting packages when done according to upstream
[16:32] <Quintasan> Plus I'm worried about dependencies
[16:32] <Riddell> um really?
[16:33] <Quintasan> not really over 9000 but I've usually been doing some minor stuff like libfoo0 and a dev package
[16:33] <Quintasan> and now I have like, 5 packages and 3 -dev packages
[16:33] <Quintasan> Dunno if the dependecies will work
[16:33] <Quintasan> Gotta test it in Quantal VM
[16:34] <Riddell> kde4libs splits up the libraries but puts all headers into one -dev
[16:34] <Riddell> you can also put all files into one package if nothing uses the libraries like libraries
[16:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://wiki.maliit.org/PackagingGuidelines
[16:38] <Quintasan> Here is how upstream prefers it :D
[16:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Drop not working kwallet stub file" what was up with that (in k-d-s)?
[16:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: an upstream who knows about packaging is a rare beast :)
[16:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hmm
[16:41] <Quintasan> I still need to write postinst postrm scripts
[16:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: what are they needed for?
[16:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: According to upstream those gconf schemas have to be registered and deregisted
[16:43] <Riddell> gconf? ug
[16:43] <Riddell> well there's probably some magic dh_gconf which handles that for you?
[16:43] <Riddell> try asking in #ubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: Turns out I don't have to do anything
[16:52] <Riddell> magic
[16:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/libim-maliit.so
[16:59] <Quintasan> Any ideas how to install those?
[16:59] <Quintasan> x64_64 will be obviously substitued by arch
[16:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: you mean what to put in the .install file?
[16:59] <Quintasan> Yeah
[16:59] <Riddell> usr/lib/*/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/libim-maliit.so
[16:59] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:10]  * yofel curses different browsers with different CSS support
[17:12] <Quintasan> YES
[17:12] <Quintasan> MORE SPLITTING
[17:12] <Quintasan> splitting is the way!
[18:29] <genii-around> Bluetooth seems to be permanently on.
[18:33] <DF_Meyer_> genii-around: Bluetooth will be on if Wifi is on with some devices (I know for many new Intel devices this holds true.) There is a workaround but its not really worth the effort, Bluetooth hardly eats battery while on so don't stress about it 
[18:34] <genii-around> One of my coworkers keeps sending his phone photos to my computer instead of his.
[18:35] <highvoltage> genii-around: what kind of laptop do you have?
[18:38] <genii-around> highvoltage: Aspire 8730
[18:40] <genii-around> Maybe I'll just kill bluetoothd or something.
[20:03] <claydoh> clayd
[20:04] <claydoh> erp derp
[20:46] <yofel> genii-around: tried to shut it off with rfkill?
[20:47] <genii-around> yofel: No, I just ended up shutting down bluetoothd for the time being.
[23:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: overriding user specific kwl with one in kds is defunct and a rather silly way to make it less intrusive for the user