[01:36] <wilee-nilee> I can't really say for sure, but it is that type that I see people working on in the #ubuntu channel. generally you can look with the hardware info for problems or certification. If there is a site that gives a full list that would be great, but some times stuff that works is not listed.
[01:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Only certificated hardware is listed somewhere in the wiki
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> not everything is officially certified is all
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has supported hardware btw
[01:37] <kraut2001> i hear everyone say that "most" hardware is compatible with linux now, but Ubuntu has always been super unstable every time I have installed it (on two different laptops, through 4 different versions) so I have never been able to use it for more than a couple of days, even though I love it for those couple of days. is this typical or have I just had weird hardware? (both toshiba laptops). I don't even know where to start with th
[01:40] <kraut2001> the hardware support site appears to only have active programs for SYSTEMS not for individual hardware
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> Tough one to answer in that we could assume that you had every tool possible in knowledge, help and or google foo, and that these were problematic hardware setups. Or that you just are not familiar enough, and or could not find the answers to get stuff working. Personally I have not ever had a problem on a multilple amount od computers.
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> of*
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> the simplest problem say a graphic driver will give some a bricked computer, and that is it for them.
[01:42] <kraut2001> well
[01:42] <kraut2001> i'm reasonably savvy
[01:42] <kraut2001> i have done a dual boot
[01:46] <kraut2001> partitioning a separate boot sector for ubuntu
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> Not saying you aren't it is the question that is impossible to answer without a list of the hardware on those 4 computers.
[01:46] <kraut2001> ok, that makes sense, but I guess thats why I ask whether it is "typical", let me be more specific-- is it "typical" to have a computer brick on a fresh install after two days, when all the hardware appears to work fine and all you have done is install a couple of programs through the software center?
[01:46] <kraut2001> i guess I'm trying to get a sense about whether this will be a constant struggle to get hardware to work, or whether my current predicament is an aberration of the usual low-hassle experience
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> I can't really answer that myself, sounds like a situation I have never encountered is all to me, but a number of the computers I have and do use are a few years old, so drivers are all available with standard installs.
[01:48] <kraut2001> ya, my laptop is almost three years old
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> I have no nvidia for example
[01:49] <kraut2001> i know there is a known issue that has not been completely resolved with the REALTEK wifi chipset in it
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> I'm using a toshiba a205 right now a laptop.
[01:49] <kraut2001> but also it just randomly freaked out on the last install and now its unbootable on the ubuntu size
[01:49] <kraut2001> side*
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> but the other OS works?
[01:50] <kraut2001> i'm on an a505
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> is the ubuntu a wubi install?
[01:50] <kraut2001> no
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> you using grub to boot into the other OS if there is one?
[01:51] <kraut2001> nope
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> is there another OS
[01:51] <kraut2001> i manually partitioned separate boot sector for ubuntu
[01:51] <kraut2001> and i used a utulity to modify windows boot sector
[01:51] <kraut2001> so that i boot to grub from the windows booter
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> so you have a windows setup cool were you using grub or easybcd
[01:51] <kraut2001> then boot to ubuntu
[01:52] <kraut2001> easybcd yes
[01:52] <kraut2001> and its really odd because the install always works great, and I work really productive and responsive for a few days
[01:52] <kraut2001> and then always without fail something happens out of the blue
[01:52] <kraut2001> like the wifi starts cutting out
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> ahh I would look there on any errors, grub2 is an excellent bootloader if you get a kernel update I believe you have top reload the easybcd to get the ubuntu boot not sure though, personally I just use grub.
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> to*
[01:53] <kraut2001> or this last time it won't boot normally and gives me some error about unrecognized devices but I have never added devices
[01:53] <kraut2001> i was using grub before
[01:54] <kraut2001> but then i realized if it was on my boot sector i couldn't completely wipe ubuntu
[01:54] <kraut2001> without losting my boot sector
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> kraut2001, I would just instal grub to the mbr with a chroot, purge the original grub and reinstall as well, this is all rather easy.
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> purge grub first from the ubuntu and then reload it then stick grub in the mbr and see if it works fine. the os-prober in grub2 will find windows and boot it.
[01:56] <kraut2001> well anyway, I don't know that that would solve the problem
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> you could download supergrub and see if you can boot into ubuntu first
[01:57] <kraut2001> because last time I reinstalled with the same setup i have now, it worked fine
[01:57] <kraut2001> for a few days
[01:57] <kraut2001> well i can boot ubuntu in safe mode
[01:57] <kraut2001> i just don't know what the heck to do with it
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> IT may be that using easybcd and getting a kernel update messed with the easybcd
[01:57] <kraut2001> hmm
[01:58] <kraut2001> i don't see how
[01:58] <kraut2001> because
[01:58] <kraut2001> it ran fine after reboots
[01:58] <kraut2001> after updats
[01:58] <kraut2001> i only did one update, and it booted fine after that
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> O wopuld not bother with easybcd it is a waste of time to be honest grub works fine, and the MS bootloader can be loaded to the mbr with one command as well from a recovery or install disc
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> I*
[01:58] <kraut2001> well I have already done that, actually
[01:59] <kraut2001> it may be "easy" but it is also quite a waste of time, no disrespect for grub but that was how my first installation was set up and it crashed too
[01:59] <kraut2001> anyway, i guess I'm getting a little off topic here, because really I just want to build a new computer
[02:00] <kraut2001> and i want to be sure that I won't have any major hardware issues
[02:04] <kraut2001> ok, i found the certified component catalog, i will probably pick stuff from there, if they aren't all old
[07:20] <EcoTort> Hi, I am trying to install ubuntu using the windows installer, getting an error message after 6 tries always the same message:
[07:21] <EcoTort> the message is IMAGE NOT FOUND
[20:08] <ubuntujube> i am havin trouble wrappin my head around installing a package, using ubuntu 12.04 lts and the package is java 7, i down loaded the tar and used 7zip, but the instructions that come with arent working?
[21:43] <Wenchie> Hello! I want to stop the password reqirement when my computer wakes up.  How do I do this?
[21:50] <Unit193> I have it in the power manager settings under Xfce, shouldn't be too different in Unity.
[21:59] <Wenchie> I found where to set the timers for suspend and dim and such, but I can't find where to deactivate the password
[22:00] <geirha> system settings -> brightness and lock
[22:01] <geirha> -> [ ] Require my password when waking from suspend
[22:03] <Wenchie> I don't have a brightness and lock option, but I found something that may help in the screensaver section.  I disabled the "lock when screensaver is active"
[22:03] <geirha> Older Ubuntu release?
[22:04] <Wenchie> ummmm
[22:04] <Wenchie> 11 something
[22:04] <Wenchie> I just installed it yesterday
[22:05] <geirha> So either 11.04 Natty Narwhal or 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot
[22:06] <Wenchie> I started with 10 - a friend gave me the disk - and it immediately prompted me to upgrade to 11
[22:06] <Wenchie> where do I look?
[22:06] <geirha> 11.04 then, released april 2011. It'll be supported until october 2012
[22:07] <geirha> the version is yy.mm
[22:07] <Wenchie> wait!  There was a prompt to upgrade to Oneiric Ocelot when I logged in a little while ago.
[22:08] <Wenchie> so each version is supported for 18 months?
[22:09] <geirha> Yes, except LTS (Long Term Support) releases, which are supported for 3 years. 5 years for the server edition
[22:09] <geirha> 6.06, 8.04, 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS releases
[22:09] <Wenchie> ok thanks
[22:10] <geirha> You can upgrade from one LTS release to another
[22:10] <geirha> next LTS release will be 14.04
[22:10] <Wenchie> Are the LTS releases free too?
[22:11] <geirha> yes
[22:11] <Wenchie> wow that's really nice to know thanks!
[22:11] <geirha> every fourth release is an LTS. If you don't want to bother with upgrading that often, stick with LTS releases
[22:12] <Wenchie> so when I am prompted to upgrade, I can skip it?
[22:14] <Wenchie> thank you so much :)  I am downloading 12.04