[07:11] Morning all [07:15] good morning everyone, [07:34] mgdm: \o/ Perl ;) [07:34] morning all [07:35] Perl :*( [07:35] morning MartijnVdS [07:43] good morning pretties [07:46] Morning young ladie! [07:46] lady* === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [07:54] morning chrisccoulson [07:54] morning christel [07:55] sorry chrisccoulson [08:04] hello brobostigon \o/ [08:04] and diplo :D [08:04] diplo: i love you (for calling me YOUNG) [08:04] hello christel \o/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:07] :) [08:08] see, now i am in a cheerful mood! well done :D [08:13] Going on my first proper date since splitting with my ex tonight [08:13] * diplo is the very scared person. [08:13] * diplo has never really ever 'dated' [08:14] oooh [08:14] exciting [08:14] diplo, what you doing? meal? drink? [08:14] tell me about her (the date) and what you guys are planning :) [08:14] Drink [08:14] I'm driving, so a singular drink so no help in the scared bit :) [08:15] :S [08:15] Just meeting up as friends to see if it's easier, I'm honestly petrified.. my heart hasn't stopped pounding since it was confirmed :) [08:16] Just chat and get to know each other, she has 3 kids and from dating site seems we are on the same page on most things on what to do with life etc [08:16] So I'm hoping it all just flows. [08:29] Exactly what we both said when messaging each other [08:29] Still doesn't make me feel any more confident, bit like meeting you guys [08:29] :) [08:29] oimon, what's new in ff 15? [08:29] as long as she doesn't look like popey in a bad wig, you'll be fine [08:29] I *used* to be this really confident guy :/ [08:30] O_O [08:30] aw! stop putting yourself down, you're funny and smart and kind of cute and we all enjoyed meeting you! [08:30] or even me in a good wig [08:30] heh, well I've met popey but still not sure I'd like to see him in a wig :P [08:30] only on weekends [08:30] popey, Mozilla says they have "now plugged the main cause of memory leaks in Firefox add-ons." Add-ons commonly hold extra copies of sites in memory when they don't need to, and the browser now has a mechanism to detect this and reclaim the memory. Another significant improvement is the addition of native support for compressed textures in WebGL, which is a boost for high-res 3D gaming [08:30] how you installing it? [08:31] dist-upgrade [08:31] cool [08:31] * popey dist-upgrades [08:31] guys, is there a social-networking site like diaspora, open-source, protect and honor our privacy but that can connect with other services such as Google- and fciabook. What I loathe is "lock-in" where, whether its skype [good example] users are locked-in to one app or service to access other users /friends using that particular app/service [08:31] btw they are moving to silent update model, probably on other platforms though i guess [08:31] livingdaylight, no [08:32] shame, its what I'd love to see [08:32] ta christel :) [08:32] I hate lock-in and having to join x or y service to communicate with people just coz they're on skype, fciabook or whatever [08:33] It was great meeting you guys, really must do it more often but it's also a fair way to travel :) [08:33] meh [08:33] yeah, that was a bit of a trek! :) [08:33] I don't mind driving, easier at the beginning of the month when I'm more flush with the cash though :D === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:34] is it cheaper on the train? [08:35] stupid question, of course it isnt [08:35] heh yeah stupid question, I did look tbh and thought sod that [08:36] ello ello [08:36] I watch an old TopGear the other night, they bought a car and travelled from London to Manc and back incl fuel for less money than the train ticket [08:36] It's ridiculous how much it costs now [08:36] Hi czajkowski [08:36] diplo: yes but it also depends on how you drive [08:36] breaking changing gears reving etc [08:36] c [08:36] * diplo is getting older now, slow and steady! [08:37] yeah, breaking is overrated. Should never do it. [08:46] damn, it has just started raining, and i have alot to do today. [08:46] :( [08:47] morning czajkowski! [08:48] ello my dear [08:49] how art thou? :) [08:57] * MartijnVdS +circles christel [08:57] oh hot! :D [08:58] christel: \o/ G+ ;) [09:02] Good morning, from a cold and rainy Derby! :-/ [09:04] Good morning, from a nice and sunny Amsterdam! :) [09:04] :( [09:04] it is raining quite heavily here. [09:10] and here near bath :( [09:12] it drizzled a tad earlier but no rain atm [09:12] good morning JamesTait! [09:12] Good morning, christel! I thought you were ignoring me. :-P [09:13] never! i <3 you! [09:14] christel: Of course you do! :-P [09:15] OK, from heavy to torrential now :( [09:20] :D [09:25] many londoners are not expecting rain today, unless they stash their rain coats and umbrellae at work [09:25] my phone app says differently [09:26] * jpds just carries the umbrella in his backpack. [09:27] lots of people on the station had tshirts but no bags [09:27] maybe they work next to the station at one end and live next to the station at the other [09:32] weather confuses me [09:32] i notice the USC has really changed lately. lots of proprietary apps, free version of paid apps , etc [09:33] much more like android app store === It is now known as Guest63484 [09:50] where's Azelphur ? http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/08/29/0349226/large-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-collapses-with-a-loss-of-56-million?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 [10:02] Morning all [10:04] has anyone here dealt with PHP XML before? [10:10] czajkowski: PROD, PROD, PROD etc till you respond [10:18] davmor2: ello [10:19] czajkowski: you live and interact with the t'interweb and everything ello [10:24] popey, you said, no, but what about Friendica? [10:26] looks like one of many sites that post to multiple social networks [10:26] there's lots of them [10:26] popey: what you doing looking for a social networking name? [10:26] no [10:26] not me [10:27] certainly an interesting option, have you tried it livingdaylight ? [10:31] popey, looking at it now for the first time - looks interesting but looks like one has to either join through somoene one already knows or create one's own server [10:32] davmor2, i came in earlier asking whether there was an open-source alternative to FB that posts to multiple network sites and thus avoids the limitation of "lock-in" and the google/fb herd [10:33] davmor2: ok.. [10:33] facebook allows you to download all your data [10:33] so does google+ [10:33] problem solved [10:33] g+, twitter, facebook is built on opensource, [10:34] i go to fb to post pictures of my kids to my family, to g+ to read about tech news, and twitter to laugh at the angry people [10:35] I generally post the same stuff to all three, but keep some techy stuff off facebook [10:35] I'm tempted to reign in my facebook friends now and then, but meh [10:36] i dont have work colleagues on fb, only ex ones [10:36] since i keep in touch by sitting next to them [10:41] oimon: Exactly the same [10:42] and same as popey, mines friends/family and ex work colleagues [10:42] i have a few random community people on my fb [10:43] we have a private group on fb for the school year Sam is in [10:43] which we use to share school pics [10:43] fb is out of control. a) one has to constantly keep track of what they're doing coz security "goal-posts" shift constantly and b) friendlists get silly too and all the spam to this farm game or the other c) don't like zuckerberg and fb [10:44] fb is as out of control as you let it get [10:44] I've only got about 60-70 people on my friends list [10:44] I prefer to support non-corporate and foss where I can [10:44] as do I [10:45] but there's a problem when your wife / friends are on the other network [10:45] Problem is livingdaylight most others won't. People need to make money.. things can't stay free forever. [10:45] livingdaylight: the issue is you'll never find all your friends geek and non geek on a network that isn't popular. For example FB and twitter for me are friends far and wide from all circles G+ is almost all Ubuntu/Canonical people and nothing else [10:45] popey, exactly, that's why I hoped to still be in contact with those that choose fb but via proxy. Some other site that doesn't tell us what to choose [10:45] I had someone on my list complaining about FB changing things, if you paid for the service I'd understand or had shares but it's all free [10:46] but you still have to have a fb account livingdaylight [10:46] even if you use a 3rd party site [10:46] how do you opt out of the face tracking database on fb? [10:46] hrmmm, fair-enough [10:46] oimon, its in timeline and tagging, in account security i think [10:47] Who sees tag suggestions when photos that look like you are uploaded? [10:47] popey, found it, was set to no one cheers [10:47] remember that case a while back where twitter was forced to handover information about somone in Iceland coz of something controversial? I don't know whether it was wikileaks-related? while back now, but, I just don't like all dem corporations in the pockets of the powers that be [10:48] not that I, personally, am doing anything untoward ^^ [10:48] just the principle [10:49] what annoys me is when friend click like on big corporates who are then allowed to spam my feed with sponsored links [10:49] why am I NOT doing anything untoward? .. what kind of rubbish activist am I hrmph [10:49] :) [10:49] heh [10:50] I just hide all from said thing oimon, and if someones that bad, defriend them or move them into a group and hide notifications [10:50] diplo, you can't hide sponsored links, [10:50] only one-by-one after viewing it [10:50] not en-masse [10:50] ABP blocks them i think ? [10:50] fb needs an AdBlock plugin, lol [10:50] on the right ? [10:50] or in your news feed ? [10:50] diplo, no, in the news feed [10:51] Hmm, maybe I don't have such annoying people as you :D [10:51] e.g. friend likes a certain car manufacturer, they make a sponsored post, which appears within my feed [10:51] unblockable [10:51] One guy used to spam youtube links once a week ALL night until someone complained [10:51] since it's a fb story [10:51] oh, don't really get that. [10:52] i know people like that. i block or block videos from them [10:52] Well he complained about your issue above to a load of his friends and they complained about youtubes so I think they came to a mutual agreement :) [10:53] i really wish xchat didn't give diplo and oimon the same colour, they both use lower case and have the same number of letters. just assumed oimon was talking to himself until i realised [10:54] i am grey and diplo is gren [10:54] you are grey because you are you :P [10:54] you are both green here [10:54] I'm white and oimon is dark green, gord is bright green :P [10:54] hey, gord and diplo are the same colour [10:55] xchat fail [10:55] does it take a hash of the letter values? [10:56] only seems to have about 10 colours, unlike pidgin [10:56] everyone is blue except me; I'm grey [10:56] i think its like 16. so imagine a 4bit hash ;) lots of collisions [11:01] slow day at work [11:01] not sure what i'm supposed to be doing :S [11:01] I just can't get going :/ [11:01] All week! [11:01] :P [11:13] think i'll have lunch to kickstart my brain [11:23] http://lifehacker.com/5938721/nvpy-brings-notational-velocity%20style-note%20taking-to-all-platforms << stores in cloud storage for you [11:25] a note taking app with cloud storage? it's genius! we should have an app like that in a default ubuntu install! [11:25] it appears some people don't like tomboy [11:26] i work with some monotards [11:28] people shouldn't get desks next to ac units. it gives them the idea that they own it [11:43] oimon, ubuntu should really sync with cloud for notes... my iPhone and Windows 8 automatically syncs with my google notes/calender account === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:21] Right shirt and trousers bought for tonight, suppose I better start working now [13:25] my! you are pushing the boat all the way out for this date! :D [13:27] Well I needed trousers, so just a new shirt [13:27] Got impress [13:28] wearing a shirt and trousers instead of just turning up in your boxers? fancy [13:28] Got to* [13:48] hehe [13:52] picking a quietish pub? [13:52] or one with music? [13:55] Quiet oimon, part restaurant [13:55] Can't stand loud pubs anyhow, <-- Old :) [13:55] Well feel it sometimes. === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [14:06] remember not to moan about stuff or express opinions really strongly [14:06] after a day at work i have pent up rage at all the stupidity i have witnessed. [14:09] yeah that's why I waited so long, get the ex out of my system so it doesn't come up in conversation :) [14:09] haha, I've just had a cathartic conversation along those lines [14:15] is switching to oocalc totally totally broken in unity for anyone else? [14:20] sorry don't use unity [14:22] directhex, define broken? [14:23] popey, as in i can't switch to LO from the dock (or whatever it's called). clicking it, as with alt-tabbing to it, does nothing. re-opening the file from the dash recent documents section switches fine though [14:23] * davmor2 randomly picks on bigcalm as to where he is sciving off to [14:28] directhex, is there a "pip" next to the LO icon in the launcher? [14:28] little triangle on th left, and one on the right when it's highlighted? [14:28] also, has bamfdaemon crashed? [14:28] also, have you updated and not restarted session recently? [14:29] popey, unfilled pip to the left (usually denotes it being on another workspace iirc). pip on the right when actually the active window [14:29] yes, unfilled means the window is elsewhere [14:29] popey, it's been like this for days, with no backups, and plenty of reboots [14:29] is it multi-screen? [14:29] christel: Anyway what happened to our postcard? :D [14:30] popey, technically there are 2 displays. one is turned off in the displays setup [14:30] ok [14:30] i believe it's a multiscreen bug [14:30] i see it too sometimes when i undock my laptop [14:31] so technically no second screen, but the pips are still wrong [14:31] it's the minecraft lwjgl bug :| [14:31] bug 1024101 [14:31] Launchpad bug 1024101 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pips show incorrect status after attaching or detatching second screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024101 === Ng_ is now known as Ng [14:39] popey, except i boot with screens set up this way, and don't dock/undock. i get the issue permanently [14:40] strange [14:41] oimon, maybe Azelphur _is_ pirate, and he's left the country with all the money! [14:46] popey: haha [14:46] not quite :P [14:46] i see people still refusing to accept it's a ponzi scheme [14:47] popey: there's still no evidence to say that it is yet, he's still active, still communicating, and still clearly stating he's intending to pay out (why would he do that if it was a ponzi scheme?) [14:47] to keep people at bay [14:47] because he thinks its funny? [14:47] so he gets a chance to see his coins and get out before people can track him down and sue him [14:47] s/see/sell/ [14:47] what's a ponzi scheme? [14:48] *shrug* [14:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme [14:48] davmor2: i sent it! [14:48] popey: I don't stand to loose a whole lot if it goes south anyway, I have my ass reasonably well covered. [14:48] well, I know what one is... I meant, what are you guys talking about? [14:48] as is always sensible with things like this :) [14:48] last I checked there was some screen bug discussion [14:48] ahh, the old screen-bug ponzi scheme scam [14:48] oldest trick in the book [14:49] heh [14:49] ... indeed, I'm going to go plan one right now! [14:49] popey: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82573.msg1141682#msg1141682 is the latest btw (that's communication between pirate and passthrough maintainers) [14:51] maybe mining the coins was a calculation someone wanted to do, and the ponzi scheme was just a cover up [14:52] KrimZon_2: someone needs to keanu meme that :p [14:53] but yea, me and my upstream are still reasonably confident people will get their money back. Seems like I made the smart move to not bank with Chaang :P [14:56] christel: yeah, yeah we believe you ;) [15:01] haha no i did! :P [15:03] christel: in that case I blame the viking postal service, they should get some extra oars :D [15:05] haha [15:05] i only sent it the day before i left admittedly :P [15:07] christel: Man that late you could of bought it back with you and dropped it down the road quicker :D [15:07] haha true! [15:07] i was busy! [15:07] doing norwegians [15:07] err norwegian things [15:20] hahaha [15:23] lol [15:28] hrm hrm where do i keep my stash of passports?! [15:35] christel: you make it sound like you have 4-5 in case a spy mission happen to get called in :) [15:35] only 3! [15:40] i need to send one off (for some reason converting my FORRIN drivers license to a UK one means the DVLA demands to see my passport as well as my foreign drivers license) [15:41] so i need to send one of my spares in case they lose it [15:41] (i have spares because the norwegian passport office (which is really the police) fail at remembering to take your old one away when you get a new one... ) [15:42] (they are all valid and in my name, just one is super old-fashioned and not machine readable, another one started peeling slightly so the customs guy adviced me to replace it so i did and then they just printed me a new one) [15:43] christel: I read a photo copy of it is ok [15:43] as I'm not posting mine away when I want to convert mine [15:44] * AlanBell thinks christel is really Jason Bourne [15:44] they also just randomly hand them out to Other People -- both times they told me to post my old one to them and then they would post my new one... both times they just gave them to my dad whilst he was there on Other Business and was all "Oh we have your daughter's passport, here"] [15:44] czajkowski: apparently not, it has to be "the original" [15:44] hmmmm [15:44] not entirely sure I want to send mine [15:44] i considered going to have a certified photocopy made at some random solicitor's office or something but The Lady On The Phone said they required sight of the original [15:45] AlanBell: does that excite you? [15:45] also, where can i take passport photos for said converted license? [15:46] Paralympic opening ceremony this evening [15:46] :) [15:46] bestest place for passport photos is the camera shop on Downing Street [15:46] danke <3 [15:48] how can i access itunesU on android/linux? [15:49] oimon: ituneswhat? [15:49] it's a university service for downloading lectuers, except that it uses itunes store [15:49] *le shuddre* [15:50] how was the seaside AlanBell [15:51] it was boats rather than beach, HMS Warrior and HMS Victory [15:51] aha:) [15:52] kind of interesting [15:52] Right, off home.. maybe catch you guys later [15:52] \o diplo [16:37] hello [16:37] hi [16:45] diplo: enjoy your date! :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:32] hi all [17:33] lo [17:33] gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing on my Ubuntu 12.04 box, do you have a similar experience? I noticed there are some bugs on launchpad but they're all from around April, do you know if anything new has come out? Or is it something to do with my configuration? [17:33] hi popey [17:34] pr0ph3t: I've seen that happen.. but no solution :( [17:35] MartijnVdS, right, thanks. Does your gtk theme reset as well? I get the crash quite regularly after an hours or so of being logged, that's why I thought it could have something to do with my configuration files being outdated or from older versions [17:40] pr0ph3t: yes, the GTK theme is part of what g-s-d manages [17:41] and configs should auto-upgrade [17:41] is it normal that it happened with Gnome shell too? Can gnome-settings-daemon be removed? What would be the consequences? Maybe I could remove it and re-install it, but would that remove the config files as well or should I do that manually? [17:42] gnome-settings-daemon can't easily be removed [17:42] but [17:43] you can start it in a terminal, with debug flags, to see what goes wrong [17:51] I installed 12.04 when it was in alpha and continued to upgrade, maybe something went wrong in the process [17:52] pr0ph3t: you'll know if you run it with --debug [17:53] I did it, I have the file [17:53] can you pastebin it? [17:55] http://pastebin.com/SBp7a5A3 [17:55] ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3384): DEBUG: Shutting down [17:55] wut [17:55] it's not even crashing [17:55] it's cleanly shutting down [17:56] yup [17:59] I'd file a bug :) [17:59] Or blame popey [17:59] pr0ph3t: oh wait [17:59] you could [17:59] create a new user [17:59] and log in as them [17:59] see if they have the same problem [17:59] or login as guest [17:59] or that [17:59] evening popey :) [18:02] I hope I did cancel guest access, I'll try one of the two and will let you know in a few hours, it does take a while usually. Thanks popey, MartijnVdS [18:03] it could be one program misbehaving that triggers it [18:04] I've had problems with vlc making the window-decorator crash when I had the overlay-scrollbar installed [18:08] re all [18:08] \o pr0ph3tguest [18:08] the test is underway [18:10] Right, 'night all! [18:10] * JamesTait waves [18:16] JamesTait: early? [18:49] MartijnVdS, it seems to be doing fine now logged in as a guest [18:49] although it hasn't even been an hour yet [19:03] so if all is fine with a different user what should I do to "fix" my other user too? [19:05] night all [19:06] \o Dave2 [19:06] uhjr [19:06] davmor2, but he's gone [19:08] MartijnVdS, what should I do then? Delete all config files from the other user? [19:08] pr0ph3tguest: not all.. but I don't know which ones [19:08] look around ~/.config [19:31] Stephen Hawking \o/ [19:31] where? [19:31] * jacobw looks around for him [19:32] channel 4 [19:32] paralympic opening ceremony === sam_nazarko is now known as Guest17128 [19:54] yay for the Paralympics \o/ [19:54] bbc1 ,sir patrick stwert, :) [19:58] ah === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [20:09] wow, i would so love to meet him. [20:47] is AlanBell at the opening ceremony? [20:48] nope, just watching on the telly [20:48] damn. a window somehow has gone above the screen now I cant move / resize it [20:50] AlanBell: yay! [20:50] yay indeed Pendulum [20:51] there are still tickets for stuff if people want a cheap fun day out [20:51] but relatively few tickets :) [20:52] any ideas how I can get it back down? http://i.imgur.com/YG26a.jpg [20:52] alt+space, then M to move [20:52] then use arrow keys to move it [20:52] yes, nearly all sold out. Boccia is a good one (or anything at ExCeL because there are 6 sports on and you get an all day pass to all of them) [20:52] or use ALT+mouse [20:53] popey: genius :D [20:53] popey: btw, after the M the window is locked to the mouse so just moving that does the trick. cheers [20:53] nice [20:59] another ww2 man, like my mums father. [21:24] evening all [21:24] what is yuck? [21:29] maple syrup on bacon could be considered yuck [21:29] I mean the application [21:31] I think its some sort of customization thingummy [21:31] thingy [21:31] !info yuck [21:31] Package yuck does not exist in precise [21:31] probably some kind of reference to yum, which is the redhat package manager thing [21:33] mabe I'm getting the name worng, its some sort of customization kit for ubuntu [21:43] uck! [21:43] !info uck [21:43] uck (source: uck): Tool to customize official Ubuntu Live CDs. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.5-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 179 kB, installed size 412 kB [21:43] that's the one === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [22:21] I wonder if they can train every sport announcer in the world to put in the words "for those who can" before "please stand for x anthem" [22:22] it would appear to be just as valid for all occasions really [22:42] evening all [22:43] o/ davmor2 [22:44] I'm having a play with the new accounts stuff on quantal [22:44] irc in empathy seems to of improved a bit [22:45] I mean it's still sucky but it's 100% better than it was [22:56] oh well time for night nights