[11:54] <rick_h_> morning
[11:54] <rick_h_> long CHC tonight
[11:56] <snap-l> w00t
[12:07] <snap-l> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/4805 <- Check the Rights and Access portion of this recording
[12:08] <snap-l> 1915, and they still claim copyright
[12:08] <snap-l> What the fuck.
[12:10] <brousch> Your art should provide for your great, great grandchildren or it's not worth doing
[12:13] <snap-l> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/1 <- 1902, and still protected.
[12:15] <snap-l> Well, there goes one of the ideas for my classical podcast
[12:16] <brousch> Make your own music, thief!
[12:17] <snap-l> Sure thing. Let me first resurrect Sergei Rachmaninoff and I'll get right on recording him
[12:22] <brousch> Kickstart that shit!
[12:24] <snap-l> Thank you. Just tweeted that.
[12:29] <brousch> What is ht?
[12:29] <snap-l> Hat Tip
[12:29] <brousch> ah
[12:42] <rick_h_> man, this is nuts: http://goo.gl/kxTzA
[12:43] <rick_h_> I know what I'm going to do, forget beach comber, I want to just quit and go become a bomb hunter
[12:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: War is never as clean and tidy as people might be lead to believe
[12:44] <snap-l> I'm sure your children's children will be dealing with unexploded ordinance from the early 20th century.
[12:52] <rick_h_> reminder all, CHC early tonight snap-l Blazeix widox PainBank
[12:52] <rick_h_> derekv: ^^
[13:01] <widox> woo
[13:02] <widox> rick_h_: offer still available to borrow a keyboard or two?
[13:02] <rick_h_> widox: oh, yea thanks for reminding me
[13:02] <rick_h_> I'll stack them by the door
[13:02] <widox> sweet, thanks
[13:06] <brousch> snap-l: Ug, we need an earlier time for the jam
[13:11] <snap-l> brousch: If someone can come through, that would be awesome
[13:16] <jrwren> i forgot it is open week. was there any good content yesterday?
[13:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: no idea, I should be ashamed
[13:17] <jrwren> snap-l: do teh podcast, wiat for (C) holders to invoke their rights.
[13:18] <jrwren> snap-l: if you don't want the liability, do the podcast under my name, I'll pay you to do it, so the liability is mine :p
[13:19] <jrwren> s/open week/developer week/
[13:19] <derekv> rick_h_: retweeted.
[13:19] <derekv> will try to make it
[13:19] <derekv> i have worky work to do but maybe i can find a way to bring some of it
[13:20] <jrwren> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek  looks like the things i'm interested in are today.
[13:20] <rick_h_> derekv: hah, we had a buy bring dev tv tuner hardware to work on at CHC so surely your work can travel :P
[13:21] <snap-l> jrwren: Heh
[13:21] <rick_h_> oh hmm, I should have checked out the arm stuff yesterday
[13:21] <rick_h_> I keep almost hitting buy on one of those arm 1U boxes on newegg
[13:22] <brousch> You don't need one. Use your phone
[13:22] <rick_h_> maybe juju today
[13:22] <rick_h_> my phone can't run jenkins :P
[13:22] <rick_h_> or more like...I don't want my phone running jenkins
[13:22] <jrwren> any pythonistas use buildbot ?
[13:22] <rick_h_> launchpad is on it :(
[13:23] <rick_h_> but one day we're supposed to get from it to jenkins
[13:23] <rick_h_> maybe in 2015
[13:23] <jrwren> why not enhance buildbot.
[13:23] <rick_h_> because it's fail
[13:23] <jrwren> fix it?
[13:23] <jrwren> or would it be better to restart?
[13:23] <rick_h_> and jenkins is better and it's use is the new standard
[13:23] <jrwren> true, but jre makes me cry.
[13:24] <rick_h_> you'll cry less than buildbot will make you cry
[13:24] <brousch> Pure Python all the things!
[13:24] <rick_h_> and it's much more active, supported, and lots of pretty features
[13:24] <rick_h_> bah, language snobs fail :P
[13:24] <jrwren> good answers.
[13:24] <rick_h_> as long as I don't have to dev for it :)
[13:24] <jrwren> its more the runtime than the langauge that bugs me.
[13:25] <jrwren> I feel like considering a software's pedigree should slightly impact decision to use it.
[13:25] <rick_h_> the software or the language?
[13:25] <rick_h_> I guess are we talking about jenkins or jre when you say that?
[13:26] <jrwren> jre
[13:27] <derekv> my head frikn hurts
[13:29] <derekv> i'm having one of those mornings where it feels like my soul is lagging somewhat behing my mind, which is lagging far behind my body, which is barely moving
[13:31] <jrwren> i never did get the hang of wednesdays.
[13:33] <rick_h_> http://www.lematinal.com/mobile/technologie/18274-Samsung-Pays-Apple-1-Billion-Sending-30-Trucks-Full-of-5-Cents-Coins.html lmao!!!!!
[13:46] <derekv> i wish
[13:51] <snap-l> taking fatherinlaw to hospital
[13:51] <rick_h_> everything ok?
[13:51] <jjesse> oh no
[13:51] <jjesse> hope things are ok
[13:51] <snap-l> can't walk, but otherwise ok
[14:02] <jjesse> rick_h_ while that samsung story would be assume, they are appealing the deal right?  so it can't be true that they are paying
[14:03] <rick_h_droid> jjesse yea didn't verify it but made me smile
[14:04] <rick_h_droid> http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/read/samsung-is-not-paying-apple-1-05-billion-in-coins/019178
[14:14] <snap-l> oh pshaw
[15:05] <brousch> Do you go back after a pip freeze and remove dependencies that were added by the packages you actually added?
[15:06] <brousch> Like I install localwiki, which installs django-honeypot. Should I go into the requirements.txt and remove django-honeypot?
[15:06] <rick_h_> don't store the pip freeze in those cases
[15:07] <rick_h_> manually make sure you keep up your setup.py and requirements.txt and that you have a builder that runs tests to make sure your project builds with the right deps
[15:07] <rick_h_> because if you get an updated django-honeypot, but they update a dep, and you've got it locked from a previous pip freeze, you can break things in crazy ways
[15:08] <rick_h_> pip freeze is a helpful tool, but I'm against pip freeze > requirements.txt unless you're doing it from master to production and you rerun that process after successful builds down the road
[15:10] <brousch> Interesting
[15:10] <brousch> So you manually build your requirements.txt?
[15:10] <rick_h_> it started out from a pip freeze, but yes, I manually change it from now on
[15:11] <brousch> Ug, this thing needs solr
[15:11] <rick_h_> hah
[15:12] <brousch> This is abig ang gnarly as Bookie :P
[15:12] <brousch> Darn complicated programs needing a bunch of dependencies
[15:12] <rick_h_> even bookie does't need solr :P and it has a makefile to make life easier
[15:12] <brousch> Yeah, I'm building a makefile for our localwiki instance
[15:13] <rick_h_> wtf...this honeypot thing needs solr?
[15:13] <brousch> No, localwiki needs it
[15:13] <rick_h_> oic
[15:13] <rick_h_> yea, that's what I've been avoiding with bookie. Getting tied to only fulltext search implementation
[15:13] <rick_h_> interfaces ftw
[15:13] <brousch> Have to start up a solr server now
[15:15] <rick_h_> there are a few services for running solr as a service
[15:15] <rick_h_> but ugh
[15:15] <brousch> they use jetty
[15:18] <shakes808> Good morning all
[15:19] <shakes808> Sorry for the delay. Got in a car accident this morning on my way to work.
[15:20] <shakes808> And I won't be at CHC tonight. I have to go meet up with my son's first grade teacher on the other end of town (harrison township) :(
[15:25] <snap-l> shakes808: sorry to hear that
[15:38] <snap-l> Sitting in the emergency room.
[15:38] <shakes808> You are sitting in the ER?
[15:39] <snap-l> father in law is in the emergency room
[15:39] <shakes808> Sorry to hear that
[15:40] <shakes808> What for if you don't mind me asking?
[15:40] <snap-l> np. Happens.
[15:40] <snap-l> Leg pain
[15:40] <shakes808> Hope it is nothing serious.
[15:48] <snap-l> Hope so too.
[15:48] <snap-l> We'll see.
[16:50] <greg-g> anyone experience stupid behavior from Chromium in GNOME Shell? As in, it starts maximized on my laptop screen, I want to alt-drag it to my monitor, in doing so, it goes full screen, so I hit F11 to exit that, and it goes back over to my laptop.
[16:50] <greg-g> good thing I only use Chromium for flash videos, goo.gl, and pr0... er... nothing else
[16:53] <snap-l> greg-g: I'm sure the GNOME Shell developer have a perfectly reasoned out reason fr it doing that.
[16:54] <brousch> Welcome to Gnome3!
[16:54] <Blazeix> well, your average user doesn't use maximize, so you're really testing out the edge-cases of the system.
[16:54] <Blazeix> it's going to be deprecated in version 3.5
[16:55] <brousch> Are you being sarcastic?
[16:56] <snap-l> The average user also thinks Windows is just ducky
[16:59] <greg-g> snap-l: Fx does the right thing, along with all other apps, it is just Chromium
[16:59] <greg-g> brousch: ^
[17:00] <snap-l> hurm
[17:00] <snap-l> Chrome also does some weird things with window barriers
[17:00] <snap-l> s/barriers/borders/
[17:01] <snap-l> Did you try native?
[17:04] <shakes808> rick_h_: You available? JS question.
[17:07] <brousch> Son of a ... solr is 87MB. Is git going to be mad about that in my repo?
[17:10] <brousch> Wait, I should download it as part of the dev setup
[17:10] <greg-g> native?
[17:11] <snap-l> greg-g: There's a switch to use the naitve borders
[17:11]  * greg-g looks in a second
[17:11] <greg-g> snap-l: that was the issue
[17:12] <snap-l> ;)
[17:14] <greg-g> that's understandable then
[18:52] <rick_h_> heh, time for a new camera http://goo.gl/GlmrW
[19:04] <greg-g> whoa, for real? nice
[19:10] <jrwren> how can I tell a new style class v. old style class at runtime?
[19:10] <jrwren> <class 'mod.blah'> is newstyle, right?
[19:10] <jrwren> oh, nevermind.
[19:12] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/768/ jrwren
[19:25] <jrwren> and if you had typed just Test to eval the class object, you would have got <class 'Test'>
[19:40] <jcastro> hey rick_h_
[19:40] <jcastro> got that url to those AV guys?
[19:40] <jcastro> they install TVs and stuff too I assume?
[19:47] <snap-l> jcastro: You still need to come over for the Squeezebox demo
[19:47] <snap-l> when you're not farting around witht eh fishes in Atlanta.
[19:48] <snap-l> ;)
[20:18] <Blazeix> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/
[20:19] <greg-g> crazy, eh?
[20:21] <Blazeix> i choose to imagine obama slumped in his chair, cheek on his fist, lazily scrolling though the comments
[20:21] <greg-g> :)
[20:23] <jjesse> and reedit is now dead
[20:23] <brousch> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu reddit is under heavy load right now, sorry. Try again in a few minutes.
[20:23] <jjesse> hrmm just that page
[20:24] <jjesse> i can get other redit pages to load
[20:30] <jjesse> i picture the Reddit servers smoking right now… big heaping piles of waste
[20:32] <Blazeix> reddit runs on EC2, right? are their downtime issues due to a poor architecture or money issues or something?
[20:32] <jjesse> no idea, and i know the servers don't catch on fire or whatever but its fun to picture (at least for me) a rack of servers on fire because of the president showing up on Reddit
[20:33] <greg-g> Blazeix: not quite your image: http://i.imgur.com/oz0a7.jpg
[20:36] <brousch> rick_h_: I done you proud today. One more thing to figure out and this will be a thing of beauty
[20:37] <snap-l> wow
[20:37] <snap-l> that is awesome
[23:05] <dsschnau_> hi... there wouldn't happen to be anyone here at caribou in birmhingham for coffee coders?
[23:06] <rick_h_> boooo
[23:06] <rick_h_> oh yea, we're in the back dsschnau_
[23:07] <dsschnau_> oh cool, one sec
[23:07] <rick_h_> dsschnau_: we're over at the caribou in woodward/13mi
[23:07] <rick_h_> is that birmingham?
[23:07] <dsschnau_> yeah... i'm in the main part
[23:07] <dsschnau_> yeah
[23:07] <rick_h_> dsschnau_: ah cool yea back part
[23:29] <rick_h_> upvotes please http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/z1m4h/what_are_the_most_interesting_pyramid_projects/
[23:29] <rick_h_> see if we can't get another wave :)