[04:20] wrst all day is here? [06:37] wrst: ouch [06:37] xTEMPLARx: some of us have to sleep [06:44] ..followed by night shift [06:46] oh,yeah,it is night where you are? [07:02] its 3am over here [09:21] wb everyone [11:49] wrst how did your mad scientist experiment go? [11:50] ha ha well believe it or not i got it to install upstart remove ugghh the initsysv? and it rebooted :) [11:51] but netritious i was having trbouble with wireless, and yes i know on a server but its what i have and using it to serve a printer [11:51] wireless worked well with arch, but the latest greatest cups didn't like my printer, wireless worked sometimes with debian but not all the time i had difficulty getting it to load the firmware before it tried connectinig [12:43] * wrst looks at xTEMPLARx's direction [13:13] * xTEMPLARx wakes up. [13:18] howdy xTEMPLARx [13:18] g'morning sir :D [13:18] how are you doing? [13:18] a bit tired but i'm otherwise okay, y tu? [13:20] feeling better? [13:22] slowly but surely [13:22] definitely bettr than I was, but the cough and drainage remains [13:22] sorry if TMI [13:24] Canonical needs to hurry up and get FF 15.0 into the repositories [13:26] xTEMPLARx: that's where i miss arch [13:26] and also thats also why i use chrome it stays up to date, i prefer chromium but they sure don't keep it up to date [13:37] I use chrome as well, pretty much always. I'm still a bit curious about FF 15 though [13:37] to see if it's as improved as they claim [13:38] i like firefox and its good [13:38] but i like how the full screen of chrome works now in gnome-shell gives me more screen realestate [13:38] at work i'm using firefox in winders [13:59] I used to use firefox exclusively, but I watched it get more and more bloated, becoming the very thing it railed against at its onset [13:59] Chrome came out, and it wasn't 100% at first, but it's blossomed quite nicely and is a great browser now [14:00] I don't have any reason whatsoever to switch back. I just feel like I almost owe it to them to see if 15 is truly as good as they claim [14:00] I just about always have FF installed on my machines alongside Chrome [14:00] on my windows systems, the only time IE gets launched is when I encounter a website that requires it [14:01] and that is getting fewer and fewer [14:01] thankfully!! [14:01] and really the only reason FF gets launched anymore is if something doesn't work in Chrome and I'm trying to verify that it's the server and not the browser [14:01] wrst agreed [14:01] my company here provides a web GUI product that requires IE still [14:02] based off a product called WebGUI of all things [14:04] ugh [14:05] and really i think the latest IE isn't so bad i don't guess but why chance it [14:05] and really if you have to run commercials for people to use the browser that comes with most computers on the planet, that's probably not a good sign [14:06] i have been playing with a spare box at home now i have quantel server running [14:06] or however you spell the codename for 12.10 [14:58] whee [14:58] NVidia drivers finally crapped and refused to come back up [14:58] quite suspiciously after an update [14:59] an ubuntu update, not the driver [14:59] hrmmmmm [14:59] switched to one of the drivers available in the ubuntu proprietary drivers utility [15:02] ohh so you were running out of repo software xTEMPLARx? shame shame :) [15:04] Pffffft [15:04] it's been rock solid for a loooong time now [15:04] ha well it broke your hamster, hope you are happy :P [15:04] makes me wanna smack dat hamster! [15:04] for being such a wuss, that is [15:05] i'm in unity at the moment, and notifications from Quassel aren't workin' [15:05] hrm [15:19] are you using unity by choice? :) [15:19] xTEMPLARx: [15:19] xTEMPLARx: [15:19] just thought i would help you check your notifications :D [15:46] first switched to it thinking maybe gnome-shell was the root of my problems [15:46] i'm back in shell now [15:46] unity is kinda clunky compared to shell [15:50] yeah unity just isn't for me [15:51] nor for me [15:51] what's funny is i have Shell set up similarly [15:51] but i'm sure its for someone! [15:51] I have the Avant Window Manager bar on the left-hand side [15:51] but it works better than the unity bar [15:51] more intuitive [15:51] i think it would have been interesting to have seen ubuntu switch to kde and see what they would have done with it [15:52] but i just like watching things get changed, crash, and then burn also [15:54] lol [15:54] I so wanted to like KDE [15:58] yes me too but the file browser is awful and really if you can't do that right [15:58] but hey gnome wants rid of the file browser! [16:04] * xTEMPLARx gags a little. [16:04] my linux box isn't an iOS device [16:06] tell me about it! [16:06] wanting to do a search thing, but i know where my files are i don't need to search for them [16:12] exactly [16:13] in a larger filesystem, browsing directly to something can go much quicker than waiting for a search to complete. [16:13] plus, what if i know where the files are, but don't remember the name? [16:29] exactly xTEMPLARx! [16:32] grabbed the net install for 12.04... it won't run in command line mode on this old Dell because it launches into an unknown graphics mode [16:32] how about we just stay in the mode we're in now, that works, instead of getting fancy with it? [16:32] argh [16:38] removed the vga call in the boot string, and we're good now [16:43] Whee! [16:48] wb xTEMPLARx :) [16:51] =] [16:51] Working on a system install in our clean room [16:52] xTEMPx: you the man [16:52] :P [16:55] you installing ubuntu if i read that correctly? [16:55] Si [16:56] ahh nice i thought you were mainly a windows shop [16:56] sorry but my spanish isn't good enough to make many comments [16:58] This is a server for the clean room. Originally running xp but I want a more robust, virus-resistant platform [16:58] you have found it... well about anything [16:58] you could go hardcore adn bsd that bad boy [16:59] Pffft [16:59] you know you want to [17:00] Nay! [17:01] i need my little wireless cards to work i may try bsd next i know i shouldn't have wireless cards in a server but its what i have :) [17:02] Well if you're gonna do it that way you could at least make sure they're supported [17:02] Lol [17:03] xTEMPx: that would be too easy and make sense and cause things to work quickly [17:03] i had it working in debian but half the time it wouldn't load the firmware on boot [17:04] Load...the..firmware? [17:05] yeah had to load a module somethign antoher it was late i needed sleep [17:05] there is an opensource driver for the card but the firmware had to be installed [17:06] One of THOSE deals [17:09] yeah and ubuntu used to work out of the box so i loaded up good ol' 12.04 and found out they have removed support bless their stinkin' cold hearts [17:10] Go back to an earlier LTS release? [17:10] yeah i could but that's no phone i was using arch but the latest cups messed it all up [17:11] i'm using this for a print server i guess i should have started with that [17:11] but the wireless setup was super easy with arch [17:14] so i may go back to arch and figure out why cups blew up on me [17:15] that would be said to try 3 distros and return back to what i started with [17:15] It may prove that switching distros to fix a problem isn't always the answer [17:16] But at least u had fun trying [17:16] well debain worked for 3 days until the power blinked [17:17] then it never worked again :) [17:17] my cards are a little finicky but worked perfectly with arch [17:24] http://i.imgur.com/jBhaf.jpg [17:35] xTEMPLARx: nice :) [17:36] =] [17:37] and xTEMPx looks like freebsd probably supports that card... i cant see how this could go wrong [17:38] if this works i would have a few linux machines my wifes os x and a bsd all sorts of *nixy goodenss [17:38] and *goodness [17:40] I think that if I ever buy another laptop, it'll be a MacBook [17:43] xTEMPx: they are just soooo overpriced [17:43] Agreed [17:43] i can buy like 3 of my laptops for one macbook [17:44] but my wife's macbook is nice [17:44] Same can be said for most of system 76's hardware [17:44] the apple hardware is excellent though [17:46] xTEMPLARx: you have mutliple personalities don't know who to talk to :) but... sys 76 isn't bad when you compare, but i mean i can by foxconn stuff a lot cheaper from newegg when it just says foxconn and not apple [17:47] thing about a macbook is, it's a well-engineered total package [17:48] yeah you can find foxconn pieces/parts on newegg, but not a macbook clone [17:48] i don't see any laptop-related hardware there [17:48] that is true, but my $499 Asus, not hardly so well engineered package will do everything my wife's 1600 well engineered macbook will do [17:48] agreed [17:49] xTEMPLARx: i know but foxconn makes a lot of their stuff and i think tablet stuff in china [17:49] but in terms of laptops [17:50] I dunno... just can't imagine buying another laptop, really, so if I did I'd want something that was rock-solid [17:50] and there are just way too many unknowns in the off-the-shelf laptop world in those lower price ranges [17:50] when i purchase one i try to go for stuff that I know linux works well with but sometimes its hard to find detailed specs [17:53] specs notwithstanding, the big variable I worry about is build quality [17:53] xTEMPLARx: this istn' too bad: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/panp9 [17:53] sure there are reviews and such online, but so many are highly suspect [17:54] i have been very happy with asus stuff its not always the best but i'm not usually unhappy and if i pay under 500 for a laptop i realize its not going to be a tank [17:54] not awful [17:58] no not bad and its helping the linux world out [18:08] i wonder how many systems they sell annually [18:09] system76 that is [18:09] good question [18:11] if i had funds they might sell one more this year that's a nice looking machine [18:11] hello chris4585 [18:12] hey wrst [18:14] chris4585: all going well? [18:15] wrst, awesome, you? [18:15] oh between good and awesome :) [18:15] thanks for asking chris4585 :) [18:16] its just after 2 p.m. [18:16] he wasn't lying! [18:16] that is a good spot to be [18:17] ha ha xTEMPLARx [18:17] =] [18:17] xTEMPLARx, lol I turn off and unplug my computer station before I sleep [18:17] makes sense [18:17] you work from homoe? [18:17] EEK [18:17] home* [18:18] right now no job [18:18] i never turn off a computer until it fries... i might should do that [18:18] wrst: my machines run 24-7 too [18:19] my last desktop machine at the house never got shut off till I shut it off to put my new computer together [18:19] xTEMPLARx: my laptop really doesnt' need to sometimes i read while i'm in bed adn will suspend or power it off but if not its always on [18:19] I use my iPad for that stuff, so it stays on pretty much always [18:19] i have a server that runs 24x7x365(6 if a leap year) [18:22] thats not the one that hosts quassel is it? [18:23] coz if so it goes down sometimes XD [18:23] and dont blame the power company! [18:27] ha ha xTEMPLARx yes that's the one its been on a good streak here recently [18:27] lvm really messed me up [18:27] but i have that fixed [18:28] lol [18:28] can't fault ya for 1 or 2 unintended outages over the course of a year [18:28] wrst, I never turned my computer off until I left skype on all night and my computer died [18:28] strange [18:29] well there was some strange bug or something causing my cpu to spike for long periods of time while I was asleep [18:30] since then I monitor my cpu's temp always [18:30] chris4585: it was a microsoft plot [18:30] using skype to destroy the world [18:30] MUHUHAHAHA [18:30] er [18:30] i mean [18:30] no that bug is fixed now [18:30] lol, probably [18:30] feel free to leave it on, unattended [18:31] ha ha [18:32] also I turn off my computer to regulate the temp in my room, it gets hot in florida :D [18:40] ah yes [18:40] my favorite place when I visit one of our customers in Fort Myers, FL is their server room [18:42] they have a good A/C i hope xTEMPLARx? [18:43] oh man [18:43] and humidity control :D [18:43] nice [18:43] humidity... i hate it [18:43] you wouldn't like florida, its been so humid lately due to the storm [18:44] chris4585: no i don't like TN in the summertime [18:44] speaking of which.. I wonder how new orleans is doing [18:45] i haven't seen anything terribly bad today [18:45] well that is good, I read that the new barrier? held up [18:46] hope so because if it won't take a Cat I they have issues [19:04] xTEMPLARx: i have FF 15 [19:06] you play final fantasy, eh? [19:06] never woulda guessed [19:06] XD [19:07] uhh games, i have a 17 month old no games :) [19:46] xTEMPLARx: your evil twin left? [19:51] ipad apps aren't truly multitasking [19:51] i switched to spotify on the ipad and poof! [19:53] the great apple says you don't need multitasking [19:54] well in it's defense, the ipad would have to be beefed up a bit more to be good at doing so [19:54] as it is, its excellent [19:54] plus, the irc app does have a setting that will force it to stay connected in the background but it could eat up batteries quickly [19:55] xTEMPLARx: you need android and run quasseldroid you can connect straight to quassel [19:56] no way [19:56] apple put its thumb down on ze android [19:57] my wife has iphone for two days and has asked almost every day about switching to a nice android phone [19:58] yep i run it on my phone and tablet xTEMPLARx [19:59] really netritious? [19:59] what does she not like? [20:07] my friend just got an android tablet, and it seems pretty good [20:16] chris4585: i have a tablet running ICS and the OS is ok but my hardware is just so so but knew that when i bought it [20:18] wrst, yeah [20:18] you are just so less locked it than you are with an IOS device [20:27] I'm not opposed to being locked in [20:27] simply because I have one less device that "just works" without my having to worry about it getting hacked/attacked/virus-laden [20:28] it just works as it should [20:28] and the apple app store is so full of options that anything that's "missing" (i.e., a Quassel client) is really not a big of an inconvenience [20:35] xTEMPLARx: i'm just jaded and bitter towards apple [20:35] i mean their logo is an apple [20:35] heaven forbid! [20:35] adam and eve! [20:35] i know that is just it for me [20:35] exactly xTEMPLARx [20:36] zomg [20:36] i'm not falling [20:36] apple's logo represents the fall of man [20:36] yep [20:36] =] [20:36] well and really nothing says it was an apple but hey i will run with it! [20:36] thats what all the artwork depicting the event shows [20:37] artist are never wrong, case settled! [20:37] infallible! [20:38] amen [20:39] ohh i gotta go home burn my free bsd disk [20:39] or disc [20:39] hmm [20:39] disc refers to optical storage, so disc [20:39] :D [20:40] didn't know that was an official designation [20:40] wikipedia is just like an artist xTEMPLARx its infallible [20:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc [20:40] doesn't seem to be official but seems to be widely accepted [20:40] which is why I use it for reference on long documents. nobody ever questions the WP [20:42] ha ha [20:43] wrst: who can say with wives? she just doesn't like it lol [20:43] might have something to do with using an android tablet for the past six months idk [20:44] netritious: here is something that may be handy for us, xTEMPLARx you too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc [20:44] ugh not that ^^^ [20:44] lol [20:44] this [20:44] http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11797/20120829/scientists-find-happiness-gene-in-women.htm [20:46] great... i killed the conversation! [20:47] lol "The findings surprised the researchers, because that same gene has been linked to alcoholism, aggression and generally antisocial behavior." [20:48] is it five o'clock yet? [20:48] almost xTEMPLARx [20:48] wrst for once it was YOU instead of me [20:48] :D [20:48] netritious: how's life? [20:48] how's it goin' bud? [20:48] ha ha xTEMPLARx [20:49] oh I am to tired..helped a guy with a code feature emergency before his presentation today [20:49] netritious: i hope you got to charge emergency rates ;) [20:50] stayed up way past my bedtime and now drinking coffee at 4pm :P [20:50] take a nap! [20:50] of course I did wrst [20:50] coffee at 4 p.m. is not normal? [20:50] * xTEMPLARx needs to rethink his life. [20:50] can't...little girl in the next room doing homework [20:51] eh it's not normal for me XD [20:51] xTEMPLARx: i don't think coffee is ever normal [20:51] * wrst is weird like that [20:51] * xTEMPLARx agrees that you are, in fact, weird like that. [20:52] lol [20:52] thanks xTEMPLARx :P [20:52] oh netritious my frankenstein system actually rebooted [20:53] nice wrst...what's it running? :D [20:53] well i don't know it was a debuntu i guess [20:53] i reinstalled ubuntu 12.04 on it [20:53] i am needing wireless cards i have to actually work which was no problem with arch but i just downloaded a free bsd net iso now [20:53] so i'm playing :) [20:53] is that the little via server or something else? [20:54] no this is an old walmart computer of some sort [20:54] i think a compaq [20:54] oh a comcrap [20:54] but i have a pair of ralink rt2561 wireless cards in it i have messed with a router etc [20:54] yes netritious :) [20:55] lol [20:57] so i did some comparisons between my daughter's win xp install and a family's ubuntu install... [20:57] mainly filesystem size :P [20:58] but they are roughly the same. maybe a few hundred MB difference [20:58] so ubuntu is getting fat [20:58] yeah, but how much of that is just waiting, available for those times when you need that particular software, versus actively running all the time whether you're using it or not? [20:58] ;) [20:59] time to head out. Sniff you jerks later! [20:59] <3 [20:59] cya [21:00] later xTEMPLARx:P [21:01] netritious: ubuntu is certainly getting fat i think [21:01] xTEMPLARx: ram utilization is about the same to [21:01] maybe a few 10's of MB difference [21:01] but that is what they do and do it pretty good but I am very impressed with the mini iso nice best of both worlds solutions [21:02] last time I installed debian without /any/ cruft (no meta-packages other than what is required to boot and access cli) was <500MB on disk and used <20MB memory. [21:03] netritious: the ubuntu install probably wasn't much different, but i installed gnome shell software ceneter all that jazz just no unity [21:08] so i was quickly bloated but bloated the way i like to bloat :) [23:04] nothing wrong with self-imposed bloat wrst :) [23:08] nah not at all i hope :) [23:11] I haven't used the mini iso in a while, haven't needed to, but I heard the alternative iso may disappear next release