[04:20] <ttgdz> wrst all day  is here?
[06:37] <cyberanger> wrst: ouch
[06:37] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: some of us have to sleep
[06:44] <cyberanger> ..followed by night shift
[06:46] <ttgdz> oh,yeah,it is night where you are?
[07:02] <chris4585> its 3am over here
[09:21] <cyberanger> wb everyone
[11:49] <netritious> wrst how did your mad scientist experiment go?
[11:50] <wrst> ha ha well believe it or not i got it to install upstart remove ugghh the initsysv? and it rebooted :)
[11:51] <wrst> but netritious i was having trbouble with wireless, and yes i know on a server but its what i have and using it to serve a printer
[11:51] <wrst> wireless worked well with arch, but the latest greatest cups didn't like my printer, wireless worked sometimes with debian but not all the time i had difficulty getting it to load the firmware before it tried connectinig
[12:43]  * wrst looks at xTEMPLARx's direction
[13:13]  * xTEMPLARx wakes up.
[13:18] <wrst> howdy xTEMPLARx
[13:18] <xTEMPLARx> g'morning sir :D
[13:18] <wrst> how are you doing?
[13:18] <xTEMPLARx> a bit tired but i'm otherwise okay, y tu?
[13:20] <wrst> feeling better?
[13:22] <xTEMPLARx> slowly but surely
[13:22] <xTEMPLARx> definitely bettr than I was, but the cough and drainage remains
[13:22] <xTEMPLARx> sorry if TMI
[13:24] <xTEMPLARx> Canonical needs to hurry up and get FF 15.0 into the repositories
[13:26] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: that's where i miss arch
[13:26] <wrst> and also thats also why i use chrome it stays up to date, i prefer chromium but they sure don't keep it up to date
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> I use chrome as well, pretty much always.  I'm still a bit curious about FF 15 though
[13:37] <xTEMPLARx> to see if it's as improved as they claim
[13:38] <wrst> i like firefox and its good
[13:38] <wrst> but i like how the full screen of chrome works now in gnome-shell gives me more screen realestate
[13:38] <wrst> at work i'm using firefox in winders
[13:59] <xTEMPLARx> I used to use firefox exclusively, but I watched it get more and more bloated, becoming the very thing it railed against at its onset
[13:59] <xTEMPLARx> Chrome came out, and it wasn't 100% at first, but it's blossomed quite nicely and is a great browser now
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> I don't have any reason whatsoever to switch back.  I just feel like I almost owe it to them to see if 15 is truly as good as they claim
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> I just about always have FF installed on my machines alongside Chrome
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> on my windows systems, the only time IE gets launched is when I encounter a website that requires it
[14:01] <wrst> and that is getting fewer and fewer
[14:01] <wrst> thankfully!!
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> and really the only reason FF gets launched anymore is if something doesn't work in Chrome and I'm trying to verify that it's the server and not the browser
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> wrst agreed
[14:01] <xTEMPLARx> my company here provides a web GUI product that requires IE still
[14:02] <xTEMPLARx> based off a product called WebGUI of all things
[14:04] <wrst> ugh
[14:05] <wrst> and really i think the latest IE isn't so bad i don't guess but why chance it
[14:05] <wrst> and really if you have to run commercials for people to use the browser that comes with most computers on the planet, that's probably not a good sign
[14:06] <wrst> i have been playing with a spare box at home now i have quantel server running
[14:06] <wrst> or however you spell the codename for 12.10
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> whee
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> NVidia drivers finally crapped and refused to come back up
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> quite suspiciously after an update
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> an ubuntu update, not the driver
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> hrmmmmm
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> switched to one of the drivers available in the ubuntu proprietary drivers utility
[15:02] <wrst> ohh so you were running out of repo software xTEMPLARx? shame shame :)
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> Pffffft
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> it's been rock solid for a loooong time now
[15:04] <wrst> ha well it broke your hamster, hope you are happy :P
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> makes me wanna smack dat hamster!
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> for being such a wuss, that is
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> i'm in  unity at the moment, and notifications from Quassel aren't workin'
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[15:19] <wrst> are you using unity by choice? :)
[15:19] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:
[15:19] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:
[15:19] <wrst> just thought i would help you check your notifications :D
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> first switched to it thinking maybe gnome-shell was the root of my problems
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> i'm back in shell now
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> unity is kinda clunky compared to shell
[15:50] <wrst> yeah unity just isn't for me
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> nor for me
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> what's funny is i have Shell set up similarly
[15:51] <wrst> but i'm sure its for someone!
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> I have the Avant Window Manager bar on the left-hand side
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> but it works better than the unity bar
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> more intuitive
[15:51] <wrst> i think it would have been interesting to have seen ubuntu switch to kde and see what they would have done with it
[15:52] <wrst> but i just like watching things get changed, crash, and then burn also
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> I so wanted to like KDE
[15:58] <wrst> yes me too but the file browser is awful and really if you can't do that right
[15:58] <wrst> but hey gnome wants rid of the file browser!
[16:04]  * xTEMPLARx gags a little.
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> my linux box isn't an iOS device
[16:06] <wrst> tell me about it!
[16:06] <wrst> wanting to do a search thing, but i know where my files are i don't need to search for them
[16:12] <xTEMPLARx> exactly
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> in a larger filesystem, browsing directly to something can go much quicker than waiting for a search to complete.
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> plus, what if i know where the files are, but don't remember the name?
[16:29] <wrst> exactly xTEMPLARx!
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> grabbed the net install for 12.04... it won't run in command line mode on this old Dell because it launches into an unknown graphics mode
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> how about we just stay in the mode we're in now, that works, instead of getting fancy with it?
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[16:38] <xTEMPLARx> removed the vga call in the boot string, and we're good now
[16:43] <xTEMPx> Whee!
[16:48] <wrst> wb xTEMPLARx :)
[16:51] <xTEMPx> =]
[16:51] <xTEMPx> Working on a system install in our clean room
[16:52] <wrst> xTEMPx: you the man
[16:52] <xTEMPx> :P
[16:55] <wrst> you installing ubuntu if i read that correctly?
[16:55] <xTEMPx> Si
[16:56] <wrst> ahh nice i thought you were mainly a windows shop
[16:56] <wrst> sorry but my spanish isn't good enough to make many comments
[16:58] <xTEMPx> This is a server for the clean room.  Originally running xp but I want a more robust, virus-resistant platform
[16:58] <wrst> you have found it... well about anything
[16:58] <wrst> you could go hardcore adn bsd that bad boy
[16:59] <xTEMPx> Pffft
[16:59] <wrst> you know you want to
[17:00] <xTEMPx> Nay!
[17:01] <wrst> i need my little wireless cards to work i may try bsd next i know i shouldn't have wireless cards in a server but its what i have :)
[17:02] <xTEMPx> Well if you're gonna do it that way you could at least make sure they're supported
[17:02] <xTEMPx> Lol
[17:03] <wrst> xTEMPx: that would be too easy and make sense and cause things to work quickly
[17:03] <wrst> i had it working in debian but half the time it wouldn't load the firmware on boot
[17:04] <xTEMPx> Load...the..firmware?
[17:05] <wrst> yeah had to load a module somethign antoher it was late i needed sleep
[17:05] <wrst> there is an opensource driver for the card but the firmware had to be installed
[17:06] <xTEMPx> One of THOSE deals
[17:09] <wrst> yeah and ubuntu used to work out of the box so i loaded up good ol' 12.04 and found out they have removed support bless their stinkin' cold hearts
[17:10] <xTEMPx> Go back to an earlier LTS release?
[17:10] <wrst> yeah i could but that's no phone i was using arch but the latest cups messed it all up
[17:11] <wrst> i'm using this for a print server i guess i should have started with that
[17:11] <wrst> but the wireless setup was super easy with arch
[17:14] <wrst> so i may go back to arch and figure out why cups blew up on me
[17:15] <wrst> that would be said to try 3 distros and return back to what i started with
[17:15] <xTEMPx> It may prove that switching distros to fix a problem isn't always the answer
[17:16] <xTEMPx> But at least u had fun trying
[17:16] <wrst> well debain worked for 3 days until the power blinked
[17:17] <wrst> then it never worked again :)
[17:17] <wrst> my cards are a little finicky but worked perfectly with arch
[17:24] <xTEMPLARx> http://i.imgur.com/jBhaf.jpg
[17:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: nice :)
[17:36] <xTEMPx> =]
[17:37] <wrst> and xTEMPx looks like freebsd probably supports that card... i cant see how this could go wrong
[17:38] <wrst> if this works i would have a few linux machines my wifes os x and a bsd all sorts of *nixy goodenss
[17:38] <wrst> and *goodness
[17:40] <xTEMPx> I think that if I ever buy another laptop, it'll be a MacBook
[17:43] <wrst> xTEMPx: they are just soooo overpriced
[17:43] <xTEMPx> Agreed
[17:43] <wrst> i can buy like 3 of my laptops for one macbook
[17:44] <wrst> but my wife's macbook is nice
[17:44] <xTEMPx> Same can be said for most of system 76's hardware
[17:44] <xTEMPLARx> the apple hardware is excellent though
[17:46] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you have mutliple personalities don't know who to talk to :) but... sys 76 isn't bad when you compare, but i mean i can by foxconn stuff a lot cheaper from newegg when it just says foxconn and not apple
[17:47] <xTEMPLARx> thing about a macbook is, it's a well-engineered total package
[17:48] <xTEMPLARx> yeah you can find foxconn pieces/parts on newegg, but not a macbook clone
[17:48] <xTEMPLARx> i don't see any laptop-related hardware there
[17:48] <wrst> that is true, but my $499 Asus, not hardly so well engineered package will do everything my wife's 1600 well engineered macbook will do
[17:48] <xTEMPLARx> agreed
[17:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i know but foxconn makes a lot of their stuff and i think tablet stuff in china
[17:49] <xTEMPLARx> but in terms of laptops
[17:50] <xTEMPLARx> I dunno... just can't imagine buying another laptop, really, so if I did I'd want something that was rock-solid
[17:50] <xTEMPLARx> and there are just way too many unknowns in the off-the-shelf laptop world in those lower price ranges
[17:50] <wrst> when i purchase one i try to go for stuff that I know linux works well with but sometimes its hard to find detailed specs
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> specs notwithstanding, the big variable I worry about is build quality
[17:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: this istn' too bad: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/panp9
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> sure there are reviews and such online, but so many are highly suspect
[17:54] <wrst> i have been very happy with asus stuff its not always the best but i'm not usually unhappy and if i pay under 500 for a laptop i realize its not going to be a tank
[17:54] <xTEMPLARx> not awful
[17:58] <wrst> no not bad and its helping the linux world out
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> i wonder how many systems they sell annually
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> system76 that is
[18:09] <wrst> good question
[18:11] <wrst> if i had funds they might sell one more this year that's a nice looking machine
[18:11] <wrst> hello chris4585
[18:12] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:14] <wrst> chris4585: all going well?
[18:15] <chris4585> wrst, awesome, you?
[18:15] <wrst> oh between good and awesome :)
[18:15] <wrst> thanks for asking chris4585 :)
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> its just after 2 p.m.
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> he wasn't lying!
[18:16] <chris4585> that is a good spot to be
[18:17] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[18:17] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, lol I turn off and unplug my computer station before I sleep
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> makes sense
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> you work from homoe?
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> EEK
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> home*
[18:18] <chris4585> right now no job
[18:18] <wrst> i never turn off a computer until it fries... i might should do that
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  my machines run 24-7 too
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> my last desktop machine at the house never got shut off till I shut it off to put my new computer together
[18:19] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my laptop really doesnt' need to sometimes i read while i'm in bed adn will suspend or power it off but if not its always on
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> I use my iPad for that stuff, so it stays on pretty much always
[18:19] <wrst> i have a server that runs 24x7x365(6 if a leap year)
[18:22] <xTEMPLARx> thats not the one that hosts quassel is it?
[18:23] <xTEMPLARx> coz if so it goes down sometimes XD
[18:23] <xTEMPLARx> and dont blame the power company!
[18:27] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx yes that's the one its been on a good streak here recently
[18:27] <wrst> lvm really messed me up
[18:27] <wrst> but i have that fixed
[18:28] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[18:28] <xTEMPLARx> can't fault ya for 1 or 2 unintended outages over the course of a year
[18:28] <chris4585> wrst, I never turned my computer off until I left skype on all night and my computer died
[18:28] <xTEMPLARx> strange
[18:29] <chris4585> well there was some strange bug or something causing my cpu to spike for long periods of time while I was asleep
[18:30] <chris4585> since then I monitor my cpu's temp always
[18:30] <wrst> chris4585: it was a microsoft plot
[18:30] <wrst> using skype to destroy the world
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> MUHUHAHAHA
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> er
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> i mean
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> no that bug is fixed now
[18:30] <chris4585> lol, probably
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> feel free to leave it on, unattended
[18:31] <wrst> ha ha
[18:32] <chris4585> also I turn off my computer to regulate the temp in my room, it gets hot in florida :D
[18:40] <xTEMPLARx> ah yes
[18:40] <xTEMPLARx> my favorite place when I visit one of our customers in Fort Myers, FL is their server room
[18:42] <wrst> they have a good A/C i hope xTEMPLARx?
[18:43] <xTEMPLARx> oh man
[18:43] <xTEMPLARx> and humidity control :D
[18:43] <wrst> nice
[18:43] <wrst> humidity... i hate it
[18:43] <chris4585> you wouldn't like florida, its been so humid lately due to the storm
[18:44] <wrst> chris4585: no i don't like TN in the summertime
[18:44] <chris4585> speaking of which.. I wonder how new orleans is doing
[18:45] <wrst> i haven't seen anything terribly bad today
[18:45] <chris4585> well that is good, I read that the new barrier? held up
[18:46] <wrst> hope so because if it won't take a Cat I they have issues
[19:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i have FF 15
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> you play final fantasy, eh?
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> never woulda guessed
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[19:07] <wrst> uhh games, i have a 17 month old no games :)
[19:46] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: your evil twin left?
[19:51] <xTEMPLARx> ipad apps aren't truly multitasking
[19:51] <xTEMPLARx> i switched to spotify on the ipad and poof!
[19:53] <wrst> the great apple says you don't need multitasking
[19:54] <xTEMPLARx> well in it's defense, the ipad would have to be beefed up a bit more to be good at doing so
[19:54] <xTEMPLARx> as it is, its excellent
[19:54] <xTEMPLARx> plus, the irc app does have a setting that will force it to stay connected in the background but it could eat up batteries quickly
[19:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you need android and run quasseldroid you can connect straight to quassel
[19:56] <xTEMPLARx> no way
[19:56] <xTEMPLARx> apple put its thumb down on ze android
[19:57] <netritious> my wife has iphone for two days and has asked almost every day about switching to a nice android phone
[19:58] <wrst> yep i run it on my phone and tablet xTEMPLARx
[19:59] <wrst> really netritious?
[19:59] <wrst> what does she not like?
[20:07] <chris4585> my friend just got an android tablet, and it seems pretty good
[20:16] <wrst> chris4585: i have a tablet running ICS and the OS is ok but my hardware is just so so but knew that when i bought it
[20:18] <chris4585> wrst, yeah
[20:18] <wrst> you are just so less locked it than you  are with an IOS device
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> I'm not opposed to being locked in
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> simply because I have one less device that "just works" without my having to worry about it getting hacked/attacked/virus-laden
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> it just works as it should
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> and the apple app store is so full of options that anything that's "missing" (i.e., a Quassel client) is really not a big of an inconvenience
[20:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i'm just jaded and bitter towards apple
[20:35] <wrst> i mean their logo is an apple
[20:35] <xTEMPLARx> heaven forbid!
[20:35] <xTEMPLARx> adam and eve!
[20:35] <wrst> i know that is just it for me
[20:35] <wrst> exactly xTEMPLARx
[20:36] <xTEMPLARx> zomg
[20:36] <wrst> i'm not falling
[20:36] <xTEMPLARx> apple's logo represents the fall of man
[20:36] <wrst> yep
[20:36] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[20:36] <wrst> well and really nothing says it was an apple but hey i will run with it!
[20:36] <xTEMPLARx> thats what all the artwork depicting the event shows
[20:37] <wrst> artist are never wrong, case settled!
[20:37] <xTEMPLARx> infallible!
[20:38] <wrst> amen
[20:39] <wrst> ohh i gotta go home burn my free bsd disk
[20:39] <wrst> or disc
[20:39] <wrst> hmm
[20:39] <wrst> disc refers to optical storage, so disc
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:40] <xTEMPLARx> didn't know that was an official designation
[20:40] <wrst> wikipedia is just like an artist xTEMPLARx its infallible
[20:40] <wrst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc
[20:40] <wrst> doesn't seem to be official but seems to be widely accepted
[20:40] <xTEMPLARx> which is why I use it for reference on long documents.  nobody ever questions the WP
[20:42] <wrst> ha ha
[20:43] <netritious> wrst: who can say with wives? she just doesn't like it lol
[20:43] <netritious> might have something to do with using an android tablet for the past six months idk
[20:44] <wrst> netritious: here is something that may be handy for us, xTEMPLARx you too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc
[20:44] <wrst> ugh not that ^^^
[20:44] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[20:44] <wrst> this
[20:44] <wrst> http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11797/20120829/scientists-find-happiness-gene-in-women.htm
[20:46] <wrst> great... i killed the conversation!
[20:47] <netritious> lol "The findings surprised the researchers, because that same gene has been linked to alcoholism, aggression and generally antisocial behavior."
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> is it five o'clock yet?
[20:48] <netritious> almost xTEMPLARx
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> wrst for once it was YOU instead of me
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> netritious: how's life?
[20:48] <netritious> how's it goin' bud?
[20:48] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[20:49] <netritious> oh I am to tired..helped a guy with a code feature emergency before his presentation today
[20:49] <wrst> netritious: i hope you got to charge emergency rates ;)
[20:50] <netritious> stayed up way past my bedtime and now drinking coffee at 4pm :P
[20:50] <wrst> take a nap!
[20:50] <netritious> of course I did wrst
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> coffee at 4 p.m. is not normal?
[20:50]  * xTEMPLARx needs to rethink his life.
[20:50] <netritious> can't...little girl in the next room doing homework
[20:51] <netritious> eh it's not normal for me XD
[20:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i don't think coffee is ever normal
[20:51]  * wrst is weird like that
[20:51]  * xTEMPLARx agrees that you are, in fact, weird like that.
[20:52] <netritious> lol
[20:52] <wrst> thanks xTEMPLARx :P
[20:52] <wrst> oh netritious my frankenstein system actually rebooted
[20:53] <netritious> nice wrst...what's it running? :D
[20:53] <wrst> well i don't know it was a debuntu i guess
[20:53] <wrst> i reinstalled ubuntu 12.04 on it
[20:53] <wrst> i am needing wireless cards i have to actually work which was no problem with arch but i just downloaded a free bsd net iso now
[20:53] <wrst> so i'm playing :)
[20:53] <netritious> is that the little via server or something else?
[20:54] <wrst> no this is an old walmart computer of some sort
[20:54] <wrst> i think a compaq
[20:54] <netritious> oh a comcrap
[20:54] <wrst> but i have a pair of ralink rt2561 wireless cards in it i have messed with a router etc
[20:54] <wrst> yes netritious :)
[20:55] <netritious> lol
[20:57] <netritious> so i did some comparisons between my daughter's win xp install and a family's ubuntu install...
[20:57] <netritious> mainly filesystem size :P
[20:58] <netritious> but they are roughly the same. maybe a few hundred MB difference
[20:58] <netritious> so ubuntu is getting fat
[20:58] <xTEMPLARx> yeah, but how much of that is just waiting, available for those times when you need that particular software, versus actively running all the time whether you're using it or not?
[20:58] <xTEMPLARx> ;)
[20:59] <xTEMPLARx> time to head out.  Sniff you jerks later!
[20:59] <xTEMPLARx> <3
[20:59] <netritious> cya
[21:00] <wrst> later xTEMPLARx:P
[21:01] <wrst> netritious: ubuntu is certainly getting fat i think
[21:01] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: ram utilization is about the same to
[21:01] <netritious> maybe a few 10's of MB difference
[21:01] <wrst> but that is what they do and do it pretty good but I am very impressed with the mini iso nice best of both worlds solutions
[21:02] <netritious> last time I installed debian without /any/ cruft (no meta-packages other than what is required to boot and access cli) was <500MB on disk and used <20MB memory.
[21:03] <wrst> netritious: the ubuntu install probably wasn't much different, but i installed gnome shell software ceneter all that jazz just no unity
[21:08] <wrst> so i was quickly bloated but bloated the way i like to bloat :)
[23:04] <netritious> nothing wrong with self-imposed bloat wrst :)
[23:08] <wrst> nah not at all i hope :)
[23:11] <chris4585> I haven't used the mini iso in a while, haven't needed to, but I heard the alternative iso may disappear next release