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jrgnsmorning all05:27
magespawngood morning jrgns05:43
magespawnmorning y'all lurkers05:43
jrgnsyou good?05:43
magespawnyes and you?05:44
magespawni had coffee this morning05:44
magespawnso am very good05:44
magespawnMaaz: coffee for everyone05:45
Maazmagespawn: What?05:45
magespawnMaaz: coffee for all05:45
MaazCome on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already05:45
Kiloshi magespawn and others06:04
magespawnhey Kilos06:04
Kiloshi psydroid 06:11
magespawnbrb06:11
psydroidhi Kilos and magespawn06:12
zeref_campus:YaaawwwN:06:21
zeref_campusmorning06:21
Kiloshi zeref 06:21
zeref_campushi Kilos 06:21
jrgnsmagespawn: good, thnx06:26
Kiloshi jrgns 06:34
superflymorning sleepy heads!06:37
magespawni am sorry, i have been at work for an hour already, sleepy heads, hah!06:42
Kiloshi superfly lol06:42
Kiloswhat time were you here06:42
superflywell, I just got to work, but that means I've been up for at least 2 hours06:45
magespawnhow long is the travel?06:49
Kiloshiya maiatoday 06:56
maiatodayhi Kilos06:56
superflymagespawn: 45 minutes06:56
superflyhi maiatoday 06:56
maiatodayhi superfly06:56
magespawnmine is about 10 minutes, and that includes dropping the kids at school, the wonders of small town life06:58
magespawnstill have to get up at 05:30 though06:59
magespawnif i was in a city i would probable be up at 04:30, family life07:02
magespawnsuperfly you still taking the train?07:05
jrgnshey Kilos07:13
superflymagespawn: yup07:15
Kilosyo Banlam bakuman 08:10
charlvngood morning08:12
Kiloshi charlvn 08:12
charlvnMaaz: coffee on !08:12
* Maaz puts the kettle on08:12
charlvnhi Kilos 08:12
charlvnhow's it going this morning08:12
bakumanlies!08:12
bakumanMaaz coffee please08:12
Maazbakuman: Righto08:12
Kilosbetter than yesterday ty and you?08:12
KilosMaaz, coffee please08:12
MaazKilos: Sure08:12
Kilosbakuman, you feeling guilty about something08:13
Kilos?08:13
bakumannope :D08:13
Kilosloli was waiting for the it wasnt me addon to lies08:13
MaazCoffee's ready for charlvn, bakuman and Kilos!08:16
KilosMaaz, ty08:16
MaazYou are welcome Kilos08:16
KilosTrixar_za, do you ever have spare time to play around08:29
Kilosi need someone to take 12.04's network-manager and unhide the "enable broadband" button and make it permanently enabled08:30
Kilossame as the "enable networking" one08:31
Kilosso the disable function will be by choice08:32
Kilospersonal choice that is08:33
zeref_campusKilos: you could code\08:51
Kiloszeref, i have no idea how08:51
Kilosthats why i asked08:52
Kilosim a mechanic and farmer 08:52
zeref_campusthere is network manager called Wicd08:52
Kilosi see it in synaptic ty , will try it08:55
Kilosbut the ubuntu one still needs fixing. always worked before08:56
Kiloshi DigiGram 09:05
DigiGramhi Kilos09:05
DigiGramone thing about Free software I do not understand...09:10
DigiGramthere is an distinction between free as in free beer and free as in free speach... now that I do understand09:11
DigiGrambut where on earth do you get free beer09:11
bakuman*speech09:11
DigiGram????09:11
bakuman:D09:11
DigiGram*speach in my bubble ;)09:11
DigiGrammmm, wonder why my spell checker is on holiday?09:11
* DigiGram going to look for his spell chacker quickly09:11
* bakuman was making the point that it is free but not uncencored and uncorr3ected :D09:12
DigiGramlol09:12
charlvnDigiGram: very good question... i have always wondered that myself too09:13
* DigiGram will write code for beer....09:15
charlvnDigiGram: for provisioning of beer: http://beeroverip.org/09:17
DigiGramlol thanx charlvn 09:19
KilosMaaz, coffee time09:32
MaazIt is always coffee time!09:32
KilosMaaz, coffee on09:32
* Maaz washes some mugs09:32
Kilosjust had someone from belgium hack into my gmail account09:32
Kilosgrrr09:33
DigiGramMaaz, coffee please09:33
MaazDigiGram: Okay09:33
DigiGramtime to enable two-stef verification then?09:33
Kilosoh my09:33
DigiGram*step09:34
Kilosbig enough job to change passwords09:34
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and DigiGram!09:36
KilosMaaz, ty09:36
MaazYou are welcome Kilos09:36
Kiloszeref_campus, that wicd isnt for mobile broadband as well. wired and wireless info only i see09:39
DigiGramMaaz, ty09:41
MaazYou are welcome DigiGram09:41
DigiGramwhy oh why don't I like DLink wifi cards...???09:54
Kiloshi tonberryE352 09:59
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maiatodaywho does the twitter stream for ubuntu-za again, Kilos? charlvn?10:47
maiatodayI am trying to set up the hash tag on loco.ubuntu.com for us10:47
Kilosme maiatoday 10:47
maiatodayI know we use #ubuntu-za but I think that isn't a valid hash tag because it truncates after the -10:47
maiatodayso we should probably use something like #ubuntuza 10:48
Kiloson twitter we are ubuntuza10:48
charlvnKilos: how the heck did that happen?10:48
Kiloswhat charlvn ?10:48
charlvnKilos: the hacking?10:48
Kilosi dunno, just got a message that someone from belgium had signed in to my account10:49
Kilosand i have a mean password10:49
charlvnKilos: very weird, do you reuse the same password for other things?10:49
Kilosya facebook 10:49
Kilosbut i never go there10:50
charlvnah, but facebook should be pretty secure as well10:50
charlvnvery suspicious10:50
charlvnmaiatoday: good idea (re hashtag)10:51
charlvnbbl10:51
maiatodayalso we can add picasa or flickr group album to the loco page maybe we can set one up to keep all the pics. It will feed to loco.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-za automatically10:54
magespawnthat is a good idea maiatoday 11:01
magespawni am off for awhile bbl11:09
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DigiGramoh it hurts so bad... just went to a computer store to pick up some ram and harddrives... so bad sitting with a 2TB hdd in hand, knowing it will never be filled more than 1%.... ai tog12:01
DigiGramwish it was mine rather12:01
Kiloslol12:02
DigiGramthe server will do incremental backups of a system that generates about 100MB per month...12:03
Kiloshi Carma 12:03
KilosDigiGram, what do they cost?12:03
Carmahi all12:03
DigiGramthe 2TB?12:03
Kilosyeah12:03
DigiGramR1095 incl.12:04
DigiGramWestern Digital 64MB cache12:04
DigiGramoh, I see it is part of the Caviar Green range12:04
DigiGramyou can get for cheaper I'm sure, but the university is very peculiar on where they will buy12:05
KilosCarma, youre new here methinks12:05
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za12:06
Kilosok bye12:06
DigiGramlol12:06
DigiGramokay, paying R1095 for this drive: http://www.takealot.com/electronics/pc-components-1111/western-digital-caviar-green-2tb-sata-6gb-s-64-mb-cache,9765877 maybe isn't as bad12:07
Kilosnot if you think, about 4 or 5 years ago when i was even more doff i spent R250 on a 4g drive and was so happy with this big drive12:08
Kilosonly had 500m drives before12:08
DigiGramhehe12:09
Kilosand it was second hand12:09
Kilosthey saw me coming12:10
Kilosmust be the way i comb my hair12:10
DigiGramfor me it was 8 years ago that I bought a 13GB from my friend, not knowing what I'll do with all of that space12:10
Kiloslol12:11
jrgnsyeah, i payed R350 for a 512MB usb drive12:17
jrgnsthat was about 10 years ago?12:17
DigiGram2005, R400 for a 1GB usb, bought a couple to resell as this was a BARGAIN hehe12:18
Kiloshehe12:20
Kilospc things seem to be the only thing that actually gets cheaper12:21
Kiloscheeper12:21
Kiloswhew12:21
Kilosthat thing12:21
DigiGramlike ram...paid R255 for 4GB DDR-1333 now, paid R400 for 512MB DDR400's years ago12:23
DigiGramlol for those following the Apple/Samsung; Apple/Google; Apple/World patent suits, enjoy this: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120829.gif12:33
jrgnsDigiGram: nice13:24
Kilosyo nlsthzn wb14:01
Kiloshi drussell 14:01
nlsthznuncle Kilos ... alo :)14:02
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magespawnhey kilos14:22
Kilosyo magespawn 14:27
Kiloswb14:27
magespawnlok like a quite day14:30
magespawnlooks 14:31
Kilosyeah14:31
Kilosdidd you go to ubuntu-classroom last night14:31
Kilosi couldnt keep up when 7 lines at a time flash by14:32
magespawnno if i am going to attend a class i will do it in the shop14:32
Kilosdunno if them guys type so fast or prepair and copy paste14:32
Kerberoprepare14:37
Kerberostefano told us once14:37
Kilosthat too14:37
Symmetria*HRM*14:37
Kilosty Kerbero 14:38
* Symmetria ponders the advantage/disadvantage of running dynamic routing down to servers14:38
Kiloswassup Symmetria 14:38
Symmetriaheh trying to decide if I should add more specific v6 static routes to a server14:38
Symmetriaor just go screw it and install ospf314:38
Symmetria:p14:38
Kerberoospf314:38
KilosKerbero, kinda difficult preparing for random questions like that hey?14:38
magespawnouta here again layer all14:45
Kilostoods magespawn 14:47
tumbleweedubuntu developer week juts started, again15:08
Kilosdrussell,  you there #ubuntu-classroom15:10
drussellKilos: hiya, no, not currently... /me is on a conference call15:10
Kilosah15:11
Symmetriahow interesting15:15
Symmetriaipv6 akamai content15:15
Symmetriais now coming from mweb15:15
Symmetria 9  vic-p-1.mweb.co.za (::ffff:197.80.0.1)  14.513 ms  12.036 ms  12.009 ms15:15
Symmetria10  tengig0-1-0-0.vic-up-1.mweb.co.za (::ffff:197.80.4.125)  13.988 ms  11.312 ms  13.188 ms15:15
Symmetria11  2c0f:ff40:30:130::1 (2c0f:ff40:30:130::1)  15.404 ms  15.391 ms  15.385 ms15:15
Symmetria12  2c0f:ff40:30:130::c550:8208 (2c0f:ff40:30:130::c550:8208)  10.789 ms  10.777 ms  10.974 ms15:15
Symmetria^^^ traceroute to www.akamai.com from ufs15:15
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Symmetriaheh16:18
Symmetriadid anyone see that bizarro article 16:18
Symmetriaby that guy who said he was resigning his citizenship16:18
Symmetria:P I'll be curious to see if they publish my open response to that16:18
zerefummm, the default time and date program in the top panel, whats the name of it?16:49
superflyzeref: what top panel? I only have my plasma bar at the bottom.17:17
zerefhmmm, ok, the program which shows the time at the bottom, what is it called?17:18
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superflyit's just a plasmoid17:19
Kiloshi simeon 17:20
superflyzeref: how about telling us which desktop shell or environment you are using, instead of presuming we all use what you're using17:23
KilosTrixar_za, have you been to #ubuntu-classroom17:23
Kilosthe weed talking now17:23
Symmetriathere are worse things that weed that could be talking :P17:25
Trixar_zaNo and what is he talking about?17:25
Trixar_zaAh, so he's talking about weed in general17:25
Trixar_za:P17:25
Kilospackaging and patches etc17:25
Trixar_zaNot exactly useful to me17:26
Trixar_za;P17:26
Symmetriahrm17:27
SymmetriaI wonder exactly what the motivation for setting default rp_filter is 17:27
Symmetriain the linux kernel17:27
Trixar_zaI have build receipt and commit access to SliTaz's packages build server and buildbot17:27
SymmetriaI mean, I can kinda see the point, at the same time, the amount of crap I have seen that break is whack17:27
Trixar_zaSo I already know how to do it with regards to SliTaz17:27
Trixar_za... I just rarely do so17:27
Trixar_za:|17:29
Trixar_zaI can't speak in classroom :'(17:30
Kilosno you gotta ask at #ubuntu-classroom-chat17:30
Trixar_zaAh17:30
Kilosthen the bot asks for you17:30
Trixar_zaI was going to point out the exceptions (like non-free binary packages)17:31
Kilosstate it in chat and see what happens17:31
Trixar_zaI left now17:40
Kilosi saw17:40
Trixar_zaHe was stating the stuff I kind of learned the hardway17:40
Trixar_zahard way*17:41
Kilosthats why i asked you this morning to fix nm for me17:41
Kilosexperience helps17:41
magespawnevening all17:44
Trixar_zaOh right. I don't think they would have allowed me to make that change officially17:44
Kiloshi magespawn 17:44
magespawnhi Kilos17:45
Kilosif you can fix it for me i will give it to the weed to add in their discussions17:45
KilosTrixar_za,  im sure if one can permanently enable mobile broadband the thing will work17:46
Kilosbecause if i tick enable broadband it dials automatically17:47
Trixar_zaWould be a multi-level approval layer though. It would first have to go to GNOME people since it's their code base, they'll have to check if it's useful or good code. Then it's the matter of waiting for the fix to be applied downstream within individual distros17:47
Kilosas long as mine gets fixed it can take long to get through the correct routes17:48
Trixar_zaThat's pretty much one of the perks of being a dev on a distro. Fixed I apply WILL get added without review.17:48
Trixar_zaFixes*17:49
Kilosah17:49
Trixar_zaProbably not a good thing, but it gets more things done17:49
Trixar_zaAnd if you break stuff, you get massive slack for it >.>17:49
Trixar_zaSpeaking of which17:49
* Trixar_za tries to fix the damn Buddypress site17:50
Kilosthere are hundreds if not thousands of peeps with nm probs on 12.04 but none of them fixes work for me17:50
Trixar_zaThat's kind of the problem for me. I've gotten used to just compiling from source to fix issues I have with packages.17:51
Trixar_zaSome problems can actually be solved by just enabling or disabling the right options at the ./configure stage17:52
Kilosthats what i need to find out how to do17:52
Kiloslike would i gedit this17:53
Kilos(VPN settings are in ~/.gconf/system/networking/connections/*/vpn/%gconf.xml)17:53
magespawnpretty cooll the way they have the bot asking the questions17:55
magespawncool even17:55
Kilosyeah17:55
Kilosclever and censored beforehand17:56
magespawnalso stops the channel from getting flooded with questions17:56
Kilosyeah17:57
magespawni think i need to learn a lot more before i can participate in those discussions18:00
Kiloswhew18:01
Trixar_zaPersonally I wish I would stop finding the hard way of learning things. But then I doubt I'll learn anything. Teach a man to fish right?18:01
* smile hugs Kilos18:01
smile:)18:01
Kiloslol18:01
smile^^18:01
Kilosty smile 18:01
smileyw :)18:01
magespawnTrixar_za: learning the hard way you remember it the best18:02
Kilossmile, did you go to the classroom18:02
Symmetriahrm18:02
Symmetriathere is no mrouted package in ubuntu :(18:02
* Symmetria cries18:02
smileKilos: het is nog vakantie :p18:03
Kilosek is nog op vakansie18:03
Kilosthe ubuntu-classroom man18:03
Kilos#ubuntu-classroom18:04
Trixar_zamagespawn: True. I seem to have a trouble learning it any other way. I do have a trouble reading technical books - more they bore me to death.18:05
Trixar_za-a *18:06
Trixar_zaI guess I'm just a practical learner. I learn by doing.18:06
magespawnthats the best way18:06
magespawntech books are always so thick18:07
magespawnthey seem to belabour the point they are trying to make18:07
smileKilos: why? :D18:08
smile^^18:08
Kilosthey are teaching peeps to become devs18:09
smileokay :)18:11
smileI will get there one day :) without teaching18:11
smileI learned almost everything about pc's without teaching18:11
Trixar_zaNecessity if the mother of invention (and learning) :P18:12
Trixar_zais*18:12
Kilosthen fix 12.04 network manager so mobile broadband is permanently enabled18:12
zerefwhoah ubuntu-classroom is awesome :D18:13
Trixar_zaPimp my Bookcart. The stuff people invent.18:14
KilosTrixar_za, theres nothing in here18:18
Kilos~/.gconf/system/networking/connections/*/vpn/%gconf.xml18:18
Trixar_zaThe file really is named %gconf.xml?18:19
Kilosthats what i found when googling how to edit the nm .conf file18:20
smileKilos: sorry ;)18:22
smileMobile broadband <- whoa, out of here! :D18:22
Kilosfor what smile ?18:22
Kiloslol18:22
smilefor the thing under it ;)18:22
Kilos?18:23
Kilosmobile broadband isnt the prob. network-manager is18:24
Kilosnight guys. sleep tight18:28
smilebye :)18:31
* smile is leaving18:31
magespawnanybody know some good open source hotspot software?18:35
Trixar_zaIn what way? Controlling or finding them?18:39
magespawncontrolling them18:43
magespawni am looking at this at the moment http://www.coova.org/CoovaAP18:43
magespawnbased on openwrt18:44
inetprohmm....18:46
Squirmfinally18:52
Squirmelectricity in our office has been down since 3pm yesterday18:52
Squirmthat means no internets :P18:52
magespawngoing cold turkey there?18:55
* Symmetria gets himself into trouble on news2419:02
Symmetrialol19:04
Symmetriahttp://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Notice-of-Resignation-from-RSA-20120828 <=== some crackpot wrote that19:04
Symmetria http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Resignation-from-RSA-A-response-20120829 <=== and some people dont like my response :p19:05
zerefnews24 s the ultimate troll site :D19:05
Symmetriazeref lol, did you read the original or my response? I actually believe what I wrote in the response19:05
zerefepspecially the user opion section19:06
zerefgona read it now19:06
Symmetriabut lol, the response... is a little contraversial19:06
Symmetrialol, I had one 2 americans ask me wtf I meant by that george bush comment19:07
zerefLOL19:07
Symmetrialol19:12
Symmetriawhat did you make of my response19:12
zereflegit19:14
zerefrunning away from a 'problem' does not solve the 'problem'19:14
SymmetriaI call running away cowardice 19:15
Symmetriaand I stand by that19:15
Symmetria:P and I had the same thing to say to my own brother when he left19:15
Symmetria(he didnt talk to me for a week)19:15
Symmetrialol19:15
zereflol19:16
zerefevery country has problems, the thing is you only ses those problems when you get there19:16
zeref*see19:17
Symmetriaheh Ive been all over the world as I said19:17
Symmetriaand I can tell you, there are places in this world far worse than anything Ive found here19:17
zerefnews channels paint a very diiferent picture of what is really happeneing19:17
zerefhence, i dont watch news19:17
Symmetrialol, walk down the road in rio and see what happens 19:17
Symmetriaparticularly on coca cubana19:17
Symmetriawhich is meant to be tourist heaven19:18
zereflol19:18
Symmetriawander into east LA, just watch the bullets from the crypts and the bloods fighting it out19:18
zereftrue19:18
Symmetriaoh, and not to mention just how damn dangerous washington DC is19:18
Symmetriaor the bronx, or conney island 19:18
zerefwent to england and was like, whoah!!19:19
Symmetriaand while you're at it, wander through downtown frankfurt, just be careful of the millions of dirty heroin needles lying all over the ground 19:19
Symmetriaand then of course, there is milan, you're ok in milan so long as you dont mention football for the wrong team, you'll probably end up dead if you do that19:19
zereflol19:19
zerefso where is markis going to?19:20
Symmetriabut hell, if you want saftey, you can go to singapore, where they CANE YOU if they catch you chewing gum!!!!19:20
Symmetriahe didnt say :P 19:20
Symmetrialol, he's in for a very big suprise though19:20
zeref"So until the day that true democracy exists in every province, city and home in South Africa; until every man, woman and child, of every race, religion and sex is truly free; when discrimination, government hopelessness and state stupidity are vanquished, I will seek a new beginning in another land. "19:20
zerefyeah right19:20
zerefpractically, that will never happen19:21
charlvnwell comparing to some of the worst brothels in the world isn't exactly any way to say there are no problems in south africa19:21
charlvnyou can always go worse if you want to make yourself feel better :)19:21
charlvnit's kind-of like saying "i might be a rapist but at least i'm not a child molester"19:22
Symmetriacharlvn heh, Ive been to 85 countries in the last 6 years or so19:22
Symmetriaand spent significant amount of time in those countries19:22
Symmetriaevery single one of them had problems, some of those problems were just very different to what we face19:23
charlvnthat's obviously true, but that still doesn't say anything19:23
charlvni have also done a significant amount of traveling and every country has its own problems19:23
charlvnbut in every country you also have better and worse places19:23
charlvnat the end of the day, it's much more about where you live in the country than which country you live in19:24
charlvnfor example, after you've visited bangladesh, you could say south africa is a very wealthy country19:24
zerefRSA has potential, just needs the right people in power19:24
charlvnbut then, after you've visited japan, south africa looks like a cr*phole19:24
charlvnit's all relative19:24
charlvnzeref: it's not about the people who are in power, it's about the culture of the people who put those few in power19:25
charlvnzeref: if you have educated, informed voters, they are capable of making better decisions19:25
zerefwas just bout to clear that statement19:25
SymmetriaI argue that the only way to fix this country is about education19:25
Symmetriaand you cannot educate, or build, if you have run away19:26
zereftrue19:26
charlvnzeref: but if they keep voting for the same party out of a misplaced sense of loyalty, nothing will improve19:26
charlvnSymmetria: i agree with you completely19:26
charlvnthat is the start of the solution19:26
Symmetriacharlvn they vote for the same party because of lack of education, and the fact is, the middle class blacks are turning against the ANC19:26
charlvnthat's very true19:26
zerefyah19:26
charlvnthe problem is though, it's an evil circle19:26
Symmetriawhy do you think they almost lost nelson mandela metro in the last election and lost ground in johannesburg and got their asses kicked in the western cape again19:26
Symmetriatheir support *IS* eroding19:27
charlvnto get educated, you need to have the government to invest in education19:27
Symmetriaand the more the education spreads, the more it will erode19:27
charlvnto get the government to invest in education, you need a good government19:27
charlvnto get a good government, you need educated people19:27
charlvnit's not in the current government's best interest to have an educated population19:27
charlvnquite to the contrary because then the masses don't fall for the government's FUD19:27
Symmetriacharlvn heh, the universities in this country are actually growing student wise, and that student population will end up being the death of the anc 19:27
charlvnwell perhaps19:28
charlvnbut the number of people who get to university is still very small19:28
charlvnbut maybe it will change19:28
SymmetriaI dont think people realize just how many university students we have enrolled in this country19:28
charlvnyeah but how many of them complete their course19:28
charlvnmy mom used to work at a university for 10 years19:28
charlvnonly about 10% of the first year students make it to the final year of their bachelors19:28
zerefthere are still student who think ANC is the key19:28
Symmetrianorth west university, student reg. count: 68 thousand, uct: 24 thousand, ufs: 38 thousand,  UP: 70 odd thousand, etc etc19:28
charlvnyeah there definitely are19:29
Symmetriazeref yes, but the numbers show, that that number is declining19:29
Symmetria*shrug8 I am not saying we can fix this overnight19:29
Symmetrianor am I saying we dont have problems19:29
SymmetriaIm saying we *CANT* fix it if we run away19:29
charlvnthat's nice but take that and compare it to the number of kids that don't make it to university19:29
charlvnbut it's true, it doesn't fix itself overnight19:29
zerefyep19:29
Symmetriaand anyone who knows me knows I've had the chance to leave if I wanted to19:29
SymmetriaI have the means, and the resources to get up and go tomorrow, I just dont se any reason to do so19:29
Symmetriathere is sooooo much opportunity in this country, for blacks and whites alike19:30
Symmetriabut *shrug* people want it handed to them, rather than to make those opportunities reality19:31
magespawnsee you all later19:31
charlvnwell your skin colour is irrelevant (or should be in any case)19:31
charlvnbut it seems like certain population groups feel certain other population groups "owe" them19:31
charlvnand that culture won't help at all19:31
zerefculture is the biggest problem.19:32
charlvnif people stop worrying about skin colour and start working hard things will get a big boost19:32
zerefi've seem that 1st hand19:32
Symmetriacharlvn yes, that is true, the reverse is true as well, and heh, it kinda saddens me what I saw working at UCT years ago19:32
Symmetriathe people at UCT who grew up and remeber the late 80s/early 90s, have no wish to return to that 19:32
charlvnit's a really bad culture that is able to persist and it's just another negative cycle that needs to get broken19:32
Symmetriamove forward a few years, and then people who have no memories of that, the whites, cry for the return of apartheid19:33
Symmetriain the same way, the older generation of blacks, many of them, will say that the youth league is on crack19:33
Symmetriabecause they dont want to go back to the violence that happened in those years19:33
charlvnyeah true19:33
Symmetria*shrug* I saw up close and personal the results of apartheid when i was a kid, and lose a coupla friends in the papagalo and a coupla friends in st james 19:34
Symmetriaand that, that was teh result of apartheid 19:34
charlvnthe problem is, people want to go forwards by going back, it's like "the previous evil was less than the current evil"19:34
charlvnwhat about just doing it right this time around19:34
Symmetriaheh charl, the people who wanna go back though19:35
Symmetriawerent there during that time19:35
zerefwat i've seem is at the "clever' black guys dont what anything to do with politics, and they are the one s who can make a diff19:35
charlvnyeah that's true19:35
charlvnthey just don't realise19:35
Symmetriabecause only a fool would want to go back to that 19:35
charlvnit's like history repeating itself all over19:35
charlvnjust because people don't learn from past mistakes19:35
charlvni mean look at when the NP took over from the british colonialists19:35
charlvnit was supposed to be the "freedom" of south africa until they started with their own oppression19:35
charlvnthen the anc took over, same story all over again19:36
charlvnif people just start learning from the past then they can build on that and move forward19:36
Symmetriaheh charl this world has a habit of repeating itself in stupidity19:36
Symmetriathe americans elected george bush TWICE 19:36
charlvnyeah that is extremely sad19:36
charlvnbut true19:36
Symmetriathe south african IT industry is 12 years behind, but heading straight for the same IT bubble which almost killed the industry in 200019:36
Symmetria(particularly in the internet sector)19:37
Symmetriapeople cry about the islamic extremist violence, in reality, its nothing more than a repeat of the christian crusades all over against 19:37
Symmetriaagain19:37
Symmetriathe examples are endless19:37
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charlvnyeah that's a good one19:38
Symmetriaheh the comments on that article of mine are interesting, it seems to be... quite split :)19:38
Symmetriabetween those who agree and those who are extremely anti what I said hehe19:38
* Symmetria laughs19:38
charlvnok lemme get going, need to do some other stuff19:40
charlvnevening all!19:40
zerefSymmetria: go into politics anf fix the internet sector19:41
* zeref :whistles:19:41
Symmetriaheh, zeref been trying the latter for years19:42
Symmetria:P19:42
Symmetriaand still trying19:42
Symmetriamanaged to get a fair way though19:43
zerefthe thing is if you seem more intelligent that the person runing things, they tell you, FUUUUUUUU19:43
Symmetrialol zeref *shrug* I like to believe that I was at least a tiny bit responsible for some of the changes to the industry :) but obviously, not done on my own, I had amazing people to work with when we did what we did19:44
zerefyeah, there are those awesome people behind the scence19:45
Squirmhmmm, I'm looking for libgcrypt11 >=1.5 in debian Squeeze. Squeeze conveniently has 1.4 but Sid on the otherhand has 1.5.120:51
SquirmI'm stuck now :/20:51
Symmetriaanyone awake?21:49
SymmetriaI have something really cool to show you guys21:49
Symmetria:p21:49
Kerberoo22:13
Kerberoi'm still sort of awake Symmetria 22:13
Kerberobut i should go to bed now22:13
Symmetriaheh22:25
SymmetriaKerbero22:25
Symmetriatry this22:25
Symmetriahttp://196.32.210.12:8765/udp/224.4.0.10:1234 22:25
Symmetriaopen that in VLC22:25
Symmetriaits a multicast -> http proxy :P22:26
Kerberoudpxy?22:26
Kerberolol22:26
Kerberoi know22:26
Kerberoi'm running it too22:26
Symmetriaheh the difference is, that stream is actually coming off internet2 :P22:26
Symmetriathats a proper live stream via true internet multicast22:26
Symmetria:)22:26
Kerberoo22:27
Kerberoit's the open movie project on TV22:27
Kerberoi don't like the fact that udpxy runs everything on one tcp port22:28
Kerberofor stats22:28
Kerberoas a channel per port gives easier access to viewer counts22:29
Kerberoand with udpxy everything is on one22:29
Kerberoso only one total viewer count22:29
Kerberointeresting that that is only a udp stream22:30
Kerberothe original one22:30
Kerberowithout rtp headers22:30
Kerberobut ok, talk again. very interesting stuff22:30
Kerberosleep. now. must.22:30
Symmetrialater man :)22:30

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