[08:11] <elfy> got the new settings manager here now it seems - bit of an issue - why has synaptic disappeared? I can see not having it in the manager if synaptic is going to disappear - but how come it's not in the system menu still ?
[08:12] <knome> elfy, synaptic is not in the seeds anymore
[08:12] <elfy> uninstallable completely?
[08:12] <knome> elfy, you can install it from the repositories
[08:12] <knome> no, just removed from the default xubuntu seed
[08:13] <elfy> that's not what I'm saying 
[08:13] <elfy> audacious isn't in the default - install it and you get a menu item - why is synaptic not getting a menu item at all?
[08:13] <knome> i don't know. audacious being there is a bug then.
[08:14] <elfy> ?
[08:14] <knome> if audacious is not installed, then it's menu icon should not appear in the settings manager
[08:14] <knome> irs
[08:14] <knome> *its
[08:14] <elfy> knome: sorry - translation issues - I'll try again
[08:15] <knome> k
[08:15] <elfy> install audacious and it gets a menu item where you expect to see it, install synaptic and I would expect to see it in system
[08:15] <elfy> it's disappeared completely after the settings manager changes 
[08:16] <elfy> does that make more sense to you :)
[08:16] <knome> yes
[08:29] <elfy> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1043151
[08:36] <knome> elfy, so, to make sure; does synaptic appear *anywhere* ?
[08:36] <elfy> no
[08:36] <knome> ok, good
[08:37] <elfy> oh hang on 
[08:37] <elfy> it's been disabled if you go to alacarte
[08:37] <elfy> and doesn't let you re-enable it 
[08:38] <elfy> I'll add that info to the bug report
[08:38] <knome> yup
[08:40] <elfy> k - done
[08:42] <knome> thanks
[09:03] <knome> pleia2, uhuh
[09:08] <olbi> hello
[09:08] <olbi> some1 know if Linux 3.6 will be in final release?
[09:10] <knome> kernelfreeze is on oct 4, but xubuntu uses the kernel ubuntu has, so better ask somewhere else, like #ubuntu-kernel
[09:10] <knome> but i don't think major release upgrade is going to happen at this time
[09:19] <mr_pouit> mmh, is it a big deal if synaptic is missing?
[09:19] <mr_pouit> Any desktop file with Category=Settings;PackageManager;System; will be missing anyway
[09:20] <knome> hey mr_pouit :)
[09:21] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I can blacklist desktop files (<Filename>foo.desktop</Filename>), or categories, or almost anything
[09:21] <mr_pouit> hey there
[09:21] <elfy> mr_pouit: well it is if you install it and then it disappears :)
[09:28] <mr_pouit> yeah, I'll fix that
[09:28] <elfy> as long as that doesn't mean remove it from the repos :D
[09:29] <elfy> I perfectly understand and agree with it not being in the settings manager - makes complete sense 
[09:36] <smartboyhw> knome: Nice wallpaper on the email you just sent
[09:38] <knome> mr_pouit, bug #1043176
[09:38] <knome> mr_pouit, bug #1043170
[09:40] <mr_pouit> thanks
[09:40] <knome> anything else you need?
[09:42] <mr_pouit> knome: can you get on your table and dance?
[09:42] <mr_pouit> so, no, it's ok :P
[09:42] <knome> mr_pouit, if we get to fix greybird, i'll do that
[09:44] <mr_pouit> oh right
[09:45] <mr_pouit> ochosi: you could file a bug against xserver-xorg in ubuntu about that issue, then knome can poke them :P (the maintainers might know which component changed/why it does that and that may help ofourdan too)
[09:46] <knome> yes, i can
[09:52] <ochosi> basically i think we should forward/link the upstream bugreport
[09:53] <mr_pouit> elfy: http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/xfce-applications.menu << in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus, or ~/.config/menus, and tell me if it's better. Thanks! :P
[09:55] <elfy> appears in menu adding it to ~/.config/menus 
[09:55] <elfy> looks fine 
[09:56] <elfy> mr_pouit: you want me to check in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus as well ?
[09:56] <mr_pouit> no no, it's ok, thanks
[09:56] <elfy> ok :)
[09:57] <knome> mr_pouit, hmm, so, do you need a bug for uploading new elementary-xfce ?
[09:57] <mr_pouit> no, there's already one used by ochosi and bluesabre afaik
[09:58] <knome> ok...
[09:58] <ochosi> yup
[09:58] <knome> # ?
[09:58] <ochosi> it's set to fix committed
[09:58] <knome> ok
[09:58] <ochosi> knome: it's linked in the blueprint
[09:58] <ochosi> my connectivity is rly low here atm
[09:58] <knome> ok, good
[09:58] <knome> that was what i was looking for
[09:59] <knome> i think the slideshow is ready
[10:16] <knome> those who want to test the new xubuntu slideshow, clone https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[10:16] <knome> there's a README how to get it running, but basically it's "install zenity" and "run ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu"
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Tested it and looks great. Thanks knome
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Actually we don't need to install zenity, it is normally included (except if you removed it)
[10:24] <knome> in some release it wasn't, becuase i remember having to install it
[10:25] <smartboyhw> But even in the README it says that it should be installed...
[10:25] <smartboyhw> (Note: needs zenity, which is probably already installed). in README
[10:26] <knome> whatever
[10:26] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:33] <olbi> some1 could zip these files and host it? :) I dont want to install bzr now :P
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Why?
[10:34] <olbi> becasue this is my working machine, testing is in home already :P
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Wait
[10:37] <smartboyhw> olbi: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-b3529a7e.html
[10:38] <olbi> thx :)
[10:39] <smartboyhw> ;)
[13:28] <olbi> strange errors have
[13:28] <olbi> (zenity:13042): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1679:17: Junk at end of value
[13:28] <smartboyhw> olbi: What?
[13:28] <olbi> when running these slides
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Weird, i only get font warnings
[13:30] <olbi> i run it on Ubuntu 11.10
[13:41] <ochosi> olbi: most likely too old gtk3
[13:41] <ochosi> (most likely == i'm pretty sure)
[13:41] <olbi> hmm, think so :P
[13:42] <olbi> I presume that in system couldn't be gtk2 and gtk3?
[13:53] <bluesabre> 11.10 was using gtk 3.2, right?  That was like, brand new
[13:59] <olbi> yep, 3.2 it is
[19:52] <knome> mr_pouit, status with elementary-xfce and the new panel layout?
[19:56] <knome> mr_pouit, also, what's the stance on bug #1005785
[21:54] <ochosi> knome: but #1005785 was postponed due to lack of space :/
[21:54] <ochosi> s/but/bug/
[21:54] <knome> ochosi, oh, ok
[21:55] <knome> then why is it new/linked?
[21:59] <ochosi> i think it was kinda "postponed", you know...
[21:59] <knome> heh
[21:59] <knome> if you don't want to change the bug status, then unlink it so it doesn't appear in the Q work items
[22:01] <knome> Book_em_Dano, o hai
[22:02] <pleia2> oh bother, spamtastic wiki
[22:02] <knome> haha
[22:02] <knome> spamtastic knome
[22:02] <knome> hey pleia2 
[22:02] <knome> you have time now? :]
[22:02] <pleia2> no, getting the wiki sorted, then back to work
[22:03] <knome> bah
[22:03] <knome> so, kick out knome?
[22:03] <pleia2> knome is fine
[22:03] <knome> ;)
[22:04] <knome> are you saying i'm not working hard enough?!
[22:04]  * pleia2 gives knome a gold star
[22:04] <knome> hehe
[22:04] <knome> not platinum?
[22:05] <pleia2> maybe later
[22:05] <knome> ha
[22:05] <knome> i just fixed most of "internet and networks"
[22:05] <knome> as you probably noticed
[23:30] <pleia2> I accidentally nuked the RecentChanges page and didn't have backups
[23:30] <pleia2> sorry about that
[23:30]  * pleia2 loses 20 sysadmin points
[23:31] <pleia2> but the spam is gone, I'll keep an eye on it
[23:34] <knome> doh
[23:34] <knome> :)
[23:35] <pleia2> and I'm making backups now ;)
[23:39] <knome> hah
[23:50] <knome> pleia2, reference to synaptic https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Installing packages without an Internet connection
[23:51] <pleia2> yeah well, that's because it's a poorly maintained wiki :)
[23:51] <knome> o'rly
[23:51] <pleia2> we should all just use the arch wiki
[23:51] <knome> hah