[01:16] <Maro848> is there a way to install the old gnome 2 desktop environmet from the repositories in 12.04 or do I have to rely of modifying the gnome fallback mode after I install the gnome 3 desktop?
[01:30] <ms-daisy> wilee-nilee!!!!
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> hi ms-daisy, things going well?
[01:33] <ms-daisy> indeed, thanks! You?
[01:33] <wilee-nilee> yes pretty good, can't complain. ;)
[05:10] <nUboon2Age> geirha: just a note that 12.04 LTS desktop is also 5 year support.  They changed the policy from 3 to 5 years.
[05:12] <bioterror> seems like geirha stands now corrected ;)
[05:15] <bioterror> hi nUboon2Age  ;)
[12:04] <ubuntu> hey can i get help
[12:05] <nothingspecial> yuo would better in a support channel gendy, what's up ?
[12:05] <gendy> my hard disk isn't read at live ubuntu
[12:06] <nothingspecial> when you try to install ?
[12:06] <gendy> look , here is the whole matter
[12:06] <gendy> my hard disk is 500 gb sata
[12:06] <nothingspecial> oops this is a support channel, ignore my first reply :D
[12:07] <gendy> ok
[12:07] <nothingspecial> so you can't view your hard drive ?
[12:07] <gendy> yes
[12:08] <gendy> but it apppear on windows 7 drives list as basic
[12:08] <nothingspecial> what happens if you choose "try ubuntu" can you see it in the sidebar of the file browser ?
[12:08] <gendy> no
[12:08] <gendy> what i can see is my 160 gb hard disk
[12:09] <nothingspecial> is this an external hard drive you are talking about ?
[12:10] <gendy> no
[12:10] <nothingspecial> I don't know gendy, have you tried in #ubuntu ?
[12:11] <gendy> ok , i'll try it
[12:11] <nothingspecial> ok
[13:42] <usk> hi! i'm having troubles with do-release-upgrade... i was running it in a remote console and that machine is very slow, so the screen session of the upgrade locked and asks for root password (which isn't set of course). i still have access via ssh, so i tried sudo passwd root, but screen still won't unlock. any ideas how i could fix this?
[14:14] <holstein> usk: what are you doing? upgrading a machine you dont have physical access to?
[14:15] <holstein> i would expect to run all those commands as root.. sudo
[14:16] <usk> holstein: nevermind, i used screen -R per ssh to recover the session
[14:16] <usk> holstein: and then i messed it up by pressing ctrl+c because i thought it froze when it was just really really slow
[14:17] <usk> holstein: so now i have to do dpkg-reconf anyways ^^
[14:18] <holstein> well... you dont have to upgrade.. if you are on 12.04 LTS and its a server, you might want to stay on the LTS
[14:20] <usk> holstein: it was 10.04 before
[14:20] <holstein> and still is?
[14:20] <usk> no, screen locked some time during updating the packets
[14:21] <usk> holstein: so the repos are already changed
[14:21] <holstein> cool... sounds like a mess...
[14:21] <usk> holstein: yeah... at least that thing isn't in production ^^
[14:22] <usk> holstein: good idea using screen for the do-release-upgrade script when that bug still isn't patched in the repos -.-
[14:22] <holstein> that bug?
[14:23] <usk> holstein: the screen bug that locked me out in the first place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen/+bug/6760
[14:23] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 6760 in screen "Screen asks for root password" [Medium,Fix released]
[14:25] <holstein> hmmm... thats the bug you encountered?
[14:25] <usk> ah fix released sounds good... sadly not for arm-arch. did an upgrade before the release-upgrade that didn't help :(
[14:25] <holstein> ive done sudo commands in screen and screen didnt ask for a password, it just reconnected
[14:26] <usk> holstein: yeah, maybe you already have the patched version
[14:26] <holstein> i *never* run sudo screen though
[14:26] <usk> holstein: it's in the do-release-upgrade script, i don't do that either usually
[14:27] <holstein> i would just start a screen session and sudo command or sudo -s
[14:27] <usk> holstein: once the dpkg-reconf is through i'll test, maybe it's just the 10.04 arm-arch repos that are outdated
[14:28] <usk> holstein: i did do-release-upgrade and it asked for sudo rights and then continued to launch screen -.-
[14:28] <holstein> im not following exactly what you did.. im just saying what i have done, which "just worked"
[14:28] <usk> holstein: and i'm trying to explain what didn't work ^^
[14:30] <holstein> cool.. im just testing here too, and reconnecting to screen sessions where im logged in as root
[14:30] <holstein> i just wouldnt start screen as root
[14:30] <usk> heh if i had an option i wouldn't either, but the ubuntu do-release-upgrade script does it automatically
[14:30] <holstein> does what? starts screen?
[14:30] <usk> why on earth would i give screen su rights? ^^
[14:31] <usk> yes that script uses screen to log
[14:31] <holstein> maybe you can help track down that bug then... thats not what that bug is about from what i read
[14:33] <usk> yes it is... the problem is this. user starts do-release-upgrade (without sudo). do-release-upgrade asks for sudo permission (without which it can't continue). then, with sudo rights, do-release-upgrade starts screen. after a while screen locks because of inactivity, and then this known bug happens
[14:34] <holstein> sure, but that bug is looking at screen, and i dont see that as the issue
[14:34] <holstein> either way, you should try the server channel or mailing list... maybe someone knows whats up with that script on that arch
[14:35] <usk> yeah... i guess i will
[14:36] <usk> it's easy to bypass if you have a second way of accessing the machine though
[14:36] <holstein> sure, but if its a bug in that script, it should be sorted... there are not a lot of arm users
[17:42] <beginner007> Dear Community, simple beginner question, but i am freightend to lose my data. Is i possible via Boot of Ubuntu BootCd (InstallCD)  to reduce existing partitionsizes,  to install Ubuntu to a new one while have a "backup" at the now reduced partition... is this possiblke via Installation BootCD Gui?
[17:42] <holstein> you are frightened?.. i wouldnt be frightened.. i would be certain that all hard driver *will* fail and plan for it
[17:43] <holstein> i would back up you data however you choose and go from there.. you dont want backups on the same hard drive
[17:44] <holstein> hard drives* ..not "hard driver"
[17:44] <beginner007> My actual situation is i have to switch from Openelec.tv to Ubuntu because of hardware incompabilities... but i have ~ 1 TB of TV recordings and i don't want to burn DVDs of that....
[17:44] <beginner007> hoped its possible to get around to b uy a new harddrive...
[17:45] <beginner007> for backup that stuff
[17:45] <beginner007> holstein german?
[17:46] <beginner007> incompatibilities.
[17:48] <beginner007> I thought, .... and i don't know anything about it... Boot from install CD > recognising old OS (openelec) > Diskpart or something to reduce dize of main partition, create new and install ubuntu on it....
[17:49] <beginner007> so no way in?
[17:50] <holstein> you can just use the live CD to "grab" data
[17:50] <holstein> i would just look for leagal ways to obtain stores of that content.. maybe on DVD or streaming
[17:50] <holstein> otherwise, i can help you try and locate "data"
[17:52] <beginner007> Sorry i don't understand... leagal ways? I used Openelec.tv PVR on Fusion and get stuck with that xvba Blocking... so i thought to switch to ubuntu... some people say there ist something like a fglx (i don#t remember exactly) driver wich does better perform...
[17:53] <holstein> beginner007: what im saying is, im not going to help you "save" a bunch of tv shows that you arent supposed to have saved
[17:53] <holstein> i will help with data..
[17:54] <beginner007> you shouldn#t help with data, i asked for partitionresizing...
[17:55] <holstein> beginner007: cool
[17:55] <holstein> beginner007: i use gparted.. you can get that from *any* live CD.. or gparted live
[17:55] <beginner007> gparted is able to resize partions savely?
[17:56] <beginner007> ok, thank you.. i will try that....
[17:57] <holstein> beginner007: i *always* back up data before doing anything like that
[17:57] <holstein> all hard drives fail.. resizing is risky.. there is no way to guarantee
[17:58] <beginner007> if the tv recordings DVR PVR are lost i will survive... but there are much christmas stuff and so on for familiy... and lots of work...  - i administer a server... on that i do backups too... ^^ but not 1 TB of TV Stuff... thats not important enough... but i don#t want it lost also...
[17:58] <holstein> beginner007: all hard drives fail, so eventually all data you have on one hard drive will be lost
[17:59] <beginner007> if i can do anything other that format the harddisc ;)
[17:59] <holstein> there are recovery tools... photorec part of testdisk works great
[18:00] <beginner007> i will make a backup of it, but i have to transcode that stuff to x264 and that takes time ifg i will do a good job....
[18:00] <holstein> yeah.. pirating content is time consuming
[18:01] <beginner007> i don#t want to transcode now, i want to install ubuntu now... but i think maybe i will take out the harddrive out of the pvr and install it in my desktopcomputer to copy that onto my regular harddisk....
[18:01] <beginner007> In germany its allowed to record tv content.
[18:01] <beginner007> thats no pirating here.
[18:02] <holstein> enjoy!.. id treat it like any data then... back it up or expect it to be gone
[18:04] <beginner007> i think you are a little bit too rough for beginners... i never pirated anything... and i think you should lern to behave fiendlier...  this is beginers of ubuntu. You are right with securing data, but i feel little bit fed up with your behaviour to me. I#ve done nothing bad, i only asked for help to resize my partition of pvr content (which is completly legal).
[18:07] <beginner007> Thank you for the tip with gparted... if its good as paragon diskmanager it will do its job without trashing data.
[18:07] <holstein> beginner007: thanks for your opinion.. you are more than welcome to hang here and provide support in the way you choose... and i will support you!
[18:08] <holstein> i have always said i would help you and discuss "data" management with you
[18:08] <beginner007> thats the way of community....
[18:10] <beginner007> do you think i have to provide support and then i get support?
[18:13] <holstein> beginner007: didnt mean to imply that.. what im saying is, you can provide support in the way you see fit here.. and as long as its with the code of conduct, i will be only supportive or you doing so