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| mvo | jibel: hello, can you give me a hint on this jenkins error: "sh: 0: Can't open /tmp/tmp.1kRfnWr0Ov/dsc0-build/software-center-5.3.10/debian/tests/run-tests" ? from the latest upload. I guess the real issue is "-su: line 0: cd: /tmp/tmp.1kRfnWr0Ov/dsc0-build/software-center-5.3.10: Permission denied" - but why? | 13:56 |
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| jibel | mvo, I'm on it. autopkgtest set TMPDIR and set it to 0700 | 14:04 |
| jibel | mvo, I'll apply the same /fix/ pitti uses for his tests | 14:04 |
| mvo | jibel: if you tell me what the fix is I will merge it :) | 14:05 |
| pitti | agreed; setting this private $TMPDIR leads to nothing but trouble in a lot of tests :( | 14:05 |
| pitti | just run the tests under env -u TMPDIR, or "unset TMPDIR" in debian/tests/* | 14:05 |
| mvo | pitti: cool, thanks, trying this now | 14:15 |
| xnox | bug 1043853 filed against ubiquity, when a person runs a command in a terminal..... | 14:16 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043853 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt ignored few packages on executing 'sudo apt-get update'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043853 | 14:16 |
| * xnox refiled it.... | 14:16 | |
| jibel | xnox, he seems to be using ubiquity for everything e.g bug 1043860 | 14:23 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043860 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Manual setting of time and date has no effect on the clock present on the desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043860 | 14:23 |
| xnox | jibel: My theory is that iso tracking website, on the bug reporting page suggests to file bugs against ubiquity | 14:24 |
| xnox | jibel: maybe they should be changed more urgently to a "link to bugsquad wiki page" or a paragraph "select an appropriate package, if all fails then use ubiquity package" | 14:24 |
| xnox | launchpad has an excellent package search facility =) | 14:24 |
| jibel | the tracker should refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures#Bugs | 14:27 |
| jibel | balloons, could we replace the content of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions with the section https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures#Bugs | 14:30 |
| jibel | balloons, what do you think ? | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | jibel: Let | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw | 's wait for balloons to wake up:) | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw | ping balloons | 14:33 |
| * balloons is reading | 14:36 | |
| smartboyhw | balloons: Who shall be the chairs for September QA meetings? | 14:36 |
| balloons | jibel, I think xnox's summary for how to report bugs is pretty good | 14:38 |
| balloons | basically changing the instructions and of course, adding the bug wiki pages you mentioned as required reading will help out | 14:38 |
| balloons | this looks interesting; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures | 14:39 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 14:41 |
| balloons | anyways, let me try and update the instructions and see what everyone thingks | 14:42 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 14:43 |
| mvo | jibel, pitti: do you have a example I can look at? I just can't figure it out :/ keeps failing in my adt test VM | 14:43 |
| pitti | mvo: gvfs and apport | 14:44 |
| pitti | one does "unset TMPDIR" | 14:44 |
| pitti | the other "env -u TMPDIR /usr/share/apport/testsuite/run 2>&1" | 14:44 |
| mvo | ta! | 14:45 |
| balloons | jibel, xnox http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions | 14:59 |
| balloons | need to fix the formatting a bit, but thoughts? | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | balloons: I saw it and it's good. | 15:00 |
| xnox | balloons: yeah, add jquery AJAX UI to make it a flowcharts with yes/no questions like in magazines with Text-to-Speech automated announcements "Press 1 if yes, Press 2 if no, Press 3 to repeat" and it will be grand =) | 15:01 |
| xnox | balloons: but honestly. Yes it is good =) | 15:02 |
| balloons | heh.. :-) | 15:02 |
| balloons | that would be nice | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | ;_) | 15:02 |
| balloons | alright, so i'll clean up the formatting a little and then replace the instructions on the rest | 15:02 |
| xnox | balloons: it should be one line | 15:08 |
| xnox | balloons: e.g. table with three columns | 15:08 |
| balloons | not sure I can do a true table | 15:08 |
| balloons | but yes, keep describing | 15:08 |
| xnox | balloons: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1176073/ | 15:13 |
| xnox | it is actually fixed-size in the terminal | 15:13 |
| balloons | ahh, I see it | 15:13 |
| xnox | i should not scroll the window | 15:14 |
| balloons | yes.. it's way to olong | 15:14 |
| xnox | it's a short paragraph not a manual =) | 15:14 |
| balloons | heh.. the trouble is those pre tags | 15:15 |
| balloons | maybe I'll bold instead | 15:15 |
| balloons | xnox, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions | 15:26 |
| bdmurray | xnox, balloons: that buginstructions page misses plymouth as a posibility and I don't think it should have the 'if unknown' line. Actually, I don't think 'ubuntu-bug ubuntu' would work at all | 16:12 |
| mvo | jibel, pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/software-center/adt-you-make-my-life-hard/+merge/122100 as the tree is alreaady created as root :/ feedback welcome, then it should be in reasonable state (fingers crossed) | 16:13 |
| balloons | bdmurray, alright we can keep iterating on it | 16:14 |
| balloons | the goal is to get more bugs in the proper location | 16:14 |
| balloons | that will help everyone :-) | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | right I understand and appreciate the work | 16:15 |
| xnox | bdmurray: true, hard to separate grub2/xorg/plymouth/linux though, as I myself rarely know where the difference lies. | 16:15 |
| jibel | mvo, heh, I did exactly the same :) | 16:15 |
| balloons | your right.. ubuntu-bug ubuntu doesn't work.. I was supposed to find something for that | 16:15 |
| balloons | whoops | 16:15 |
| xnox | "package ubuntu does not exist" | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | well plymouth is 'graphics before login' and xorg is graphics 'during and after login' | 16:15 |
| jibel | mvo, I not sure it really make sense that adt creates averything as root and the top directory permission set to 0700 | 16:15 |
| xnox | bdmurray: unless it's compiz or lightdm problem | 16:16 |
| xnox | ;-) | 16:16 |
| bdmurray | well yes but I think xorg and plymouth are better starting points than just xorg | 16:18 |
| xnox | bdmurray: sure. you know better to be honest =) i was stabbing the darkness trying to stop the flood of ubiquity bugs about $random_packages =)))) | 16:19 |
| bdmurray | oh also all those +filebug links will only work if you are in ubuntu bug control | 16:20 |
| balloons | yea, adding another data point isn't inhernetly bad.. I don't want to overload people, but we can keep the instructions simple, it will help | 16:20 |
| balloons | bdmurray, they seem to work fine for me: https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+participation | 16:21 |
| balloons | unless I'm somehow special.. | 16:21 |
| bdmurray | balloons: indeed you are special as a member of ubuntu bug control | 16:21 |
| bdmurray | oh | 16:22 |
| bdmurray | for you it is probably being in ubuntu-drivers then | 16:23 |
| balloons | bdmurray, ahh.. well, I think you've got the problem now | 16:25 |
| balloons | how can we achieve the goal? | 16:25 |
| balloons | I didn't realize the +fileabug was special :-) | 16:26 |
| bdmurray | in my mind the goal is to get high quality bug reports and the way to do that is to have people report them using apport | 16:26 |
| bdmurray | so there should be no OR | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | I realize this is a rather hard line stance and there are cases where people's system won't boot etc but we just get so many low quality bug reports with +filebug being open | 16:31 |
| balloons | bdmurray, yes I understand that | 16:32 |
| balloons | so +filebug is closed to most folks? | 16:33 |
| balloons | I also use that for general testing purposes.. like from a ppa | 16:33 |
| balloons | or is it only closed for some packages? | 16:33 |
| bdmurray | balloons: yes, it redirects people to the how to file a bug documentation on help.ubuntu.com | 16:34 |
| balloons | ok, so the links as they are now are re-directs on how to file a bug for most people | 16:35 |
| bdmurray | yes, which seems odd to me as the chart will have | 16:35 |
| bdmurray | 'ubuntu-bug xorg' or a link to a web page that says 'ubuntu-bug xorg' | 16:36 |
| balloons | ok, we need to provide something for folks that have unbootable systems.. | 16:36 |
| balloons | so what's the best way to do that if the system won't boot? | 16:37 |
| bdmurray | ask somebody for help | 16:37 |
| balloons | we just need proper recommendations for all scenarios | 16:37 |
| balloons | bdmurray, in some cases it's not booting because of a bug.. I mean, we could ask them to boot an older livecd.. maybe that's just a fringe case to indvidually deal with | 16:38 |
| bdmurray | yes an older live cd or a previous release if it used to boot | 16:38 |
| bdmurray | or read documentation about how to boot without splash and kernel options.... | 16:39 |
| bdmurray | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot | 16:40 |
| balloons | bdmurray, ok, so we'll remove the file-bug links | 17:57 |
| balloons | and in general force folks to use ubuntu-bug to report.. what if the package is unknown to them? Again should we just remove ubuntu (no package) as an option for reporting? | 17:58 |
| bdmurray | balloons: then the find the right package documentation may help | 18:07 |
| balloons | right.. ok, so I made all those changes | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | balloons: or that documentation might be in the reportingbugs page | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | balloons: great, thanks! | 18:08 |
| balloons | they can always (and they do) ask for help | 18:08 |
| balloons | that might be better than the generic filing | 18:08 |
| balloons | thank you bdmurray :-) | 18:11 |
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| phillw | balloons: ping | 22:28 |
| leadsled | is reporting a bug for util-linux package the same as for any other package? | 22:36 |
| phillw | leadsled: it should be? | 22:37 |
| leadsled | ok thanks | 22:37 |
| phillw | too late.. he's gone :/ | 22:39 |
| leadsled | when does the pre-beta testing in quantal officially end? | 23:53 |
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