[00:46] <stilofromfr> Good night everyone , can somebody help me with this udev rules to recognize an android allwinnner A10 tablet with ADB over usb ? : # adb protocol on passion (ondaVi30v1) SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="0003", MODE="0600", OWNER="<ylan>"
[00:46] <stilofromfr> it doesnt show up in adb ... thanks if someone is still up :)
[00:47] <stilofromfr> is there anything differnet to configure those on 12.04?
[03:19] <stilofromfr> Hello everyone I need urgent help on adb please ?!
[03:21] <stilofromfr> I cant get to see my tab I only get ??????????? no permission when Im rooted on my tablet according to superuser also I cant backup wcorrectly the stock rom , I need lights pls
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:36] <christel> morning!
[07:36] <christel> diplo: how was it? :D
[07:37] <diplo> Hiya christel, ok I think. We chatted for about 3 hours so can't have been that bad :)
[07:37] <diplo> She was nicer than her photo which was a bonus ( not that looks are everything but they do help )
[07:38] <diplo> Just as we left she said about seeing me again, but dont know if that's to remove the awkwardness, so will see in the coming days
[07:38] <popey> yay
[07:39] <popey> now leave it the industry standard two days before contacting again :)
[07:39] <popey> or.. find her on facebook and stalk her
[07:39] <diplo> Well lets just hope that has removed some of the nervousness from me!
[07:39] <diplo> Found her on FB already but won't stalk :D
[07:39] <popey> heh
[07:40] <diplo> She's away for 2 days anyway so good timing for me.
[07:41] <christel> diplo: :D
[07:41] <christel> superb!!
[07:41] <christel> i am most pleased for you \o/
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - so glad I don't have to deal with that kind of thing anymore.
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all btw
[07:44] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd rather not as well
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> oh.
[07:45] <diplo> quite happy to go straight to a full time relationship, skip the dating side that is
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[07:45] <diplo> More because I'm rubbish at it
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was never much cop at the chase. In fact Mrs OpenSourcerer ended up having to ask me out ;-)
[07:46] <christel> hehe
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mightily glad she did.
[07:46] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: That would be great!
[07:51] <christel> i am suffering slightly today
[07:51] <diplo> booze ?
[07:52] <christel> yeah, went for a post-holiday gossipfest with friends last night... and feel in dire need of another holiday today!
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> you back now then christel?
[07:53] <christel> yesss :D
[07:53] <christel> we should go on a date!
[07:53] <christel> of the lunch variety
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - not sure how my beloved wife would react.
[07:54] <christel> haha <3
[07:54] <christel> sok, we can bring AlanBell to chaperone!
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Next week is pants. AlanBell is helping at the Paralympics most of the week so I will be "manning the fort" as they say.
[07:55] <christel> ah yes! he is donning his dreadfully camp polyester suit for a week
[08:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:28] <christel> MORNING JAMESLOVELYTAIT <3
[08:32]  * daubers sits in the dark waiting for the UPS to run out and the router to go off
[08:32] <daubers> stupid electric company
[08:35] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:39] <christel> \o brobostigon
[08:39] <brobostigon> \o christel
[08:45] <AlanBell> choo choo
[09:24] <mungojerry> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html << miguel de icaza gives up on desktop linux
[09:25] <mungojerry> to be fair, he's always talked like that. people used to think he was secretly working for MS
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungojerry: That's a yawn inspiring post if ever I read one.
[09:40] <mungojerry> tinged with flamebait
[09:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> indeed. Well he's probably a bit skint and needs to get a new job.
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[09:40] <directhex> he gave up on desktop linux years ago
[09:41] <directhex> how many years ago was helixcode, have things changed much since then?
[09:42] <directhex> or International GNOME Support before that
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think, except for devs and graphic designers the whole "desktop" (whatever that is) is probably dead anyway.
[09:44] <mungojerry> i think who you mix with has an effect on your opinions. where i work, the linux desktop is thriving. if you hang out with hipsters and designers, then you could be forgiven for wondering if any other company besides apple & adobe produce hardware and software
[09:44] <directhex> mungojerry, introspection is important though
[09:45] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, the world & hos wife is on ipads these days?
[09:45] <mungojerry> yes, constructive criticism indeed
[09:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: ipads, Tabs, smartphones, phablets and whatever next will pop out of the woodwork...
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> The new Samsung Camera is an interesting development - bits of "intelligent h/w" for a specific job rather than a general purpose "PC"...
[09:47] <popey> my mother in law has a desktop computer in her office, no smartphone. she recently retired, and got an ipad as a retirement present. i dont think she's used the pc since
[09:48] <gord> i don't see the worlds offices being replaced with ipads anytime soon
[09:48] <mungojerry> popey, how about data entry? does she have a bluetooth keyboard?
[09:48] <mungojerry> i like the idea of asus transformer, but you still need large disk to store your stuff
[09:48] <popey> she didnt until this week when her hubby bought one for her as a present
[09:49] <popey> i doubt she'll use it tbh
[09:49] <mungojerry> how does she type emails?
[09:49] <popey> there is this virtual keyboard which pops up on the screen
[09:49] <mungojerry> 10x slower than typing though
[09:49] <mungojerry> maybe she has the time
[09:49] <popey> i dont think its that slow
[09:50] <popey> i can type pretty quick on iphone and ipad
[09:50] <popey> but if she needs to she now has the hw keyboard if it's a tome
[09:50] <mungojerry> even swyping i can't write more than a few lines without thinking i need to crack open the laptop or not bother
[09:50] <popey> *shrug*
[09:51] <gord> typing on an ipad or anything larger isn't so bad, anything small sucks though
[09:52] <mungojerry> i think laptops will become slimmer and more device-like (i.e hard to replace parts), but laptops will be around for quite a while
[09:52] <Mez> mungojerry: on the transformer - typing isn't too bad as it feels close to a full size keyboard in landscape.
[09:52] <mungojerry> on the real keyboard or the touchscreen?
[09:55] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod
[10:02] <christel> GOOD MORNING davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> christel: oh that's loud I'm guessing you had a good night at the pub :D
[10:04] <christel> the pub was good, the morning was not so good :P
[10:04] <christel> improving now though
[10:08] <popey> 08457581545
[10:08] <popey> uh, oops
[10:09]  * christel calls
[10:10] <davmor2> popey: D'oh
[10:10] <popey> meh
[10:11] <christel> (i always use irc as my "place to write stuff down" -- but i now have a query window with myself for the purpose as i end up sharing the weirdest stuff with The World otherwise)
[10:13] <popey> :)
[10:13] <gord> i've typed passwords into irc lots recently, cos i'm super smart
[10:13] <popey> thats exactly what i did
[10:13]  * davmor2 goes back and checks all of gords irc chats for passwords 
[10:14]  * bigcalm rolls in
[10:14] <bigcalm> Sprints are painful
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do chap
[10:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: worn down. How's you?
[10:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm good thanks
[10:15] <christel> BIGCLAM :D:D:D:D
[10:15] <christel> how are you one of my bestestest and most favourite people in the entire world ever?!
[10:15] <bigcalm> mgdm: Boss is going to attend phpnw conference and is buying our tickets :D Have to pay for the hotel myself though...
[10:15] <bigcalm> LOL
[10:15] <bigcalm> Hey christel :D
[10:16] <bigcalm> christel: all the happier for seeing you
[10:16] <mgdm> bigcalm: woo!
[10:16] <bigcalm> christel: how are you my dear?
[10:16] <bigcalm> christel: I get the feeling that you want something of me? ;)
[10:17] <christel> bigcalm: :D
[10:17] <christel> me?! never!
[10:18] <christel> i just miss you that is all!
[10:18] <christel> :P
[10:18] <gord> genius idea, sprinkle some sort of mint on my vanilla latte
[10:19]  * bigcalm hugs christel
[10:22] <christel> HUGS ARE MY FAVOURITE :D
[10:22]  * christel hugs bigcalm 
[10:24]  * mungojerry prods diplo 
[10:30] <diplo> ello
[10:31] <mungojerry> how'd it go last night?
[10:32] <Mez> christel: are you causing trouble again ?
[10:34] <diplo> not to bad thanks, not sure if it's a goer or not, but I got more comfortable as the night went on, like an interview it'll get better with time I'm hoping :)
[10:35] <christel> Mez: never! i always behave well like the angelic person that i am :)
[10:35] <mungojerry> cool diplo :D
[10:35] <Mez> christel: I think I just saw something pink fly past my window.
[10:35] <mungojerry> did you show her your tux tattoo?
[10:36] <davmor2> Mez: wow you have pink planes out in coventry?
[10:36] <diplo> heh, no but her son has got a Rasp Pi! I was well impressed ( he's 12 )
[10:36] <Mez> It was kind of .... bacon shaped.
[10:36] <daubers> bacon?????
[10:36]  * daubers wants bacon
[10:36] <davmor2> Mez: but Jono's in the states
[10:37] <mungojerry> how do you get a surname like bacon anyway?
[10:37] <Mez> mungojerry: I'd reply to that - but it's too easy to make jokes about ancestry and pigs.
[10:37] <mungojerry> This most interesting surname has two possible interpretations, both of Germanic origin. It may be a metonymic occupational name for someone who prepared and sold cured pork, a pork butcher, from the Old French, Middle English "bacun, bacon", bacon, ham (of Germanic origin). The name, according to another source may derive from the Germanic personal name "Bac(c)o", "Bahho", from the root "bag", to fight, which was common among t
[10:37] <mungojerry> he Normans in the form "Bacus", "Bacon". Hence, the name was probably introduced into England by the Normans after the Conquest of 1066.
[10:38] <davmor2> mungojerry: well some woman marry Sir Francis and then had kids, and they had kids and so on
[10:39] <mungojerry> just discovered that synapse has an gnome-do theme...cheeky lol
[10:39] <mungojerry> looks identical
[10:40] <daubers> all this talk of bacon has made me hungry
[10:40] <mungojerry> i might go for bacon sarnie this lunch
[10:40] <christel> mmm i quite fancy some bacon also
[10:40] <davmor2> is betting that christel already has a bacon sandwich
[10:40] <christel> not yet! :P
[10:41] <christel> i am playing a game to pick a random number so that i can give this client a quote
[10:41] <christel> they were all "ZOMG WE HAVE THIS URGENT STUFF WE NEEDED BY 8AM ON MONDAY, WE WILL PAY YOU AN URGENCY FEE IF YOU CAN WORK AT THE WEEKEND!" so i now have to decide what my urgency fee should be
[10:43] <daubers> christel: Roll a d20 and multiply by £1000?
[10:43] <christel> i like your thinking!
[10:43] <daubers> (that's not how I cost engineer days for people I don't like..... honest)
[10:44] <christel> *grin*
[10:44] <mungojerry> time x 1.5 ?
[10:44] <davmor2> daubers: I think you mean roll 5 d20's
[10:44] <daubers> davmor2: Hah!
[10:44] <mungojerry> i have managed to avoid ever having to work on a sunday before
[10:45] <mungojerry> i just say "aint gonna happen dude"
[10:46] <davmor2> daubers: with a d20 there is still the chance of getting 1
[10:46] <bigcalm> mgdm: this is what I get for booking late. Had to get the Executive room for 75 quid a night
[10:47] <christel> x 1.5 could work.. or simply x 2 (they need it so they're hardly likely to argue)
[10:47] <christel> bigcalm: where you off to?
[10:49] <bigcalm> christel: PHP North West conference in October up in Manc
[10:49] <christel> aa
[10:56] <christel> :)
[10:56] <daubers> davmor2: Not with my d20...
[10:57] <davmor2> daubers: weighted d20's don't count, also d20's with 20 on every side don't count either :D
[10:58] <daubers> davmor2: :p
[10:59] <popey> mungojerry, you work in public sector? :)
[11:07] <mungojerry> popey, yes
[11:07] <mungojerry> only recently though, most years were in banking sector and softwre
[11:09] <mungojerry> where i was often the main linux guy
[11:09] <popey> why don't you work weekends?
[11:10] <jpds> popey: I do.
[11:11]  * jpds runs.
[11:11] <mungojerry> i value time with my family, and i enjoy going to church on sunday more than i do going to work. my good spiritual wellbeing has an impact on my work life too
[11:11] <popey> Ah.
[11:12] <mungojerry> i've managed to avoid issues until now by agreeing to do a saturday and then early on the monday for office moves and power downs etc
[11:12] <popey> people still go to church on sunday :S
[11:12] <mungojerry> it generally works out well for my sanity not to make too many compromises
[11:12] <mungojerry> yes, my church has over 1000 on a sunday, it's brilliant
[11:13] <christel> see, i wish i had sensible values like that... i frequently end up working at weekends instead of spending time with my family, most often motivated by shoes... i may place too high a value on my ability to purchase shoes :s
[11:13] <popey> golly
[11:14] <christel> my that is a rather large attendance
[11:15] <mungojerry> it's not your songs of praise type dusty church thing. most churches nowadays have different approach
[11:17] <mungojerry> anyone understand what the zeitgeist full text search extension does? i understand it doesn't index all of the text in a file, but trying to understand what it gives me
[11:19] <brobostigon> interesting, amazon android appstore, now available in the uk.
[11:19] <mungojerry> brobostigon, do they still do free app of the day?
[11:19] <brobostigon> mungojerry: yes.
[11:20] <christel> balls, they accepted my x2 quote, i should have gone higher!
[11:20] <mungojerry> gamblers regret.
[11:21] <mungojerry> brobostigon, do you have a link please?
[11:21] <mungojerry> not showing on my amazon page
[11:21] <christel> i always quote way too conservatively i think... i never know what would be "too far" so i tend to play it safe and then go "duh... i should have gone higher" :)
[11:22] <mungojerry> amazon are announcing some stuffs in september too
[11:22] <brobostigon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.htmfedup.com.aul?docId=1000644603
[11:22] <mungojerry> ta
[11:23] <brobostigon> :)
[11:23] <mungojerry> no room on my phone for more apps but my tablet has loads :D
[11:23] <mungojerry> i'm enjoying world of goo like never before on my tablet
[11:26] <daubers> Hmmm... never liked the Amazon ToS for their App Store. Have they fixed it yet?
[11:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's not fair. 12 peeps have rated christel 's rack but only 3 mine :-( http://ratemyspicerack.com/opensourcerer/
[11:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Funny pic of the day - a cow laughing at a horse stuck in a gate https://twitter.com/MATTYB00SH/status/241104086630539264/photo/1
[11:31]  * christel rates TheOpenSourcerer's rack
[11:32] <diplo> I will take a look tonight and rate TheOpenSourcerer as I have to add my cupboard rack :)
[11:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer hates waiting for the postman...
[11:36] <directhex> badger
[11:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> hedgehog
[11:46] <czajkowski> dog
[11:47] <davmor2> Moo Cow
[11:54]  * mungojerry returns to desk with BLT and after eight sweets
[11:56] <mungojerry> been thinking about the amazon appstore. i would actually be more inclined to use it than google one since i don't have goog payments set up
[11:56]  * gord has candy that tastes like sweet potato and has edible wrappers :P
[11:57] <popey> i used to eat the wrappers from opal fruits
[11:57] <gord> that explains a lot
[11:58] <mungojerry> remember mint acers?
[11:58] <mungojerry> mmmm
[11:59] <davmor2> popey: thet missed a treat not making them out of rice paper :)
[12:10] <czajkowski> oh edible paper
[12:10] <czajkowski> yummy stuff
[12:13] <oly> hi, Anyone know if you can create web app integrations with python, ie using the new ubuntu feature in 12.10 looked around but not finding anything :/
[12:19] <mungojerry> just read that gnomebuntu is getting a release with 12.10
[12:24] <czajkowski> gnomebuntu?
[12:26] <KungFuPanda> Hi guys, I want to write a init.d script in order to run youtrack or teamcity on system boot up,  I do not know anything about init.d script, anyone can give a good script tutorial ?
[12:28] <mungojerry> czajkowski, http://worldofgnome.org/gnomebuntu-is-set-to-arrive-in-october-18/
[12:33] <bigcalm> mgdm: is there a guide to writing good annotations so that phpdoc can pick them up?
[12:35] <bigcalm> KungFuPanda: 1st result searching on "how to write a init.d script": http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-write-sys-v-init-script-to-start-stop-service.html
[12:35] <bigcalm> KungFuPanda: there are many more results to wade though as well
[12:40] <KungFuPanda> bigcalm: thanks a lot
[13:04] <ali1234> oly: you use dbus like a normal application
[13:15] <mungojerry> bacon tshirt: http://shirt.woot.com/offers/the-piglets-of-the-caribbacon
[13:16] <mungojerry> if i was vegetarian i'd still eat bacon :D
[13:16] <christel> surely it counts as one of your five-a-day? :)
[13:16] <mungojerry> five animals a day?
[13:17] <christel> haha
[13:17] <oly> ali1234, thats intresting will see if i can find some example on that :)
[13:17] <mungojerry> they don't specify 5 what do they?
[13:17] <oly> used dbus a little in python
[13:26] <davmor2> mungojerry, christel: you 5 pork items a day, have pigs in blankets you hit 2 straight away :)
[13:26] <mungojerry> mmm pigs in blankets, inserted inside a chicken
[13:26] <mungojerry> which is inside a turkey
[13:28] <directhex> turducken?
[13:29] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ
[13:29] <KungFuPanda> anyone successfully run youtrack on ubuntu ?
[13:30] <mungojerry> lol : ie, the most feared icon : http://imgur.com/a/nuKR2
[13:43] <mgdm> bigcalm: other than the phpdoc manual, I don't know
[13:44] <bigcalm> mgdm: fair enough, ta
[13:44] <mgdm> bigcalm: also, wrt hotel, fuck :(
[13:44] <mgdm> I'm not booked yet
[13:44] <mgdm> also, whoops, didn't clock what channel I'm in
[13:45] <bigcalm> :)
[13:45] <bigcalm> At least you noticed afterwards
[13:46] <bigcalm> mgdm: hurry, you might not get a room at all in the more expensive hotel
[13:46]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski and christel and dives for the bunker
[13:49] <popey> KungFuPanda, never heard of it
[13:49] <KungFuPanda> :P
[13:49] <The_Fred> hello
[13:49] <s-fox> hello The_Fred
[13:50] <The_Fred> i'm not sure if im worrying too much,but im seeing a 7degree temp difference on my cpu - is that normal?
[13:50] <The_Fred> its a dual core celerol g530
[13:50] <The_Fred> *celeron
[13:51] <The_Fred> core0 = 34 core1 = 41
[14:03] <davmor2> popey: Well it's a disney cartoon where you have a panda that does kungfu :)
[14:05] <directhex> http://www.zurmat.com/2012/08/29/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/
[14:06] <directhex> wrong.
[14:06] <directhex> kung fu panda is dreamworks
[14:08] <directhex> hmph. never mind. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake?newsfeed=true
[14:27] <Mez> welp, mass invites sent out to past attendees for the Global Jam... now hopefully we'll get some signups
[14:31] <davmor2> directhex: I got pixar and dreamworks mixed up, paramount own dreamworks and disney own pixar
[14:33] <arsen> just found a filserver running on a root of 8*32GB SSD's in raid6 xD
[14:43] <directhex> yikes
[14:44] <directhex> i mean, raid5/6 make sense on small drives, but 32G SSDs are gonna have extremely short lifetimes
[14:44] <directhex> hell, a "good" intel 520 only has 60T of life
[14:50] <directhex> lolz. http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/27/3271637/bitcoin-savings-trust-pyramid-scheme-shuts-down
[14:52] <popey> catching up with olde news there directhex :)
[14:53] <directhex> stabbystabstab
[15:01] <Laney> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 667: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[15:01] <Laney> no spotify for laney :(
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> poor laney
[15:56] <mattt> WEWT WEWT WEWT
[15:58]  * davmor2 mocks that Software-updater text that reads, Software has been updated since the release of 12.10  it's not released yet :D
[16:07]  * mattt mocks davmor2
[16:08] <KungFuPanda> Hi guys, is this the right way to do it ? I write a init.d script to run a custom service under that user. example , I create a Teamcity user, and write a teamcity script under init.d, inside that script, teamcity runed by teamcity user. so now every time when I start service teamcity start, it will ask me to input the teamcity user password.
[16:09] <davmor2> mattt: why?
[16:09] <KungFuPanda> so now, every user want to start teamcity service, have to input teamcity user password ?
[16:42] <mattt> davmor2: no reason
[16:42]  * mattt unmocks davmor2
[17:31] <cliftonts> Evening all
[17:31] <popey> pip pip
[17:31] <cliftonts> Gnomebuntu? I've heard it all now!
[17:32] <davmor2> popey: when you say that it makes me think it pims o'clock
[17:34] <cliftonts> Does anyone here know anything about the Pentium P6200 processor?
[17:34] <davmor2> cliftonts: I know it's a processor, it's a pentium and it's made by intel does that help?
[17:35] <popey> nothing that google doesn't know
[17:35] <cliftonts> I'm doubting the first statement there davmor2
[17:35] <cliftonts> If it is a processor based by how it performs I think it pre-dates the original pentium!
[17:37] <popey> my first Pentium was a P200
[17:37] <popey> iirc
[17:37] <cliftonts> I was under the illusion my new laptop was going to have an i3 processor, instead I got this!
[17:37] <popey> unlucky
[17:38] <cliftonts> Aah, are you suggesting that P6200 is a misprint popey?
[17:38] <popey> heh
[17:38] <cliftonts> Brand new laptop and if I try to play video in a quarter of the screen, with thunderbird and firefox open everything keeps stalling
[17:39] <cliftonts> for a machine with 4GB, 500GB I find that dissapointing
[17:39] <davmor2> cliftonts: did it actually say i3 processor if so send it back
[17:41] <cliftonts> no, it said pentium processor, which I thought was fantastically vague
[17:41] <cliftonts> I did some research and decided that i3 was the likely model
[17:43] <cliftonts> It is odd though that my new laptop can't do what my old one with a 60gb hard drive was fine with
[17:43] <davmor2> cliftonts: sadtrombone.com
[17:44] <cliftonts> although this one can unplug from the wall without switching off and the power socket is properly attached to the motherboard so all in all it's an improvement!
[17:46] <cliftonts> I remember being able to tell one processor was better than another purely by the name, i.e. 386 vs 486
[17:46] <cliftonts> the good old days!
[17:48] <cliftonts> you lot are quiet tonight
[17:53] <Azelphur> is it just me or is there no button on ebay to change your phone number
[17:53] <Azelphur> why is it that when you ask on IRC you find it, after searching for 30 minutes
[17:54] <cliftonts> Ebay was modelled around a labyrinth
[17:54] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:54] <Azelphur> phone number is apparently under "primary postage address" and it shows address next to the button but not the phone number, just to make it easy to find
[17:55] <cliftonts> I find that I can locate the section to change it but there's always one more buried elsewhere I didn't change
[17:55] <Azelphur> fun
[17:55] <cliftonts> you love it
[17:55] <cliftonts> that's why I use ebid instead
[17:56] <Azelphur> cliftonts: yep, it stores my phone number in two places xD
[17:56] <cliftonts> Thought so
[17:56] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I was actually tempted to use ebid, PPPay escrow sounds pretty cool although I couldn't find many people online using it
[17:57] <cliftonts> Azelphur: It's growing all the time, at the moment you can sign up for £49.99 lifetime membership and get free listings forever
[17:57] <Azelphur> why does the UI blank out my phone number with partial X's
[17:57] <cliftonts> I figured sign up now before they take the offer awau
[17:57] <cliftonts> away
[17:57] <Azelphur> someone might be standing behind me...and they might....PHONE ME (dramatic music riff)
[17:58] <cliftonts> I list everything on ebid and select items on ebay, I've got nothing to lose
[17:58] <Azelphur> cliftonts: ah that's pretty cool
[17:58] <Azelphur> I hear PPPay charges you for every little thing
[17:58] <cliftonts> Azelphur: Exactly, the final sale fee is 2% if you have a gallery photo and nothing if you don't!
[17:58] <cliftonts> I don't know, I haven't used PPPay yet
[17:59] <Azelphur> fun
[17:59] <cliftonts> But ebay are screwing more and more out of us. I don't remember using it being so painful 10 years ago
[17:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:00] <cliftonts> So ebid has to work, the more greeder ebay gets the bigger ebid grows
[18:00] <cliftonts> Amazon are just as bad
[18:01] <Azelphur> fun
[18:01] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I'm having fun with ebay atm, it seems the world is conspiring against me having a Galaxy S3
[18:01] <cliftonts> how do you mean?
[18:02] <Azelphur> I bought one that was described as brand new in box but when I got it it was all messed up, so I sent it back
[18:02] <Azelphur> now I've ordered another one and the guy isn't shipping it
[18:02] <Azelphur> :(
[18:05] <gareth_> sorry got cut off
[18:05] <gareth_> What was that about an s3 Azelphur?
[18:05] <Azelphur> gareth_: are you cliftonts?
[18:06] <gareth_> yes, stupid irc!
[18:06] <Azelphur> gareth_: hehe, http://pastebin.com/U1WuQ96L
[18:07] <cliftonts> What do you mean messed up? Broken? Or just opened and tampered with?
[18:09] <Azelphur> cliftonts: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW?m xD
[18:09] <cliftonts> Ok, looks like he may have had a game of football before shipping it!
[18:10] <Azelphur> cliftonts: indeed
[18:10] <cliftonts> If I were you I'd push for money back. If he's not shipping another one out I'd just write him off as un-trustworthy and work on the theory a replacement from him is probably never going to be right.
[18:11] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I already got my money back off him, he was an obvious scammer but he lost in every sense of the word in that little war :)
[18:11]  * Azelphur lawyered him
[18:12] <cliftonts> Good. I hate it when people like that weasel their way into profit
[18:12] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:12] <Azelphur> his feedback is really bad now too since he did it to a couple of people, I doubt anyone sane will buy off him any more
[18:12] <cliftonts> I'd better get going anyway. I just realised I've only got 66mb data to last the week. I can't top up until the 7th!
[18:12] <Azelphur> ouch :p
[18:13] <cliftonts> Good, the feedback system rarely works so that makes a change
[18:13] <cliftonts> Yeah, the wonders of pay as you go 3g!
[18:14] <cliftonts> Nice chatting anyway. See you next time
[18:14] <brobostigon> the joys of three, unlimited no fup, PAYG data :)
[18:15] <cliftonts> brobostigon - three's crappy service is what drove me to never go contract ever again. Their name is worse than dirt round here!
[18:15] <Seeker`> hallo
[18:15] <Azelphur> Seeker`: hallo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVAdM43kQs
[18:15] <cliftonts> anyway, bye for now
[18:15] <brobostigon> cliftonts: i just use that much data, that anything else, that wasnt truly unlimited, would be pointless.
[18:16] <cliftonts> brobostigon, same here and I'm having serious culture shock issues now I don't have a proper connection
[18:16] <brobostigon> cliftonts: understandable.
[18:16] <cliftonts> so you're on unlimited pay as you go?
[18:17] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:17] <cliftonts> I can't see that on their site anywhere. How much?
[18:17] <brobostigon> £15
[18:18] <brobostigon> all you can eat data.
[18:18] <cliftonts> I can see that on a contract, but not payg
[18:18] <brobostigon> it is there,
[18:19]  * Seeker` is off to belgium tomorrow!
[18:19] <brobostigon> cliftonts: let me find it for you. minute.
[18:19] <cliftonts> That would be a great help. At the moment I have to pay 2p per megabyte when I run out of data!
[18:22] <brobostigon> cliftonts: http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Get_better_value_with_an_Add_on pay as you go phone, then all you can eat 15.
[18:23] <cliftonts> But that's for phone and not mobile broadband
[18:23] <cliftonts> Wouldn't they complain if I used that direct with the pc?
[18:23] <brobostigon> no idea, i have done it a few times, and they havent complained.
[18:24] <cliftonts> I did it once with my phone's sim for a month and they cut my broadband off for over 2 months!
[18:24] <brobostigon> :(
[18:24] <Azelphur> I get unlimited and some minutes on my mobile for £10/mo
[18:24] <Azelphur> your not allowed to tether, but I tether anyway
[18:25] <cliftonts> Pay as you go broadband plans are simply not realistic. I only check emails and maintian my website and I run out every month
[18:25] <Azelphur> obligatory http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png
[18:25] <Azelphur> I think a lot of ISPs are not in touch with reality when it comes to data
[18:26] <cliftonts> I've now reached the point where I have 2 sims so I can top the 2nd up with a bundle when the 1st runs out
[18:26] <Azelphur> I wrote a little informative rant about data on the giffgaff forums in reply to someone elses post, http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Contribute-Innovation-Promotion/Gigabags-not-so-great/m-p/5650416/highlight/true#M136065
[18:27] <cliftonts> Aah, so you're a convert then?
[18:27] <Azelphur> I'm a giffgaffer, yep
[18:27] <cliftonts> How do you tether? Mine cuts the connection completely whenever I try
[18:27] <Azelphur> I just use android and tethering, but I havn't tried it recently
[18:27] <Azelphur> lemme check it again
[18:28] <cliftonts> Mine used to work but when I try now even the phone doesn't get it
[18:28] <Azelphur> if they are detecting it I know how and will just bypass it anyway
[18:28] <cliftonts> I just bypass it by putting the sim card in my dongle!
[18:28] <Azelphur> haha
[18:29] <cliftonts> But it's not fair that contracts get 20gb+ allowances and I'm stuck with a pathetic 3gb.
[18:30] <cliftonts> They are talking about how 4g will revolutionise mobile data but the simple fact is it's going to do it in very short bursts unless they give us more allowance!
[18:30] <Azelphur> cliftonts: yea it still works for me I'm browsing on my tablet tethered to my phone
[18:31] <Azelphur> unless they detect browser user agent, lemme try my laptop.
[18:31] <cliftonts> It'd possible there's just something wrong with my phone, who knows
[18:32] <Azelphur> nope works on all the things, sounds like something wrong with your phone
[18:32] <cliftonts> Just my luck
[18:32] <Azelphur> what phone?
[18:32] <cliftonts> galaxy mini
[18:32] <Azelphur> using a custom rom?
[18:33] <cliftonts> can you use internet on the phone while it's tethered?
[18:33] <Azelphur> cliftonts: yep
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> come to .nl, we have net neutrality
[18:33] <Azelphur> I just used laptop + tablet + phone all tethered to phone lol
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> ISPs can't limit your internet connection like that :)
[18:33] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I want to go to there.
[18:33] <cliftonts> MartinVdS, I can't afford the bus fare to the airport!
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> we do get tiny allowances on 3G though :(
[18:34] <Azelphur> :(
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: don't use so much data :)
[18:34] <cliftonts> MartinVdS, when you use it to earn a living is that a realistic option?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> so it's a chicken/egg thing :)
[18:35] <Azelphur> I once had my entire house tethered to my giffgaff phone when our internet was down (4 people)
[18:35] <Azelphur> I think they are getting more aggressive against people tethering now, I've heard a couple of people getting suspended now
[18:35] <cliftonts> nope, I turned on the wireless hotspot on and now I can't view web pages on the phone
[18:35] <cliftonts> as I said, I was suspended for 2 months
[18:36] <cliftonts> I think that's a load of crap! I've paid for it, so who cares how I use it. If they don't want me using unlimited data, then don't offer it!
[18:36] <Azelphur> cliftonts++, that's why I bypass all the limits
[18:37] <Azelphur> I hate ISPs that are only interested in selling "unlimited" bandwidth to people who won't use it
[18:37] <cliftonts> Trouble is when the end result is that they suspend you then you don't win
[18:37] <Azelphur> I'd just go elsewhere
[18:37] <cliftonts> I hate ISPs that offer unlimited services, and by that I mean limited
[18:38] <cliftonts> Go elsewhere and pay more for the same thing?
[18:38] <Azelphur> cliftonts: you know sky is proper unlimited broadband right?
[18:38] <Azelphur> no FUP, I've done 1TB in a month on it
[18:38] <Azelphur> but that's home not mobile
[18:38] <cliftonts> fup?
[18:38] <Azelphur> fair usage policy
[18:38] <cliftonts> exactly. I'm only in this house temporary
[18:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:39] <cliftonts> If I get a landline installed it'll cost money I don't have and they'll screw me when I move
[18:39] <Azelphur> :(
[18:40] <cliftonts> Did you guys know by the way that I'm the richest man in the world?
[18:40] <Azelphur> nice
[18:40] <cliftonts> Judging by my emails so far this year EVERY SINGLE nigerian is giving me a million dollars
[18:41] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I had a UK company offering me millions of dollars a couple days ago
[18:41] <Azelphur> made it through my spam filter :o
[18:44] <cliftonts> I don't have one set up on my work emails. I don't like the idea of missing anything genuine]
[18:44] <cliftonts> I had one today trying to convince me to adopt a puppy. That's a new angle!
[18:49] <Azelphur> haha
[18:49] <Azelphur> cliftonts: I use gmail so usually there arn't any false positives
[18:49] <cliftonts> I use gmail for my personal mail, it has been known to make mistakes
[18:50]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:50] <Azelphur> I get so much spam I couldn't live without a spam filter
[18:50] <cliftonts> I think I've been quite lucky with the work addresses so far
[18:51] <Azelphur> lol wtf I just looked in my spam box I have mail from "Linux Insurance Service"
[18:51] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/2PEXhSGE haha
[18:52] <cliftonts> I can't even follow what they are saying it's so bad
[18:52] <Azelphur> xD
[18:53] <cliftonts> Why would an insurance company be sending you a package anyway?
[18:53] <Azelphur> who knows XD
[18:53] <cliftonts> How can these people not realise that it has to make sense to fool you?
[18:55] <cliftonts> I miss having proper broadband I'm fed up with having to go down the pub every time I want to download something!
[18:59] <Azelphur> cliftonts: it's actually designed to be terrible afaik to filter down to only the most gullible people
[19:00] <cliftonts> And the worst thing is I know one of those people
[19:00] <cliftonts> He sent his iphone to someone in nigeria
[19:01] <Azelphur> fail
[19:04] <cliftonts> He sold it on ebay and they faked an escrow message from paypal telling him the money was safe with them so he could send it.
[19:05] <cliftonts> I could forgive him that, it was actually very convincing. But the fact they sent another paypal email telling him they had overcharged the customer and he needed to send £200 by western union, and HE WAS GOING TO DO IT, idiot!
[19:22] <cliftonts> Right, I'm off then!
[19:40] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:43]  * davmor2 prods bigcalm hello sciver
[19:43] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[19:43] <bigcalm> Sciving from IRC?
[19:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah
[19:44] <bigcalm> Amazing how much can get done without the distraction ;)
[19:44]  * bigcalm fires up his unit tests and hopes for the best
[19:45]  * davmor2 waits for test one to fail before doing his evil laugh
[19:46] <bigcalm> :P
[19:46] <bigcalm> Test 15 failed
[19:46] <bigcalm> Yay
[19:47] <davmor2> Muhahahahahaahahahahahahaha
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> All tests successful
[19:47] <bigcalm> It's the one with the hairiest logic
[19:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's a bit unfair, test one passed
[19:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you've had anything to do with it it's all hairy logic, you need bald logic for it to work ;)
[19:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: that was my mock evil laugh not my real one :P
[19:48] <bigcalm> Ha
[19:48]  * bigcalm shakes his head
[19:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: just got with my testing theory,  If at first a test passed use a big hammer till it breaks
[19:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed. I never trust a test that passes 1st time
[19:50] <bigcalm> Though, some of my unit tests are longer than the methods themselves
[19:50] <bigcalm> Which is silly. I can see why unit/functional testing is so expensive and why so much of the 'net is broken
[20:00] <davmor2> night all
[20:09] <bigcalm> And just like that, I make all of my tests work :D
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> bigcalm: I'm tempted to ask if you spelt 'tests' correctly... if you did, well done, if you didn't - you naughty boy, you!
[20:13] <bigcalm> Haha
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:18] <bigcalm> Great, I have a single failing test for no reason
[20:18] <bigcalm> Blah
[20:18] <bigcalm> Scratch that, 2 fails now
[20:19] <bigcalm> Aha, they are related tests that make calls to an external service
[20:20] <bigcalm> The success tests are failing while the exception tests are working just fine
[20:20] <bigcalm> I'm okay with this
[21:41] <zleap> hi
[21:43] <Darael> Greetings, zleap.
[21:43] <zleap> hi
[21:43] <zleap> just found a weird bug in lubuntu
[21:44] <zleap> according to df -h i have an 8 gb flash disk,  if I right click on /media/kingston It comes with 10.7 TB (10,692,911,955,968 bytes
[21:44] <zleap> for the same device
[21:44] <zleap> i don't have 10.7 tb anywhere on my system
[21:45] <Darael> A ridiculous-compression-level squashfs, or something?
[21:45] <Darael> That or a bug.
[21:46] <mgdm> I would guess something is corrupt, first :)
[21:46] <zleap> well df -h seems to show it properly
[21:47] <popey> what app are you right clicking in?
[21:47] <zleap> the lubunt file manager
[21:47] <zleap> Lightweight file manager
[21:48] <zleap> navigating to /media/kingston and then right clicking on the kingston folder and selecting properties
[21:48]  * zleap wonders how much a 10tb flash drive would cost
[21:49] <Darael> Don't know if we can even /make/ things with the data-density.
[21:49] <zleap> yeah
[21:49] <zleap> would be nice eh
[21:49] <Darael> I wander if we could calculate by extrapolating Moore's Law...
[21:49] <Darael> s/wander/wonder/
[21:50] <Darael> I can type, I swear.
[21:50] <zleap> would we want to,  as some user is bound to lose the one device with all data for everyone
[21:51] <Darael> Nah - requirements and available resources go up roughly in tandem.
[21:51] <zleap> ok
[21:51]  * zleap will investigate further 
[21:55] <zleap> chat later
[23:00] <The_Fred> hello