pleia2 | knome: once we finish edits, I think I'll close down account creation, you and everyone who has worked on it will still be able to log in, but not new people | 00:09 |
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pleia2 | getting like 6 spam accounts created per hour, it's meh and moin doesn't have good controls for this | 00:09 |
pleia2 | (their response is "It's a wiki!") | 00:09 |
knome | yeah | 00:09 |
knome | can you moderate account creation? | 00:10 |
pleia2 | not without code changes | 00:10 |
pleia2 | http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/DisableUserCreation outlines how to do it | 00:10 |
knome | fss | 00:10 |
knome | i mean moderation as in somebody needs to click a button | 00:11 |
knome | :P | 00:11 |
pleia2 | I was hoping for that, alas... | 00:11 |
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knome | ooh! our doc wiki is down! | 09:57 |
knome | mr_pouit, what's your schedule today? | 10:20 |
mr_pouit | knome: not available, it's a good schedule :P | 10:32 |
mr_pouit | I can upload any last minute change before UIF | 10:32 |
knome | mr_pouit, what about the doc looks stuff? | 10:34 |
knome | mr_pouit, do you think it's possible to review that quickly and push? | 10:34 |
knome | mr_pouit, it's not perfect, but at least it's much better than what we've had before | 10:35 |
knome | mr_pouit, if you know at what time you would get to that, i can try to make it better before | 10:36 |
mr_pouit | I can't upload before 19 my local time anyway | 10:37 |
mr_pouit | 17 UTC I guess | 10:37 |
knome | ok | 10:37 |
knome | i'll try to get fixes in by that then | 10:37 |
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knome | mr_pouit, bug #1043957 | 17:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1043957 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Update documentation looks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043957 | 17:18 |
knome | bbl, about 19UTC | 17:23 |
mr_pouit | okay | 17:24 |
bluesabre | knome, I tried. It's at least a little better organized. http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Troubleshooting | 17:33 |
mr_pouit | ochosi: abiword patch is in | 17:50 |
bluesabre | :'-) <-- Tears of happiness | 17:51 |
bluesabre | uh oh, lightdm is in this apt-get update | 17:54 |
bluesabre | (Don't break anything) :) | 17:54 |
knome | micahg, what's the status with the indicators? | 19:03 |
micahg | knome: removed for beta 1 | 19:13 |
knome | micahg, when are you expecting to get to reupload the gtk2 versions? | 19:14 |
knome | is beta 2 realistic? | 19:14 |
micahg | knome: mr_pouit is handling that, you're CCd on the E-Mail thread, so you should know as much as me at this point :) | 19:14 |
micahg | yeah, should be | 19:14 |
knome | ok, good enough for me. thanks! :) | 19:15 |
bluesabre | :( | 19:15 |
bluesabre | I miss the indicators already | 19:15 |
knome | bluesabre, don't be sad... :) | 19:15 |
knome | bluesabre, btw, the messaging indicator is probably not going to make it in Q | 19:15 |
bluesabre | knome: And you say don't be sad? | 19:16 |
knome | bluesabre, unless you wish to work on it... | 19:16 |
bluesabre | D: | 19:16 |
bluesabre | That's tempting | 19:16 |
knome | well, i can't help it, so i'll try not to be sad. that's just how it is | 19:16 |
bluesabre | Because I really like the messaging menu | 19:16 |
knome | :) | 19:16 |
knome | ask micahg and mr_pouit for details! | 19:16 |
bluesabre | So, what's the deadline for that? | 19:16 |
knome | or probably just mr_pouit :D | 19:17 |
knome | bluesabre, deadline? feature freeze... | 19:17 |
knome | bluesabre, but it'd be good to get them to beta 2 with FFe's | 19:17 |
bluesabre | ok | 19:17 |
bluesabre | mr_pouit: Do we have indicator-messages in a branch somewhere? | 19:17 |
knome | anybody in the team who has got something new uploaded after alpha 3, please update http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1413&action=edit | 19:25 |
knome | xubuntu-team members should be able to login with ubuntu sso at http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/ | 19:26 |
knome | if you have problems, be in touch with me | 19:26 |
* knome will now release the edit lock | 19:26 | |
bluesabre | holy crap, you can integrate wordpress with ubuntu sso! | 19:28 |
knome | yes, that's a canonical-provided feature | 19:28 |
knome | i heard you can integrate apache with ubuntu sso... | 19:29 |
bluesabre | I don't suppose app updates should be included? (catfish/parole) | 19:31 |
knome | well, if they are completely different than in a3, then include them | 19:32 |
bluesabre | Cool | 19:32 |
knome | we can always drop them from the final notes, if we have too much of them, but i don't think we will :) | 19:32 |
knome | bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png (updated a min ago, so take a look if you saw that url before) | 19:36 |
bluesabre | Woohoo, we've made it to the future! | 19:37 |
knome | yeah | 19:37 |
bluesabre | Looks really good | 19:38 |
knome | now we only need to update the content... | 19:38 |
knome | thanks :) | 19:38 |
* knome worked about 2h with it today | 19:38 | |
bluesabre | Impressive | 19:38 |
bluesabre | Maybe we should call you knome-shell? | 19:38 |
knome | hah :P | 19:38 |
* holstein would totally run knome-shell! | 19:39 | |
knome | ha | 19:40 |
bluesabre | How much work is it to take the wiki-formatted docs and convert back to our offline docs? | 19:40 |
knome | i don't know docbook, but i believe it takes a few days | 19:40 |
knome | should look at the syntax quickly someday | 19:41 |
knome | we have about three weeks to update the doc strings, so now that the doc look is updated, we have again some breathing space with it | 19:41 |
bluesabre | Cool | 19:41 |
knome | after that, there's two weeks time to translate the docs | 19:42 |
bluesabre | I tried to work on the Network Troubleshooting section, but only managed to clean it up a little bit and reorganize | 19:42 |
knome | it's a good start | 19:42 |
knome | ifconfig? isn't nm able to give connection info too | 19:43 |
knome | right-click -> connection info | 19:43 |
bluesabre | Ah | 19:46 |
bluesabre | So it seems | 19:46 |
bluesabre | That's a lot more user-friendly! | 19:46 |
* bluesabre will return to editing | 19:47 | |
ochosi | bluesabre: it seems we'd also have to update our icon-theme for the messaging-menu... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-add-new-message-indicator-icons | 20:36 |
bluesabre | I saw that | 20:37 |
ochosi | btw, the icons look horrible imo | 20:37 |
bluesabre | I agree | 20:37 |
bluesabre | We can do better | 20:37 |
bluesabre | :D | 20:37 |
ochosi | exactly :) | 20:37 |
ochosi | at least if someone gets it to work | 20:38 |
bluesabre | If we have a branch somewhere, I can have a look at it | 20:38 |
ochosi | i don't think we do yet | 20:38 |
ochosi | i'm wondering how mr_pouit works on code, maybe he just pulls it locally and then pushes it when he's done with it | 20:39 |
ochosi | feel free to create at least a private branch in lp | 20:39 |
bluesabre | I'm not even sure where to start. Is it indicator-messages-gtk2 I'm assuming? | 20:40 |
mr_pouit | re (quickly) | 20:40 |
ochosi | i guess you'd have to look at the changes in the gtk3-version first | 20:41 |
ochosi | oh, there is the man! | 20:41 |
mr_pouit | bluesabre: you need to take lp:indicator-messages from bzr, the latest branch | 20:41 |
mr_pouit | they changed the protocol, it's now libmessaging-menu, which uses some gtk3-only functions | 20:41 |
bluesabre | So do we need to fork that too or something? | 20:42 |
mr_pouit | you can try to port it to gtk2 ;> | 20:42 |
bluesabre | I might play with that a bit then | 20:43 |
ochosi | mr_pouit: so both would have to be ported to gtk2, indicator-messages and the lib? | 20:44 |
mr_pouit | knome: I'll try to take care of indicator-application and indicator-sound this week-end | 20:44 |
mr_pouit | ochosi: it's in the same source | 20:44 |
ochosi | oh ok | 20:44 |
mr_pouit | lubuntu only uses indicator-application by default, so basically they don't care with the rest | 20:44 |
ochosi | hm, i see | 20:45 |
ochosi | so no support from gilir then... | 20:45 |
mr_pouit | ochosi: I usually push branches as soon as possible, unless I did some horrible and unclean and dirty and horrible again hacks ;> | 20:46 |
ochosi | hehe, ok :) | 20:46 |
ochosi | darn, seems i should fix another bug in albatross-gtk2 :/ | 20:47 |
bluesabre | I'm starting to consider buying that ultra-widescreen laptop | 20:47 |
ochosi | bluesabre: which one? | 20:47 |
mr_pouit | (I put my hacks at https://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/indicators-gtk2/ until i've cleaned that in a branch :P) | 20:47 |
bluesabre | I forgot who makes it | 20:47 |
bluesabre | But it has a 21:10 ratio I believe | 20:47 |
ochosi | mr_pouit: uu, untrusted connection! should i trust it?? (: | 20:47 |
mr_pouit | remove the 's' :P | 20:48 |
pnarciso | hello all | 20:48 |
ochosi | oh right, 's' as in untruSted | 20:48 |
ochosi | ciao pnarciso | 20:48 |
pnarciso | italiano :) | 20:49 |
ochosi | you seem to be quite quick from my last bugreport comment in lp to here :) | 20:49 |
pnarciso | well, I'm digging testing xubuntu | 20:49 |
ochosi | :) | 20:50 |
pnarciso | great work | 20:50 |
ochosi | nice | 20:50 |
ochosi | thanks, user-interface freeze kept us busy the last few days | 20:50 |
ochosi | but since that deadline has passed we can go back to ignoring bugs and bugreports ;) | 20:50 |
pnarciso | can you upload that background for the panel | 20:51 |
pnarciso | I would like to test it | 20:51 |
ochosi | you mean the one from the screenshot? | 20:51 |
pnarciso | Yes, and more if you have | 20:51 |
ochosi | i contacted the author a few times, but he never responded and it was entirely unclear under what license he had published it | 20:51 |
ochosi | (somewhere on deviantart i think) | 20:51 |
ochosi | but someone suggested a new one | 20:51 |
ochosi | i can put it up somewhere for you to test | 20:52 |
pnarciso | ok | 20:52 |
ochosi | for private use i can also send you the other one | 20:52 |
pnarciso | offcourse | 20:52 |
ochosi | but we won't be able to use that in xubuntu i guess | 20:52 |
pnarciso | It was a good idea to disable compositor by deafult, it causes more issues than advantages | 20:53 |
ochosi | pnarciso: http://imagebin.org/226489 | 20:53 |
ochosi | mr_pouit: did we really disable the compositor by default? | 20:53 |
bluesabre | personal branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-gtk2 | 20:53 |
bluesabre | I'll hack on it tonight (possibly) and tomorrow | 20:53 |
ochosi | sounds great! | 20:54 |
mr_pouit | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-default-settings/quantal/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml#L9 | 20:54 |
mr_pouit | ochosi: nope, it's still enabled | 20:54 |
ochosi | that's what i thought | 20:54 |
mr_pouit | (unless something changed in xfwm4) | 20:54 |
ochosi | pnarciso: ^ | 20:55 |
Sysi | for some reason indicator-messages fix reminds me about guy who thought about making irc bot with Qt | 20:55 |
mr_pouit | but the bottom dock-like panel would look ugly with compositing anyway | 20:55 |
pnarciso | I'm talking about the decision in one of your meetings | 20:55 |
pnarciso | at least for the live cd | 20:55 |
ochosi | pnarciso: afair there was only a discussion, then astraljava should've investigated switching off the compositor just for the live-session | 20:55 |
ochosi | but since that never went down (i guess because RL got in the way) it's still enabled everywhere | 20:56 |
ochosi | mr_pouit: not if it had a background-image or something | 20:56 |
mr_pouit | yeah | 20:56 |
ochosi | but yeah, as long as xfwm4's borders are broken, i'm happy we have some shadow behind windows... | 20:56 |
mr_pouit | hehe | 20:57 |
mr_pouit | bbl, maybe | 20:57 |
ochosi | ok, ttyl | 20:57 |
pnarciso | I've just put that background image and it looks gooood | 20:58 |
ochosi | screenshot? | 20:58 |
pnarciso | http://imagebin.org/226492 | 21:01 |
ochosi | yeah, doesn't look bad | 21:02 |
ochosi | there's a bug though with it | 21:02 |
ochosi | not sure why | 21:02 |
ochosi | look at the trash-icon | 21:02 |
ochosi | the lines break before and after | 21:02 |
bluesabre | mr_pouit: Just to make sure I'm in the right direction, does (gtk_widget_insert_action_group) ring a bell? | 21:02 |
ochosi | (i guess because it's not a launcher but a plugin) | 21:02 |
ochosi | bluesabre: he left at 22:57 | 21:03 |
ochosi | (oops, that's in my TZ) | 21:03 |
bluesabre | I see that now | 21:03 |
ochosi | :) | 21:03 |
bluesabre | But I think that's right | 21:03 |
ochosi | maybe it's worth talking to indicator-devs | 21:03 |
ochosi | not sure they'll be helpful | 21:03 |
bluesabre | I'm curious to see how far I get | 21:03 |
bluesabre | :D | 21:03 |
ochosi | but we could try to make them feel bad :p | 21:03 |
ochosi | hehe, ok | 21:04 |
pnarciso | another fix that landed today was for abiword, rullers aren't black anymore | 21:07 |
ochosi | yes i read | 21:08 |
ochosi | i just fired up my vbox just to test that | 21:08 |
ochosi | but i guess i have to change repos to the main server | 21:09 |
ochosi | fix hasnt landed on my mirror yet | 21:09 |
pnarciso | the problem right now is the flashing when scrolling the pages with mouse wheel or scroll bars | 21:11 |
ochosi | pnarciso: btw, do you have a hardware install or are you using virtualisation to test quantal? | 21:11 |
ochosi | meh, i can confirm the flickering with vbox :( | 21:12 |
pnarciso | I have both | 21:12 |
ochosi | also: i'm not sure i like the grey background of the rulers | 21:12 |
ochosi | i'd have preferred if they had used the base-color, not the bg-color | 21:12 |
pnarciso | well, that's a thing that must be changed in the theme I guess | 21:13 |
ochosi | not sure it can be changed | 21:13 |
ochosi | abiword uses a very very custom widget for the rulers | 21:14 |
ochosi | wow, this time ubuntu's community wallpapers are better than ever before | 21:15 |
bluesabre | Yeah, WAYYYYY better than 12.04's wps | 21:18 |
bluesabre | btw, the indicator-devs are jerks... using functions that are introduced in gtk 3.6 | 21:18 |
bluesabre | It will make this a funnnnnnn project | 21:19 |
ochosi | yeah, well in short they don't care about us | 21:19 |
bluesabre | I think I'm just going to try to drop the new "essential" stuff into the code for gtk2 | 21:20 |
bluesabre | and wrestle with it | 21:20 |
ochosi | hmm | 21:22 |
ochosi | what do the new functions do? | 21:23 |
bluesabre | They use things that weren't available in gtk2 | 21:24 |
bluesabre | Like using a menu model | 21:24 |
GridCube | thats like using new stuff to do new stuff, how they dare! | 21:25 |
bluesabre | not exactly | 21:25 |
bluesabre | the menu model existed in gtk2 | 21:25 |
bluesabre | but it appears like you couldn't actually use it for a menu | 21:25 |
bluesabre | or at least, I haven't figured it out yet | 21:25 |
pnarciso | can we expect new changes regarding how menu is displayed? Is this what you are working on? | 21:28 |
ochosi | pnarciso: what do you mean with "how menu is displayed"? what menu? | 21:28 |
knome | bluesabre, thanks for picking it up :) | 21:28 |
ochosi | ahoi mighty XPL | 21:28 |
bluesabre | knome, no promises | 21:28 |
knome | hey ochosi | 21:28 |
bluesabre | I'm going to try | 21:29 |
bluesabre | really hard | 21:29 |
knome | bluesabre, at least you're trying... and seriously man, you have three weeks | 21:29 |
bluesabre | but can't guarantee anything | 21:29 |
knome | ;) | 21:29 |
bluesabre | lol | 21:29 |
pnarciso | the subject that bluesabre is talking | 21:29 |
ochosi | pnarciso: we lost the indicators from the panel in 12.10 for now | 21:29 |
ochosi | pnarciso: bluesabre and mr_pouit are working to get them back | 21:29 |
bluesabre | My goal is to get them back in at least their previous form | 21:29 |
ochosi | yeah, that would be enough imo | 21:30 |
ochosi | for 13.04 we need an entirely new plan | 21:30 |
ochosi | (prolly involving a gtk3 panel) | 21:30 |
bluesabre | Does the panel depend on a lot of xf-stuff, or is it largely gtk2 only? | 21:30 |
ochosi | not sure | 21:31 |
ochosi | i think the main problem are all the plugins and goodies... | 21:31 |
pnarciso | Ok, I get it, that why I can't see the mail indicator or gmusic browser | 21:32 |
ochosi | exactly | 21:32 |
pnarciso | is this because xfce still haven't migrated to gtk3? | 21:33 |
ochosi | yes | 21:34 |
ochosi | basically | 21:34 |
pnarciso | have you tried to contact xfce devs for a workaround | 21:34 |
ochosi | indicators have nothing to do with xfce, they're done by ubuntu | 21:35 |
bluesabre | heading out, bbl | 21:35 |
ochosi | we can only hope that the panel will get ported in time for 13.04 | 21:35 |
bluesabre | seeya guys | 21:35 |
knome | whatsoever, yes, we are in constant communication with the xfce devs | 21:35 |
ochosi | bluesabre: k, seeya later | 21:35 |
knome | see you bluesabre | 21:35 |
pnarciso | with xfce now the default DE in debian, let's hope more ppl join xfce team, it's a great DE but it's lagging behind | 21:38 |
ochosi | well, it has been a very small team pretty much always | 21:38 |
knome | ubuntu looks like keeping alternate at least for beta 1, so probably we should too. | 21:39 |
pnarciso | in the past week alternate install was the only way to install daily build | 21:42 |
knome | i installed with desktop | 21:42 |
pnarciso | don't know if those problem were fixed by now | 21:42 |
knome | it wasn't today, maybe 2 days ago | 21:43 |
pnarciso | xorg 1.13 really messed up | 21:44 |
knome | only by one pixel, so not a lot.. | 21:44 |
knome | ;) | 21:44 |
knome | re: alternate, looks like ubuntu is dropping it anyway. stgraber just wants to fix ltsp on alternate before they drop it ;) | 21:46 |
pnarciso | and firefox crashed with xorg 1.13 | 21:46 |
knome | firefox crashes even without xorg :) | 21:46 |
pnarciso | about multimedia support for ubuntu, do you have any improvements in mind for parole, or even thinking changing to another video player? | 21:47 |
ochosi | pnarciso: bluesabre and me improved parole quite a bit | 21:49 |
ochosi | pnarciso: have you tried it in 12.10? | 21:50 |
pnarciso | I have tried parole and I think it's very weak | 21:50 |
pnarciso | bluesabre haven't tried yet | 21:50 |
pnarciso | I usually use smplayer, for me the best | 21:50 |
pnarciso | forgeat about the bluesabre part, I read wrong :) | 21:53 |
ochosi | :) | 21:53 |
pnarciso | parole lacks option to choose what renderer to use | 21:53 |
ochosi | renderer? | 21:53 |
pnarciso | gl, vdapu, vv | 21:53 |
pnarciso | xv | 21:53 |
ochosi | not a very basic feature tbh | 21:54 |
pnarciso | without this options i'm stuck with video tearing | 21:54 |
ochosi | depends, i dunno what gstreamer uses by default | 21:54 |
pnarciso | I think is XV | 21:55 |
pnarciso | dunno | 21:55 |
ochosi | not sure, we're using a newer version of playbin now | 21:55 |
ochosi | (i mean since parole 0.3.0) | 21:55 |
pnarciso | 0.3.0.3 | 21:55 |
pnarciso | is the latest version in repo | 21:55 |
ochosi | yeah, it's our latest release | 21:56 |
pnarciso | using mplayer would be a better option | 21:57 |
pnarciso | more versatile and it support a lot of video renderers | 21:58 |
pnarciso | I have nvidia and I can use vdpau | 21:58 |
ochosi | mhm | 21:59 |
ochosi | i'm off for tonight, talk to you soon | 21:59 |
pnarciso | see ya | 22:00 |
amerigena | so, does the Network Troubleshooting section of the wiki need edits or not? | 23:16 |
pleia2 | amerigena: what name are you using on the wiki? | 23:17 |
pleia2 | looks like a JackFromm is actively editing that page | 23:17 |
knome | pleia2, bluesabre was on it too :) | 23:17 |
knome | but generally, if you think you can improve it.. | 23:18 |
knome | pleia2, would you like to go through some sections and see if they'd be ready to publish? | 23:18 |
knome | pleia2, if yes, make the "checked out" sections with bold | 23:18 |
pleia2 | knome: can't right now :( | 23:18 |
pleia2 | still working, then have an appointment, then more work, then packing! | 23:18 |
knome | pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png | 23:19 |
knome | pleia2, you didn't see that yet! | 23:19 |
pleia2 | pretty :) | 23:19 |
knome | pleia2, yeah, and you know what? it's uploaded | 23:19 |
pleia2 | :D | 23:19 |
knome | so more breathing space before docstringfreeze.. .) | 23:20 |
knome | + another eye | 23:20 |
knome | but yeah, ok if you can't | 23:22 |
knome | i'll see if i have time for some tomorrow | 23:22 |
pnarciso | hey guys | 23:44 |
amerigena | RichDennis | 23:45 |
pleia2 | amerigena: ok, JackFromm's last edit was 5 minutes ago so it looks like he's actively editing that page and it doesn't need attention at this very moment | 23:45 |
amerigena | that's the name I'm using on the wiki | 23:45 |
amerigena | OK. Are there any pages that do need editing? | 23:46 |
amerigena | Or is it all done? | 23:46 |
pleia2 | knome: ^^ | 23:46 |
pleia2 | (I don't know :)) | 23:46 |
knome | uh | 23:48 |
knome | there's something to do yeah | 23:48 |
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pnarciso | the panel indicators are behaving weird, I just lost my x-chat panel indicator :) | 23:53 |
pnarciso | have xubuntu 12.10 entered feature freeze by now ? | 23:54 |
pleia2 | yeah, everything did today | 23:55 |
pleia2 | you can still submit bugs though, fixes can get in :) | 23:55 |
pnarciso | I would like to make a sugestion regarding a keyboard shorcut to enable/disable compositor on the fly | 23:56 |
pleia2 | ah, that sort of thing would be better as a suggestion for the next cycle | 23:56 |
Book_em_Dano | does anyone need help w/ DocBook editing for the overhaul of the Xubuntu offline documentation? | 23:56 |
pnarciso | ahh ok | 23:56 |
pnarciso | I come up with a really nice script to do that | 23:57 |
pleia2 | Book_em_Dano: we absolutely do! but I think we're not quite ready yet (still have folks working on the rewrite) | 23:57 |
pnarciso | and it's very useful | 23:57 |
pleia2 | Book_em_Dano: so please stick around, we'll need you :) | 23:57 |
pnarciso | if someone need portuguese translations I can help | 23:57 |
pleia2 | pnarciso: great, so each cycle we create a planning document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap | 23:58 |
pleia2 | when we're creating that, there are posts on the xubuntu-devel mailing list, so I'd suggest signing up for that if you haven't already | 23:58 |
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