[00:09] knome: once we finish edits, I think I'll close down account creation, you and everyone who has worked on it will still be able to log in, but not new people [00:09] getting like 6 spam accounts created per hour, it's meh and moin doesn't have good controls for this [00:09] (their response is "It's a wiki!") [00:09] yeah [00:10] can you moderate account creation? [00:10] not without code changes [00:10] http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/DisableUserCreation outlines how to do it [00:10] fss [00:11] i mean moderation as in somebody needs to click a button [00:11] :P [00:11] I was hoping for that, alas... === smartboyhw is now known as Guest59018 === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [09:57] ooh! our doc wiki is down! [10:20] mr_pouit, what's your schedule today? [10:32] knome: not available, it's a good schedule :P [10:32] I can upload any last minute change before UIF [10:34] mr_pouit, what about the doc looks stuff? [10:34] mr_pouit, do you think it's possible to review that quickly and push? [10:35] mr_pouit, it's not perfect, but at least it's much better than what we've had before [10:36] mr_pouit, if you know at what time you would get to that, i can try to make it better before [10:37] I can't upload before 19 my local time anyway [10:37] 17 UTC I guess [10:37] ok [10:37] i'll try to get fixes in by that then === yofel_ is now known as yofel === red__ is now known as amerigena [17:18] mr_pouit, bug #1043957 [17:18] Launchpad bug 1043957 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Update documentation looks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043957 [17:23] bbl, about 19UTC [17:24] okay [17:33] knome, I tried. It's at least a little better organized. http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Troubleshooting [17:50] ochosi: abiword patch is in [17:51] :'-) <-- Tears of happiness [17:54] uh oh, lightdm is in this apt-get update [17:54] (Don't break anything) :) [19:03] micahg, what's the status with the indicators? [19:13] knome: removed for beta 1 [19:14] micahg, when are you expecting to get to reupload the gtk2 versions? [19:14] is beta 2 realistic? [19:14] knome: mr_pouit is handling that, you're CCd on the E-Mail thread, so you should know as much as me at this point :) [19:14] yeah, should be [19:15] ok, good enough for me. thanks! :) [19:15] :( [19:15] I miss the indicators already [19:15] bluesabre, don't be sad... :) [19:15] bluesabre, btw, the messaging indicator is probably not going to make it in Q [19:16] knome: And you say don't be sad? [19:16] bluesabre, unless you wish to work on it... [19:16] D: [19:16] That's tempting [19:16] well, i can't help it, so i'll try not to be sad. that's just how it is [19:16] Because I really like the messaging menu [19:16] :) [19:16] ask micahg and mr_pouit for details! [19:16] So, what's the deadline for that? [19:17] or probably just mr_pouit :D [19:17] bluesabre, deadline? feature freeze... [19:17] bluesabre, but it'd be good to get them to beta 2 with FFe's [19:17] ok [19:17] mr_pouit: Do we have indicator-messages in a branch somewhere? [19:25] anybody in the team who has got something new uploaded after alpha 3, please update http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1413&action=edit [19:26] xubuntu-team members should be able to login with ubuntu sso at http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/ [19:26] if you have problems, be in touch with me [19:26] * knome will now release the edit lock [19:28] holy crap, you can integrate wordpress with ubuntu sso! [19:28] yes, that's a canonical-provided feature [19:29] i heard you can integrate apache with ubuntu sso... [19:31] I don't suppose app updates should be included? (catfish/parole) [19:32] well, if they are completely different than in a3, then include them [19:32] Cool [19:32] we can always drop them from the final notes, if we have too much of them, but i don't think we will :) [19:36] bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png (updated a min ago, so take a look if you saw that url before) [19:37] Woohoo, we've made it to the future! [19:37] yeah [19:38] Looks really good [19:38] now we only need to update the content... [19:38] thanks :) [19:38] * knome worked about 2h with it today [19:38] Impressive [19:38] Maybe we should call you knome-shell? [19:38] hah :P [19:39] * holstein would totally run knome-shell! [19:40] ha [19:40] How much work is it to take the wiki-formatted docs and convert back to our offline docs? [19:40] i don't know docbook, but i believe it takes a few days [19:41] should look at the syntax quickly someday [19:41] we have about three weeks to update the doc strings, so now that the doc look is updated, we have again some breathing space with it [19:41] Cool [19:42] after that, there's two weeks time to translate the docs [19:42] I tried to work on the Network Troubleshooting section, but only managed to clean it up a little bit and reorganize [19:42] it's a good start [19:43] ifconfig? isn't nm able to give connection info too [19:43] right-click -> connection info [19:46] Ah [19:46] So it seems [19:46] That's a lot more user-friendly! [19:47] * bluesabre will return to editing [20:36] bluesabre: it seems we'd also have to update our icon-theme for the messaging-menu... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-add-new-message-indicator-icons [20:37] I saw that [20:37] btw, the icons look horrible imo [20:37] I agree [20:37] We can do better [20:37] :D [20:37] exactly :) [20:38] at least if someone gets it to work [20:38] If we have a branch somewhere, I can have a look at it [20:38] i don't think we do yet [20:39] i'm wondering how mr_pouit works on code, maybe he just pulls it locally and then pushes it when he's done with it [20:39] feel free to create at least a private branch in lp [20:40] I'm not even sure where to start. Is it indicator-messages-gtk2 I'm assuming? [20:40] re (quickly) [20:41] i guess you'd have to look at the changes in the gtk3-version first [20:41] oh, there is the man! [20:41] bluesabre: you need to take lp:indicator-messages from bzr, the latest branch [20:41] they changed the protocol, it's now libmessaging-menu, which uses some gtk3-only functions [20:42] So do we need to fork that too or something? [20:42] you can try to port it to gtk2 ;> [20:43] I might play with that a bit then [20:44] mr_pouit: so both would have to be ported to gtk2, indicator-messages and the lib? [20:44] knome: I'll try to take care of indicator-application and indicator-sound this week-end [20:44] ochosi: it's in the same source [20:44] oh ok [20:44] lubuntu only uses indicator-application by default, so basically they don't care with the rest [20:45] hm, i see [20:45] so no support from gilir then... [20:46] ochosi: I usually push branches as soon as possible, unless I did some horrible and unclean and dirty and horrible again hacks ;> [20:46] hehe, ok :) [20:47] darn, seems i should fix another bug in albatross-gtk2 :/ [20:47] I'm starting to consider buying that ultra-widescreen laptop [20:47] bluesabre: which one? [20:47] (I put my hacks at https://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/indicators-gtk2/ until i've cleaned that in a branch :P) [20:47] I forgot who makes it [20:47] But it has a 21:10 ratio I believe [20:47] mr_pouit: uu, untrusted connection! should i trust it?? (: [20:48] remove the 's' :P [20:48] hello all [20:48] oh right, 's' as in untruSted [20:48] ciao pnarciso [20:49] italiano :) [20:49] you seem to be quite quick from my last bugreport comment in lp to here :) [20:49] well, I'm digging testing xubuntu [20:50] :) [20:50] great work [20:50] nice [20:50] thanks, user-interface freeze kept us busy the last few days [20:50] but since that deadline has passed we can go back to ignoring bugs and bugreports ;) [20:51] can you upload that background for the panel [20:51] I would like to test it [20:51] you mean the one from the screenshot? [20:51] Yes, and more if you have [20:51] i contacted the author a few times, but he never responded and it was entirely unclear under what license he had published it [20:51] (somewhere on deviantart i think) [20:51] but someone suggested a new one [20:52] i can put it up somewhere for you to test [20:52] ok [20:52] for private use i can also send you the other one [20:52] offcourse [20:52] but we won't be able to use that in xubuntu i guess [20:53] It was a good idea to disable compositor by deafult, it causes more issues than advantages [20:53] pnarciso: http://imagebin.org/226489 [20:53] mr_pouit: did we really disable the compositor by default? [20:53] personal branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-gtk2 [20:53] I'll hack on it tonight (possibly) and tomorrow [20:54] sounds great! [20:54] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-default-settings/quantal/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml#L9 [20:54] ochosi: nope, it's still enabled [20:54] that's what i thought [20:54] (unless something changed in xfwm4) [20:55] pnarciso: ^ [20:55] for some reason indicator-messages fix reminds me about guy who thought about making irc bot with Qt [20:55] but the bottom dock-like panel would look ugly with compositing anyway [20:55] I'm talking about the decision in one of your meetings [20:55] at least for the live cd [20:55] pnarciso: afair there was only a discussion, then astraljava should've investigated switching off the compositor just for the live-session [20:56] but since that never went down (i guess because RL got in the way) it's still enabled everywhere [20:56] mr_pouit: not if it had a background-image or something [20:56] yeah [20:56] but yeah, as long as xfwm4's borders are broken, i'm happy we have some shadow behind windows... [20:57] hehe [20:57] bbl, maybe [20:57] ok, ttyl [20:58] I've just put that background image and it looks gooood [20:58] screenshot? [21:01] http://imagebin.org/226492 [21:02] yeah, doesn't look bad [21:02] there's a bug though with it [21:02] not sure why [21:02] look at the trash-icon [21:02] the lines break before and after [21:02] mr_pouit: Just to make sure I'm in the right direction, does (gtk_widget_insert_action_group) ring a bell? [21:02] (i guess because it's not a launcher but a plugin) [21:03] bluesabre: he left at 22:57 [21:03] (oops, that's in my TZ) [21:03] I see that now [21:03] :) [21:03] But I think that's right [21:03] maybe it's worth talking to indicator-devs [21:03] not sure they'll be helpful [21:03] I'm curious to see how far I get [21:03] :D [21:03] but we could try to make them feel bad :p [21:04] hehe, ok [21:07] another fix that landed today was for abiword, rullers aren't black anymore [21:08] yes i read [21:08] i just fired up my vbox just to test that [21:09] but i guess i have to change repos to the main server [21:09] fix hasnt landed on my mirror yet [21:11] the problem right now is the flashing when scrolling the pages with mouse wheel or scroll bars [21:11] pnarciso: btw, do you have a hardware install or are you using virtualisation to test quantal? [21:12] meh, i can confirm the flickering with vbox :( [21:12] I have both [21:12] also: i'm not sure i like the grey background of the rulers [21:12] i'd have preferred if they had used the base-color, not the bg-color [21:13] well, that's a thing that must be changed in the theme I guess [21:13] not sure it can be changed [21:14] abiword uses a very very custom widget for the rulers [21:15] wow, this time ubuntu's community wallpapers are better than ever before [21:18] Yeah, WAYYYYY better than 12.04's wps [21:18] btw, the indicator-devs are jerks... using functions that are introduced in gtk 3.6 [21:19] It will make this a funnnnnnn project [21:19] yeah, well in short they don't care about us [21:20] I think I'm just going to try to drop the new "essential" stuff into the code for gtk2 [21:20] and wrestle with it [21:22] hmm [21:23] what do the new functions do? [21:24] They use things that weren't available in gtk2 [21:24] Like using a menu model [21:25] thats like using new stuff to do new stuff, how they dare! [21:25] not exactly [21:25] the menu model existed in gtk2 [21:25] but it appears like you couldn't actually use it for a menu [21:25] or at least, I haven't figured it out yet [21:28] can we expect new changes regarding how menu is displayed? Is this what you are working on? [21:28] pnarciso: what do you mean with "how menu is displayed"? what menu? [21:28] bluesabre, thanks for picking it up :) [21:28] ahoi mighty XPL [21:28] knome, no promises [21:28] hey ochosi [21:29] I'm going to try [21:29] really hard [21:29] bluesabre, at least you're trying... and seriously man, you have three weeks [21:29] but can't guarantee anything [21:29] ;) [21:29] lol [21:29] the subject that bluesabre is talking [21:29] pnarciso: we lost the indicators from the panel in 12.10 for now [21:29] pnarciso: bluesabre and mr_pouit are working to get them back [21:29] My goal is to get them back in at least their previous form [21:30] yeah, that would be enough imo [21:30] for 13.04 we need an entirely new plan [21:30] (prolly involving a gtk3 panel) [21:30] Does the panel depend on a lot of xf-stuff, or is it largely gtk2 only? [21:31] not sure [21:31] i think the main problem are all the plugins and goodies... [21:32] Ok, I get it, that why I can't see the mail indicator or gmusic browser [21:32] exactly [21:33] is this because xfce still haven't migrated to gtk3? [21:34] yes [21:34] basically [21:34] have you tried to contact xfce devs for a workaround [21:35] indicators have nothing to do with xfce, they're done by ubuntu [21:35] heading out, bbl [21:35] we can only hope that the panel will get ported in time for 13.04 [21:35] seeya guys [21:35] whatsoever, yes, we are in constant communication with the xfce devs [21:35] bluesabre: k, seeya later [21:35] see you bluesabre [21:38] with xfce now the default DE in debian, let's hope more ppl join xfce team, it's a great DE but it's lagging behind [21:38] well, it has been a very small team pretty much always [21:39] ubuntu looks like keeping alternate at least for beta 1, so probably we should too. [21:42] in the past week alternate install was the only way to install daily build [21:42] i installed with desktop [21:42] don't know if those problem were fixed by now [21:43] it wasn't today, maybe 2 days ago [21:44] xorg 1.13 really messed up [21:44] only by one pixel, so not a lot.. [21:44] ;) [21:46] re: alternate, looks like ubuntu is dropping it anyway. stgraber just wants to fix ltsp on alternate before they drop it ;) [21:46] and firefox crashed with xorg 1.13 [21:46] firefox crashes even without xorg :) [21:47] about multimedia support for ubuntu, do you have any improvements in mind for parole, or even thinking changing to another video player? [21:49] pnarciso: bluesabre and me improved parole quite a bit [21:50] pnarciso: have you tried it in 12.10? [21:50] I have tried parole and I think it's very weak [21:50] bluesabre haven't tried yet [21:50] I usually use smplayer, for me the best [21:53] forgeat about the bluesabre part, I read wrong :) [21:53] :) [21:53] parole lacks option to choose what renderer to use [21:53] renderer? [21:53] gl, vdapu, vv [21:53] xv [21:54] not a very basic feature tbh [21:54] without this options i'm stuck with video tearing [21:54] depends, i dunno what gstreamer uses by default [21:55] I think is XV [21:55] dunno [21:55] not sure, we're using a newer version of playbin now [21:55] (i mean since parole 0.3.0) [21:55] 0.3.0.3 [21:55] is the latest version in repo [21:56] yeah, it's our latest release [21:57] using mplayer would be a better option [21:58] more versatile and it support a lot of video renderers [21:58] I have nvidia and I can use vdpau [21:59] mhm [21:59] i'm off for tonight, talk to you soon [22:00] see ya [23:16] so, does the Network Troubleshooting section of the wiki need edits or not? [23:17] amerigena: what name are you using on the wiki? [23:17] looks like a JackFromm is actively editing that page [23:17] pleia2, bluesabre was on it too :) [23:18] but generally, if you think you can improve it.. [23:18] pleia2, would you like to go through some sections and see if they'd be ready to publish? [23:18] pleia2, if yes, make the "checked out" sections with bold [23:18] knome: can't right now :( [23:18] still working, then have an appointment, then more work, then packing! [23:19] pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png [23:19] pleia2, you didn't see that yet! [23:19] pretty :) [23:19] pleia2, yeah, and you know what? it's uploaded [23:19] :D [23:20] so more breathing space before docstringfreeze.. .) [23:20] + another eye [23:22] but yeah, ok if you can't [23:22] i'll see if i have time for some tomorrow [23:44] hey guys [23:45] RichDennis [23:45] amerigena: ok, JackFromm's last edit was 5 minutes ago so it looks like he's actively editing that page and it doesn't need attention at this very moment [23:45] that's the name I'm using on the wiki [23:46] OK. Are there any pages that do need editing? [23:46] Or is it all done? [23:46] knome: ^^ [23:46] (I don't know :)) [23:48] uh [23:48] there's something to do yeah === red_ is now known as amerigena [23:53] the panel indicators are behaving weird, I just lost my x-chat panel indicator :) [23:54] have xubuntu 12.10 entered feature freeze by now ? [23:55] yeah, everything did today [23:55] you can still submit bugs though, fixes can get in :) [23:56] I would like to make a sugestion regarding a keyboard shorcut to enable/disable compositor on the fly [23:56] ah, that sort of thing would be better as a suggestion for the next cycle [23:56] does anyone need help w/ DocBook editing for the overhaul of the Xubuntu offline documentation? [23:56] ahh ok [23:57] I come up with a really nice script to do that [23:57] Book_em_Dano: we absolutely do! but I think we're not quite ready yet (still have folks working on the rewrite) [23:57] and it's very useful [23:57] Book_em_Dano: so please stick around, we'll need you :) [23:57] if someone need portuguese translations I can help [23:58] pnarciso: great, so each cycle we create a planning document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap [23:58] when we're creating that, there are posts on the xubuntu-devel mailing list, so I'd suggest signing up for that if you haven't already