[17:42] <dOofuS_> Hello, I am downloading and installing Linux and have selected Ubuntu to put on an old Compaq server I have acquired. I want to run Linux because I know it's better suited to server tasks but am extremely new to the OS. Is there good documentation or videos that I can watch to help get myself acquainted to Linux, and specifically Ubuntu?
[17:44] <holstein> well, "better" is a matter of opinion
[17:44] <dOofuS_> Well, the alternative is Windows.
[17:44] <holstein> what i did... i ran desktop linux for a long time, and i started doing tasks in the command line more and more
[17:45] <Unit193> !serverguide|How about this, dOofuS_?
[17:45] <ubot2`> How about this, dOofuS_?: The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/
[17:45] <holstein> reading through the server guide would be a great idea
[17:45] <dOofuS_> Will that be helpful if I'm planning to install the desktop version?
[17:46] <dOofuS_> I'm basically looking to turn an old rig into a Minecraft host.
[17:46] <holstein> you can... you can run the desktop version and have "servers" running there
[17:46] <Unit193> I've used it before for desktop, but it may be more for a server.
[17:46] <Unit193> I have an httpd on mine (almost al of mine, to be exact)
[17:46] <holstein> when you say "server" that implies usually that you will not have a monitor.. headless and connect in remotely via a terminal or something
[17:47] <holstein> you can have a minecraft server running ona desktop machine
[17:47] <holstein> its all open, you can do what you want
[17:47] <dOofuS_> I actually installed MineOS on this system before, and it did it's job just fine, but there's no user interface beyond a web interface, and it's pretty antiquated.
[17:48] <holstein> eh. antiquated might just be simple in that case
[17:48] <dOofuS_> Well, limited, perhaps, is a better way to put it.
[17:49] <dOofuS_> I'm thinking of putting this on there, and hoping that will make administration from another PC, and server operations, easier for me. http://mcmyadmin.com
[17:52] <dOofuS_> So, I'm hoping this is as easy as: burn the distro ISO, install OS, download mcmyadmin, ???, profit
[17:53] <holstein> dOofuS_: i did a presentation at my LUG called 'linux is not magic'
[17:53] <holstein> dOofuS_: what you say is true, assuming you understand each of those parts and know how to set them up
[17:53] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/forum/general/20110821/tklpatch-unofficial-minecraft-server mentions mineOS
[17:55] <dOofuS_> I realize it's not magic. I consider myself a power user on a PC, but when I hear Linux I feel like a complete novice. It's daunting and terrifying. I've wanted to learn how to use it for years but just never got over the initial fear of the unknown.
[17:56] <holstein> imagine it were me coming to you and asking the same about windows.. i wouldnt be able to just "poof" have a server.. i would need to learn some things
[17:56] <Unit193> Some people link to http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm with people getting started, but I'm not really sure how helpful it would be. :P
[17:56] <holstein> its totally do-able... and just not "common" for what you are used to
[18:07] <dOofuS_> Well, just burned the ISO, and I'm burning the lightscribe label found here: http://dlpmkg.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-LightScribe-label-193353008
[18:07] <dOofuS_> I'll let you know if I have more questions, and thanks for your input.
[18:10] <holstein> dOofuS_: enjoy! ....im sure someone of your skill will be at home in no time!
[19:45] <dOofuS_> Hello again, I am having an issue running the "mono McMyAdmin.exe" command. I installed mono using sudo apt-get install mono-runtime, and it seemed to install fine, but it responds "The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded. It should have been installed in the 'usr/lib/mono/2.0/lib.dll' directory.
[19:45] <dOofuS_> The mono-project website hasn't been loading, or I'd be looking through documentation there.
[19:55] <holstein> dOofuS_: is there a linux version?
[19:59] <dOofuS_> No, the installation instructions for 32 bit linus specifically require the use of Mono
[19:59] <dOofuS_> http://wiki.phonicuk.com/Installing-McMyAdmin.ashx
[19:59] <holstein> i just know how challenging it is to get non linux code to run in linux
[20:06] <holstein> dOofuS_: that guide is way out of my comfortzone
[20:06] <holstein> i would want a linux native application
[20:07] <dOofuS_> Naturally, but what's out of your comfort zone? The mono stuff?
[20:07] <holstein> dOofuS_: that entire guide... and using code like that in mono
[20:08] <holstein> typically i run sudo apt-get service.... edit a config file for said service.. and start the service
[20:08] <holstein> if you want to run something that is not designed to run on linux like that, i would expect issues... especially as a first time project
[20:08] <holstein> the linux action show guys have a minecraft server running on what i assume is linux
[20:09] <holstein> maybe they would share
[20:09] <dOofuS_> Linux Action Show?
[20:11] <holstein> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxactionshow/
[20:12] <dOofuS_> I'm following this advice: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10490155/unable-to-run-net-app-with-mono-mscorlib-dll-not-found-version-mismatch
[20:12] <dOofuS_> It's installing now.
[20:12] <dOofuS_> Mono, that is, not McMyAdmin.
[20:12] <holstein> mono is just in the repos AFAIK
[20:13] <holstein> sudo apt-get install mono-runtime or whatever
[20:13] <holstein> !mono
[20:13] <ubot2`> Factoid 'mono' not found
[20:14] <holstein> http://wiki.phonicuk.com/Installing-Mono-in-Ubuntu.ashx or whatever
[20:18] <dOofuS_> Waiting for this download/install thing to finish.
[20:23] <dOofuS_> If I'm executing a command, like mono 'appname' and it says "Cannot open assembly 'McMyAdmin.exe': No such file or directory. I assume it means I need to include the directory to the file. What's the proper way to do that in Linux?
[20:24] <dOofuS_> Forgive the confusion, replace 'appname' in the previous comment with 'McMyAdmin.exe'
[20:27] <dOofuS_> Solved it myself. I right clicked on the application and went to 'properties' and the directory was provided there, and placing that in the command worked.
[20:27] <holstein> include the path?.. you can use tab complete, that helps.. you can just grab it in a file manager and drag it over in the terminal..
[20:28] <dOofuS_> Well that's a handy trick.
[20:33] <dOofuS_> If I have some items in a zip archive, and I try to extract them to /usr/local/ it says I don't have the right permissions to extract archives into that folder. How do I get the right permissions?
[20:35] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[20:35] <holstein> !sudo
[20:35] <ubot2`> sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[20:35] <holstein> dOofuS_: i would extract them, and then sudo mv them
[20:36] <holstein> i would not just "willie nillie" move things in there
[20:36] <dOofuS_> Could you assist me with my issue? I can format this thing again relatively easily if I mess something up. I'd just like to know how it's done.
[20:37] <holstein> dOofuS_: what.. zip?
[20:37] <holstein> i would right click and extract... and sudo mv it
[20:37] <holstein> or, follow the command line extract that i linked
[20:38] <dOofuS_> The zip archive is...
[20:38] <dOofuS_> http://mcmyadmin.com/downloads/etc.zip
[20:39] <holstein> cool.. i would literally right click on it and extract it
[20:39] <holstein> then, you can open a terminal and sudo mv it.. you can type sudo mv and click and drag what you want to move over... and hit space and type the path where you want it to go
[20:40] <holstein> OR, you can open nautilus as root
[20:40] <holstein> gksudo nautilus
[20:40] <holstein> or, sudo unzip from one of the linkes above
[20:40] <holstein> i would just extract and move it as sudo in the command line
[20:50] <dOofuS_> So, somehow my last session closed, sorry but I don't have any of the links you provided me. Are you familiar with the sudo unzip command? Could I extract it that way? Or do you just think I should do the sudo mv and manually place the files?
[20:51] <holstein> dOofuS_: i would be most comfortable mv as root
[20:51] <dOofuS_> Alright, I'll give that a shot.
[20:51] <holstein> i would like to extract and see that work.. then mv
[20:52] <veric> i dl it off of the main ubuntu site
[20:52] <veric> how do i test that?
[20:54] <holstein> veric: why dont you open the update manager and see what is there
[20:55] <veric> nothing
[20:55] <holstein> veric: you refreshed it?
[20:56] <veric> yes i did
[20:56] <dOofuS_> Is there an equivalent command to ipconfig on PC, in Ubuntu? I want to check the IP assigned to my server.
[20:56] <holstein> dOofuS_: ifconfig
[20:56] <dOofuS_> Thanks helstein
[20:57] <holstein> veric: in a terminal
[20:57] <holstein> lsb_release -a
[20:57] <holstein> should say 12.04.1 LTS
[20:58] <veric> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS -- Release:	12.04 -- Codename:	precise
[21:01] <holstein> ok
[21:01] <holstein> veric: you can lay it out again here and see if anyone can help
[21:01] <holstein> i would go ahead and put it up on ask ubuntu and in the mailing list
[21:02] <veric> think the install form the burned iso could be missing something?
[21:02] <holstein> veric: i have literally no idea
[21:02] <holstein> i install chrome and flash works
[21:02] <dOofuS_> I've got a question, Holstein, when you've got a moment.
[21:02] <holstein> ive never seen it not work
[21:02] <holstein> veric: all i know is, you arent recieving chrome updates
[21:03] <holstein> veric: i would remove chrome and reinstall
[21:03] <veric> well thats par for me if thheres an issue it will happen to me
[21:03] <holstein> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/ 32bit for ubuntu
[21:03] <veric> Flash will not work on any sites
[21:04] <holstein> dOofuS_: sure.. just ask
[21:05] <dOofuS_> I got McMyAdmin to work, and the web interface is working when accessed through localhost:8080, but in the terminal when I started the server, it says "Caution: You are using the default login password! Remote users will not be able to log in." Is this in reference, do you think, to a config for the application, or is it telling me that I'm not running it from root or something?
[21:05] <holstein> i wouldnt run it as root
[21:06] <holstein> that reads, the application has a password function you can use for users to join
[21:06] <veric> do i purge chrome ?
[21:06] <holstein> veric: i would
[21:06] <holstein> veric: its trial and error right now
[21:08] <veric> cant locate it to purge it
[21:08] <holstein> veric: try in the package manager of your choice
[21:09] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove google-chrome
[21:10] <veric> Virtual packages like 'google-chrome' can't be removed
[21:10] <holstein> i would use tab complete for chrome and/or google and see what comes up
[21:10] <holstein> i would open synatic or the software center and searh chrome and remove it
[21:11] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove google-chrome-stable
[21:12] <veric> found it
[21:13] <veric> any ideas before i try to reinstall?
[21:13] <holstein> chrome? nope.. just get the lastest version of chrome installed
[21:13] <holstein> check about:plugins
[21:13] <holstein> check the version in "about"
[21:16] <veric> ok i will do that and see whar hapens if not im gona burn a new iso and let ya know what happens
[21:17] <holstein> veric: i would download a new iso
[21:17] <holstein> consider checking the sum
[21:17] <holstein> !md5 | veric
[21:17] <ubot2`> veric: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[21:18] <veric> will do thx holstein i have to put this on hold for a bit  i hace class and exams
[21:19] <holstein> veric: sure.. sorry you are having such a hassle
[21:19] <holstein> i wish it were easy.. i have absolutely no idea what is goin on
[21:20] <veric> i hear that thanks for your help
[21:22] <holstein> veric: anytime... and i think this is the best channel for now
[22:27] <Vetinari> Hi
[22:28] <Vetinari> I upgraded from  to 11.10 to 12.04.1 and got error partition doesn't exist.
[22:28] <Vetinari> I tried to recover and now only see a grub screen at boot
[22:34] <holstein> Vetinari: elaborate on "tried to recover"
[22:36] <Vetinari> holstein: I ran these commands: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125428/grub-complains-of-no-such-partition-after-installing-1204
[22:36] <Vetinari> Specifically Command-line version
[22:37] <holstein> so you installed 12.04?
[22:37] <holstein> or upgraded?
[22:37] <Vetinari> Upgraded
[22:37] <Vetinari> Also, I may quite possibly have picked the wrong sda partition
[22:37] <holstein> thats not what that post is about
[22:38] <holstein> its about a fresh install from what i read
[22:38] <holstein> used to be 11.10 and fresh install of 12.04
[22:38] <Vetinari> Oh
[22:38] <Vetinari>  /facepalm
[22:38] <Vetinari> Well, that would explain why it didn't work
[22:38] <holstein> i would do the normal things.. test the memory and maybe test the hard drive... look at the structure and see that its as i expect
[22:38] <holstein> then i would refer to
[22:38] <holstein> !grub | Vetinari
[22:38] <ubot2`> Vetinari: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[22:38] <holstein> the part about recovering from a live CD
[22:39] <holstein> i assume you did something like that just now
[22:39] <Vetinari> holstein: Unfortunately, I don't have a new live CD
[22:39] <Vetinari> the last I have is from Ubuntu 9.04
[22:39] <holstein> i would try that.. but a new one would be ideal
[22:41] <Vetinari> holstein: What happens is that when I try to add repos I get:
[22:41] <Vetinari> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[22:41] <holstein> Vetinari: i would use tab complete
[22:42] <Vetinari> But using add-apt[tab] says nothing
[22:42] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository some:ppa
[22:42] <holstein> Vetinari: then try installing it
[22:43] <holstein> !addppa
[22:43] <ubot2`> Since Ubuntu 9.10, a !ppa can be added using a single command «  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name » See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20PPAs for more details
[22:43] <Vetinari> Using 9.04
[22:43]  * Vetinari curses own stupidity
[22:43] <holstein> wont work there AAFAIK
[22:47] <Vetinari> w00!
[22:47] <Vetinari> Found an Ubuntu 10.10 CD hidden