[01:36] <cyphermox> hey bryceh
[01:36] <cyphermox> is it safe to upgrade if I have an nvidia card by now?
[01:36] <cyphermox> ( i mean without falling back to nouveau)
[01:50] <robru> cyphermox, osomon wrote in an email to product-strategy list that quantal was safe for nvidia
[01:51] <cyphermox> ah, cool, thanks robru
[01:52] <robru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1037896 referring to this bug cyphermox ? that is the one that osomon says is fixed in quantal
[01:52] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1037896 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Starting Firefox kills xserver immediately when using 2D desktop" [Critical,Fix released]
[01:57] <cyphermox> robru: ah it's not necessarily that, I don't know
[01:57] <cyphermox> there was a point where X was upgraded I think and it was breaking nvidia (not nouveau)
[01:58] <cyphermox> it's a little while ago I just haven't updated this system since
[01:58] <cyphermox> maybe I'll just run the upgrade early tomorrow morning
[02:20] <robru> cyphermox, couldn't tell you, I have ati and haven't had problems. I just remembered reading somebody complain about nvidia drivers and then osomon said the fix had landed.
[02:20] <robru> sorry ;-)
[05:20] <bryceh> cyphermox, yeah we got the new nvidia driver in now
[05:22] <bryceh> fglrx doesn't appear to have its update yet tho
[05:32] <pitti_> Bonjour
[05:36] <RAOF> Salut!
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyoner
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> **everyone
[07:48] <dpm> morning chrisccoulson
[07:50] <dpm> morning pitti. Eventually the source packages for the full q langpacks were created yesterday. Would you mind testing the German one to confirm it works? If it's ok, then I'll start the upload
[07:50] <pitti> dpm: bonjour!
[07:51] <dpm> bon dia!
[07:52] <pitti> dpm: d'accord, je vais tester les paquets
[07:53] <dpm> molt bé ;)
[08:03] <pitti> dpm: binary debdiff looks mostly ok; I'm not sure why banshee help was added to -gnome, it's in universe
[08:04] <pitti> dpm: oh wait, it dropped a ton of help pages, that can't be intended?
[08:04] <pitti> or is that due to gnome 3.6 not having translations for those yet?
[08:04] <pitti> dpm: ah, ignore me; these apparently moved to mallard
[08:04] <pitti> /usr/share/gnome/help -> /usr/share/help
[08:05] <dpm> pitti, not sure about banshee help, we don't have it as a template in LP
[08:06] <dpm> we still have banshee enabled, though, but it might be because we enabled the "import from universe" feature on that one
[08:06] <pitti> dpm: banshee debian/control
[08:06] <pitti> X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes
[08:06] <pitti> so, this actually _works_ *gosh*
[08:06] <dpm> yeah, a translation team member talked to Banshee upstream
[08:06] <dpm> cool :)
[08:07] <pitti> help works fine in eog (one of the moved ones)
[08:07] <pitti> I can't restart my desktop session just yet, package build going on
[08:08] <pitti> I'll give you the final ok in ~ 15 mins, is that ok?
[08:08] <seb128> happy friday desktopers!
[08:09] <jasoncwarner_> hey seb128 pitti !
[08:09] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, howdy, how are you?
[08:09] <pitti> avoir un bon vendrendi, mes amis!
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, merci !
[08:09] <jasoncwarner_> pretty good, seb128 , even went to the doctor during lunch today and he told me I was still alive. That is pretty much a win each and every day
[08:10] <pitti> *chuckle*
[08:11] <pitti> nothing like being _certified_ that you feel well :)
[08:18] <dpm> pitti, hm, I got this when trying to upload the language packs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1177365/
[08:20] <pitti> dpm: yeah, that's a known issue with using dchroot in the data center
[08:20] <pitti> you can safely ignore this
[08:21] <dpm> pitti, oh, I thought it was an error and I executed the command twice. Will this cause the uploads to be done twice?
[08:21] <pitti> dpm: the building of source packages and uplaoding will take half an hour or so
[08:22] <pitti> if it ends immediately, something is wrong; did it?
[08:22] <dpm> pitti, the command returned to the prompt immediately with that message on the pastebin ^
[08:22] <pitti> ok, that's bad
[08:22] <pitti> brb, rebooting to test new pack, then I'll take a look
[08:23] <dpm> thanks pitti
[08:26] <pitti> dpm: german langpack LGTM
[08:26] <dpm> cool
[08:27] <pitti> dpm: ah, it's because updated-packages is empty
[08:27] <pitti> so there's nothing to upload
[08:27] <pitti> dpm: did you upload it already?
[08:27] <pitti> not in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1
[08:28] <dpm> pitti, no, didn't upload it yet, that's all I did ^
[08:28]  * pitti restores the updated-packages file
[08:28] <dpm> thanks
[08:28] <pitti> ls -d ../quantal/sources-*/* > updated-packages
[08:29] <pitti> dpm: it's running now
[08:29] <pitti> the cron jobs are all disabled, no idea what caused it to become empty
[08:29] <dpm> pitti, one thing I can think of is that I did not disable the cron jobs for the updates. Could have that cleared the updated-packages file?
[08:29] <pitti> it's usually because import gets run again
[08:29] <pitti> dpm: the cron jobs usually abort immediately if updated-packages exists and is nonempty
[08:29] <pitti> and even if a job was already running, it should not be empty
[08:30] <dpm> in that case I can't think of anything else
[08:38] <pitti> argh argh argh
[08:38] <pitti> Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused')
[08:39] <pitti> WTF?
[08:39] <pitti> I can't upload anything from macquarie
[08:40] <seb128> pitti, post DC move issue, chinstrap was blocked as well, ask on #is
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, we had to get them to tweak the firewall on different boxes since, I guess nobody before you tried to use macquari
[08:41] <seb128> e
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: merci; asked now
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, de rien
[08:48] <davidcalle> seb128, salut
[08:48] <davidcalle> seb128, about the photos lens, in last resort, the flickr integration can be ditched, this would solve the oauth2 issue. This is by far the nicest integration, but it would not be the end of the world.
[08:54] <seb128> davidcalle, salut
[08:54] <seb128> davidcalle, I need to discuss that with kenvandine and mterry again today
[08:58] <davidcalle> seb128, ok. I'm also open to porting it back to Python2, should be fast.
[09:02] <pitti> dpm: firewall got fixed, uploading/accepting langpacks now
[09:02] <pitti> dpm: thanks for preparing!
[09:02] <dpm> pitti, thanks to you for picking up the pieces :)
[09:03] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/builders is busy now :)
[09:25] <davidcalle> dednick, hi
[09:25] <dednick> davidcalle: howdy
[09:26] <davidcalle> dednick, if you have the time, I'd like your feedback on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1043808
[09:26] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1043808 in unity "Preview activation doesn't have instant feedback" [Undecided,New]
[09:31] <dednick> davidcalle: I agree that something should be done, but I need to get some feedback from the deisgn team first.
[09:34] <davidcalle> dednick, thanks, I'm subscribing design.
[09:34] <dednick> davidcalle: thanks.
[10:02] <mitya57> larsu: hi, can I ask you a question about libmessagingmenu?
[10:02] <larsu> mitya57, sure
[10:03] <mitya57> larsu: is there a function like set_menu in the new api (for dynamic shortcuts)?
[10:03] <mitya57> previously there was: http://askubuntu.com/questions/61336/dynamic-shortcuts-for-messaging-menu
[10:04] <larsu> mitya57, no, and that is by design: adding shortcuts that disappear when the application is not running is confusing
[10:04] <larsu> mitya57, why can't you make it a static shortcut?
[10:05] <mitya57> larsu: in my case (unity-mail) it's "Mark all messages as read" action and I need to connect it to a function
[10:06] <mitya57> so I'll have to create a source for that...
[10:07] <larsu> mitya57, to be honest, that's not really an action that should be in the messaging menu. Isn't it enough to have "mark all as read" in your main ui?
[10:08] <larsu> oh, unity-mail doesn't have a main ui?
[10:08] <mitya57> it has a preferences dialog
[10:08] <mitya57> I can move that action to the quicklist, so that's not a problem
[10:09] <larsu> yeah. I recommend against having it in the messaging menu, it's just not made for things like this
[10:10] <mitya57> larsu: ok, another question: is there any replacement for 'server-display' signal?
[10:11] <mitya57> larsu: it was emitted when user clicked the application name in the menu
[10:12] <larsu> mitya57, no, it always launches what's in the "Exec" field of your .desktop file
[10:12] <larsu> that's not a problem if your application is single-instance
[10:13] <larsu> which I hope it is ?!
[10:14] <mitya57> larsu: yeah, it is, so I can just remove that handler
[10:15] <larsu> mitya57, yes. out of interest: what do you start when the menu item is clicked? The preferences dialog?
[10:15] <mitya57> larsu: I did execute "um-url Home" — the same command that is in .desktop Exec
[10:16] <mitya57> (it reads the webmail url from the configuration file and opens it)
[10:16] <larsu> that makes sense
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> the new wallpapers are nice
[10:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I like the twitter one :p (I decided to call it twitter ;-)
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's my favourite
[10:52] <davmor2> hey guys on quantal I've gone to connect to my server using nautilus/connect to server via ssh and I get a GDBus.Error Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[10:53] <seb128> does it happen every time?
[10:53] <seb128> wfm
[10:53] <seb128> pitti, is putting that sort of things under test, not sure if he did ssh yet
[10:54] <pitti> yes, my gvfs tests test ssh
[10:54] <davmor2> seb128: yeap it is here,  this is a fresh install
[10:55] <pitti> sftp:// connectino to my server (from nautilus "connect to server") works here, hmm
[10:56] <pitti> davmor2: can you try "gvfs-mount sftp://yourserver" in a terminal and see what happens?
[10:56] <davmor2> pitti: ah hang on there are some updates, for gvfs
[10:57] <pitti> it should ask you for a user/password, unless you already have it in your ssh config
[10:57] <pitti> davmor2: that's only for updated tests; shouldn't change actual behaviour
[10:57] <davmor2> pitti: right no worries
[10:57] <pitti> on that note, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-gvfs/ is green again \o/
[10:58] <pitti> now including cdrom and internal hard disk checks
[11:00] <davmor2> pitti: paste.ubuntu.com/1177590/  gvfs fails standard ssh connects
[11:01] <pitti> davmor2: is this an X.org/unity session, or CLI from a server?
[11:02] <davmor2> pitti: fresh quantal 64bit desktop (yesterday mornings iso) install connecting to a precise server
[11:03] <pitti> I'm rsyncing the current image now
[11:03] <pitti> davmor2: can you reproduce this in the live system, too?
[11:03] <pitti> so that we can meet in the middle for reproduction
[11:04] <pitti> I don't know how to further debug this with gvfs tools, I'm afraid
[11:04] <pitti> gvfs sucks at that
[11:04] <pitti> so I'll try to reproduce
[11:04] <davmor2> pitti: give me 10 minutes just need to do some work and then I'll drop the live cd  in and let you know
[11:05] <pitti> davmor2: thanks; I'll need about the same time to rsync and boot the current iso
[11:06] <davmor2> pitti: by the way I found zsync was much better for grabbing the images :)
[11:15] <davmor2> pitti: confirmed happens on live cd too
[11:18] <pitti> davmor2: I can reproduce it; do you know, is there a bug report for it already?
[11:19] <pitti> meh, compiz is really crash-land in kvm
[11:19] <pitti> davmor2: ah, I see a gvfsd-sftp .crash file there
[11:20] <davmor2> pitti: it is on the live cd too,  nope I went to use ubuntu-bug and it said there was a newer version of gvfs
[11:21] <pitti> davmor2: ok, it's bug 1033275
[11:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1033275 in gvfs "gvfsd-sftp crashed with SIGSEGV in fast_validate()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033275
[11:22]  * pitti dupes another bug to it
[11:24] <pitti> ok, that's precisely the thing that tests should cover, as soon as I find out what's the difference in the live system
[11:32] <davmor2> pitti: once you have a fix if you want a confirmation feel free to give me a ping, I've subbed myself to the bug also
[11:33] <pitti> davmor2: will do
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i love non-reproducible crashes :/
[11:37] <dupondje> aha pitti is fixing my bugs ;)
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> especially when they occur in the flash plugin
[11:38] <dupondje> chrisccoulson: flash rox ... not :)
[11:39] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/980766 => Anyone an idea on this? Tought this was a compiz bug that got fixed? but still some complaints it seems
[11:39] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 980766 in remmina "Remmina fullscreen jumps between workspaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:41] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: sadtrombone.com
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, hah, thanks for that :)
[11:48] <Sweetshark> seb128: so bug 1041354 has been targeted for beta1, beta1 freeze has passed without a fix. Do we need to do something about that, (e.g. tag it as a known bug?)
[11:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041354 in libreoffice "unity-panel-service since yesterday uses ~100% CPU when libreoffice-gtk is installed and enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041354
[11:48] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: It's best for putting a smile on your face and giving you fresh vigour to attack things
[11:48] <seb128> Sweetshark, you don't plan to land any lo update today then?
[11:48] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will do an updated build with most recent changes today.
[11:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, we can probably still get that in beta1 if we upload today
[11:49] <Sweetshark> seb128: Ill forward you the mail by antonio with some comments.
[11:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, what's your feeling?
[11:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, like what is your opinion on what we should do?
[11:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: hard to guess without a build. I trust Antonio, he is doing awesome work, and it hardly can be worse that the current package (except if the build breaks, which wouldnt bother endusers).
[11:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: and there is the workaround people are using currently -- uninstalling libreoffice-gtk -- which should be a suitable workaround for troubles with the new package too.
[11:59] <seb128> Sweetshark, I would like better if things were a bit nicer without workaround, like at least refresh every 10s rather than every 1s to hammer CPU less
[12:00] <afernandez> Hi Sweetshark
[12:01] <Sweetshark> afernandez: rehi ;)
[12:01] <Sweetshark> 13:59 < seb128> Sweetshark, I would like better if things were a bit nicer without workaround, like at least refresh every 10s rather than every 1s to hammer CPU less
[12:01] <Sweetshark> afernandez: do you still see the CPU load issue with your latest changes?
[12:02] <afernandez> Well, obviously that updating a menu every second has a CPU cost, but issues with the appmenu seem to have gone
[12:02] <afernandez> Problem with the old implementation was the massive DBus traffic
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> ah, the crash is not my fault. that's a relief
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> so i officially don't care about it now :)
[12:03] <afernandez> hahaha
[12:03] <mitya57> larsu: hi again
[12:03] <afernandez> I have tested this on Quantal and Precise, and performance looks good.
[12:03] <mitya57> larsu: for some reason the messaging menu picks all actions from unity-mail desktop file
[12:04] <Sweetshark> afernandez: welcome to the desktop team ( chrisccoulson is the firefox maintainer. I can feel his pain ;) )
[12:04] <mitya57> larsu: I think that shouldn't happen given that there're no TargetEnvironment/OnlyShowIn keys there
[12:04] <mitya57> larsu: is that a bug?
[12:04] <afernandez> Sweetshark, thank you :D
[12:04] <afernandez> larsu, sorry for inconvenience hahaha
[12:05] <afernandez> When integration with Ryan Lortie's modifications is done, performance shouldn't be an issue anymore
[12:06] <larsu> mitya57, yeah, sounds like a bug. I wonder where that comes from, that part shouldn't have changed
[12:07] <larsu> mitya57, a quick workaround would be to set "OnlyShowIn: Unity" fields in the desktop file for the items you only want to appear in the quicklist
[12:10] <mitya57> larsu: just letting you know
[12:10] <Sweetshark> seb128: so, whats your decision on this? I can also also set the timeout to 10 seconds for this build still, but we might get a lot of false bugs saying: I do this and then the menu doesnt enable although it should or somesuch ...
[12:11] <larsu> mitya57, noted, thanks
[12:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, afernandez: I'm not sure to understand, are performance issues solved or not with the current version and is the current version in a state where it can land?
[12:13] <afernandez> seb128, yes, performace issues seem to have gone. Honestly, I think this version is much better than the old one, but as I said before, there is an issue with Unity/Gtk+ that is making menus to be disabled magically...
[12:14] <mvo> is it just me or is indicator-datetime broken currently in quantal? spins at 100% cpu for me :/
[12:15] <seb128> mvo, just you, that code didn't change since precise
[12:15] <mvo> seb128: hrm, thats bad
[12:15] <mvo> for me
[12:15] <seb128> mvo, can you try to gdb it and see what it's doing, maybe e-d-s or geoclue services issues
[12:15] <Sweetshark> mvo: you know time changes *constantly* -- it really is a lot of work to keep up.
[12:15] <mvo> haha
[12:15] <seb128> afernandez, ok, how often do they disable, and does the current version require the ppa version of gtk with the patch from desrt,
[12:16] <seb128> ?
[12:16] <afernandez> seb128, after activating an action... and no, current version doesn't depend on desrt patch
[12:17] <afernandez> seb128, also note that this version is not working with the HUD, it needs further investigation
[12:17] <afernandez> seb128, but menus work well
[12:18] <seb128> afernandez, menu disabling after activating an action seems like a blocker issue...
[12:18] <seb128> afernandez, is desrt looking at that problem? or who is?
[12:19] <afernandez> seb128, desrt is travelling this week I think, so I doubt it
[12:19] <mvo> seb128: aha, it seems to be spinning on that it can't find a address provider!
[12:19] <afernandez> seb128, I tested my code with Precise and Quantal Alpha 3, and it works well...
[12:19] <afernandez> seb128, I don't know if you received an email I sent about an hour ago...
[12:19] <seb128> mvo, do you have a geoclue provider installed?
[12:20] <seb128> afernandez, let me read emails, sorry I'm just back from lunch ;-)
[12:20] <afernandez> seb128, don't worry :) I attached two videos to show this issue
[12:21] <mvo> seb128: now I have, it seems to get fixed when installing the geoclue-ubuntu-geoip package, want me to file a bug?
[12:22] <seb128> mvo, why wasn't it installed for you?
[12:22] <seb128> mvo, indicator-datetime depends on "geoclue-ubuntu-geoip | geoclue-provider"
[12:24] <mvo> seb128: I don't know :/
[12:25] <seb128> mvo, dpkg -l | grep geoclue
[12:25] <seb128> mvo, is that quantal?
[12:26] <mvo> seb128: yes, quantal and I have geoclue-geonames and ubuntu-geoip there
[12:26] <seb128> mvo, it's a bit like bug #951496
[12:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951496 in geoclue "indicator-datetime-session severely leaks memory" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951496
[12:26] <seb128> crap
[12:26] <seb128> the title is misleading
[12:26] <seb128> "geoclue (0.12.0-1ubuntu12) precise-proposed; urgency=low
[12:26] <seb128>   * debian/control
[12:26] <seb128>     - geoclue-examples shouldn't provide geoclue-provider"
[12:26] <seb128> mvo, I guess some provider there is broken...
[12:27] <seb128> mvo, you can probably open a bug "spin cpu with geonames"
[12:27] <mvo> seb128: sure, will do
[12:28] <seb128> mvo, danke
[12:28] <mvo> and my shortcuts do no longer worked now for some reason, my window manager settings gone :(
[12:29] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1041169
[12:29] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1041169 in compiz "custom keyboard shortcuts not migrated after upgrade to compiz 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu2 " [Low,Confirmed]
[12:30] <mvo> seb128: heh, you rock!
[12:31] <seb128> mvo, ;-)
[12:34] <Sweetshark> seb128, afernandez: Apropos lunch. This nerd almost forgot these nasty things like eating and drinking. Ill be off for ~1 hours now.
[12:35] <seb128> Sweetshark, enjoy!
[12:37] <afernandez> Sweetshark, ok! enjoy!
[12:41] <mvo> seb128: priority low? makes my life a missery that bug ;)
[12:41] <seb128> mvo, is that only a one time migration thing? like you can set them up again?
[12:41] <mvo> seb128: I have no idea, I need to find what the capplet is called nowdays to set it again ;)
[12:41] <seb128> afernandez, does it happen in writer, etc as well this bug or only on the start center screen?
[12:42] <seb128> mvo, "keyboard" :p
[12:42] <seb128> mvo, the second tab
[12:42] <pitti> mvo: my WM keybindings keep getting reset as well (in #1042041)
[12:42] <mvo> seb128: yeah, apparently I can just add the keyringings again
[12:42] <seb128> mvo, ok, good
[12:43] <mvo> pitti: indeed, keybindings and also no focus-follow-mouse anymore
[12:43] <afernandez> seb128, in all instances
[12:43] <mvo> pitti: aha, you have the same setting :)
[12:43] <afernandez> seb128, it also happens with older versions of the menu too
[12:43] <mvo> and this one has hte right priority :)
[12:43] <seb128> afernandez, older, like what is current quantal?
[12:43] <afernandez> seb128, yes
[12:44] <afernandez> seb128, I installed a daily build of quantal on a virtual machine and it happens too
[12:48] <seb128> afernandez, ok, not a regression ... so you would basically recommend landing the current version and consider it a good improvement over current quantal?
[12:48] <dednick> fginther: ping
[12:48] <fginther> dednick, pong
[12:49] <afernandez> seb128, yes, I would recommend it even though it has some issues
[12:49] <dednick> fginther: can i get a clarification of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1043997
[12:49] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1043997 in unity "Music lens preview does not show play/pause status" [Undecided,New]
[12:49] <afernandez> seb128, those issues would be fixed in future packages... not a big deal i think
[12:50] <afernandez> seb128, performance issues in the package that is currently in quantal are really serious... so I think it is better using this implementation
[12:50] <fginther> dednick, yes, how can I help
[12:51] <mvo> woah, ccsm is also not working
[12:51] <dednick> fginther: are you playing by the play button at the bottom of preview (ie the actions), or the play icon next to the track which appears when you hover over it?
[12:51] <mvo> or well, it works but changing stuff has no effect
[12:51] <dednick> fginther: hover over the track number icon i mean.
[12:53] <fginther> dednick, I was using the play button at the bottom of the preview. I was not aware of the 'hover' play
[12:53] <fginther> dednick, the hover play button works (plays and pauses)
[12:54] <fginther> dednick, I'll update the bug report. To request rewording the test.
[12:55] <dednick> fginther: ok, thanks.
[12:58] <mvo> glatzor: welcome back! any opinion on lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/support-for-whitelisted-repositories and lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/support-change-credentials-on-add-repo ?
[13:04] <glatzor> mvo, give me some hours :)
[13:05] <glatzor> mvo, are there any showstoppers or major issue I should address?
[13:06] <mvo> glatzor: not at all, it would just be nice to get a opinion
[13:06] <xclaesse> new status icon in empathy is an ubuntu or gnome thing?
[13:06] <mvo> glatzor: you can have the entire weekend not just some hours :)
[13:07] <xclaesse> they looks nice, except for the offline which IMO looks like I can "close" the widget
[13:20] <seb128> xclaesse, ubuntu icon theme
[13:20] <seb128> larsu, mpt: ^ feedback on the new icons
[13:21] <afernandez> seb128, do you need my help in anything else? I would be out for some hours so...
[13:21] <seb128> afernandez, no, thanks for the response, I will wait for Sweetshark to be back and we will try land that libreoffice update today
[13:21] <afernandez> seb128, I would be available through mail anyway.
[13:22] <seb128> afernandez, ok, thanks
[13:23] <afernandez> seb128, good luck! ;)
[13:23] <afernandez> bye!
[13:23] <seb128> bye!
[13:44] <ritz> seb128, hi , wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1027086 . I need propose this for precise. Do I talk with fedsed ( assuming he is the vino project maintainer ) ?
[13:44] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1027086 in vino "dconf-editor not edit authentication-metnods in vino server" [Low,Confirmed]
[13:44] <ritz> thanks :)
[13:47] <seb128> ritz, hey
[13:48] <seb128> ritz, for precise just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug
[13:51] <ritz> hmmm
[13:51] <seb128> ritz, is that a dconf-editor bug only?
[13:51] <ritz> this is a bug with vino
[13:51] <ritz> trivial fix
[13:51] <ritz> posted the patch to upstream
[13:51] <seb128> just saw the patch
[13:51] <seb128> ok
[13:52] <ritz> how do I know, when to add ubuntu-sponsors and when to ping people such as Sw33tshark ( for libreoffice issue )
[13:52] <ritz> seb128, ^^^
[13:53] <seb128> ritz, always subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, then you can ping people as well
[13:53] <seb128> but sponsors should pick it without need of any ping
[13:54] <ritz> hmmm
[13:54] <ritz> thanks :)
[13:57] <sabdfl> hi folks
[13:57] <sabdfl> is libreoffice crashy for anybody else today?
[13:58] <sabdfl> on quantal
[13:58] <seb128> sabdfl, hey, like segfault or like being slow? do you have an apport bug or stdout error?
[13:59] <sabdfl> some sort of infinite loop, doesn't crash alas
[13:59] <sabdfl> just goes unresponsive
[14:00] <sabdfl> graaaaay
[14:00] <pitti> dupondje, davmor2: aaah! I know when the crash happens -- it is when there is no ~/.ssh/ config
[14:00] <pitti> that's why I don't see it in the automatic tests either
[14:00] <xnox> sabdfl: i have been seeing that with "tricky" documents. E.g. embedded ODF objects.
[14:01] <xnox> no good crash signature though =(
[14:02] <davmor2> pitti: Yeap that would do it
[14:03] <seb128> Sweetshark, there? did you see anything like the sabdfl is describing?
[14:03] <seb128> sabdfl, does it do it every time? is that specific to a document?
[14:59] <Sweetshark> sabdfl, seb128
[15:00] <Sweetshark> sabdfl, seb128: well, there are quite a few crashes for LibreOffice, so I would need a test doc or reproduction scenario for that.
[15:00] <sabdfl> Sweetshark, this is more bizarre than that
[15:00] <sabdfl> turn it on
[15:00] <sabdfl> leave it for a while
[15:00] <sabdfl> come back and it's gray
[15:00] <sabdfl> spinning
[15:01] <seb128> I wonder if that's the appmenu stuff, though it should create cpu load for unity, not block libreoffice I think
[15:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ right?
[15:01] <Sweetshark> sabdfl: do you see unity-panel-service eating a lot of CPU?
[15:02] <Sweetshark> seb128: it might also greyout LibreOffice -- dbus is the bottleneck and it hurts both sides  ...
[15:02] <seb128> Sweetshark, so, what's the status of that updated version? can we land it?
[15:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will drop a version on chinstrap for quantal-propose in the next half our and do an upload to the ppa.
[15:04] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:04] <Sweetshark> sabdfl, seb128: a safe way to find out if it is the appmenu stuff is to uninstall libreoffice-gtk. That gives you a stable but ugly LibreOffice if it is the appmenu stuff.
[15:18] <mvo> woah, unity is a test vm is no fun in quantal :/
[15:19] <mvo> I guess llvm-pipe is to blame?
[15:19] <popey> mvo, using virtualbox?
[15:19] <mvo> kvm
[15:19] <popey> ah
[15:19] <Sweetshark> mvo: there is a workaround for that (dunno if there is a app for it too)
[15:19] <mvo> oh?
[15:20] <xnox> mvo: use vmvga graphics card/driver instead of cirrus
[15:20] <popey> does kvm do video passthrough yet?
[15:20] <mvo> xnox: let me try that
[15:20] <mvo> popey: i don't know
[15:20] <xnox> popey: are you trying to make me cry again?! /me develops / tests ubiquity in a VM all day long for the past couple of weeks
[15:20] <Sweetshark> mvo: bug 1021104 might help you
[15:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1021104 in compiz "Severe damage artefacts and flickering when using LLVMpipe" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021104
[15:21] <xnox> Sweetshark: was fixed ~ last weekend?
[15:21] <xnox> as in images
[15:21] <Sweetshark> xnox: well, I didnt notice as the workaround helped for me.
[15:22] <mvo> xnox: pardon my ignorance, but -vga vmvga complains
[15:22] <xnox> complains about what?
[15:23] <xnox> works for me here, but I do use virt-manager+kvm instead of kvm command-line
[15:23] <xnox> mvo: -vga vm
[15:23] <xnox> ?
[15:23] <mvo> xnox: aha, ok. so probably just a different name on the commandline, I try "-vga vmware" now :)
[15:24] <mvo> xnox: I guess I should start getting over my old habit of starting it manually and just use virt-manager
[15:25] <xnox> mvo: you can use virsh if you preffer comand line =)
[15:26] <mvo> :)
[15:29] <Sweetshark> seb128: uploading to chinstrap ...
[15:29] <seb128> desrt, ^
[15:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:29] <desrt> score
[15:31] <Sweetshark> desrt: huh?
[15:31] <desrt> 'score'.  it's an expression of happy approval
[15:32] <desrt> slightly congratulatory
[15:33] <xnox> in some English dialects 'win' is also a common exclamation with similar meaning
[15:35] <Sweetshark> desrt: ah, thanks. ;) I was thinking in a more compatitive context along the lines of "who uploads first", in which case "Im uploading libreoffice" would mean: Other people can upload their package 10 times and still finish earlier.
[15:36] <seb128> desrt, want another "score"?
[15:36] <Sweetshark> seb128: upload (~550MB) finished.
[15:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, excellent, thanks
[15:37] <Sweetshark> desrt: btw, thank you so much for helping out with the libreoffice unity stuff.
[15:39] <desrt> seb128: what score?
[15:39] <seb128> desrt, <seb128> slangasek, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, before beta1?
 seb128: trying to get the uploads done today
[15:39] <desrt> score!
[15:39] <desrt> :D
[15:39] <seb128> ;-)
[15:40] <seb128> desrt, I've nothing to change in d-conf build time right? it will pick the variable if available,
[15:40] <seb128> ?
[15:40] <desrt> correct
[15:40] <desrt> the code is actually in glib
[15:42] <Sweetshark> its so much more motivating when desrt announces "score!". Can we wire you on launchpad to announce launchpad karma values? best in a medieval herald dress??
[15:45] <dupondje> Hi guys, somebody around that could help me fix an issue in Remmina? When going into fullscreen mode in remmina, the fullscreen opens on my second screen
[15:45] <dupondje> The code just calls gtk_window_fullscreen(GTK_WINDOW(window));
[15:45] <dupondje> This is something in compiz or ?
[15:45] <seb128> likely yes
[15:46] <dupondje> seb128: nothing in remmina itself that could cause the issue?
[15:46] <nessita> hello everyone! Would anyone please remind me who's the best person to ping about a unity-3d issue these days?
[15:47] <seb128> dupondje, if it's only calling that gtk function probably not
[15:47] <seb128> nessita, hey
[15:47] <desrt> seb128: so how long until i have a .deb i can install?
[15:47] <seb128> nessita, #ubuntu-unity
[15:48] <nessita> seb128: right, I keep forgetting :-) Thanks!!!
[15:48] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ do you have debs for the libreoffice update?
[15:48] <dupondje> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1178051/ this is the code that it calls :)
[15:48] <sabdfl> Sweetshark, yes, it could be the menu, since that crashed on me earlier
[15:51] <Sweetshark> desrt, seb128: not yet, still building locally.
[15:52] <Sweetshark> sabdfl: then I would assume it to be guilty in this case too -- at least I do not know of another major bug fitting that description currently.
[15:54] <desrt> is it not possible to have the menu integration code handled separately?
[15:54] <desrt> instead of doing a massive full libreoffice rebuild/reupload every time?
[15:55] <sabdfl> that would be preferable, yes :)
[15:57] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^
[15:58] <Sweetshark> desrt, sabdfl: not in the current form. It changes stuff in at least two libs and the libreoffice build is pretty (both upstream and our packaging) monolithic.
[16:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, did you forget to copy libreoffice_3.6.1~rc2-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz ?
[16:02] <Sweetshark> upstream will be pretty much migrated to the new build system (gbuild), that one would allow to build libreoffice from multiple source packages, if one cleans up the installation scripting (which isnt trivial - because of other platforms e.g. windows, requiring a lot of mess there)..
[16:02] <Sweetshark> seb128: *cough* *cough* no, please look again
[16:03] <seb128> Sweetshark, right, I see it in the corner :p
[16:03] <desrt> if i come back in an hour will i be able to install the new thing?
[16:03] <desrt> also: where can i look at their source?
[16:04] <Sweetshark> desrt: do you want to install from a ppa, or is a simple binary deb good enough?
[16:04] <desrt> prefer ppa, i guess?
[16:04] <xnox> Sweetshark: does the knew one support parallel build? I know haggai was maintaining parallel building patches for openoffice back in the day...
[16:04] <desrt> Sweetshark: i have a theory about what the problem may be....
[16:05] <Sweetshark> desrt: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/feature/unitymenus <- I am generating a vendor patch in debian/patches from that branch.
[16:05] <desrt> thanks
[16:05] <desrt> what is the path?
[16:06] <desrt> found it
[16:06] <Sweetshark> desrt: debian/patches/unitymenus.diff
[16:07] <Sweetshark> xnox: parallel building? like in using multiple cores?
[16:08] <desrt> oh wow....
[16:08] <xnox> Sweetshark: yes. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=16
[16:08] <xnox> usually means $ make -j16, but in OpenOffice it was very special build hackery to enable that.
[16:08] <xnox> Sweetshark: I hope the new one supports that.
[16:09] <xnox> Sweetshark: or is it all pretty in Libreoffice? (Sun was opposed to those patches)
[16:10] <Sweetshark> xnox: yes, that was one of the reasons for the new build system (of which I was the original author back at Sun/Oracle btw).
[16:10] <xnox> Sweetshark: oh =)
[16:10] <xnox> ok. well it will be all dandy than it's all fine then =)
[16:13] <Sweetshark> xnox: the new build system is plain GNU make, and none of this perl/dmake nonsense. and yes, you can do stuff like: make -j 100 -l32, if you have the monster machine for that ..
[16:14] <xnox> =))))) \0/
[16:14] <xnox> cool =)
[16:17] <Sweetshark> xnox: the only remaining cruft is this scp2 stuff that makes an installation out of the stuff that is build: it an ugly perl plus m4 ugliness. Once it is gone, one could build libreoffice in multiple small source packages and update them individually.
[16:20] <Sweetshark> however, if you touch that you will have to take care to handle all the custom code for packaging msis on windows and dmgs on OSX, which is a whole lot of fun. but since we now have https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/ and good progress is made on getting our armada of tinderboxes http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html to be integrated in it, that should soon be something that can be attacked.
[16:21] <Sweetshark> xnox: see http://ostrovsky.org/how-gerrit-fits-in-libreoffice-ci-infrastructure/
[16:21] <xnox> the world has changed
[16:22] <Sweetshark> desrt: wow?
[16:40] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[16:43] <mterry> davidcalle, hey man.  Sorry this photos lens is having problems getting in.  :-/  I'm asking in #ubuntu-release right now, to try to get a sense of which way they'd prefer us to go
[16:46] <davidcalle> mterry, hey, thank you for taking care of it!
[16:48] <Laney> Sweetshark: you have a conflict marker in the changelog for LO
[16:48] <Laney> also, do you think you'd be able to run wrap-and-sort over it?
[16:48] <Laney> it would make the diffs easier to read
[16:58] <Laney> accepting anyway; would appreciate it if you could fix for next time
[16:58] <Laney> seb128: ^ fyi
[16:59] <seb128> Laney, noted, thanks
[17:00] <Laney> hm, timed out
[17:02] <mterry> davidcalle, fyi Laney said option #1 would be fine.  So I'm going to look into the oauthlib stuff
[17:16] <davidcalle> mterry, ok, I'm looking into what needs to be changed for the switch from oauth2 API to oauthlib.
[17:30] <Sweetshark> Laney: already fixed, thanks for the hint. I was in an emergency discussion elsewhere, sorry.
[18:01] <bryceh> pitti, if you're still about, I've posted a couple proposals to the technical-board mailing list and are awaiting moderation.  If you could approve them it might give the TB a bit extra time to consider them.
[19:32] <seb128> Sweetshark, still there?
[21:06] <davmor2> hey guys I don't see gwibber, email or ubuntuone in the messaging menu on a fresh install should I?
[21:08] <jbicha> I did a clean install Tuesday & confirm I don't see gwibber or email
[21:10] <jbicha> I believe ubuntuone should show in indicator-sync but that's not landed by default yet
[21:10] <seb128> nothing should show until started
[21:10] <seb128> the apps register on first run
[21:11] <seb128> the integrated apps atm are gwibber, xchat(-gnome), thunderbird
[21:11] <seb128> u1 will be in the sync indicator yes
[21:14] <davmor2> seb128: thanks for that I'm assuming it's to help keep the menu cleaner with the introduction of web apps :)
[21:38] <fginther> seb128, Greetings.  Earlier this week I mentioned that I have an update nux and unity for precise which use the new libgeis package (renamed from libutouch-geis). geis is now in precise-proposed.
[21:39] <seb128> fginther, hey, great
[21:39] <fginther> seb128, I have MPs for the packaging branches and source branches, what should I do first?
[21:39] <fginther> seb128, if anything...
[21:41] <seb128> fginther, wait for a time where everybody is not crazy busy trying to land #ps work for beta1 would be step 1 :p
[21:41] <fginther> that's what I though :-)
[21:41] <seb128> fginther, just put the merge requests up, they should show up on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ and somebody will pick them when we can
[21:42] <fginther> seb128, thanks!
[21:42] <seb128> yw!
[21:42] <seb128> try pinging didrocks end of next week if nothing moved
[21:42] <fginther> seb128, will do
[21:42] <seb128> he will be back from holidays and with beta1 freeze we should have a bit of time for precise
[21:56] <Danawar> Hey ubuntu desktop i have a core I7 i use htop and it only shows 4 cores yet when i run htop on my other i7 i get 8 cores, the only difference is the one that only shows 4 cores is running ubuntu 64
[21:57] <jbicha> hmm, trying to figure out why my gnomebuntu live iso is falling back to gnome-classic (which wants compiz which wants unity) instead of gnome-fallback like it's supposed to
[22:18]  * jbicha blames ubiquity
[23:05] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: pong
[23:05] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, hey, your libreoffice upload failed to build
[23:06] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: yes, and the fun think is the same thing build in my local quantal pbuilder and on debian.
[23:06] <Sweetsha1k> s/think/thing/
[23:07] <Sweetsha1k> yay for our buildds
[23:07] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: do you have a buildd log link?
[23:07] <seb128> Sweetsha1k,
[23:07] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114143516/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.libreoffice_1%3A3.6.1~rc2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:07] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, it built on i386 meanwhile
[23:08] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, "cat: debian/libreoffice-l10n-ca-XV.dirs: No such file or directory" ... it's weird
[23:08] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, are those debian files dynamically generated?
[23:11] <Sweetsha1k> yes, in a way they are (depending on how many locales you build).
[23:11] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, we had a langpack update today, could that have broken it?
[23:12] <seb128> though it's weird it would have broken it on amd64 and not i386
[23:12] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, could it be that it build on arch when the arch all binaries are not built?
[23:12] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, I guess your local builds always build those?
[23:15] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: I bet this is caused by the binary-arch vs. binary-indep split done by debian. The tricky part is for the prebundled extensions you even need the all the locales even on binary-arch, not binary-indep so things dont mess up.
[23:16] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: this even did build in the ppa buildd ffs ...
[23:16] <seb128> :-(
[23:17] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: so our "release builders" have the nasty habit of doing something just a tiny bit different.
[23:17] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, do you have any idea what went wrong there?
[23:18] <Sweetsha1k> Im getting flashbacks to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/873702 which also _only showed up with the release buildds, but not with local ppas, not on debian and not on local pbuilders.
[23:18] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 873702 in libreoffice "some function names in Calc appear in english others in local language (mixed up) " [High,Fix committed]
[23:20] <micahg> Sweetsha1k: do you test without arch all builds on amd64 (debuild -B)?
[23:20] <micahg> (technically dpkg-buildpackage -B)
[23:21] <Sweetsha1k> micahg: dont ppas do arch all builds on amd64?
[23:21] <micahg> Sweetsha1k: no
[23:22] <micahg> arch: all are built with i386 on i386
[23:22]  * Sweetsha1k goes to vimdiff the ppa vs. the release builds.
[23:22] <Sweetsha1k> (logs that is)
[23:23] <Laney> diffing the sources might be more instructive
[23:24] <Laney> I'm not aware of any differences in arch/indep building
[23:24] <Sweetsha1k> micahg: so yeah, if amd64 does _not_ build arch all in ppa it should be the same as release buildds and run in the same trouble.
[23:24] <Laney> and yeah, perhaps we shouldn't be doing changes like this post-FF
[23:25] <seb128> we shouldn't no
[23:25] <Sweetsha1k> Laney: there is no diff in the source. There definitively is something different with the release builders. It was the same with bug 873702.
[23:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 873702 in libreoffice "some function names in Calc appear in english others in local language (mixed up) " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873702
[23:26] <Sweetsha1k> I even did the same upload there to -proposed and ppa and it was fine in the ppa and wrong in the release build.
[23:28] <Sweetsha1k> Laney: and yes, I wouldnt have done this, if this wasnt a/ a change merged from debian b/ build and release successfully on debian c/ and fixing a bug.
[23:30] <Laney> I suggest we all go to bed and look at this tomorrow ;-)
[23:30] <Laney> night
[23:30] <Sweetsha1k> d/ successfully build in ppa builds (which should not build all archs on amd64, right?)  e/ successfully build on local pbuilders
[23:31] <Sweetsha1k> Laney: not an option for me. Im on vacation tommorrow.
[23:36] <Sweetsha1k> ok, there is one intended difference between the ppa build and the release build: the release build has more l10n than the ppa build as our stupid ppas are too small to handle a full libreoffice build.
[23:38] <micahg> Sweetsha1k: that's where the issue is, this new merge stopped building l10n on buildds
[23:38] <micahg> oh, wait, no
[23:38] <micahg> that change was Debian only
[23:39] <Sweetsha1k> *sigh* and that stupid specialcased valencian locale in among those. So the workaround the limitation of our too small ppas shadowed that issue.
[23:40] <micahg> meh, can't do this now, have to go, if no one's solved it, I might take another peek over teh weekend
[23:41] <Sweetsha1k> micahg: I will dump a fix still tonight.
[23:42] <Sweetsha1k> I wonder why this works on debian though -- it shouldnt,