[14:57]  * skaet waves
[14:57] <popey> o/
[14:57] <brendand> o/
[14:57] <scott-work> O/
[14:57] <skaet> :)
[14:58] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:58] <seb128> hey
[14:58] <gilir> o/
[14:58] <arosales> hello
[14:59]  * Riddell not really here, ill in bed
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[14:59]  * stgraber hopes the wifi will be kind of stable for the next hour...
[15:00]  * highvoltage *bzzzt*
[15:00] <skaet> hello all.  :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <skaet> Weekly Release Agenda (and minute location):
[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-08-31
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.10
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/09/06: 12.10 Beta 1
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/08/31 -  3025 (was 3011  (last  week):   We are behind the trendline for some of the projects.
[15:01] <skaet> We’ve now gone into Feature Freeze, so getting us back on track would be appreciated.  If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:01] <skaet> Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:01] <skaet> Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Weekly status:
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001836.html - desktop - seb128
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001837.html - server - arosales
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001839.html - edubuntu - stgraber
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001840.html - kernel - ogasawara
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001841.html - security - jdstrand
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001843.html - linaro - fabo
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001846.html - xubuntu - knome
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001849.html - foundations - ogra_ / slangasek
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001850.html - Ubuntu Studio - ScottL
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001854.html - Unity - popey
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001858.html - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:02] <skaet> ?? - community - balloons
[15:02] <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
[15:02] <skaet> I’m on a rather problematic network right now, so if I drop off during the meeting,  slangasek has kindly agreed to take over the hosting.  I’ll rejoin as soon as I can.
[15:02] <skaet> any one have some questions ('o/') ready to start asking?
[15:03] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001859.html - community - balloons
[15:03] <skaet> thanks popey  :)
[15:04] <seb128> o/ (not question but I want to do a status update from desktop at some point, I guess that's on list of topic for some others as well though)
[15:05] <skaet> seb128,  go ahead I've got some specific questions, but lets see if your update addresses them ;)
[15:05] <gema> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001831.html - QA - gema
[15:05] <seb128> ok
[15:05] <seb128> so we are verrrrrry late for unity (sorry again)
[15:05] <seb128> but we just got the stack fully acked as approved and flagged green for release
[15:05] <seb128> that includes compiz,nux,bamf,unity
[15:06] <seb128> with compiz GLES (give us arm desktop back on the panda) and unity coverflow,preview,webapp
[15:06] <seb128> so we would like to get the green line to land that today
[15:06] <seb128> some of us will be watching for any potential issue tonight and tomorrow
[15:06] <seb128>  
[15:06] <seb128> that's the main topic
[15:06] <seb128> otherwise we would still like to land
[15:06] <seb128> - a libreoffice update to fix appmenu using 100% unity cpu madness (ready in the next hour for upload)
[15:07] <seb128> - a small bug fix version for indicator-messages
[15:07] <seb128>  
[15:07] <seb128> and I think that's it for desktop
[15:07] <seb128> ..
[15:07] <brendand> skaet, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001830.html - hardware certification - brendand
[15:07] <stgraber> as I said yesterday in #ubuntu-release, I'm personally ok (though far from happy) to have it land by EOD today (for unity/compiz/...). That's as long as we have someone from the unity team and desktop team around to fix/revert anything that breaks over the weekend
[15:07] <skaet> thanks seb128
[15:08] <skaet> sorry brendand, gema - my cut paste had error in it, meant to paste your report links.
[15:08] <gema> skaet: no prob
[15:08] <skaet> (and thanks for pasting them)
[15:08] <brendand> skaet, np
[15:08] <seb128> stgraber, status is that we have things ready now so that will make end of day target, and we have people from #ps and desktop who agreed to watch out
[15:08] <skaet> seb128, popey - will this next drop address: There are 2 bugs that IMO are important and haven't seen on other reports:
[15:08] <skaet> * Bug:1042211 - [quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop
[15:08] <skaet> and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)
[15:08] <skaet> * Bug:1005677 - Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **:
[15:08] <skaet> IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"
[15:09] <popey> bug
[15:09] <popey> bug 1042211
[15:09] <seb128> skaet, no
[15:09] <seb128> first one is mesa
[15:09] <popey> bug 1005677
[15:09] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ do you know what's the status for that and beta1?
[15:09] <gema> skaet and also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1044299
[15:09] <popey> (for the lazy)
[15:09] <seb128>  
[15:09] <seb128> the second one is overlay-scrollbar and qt
[15:09] <seb128> need to chase Cimi on that again
[15:10] <seb128> but it's out of the unity stack for both
[15:10] <stgraber> seb128: good. I guess the unity stack needs to go through -proposed to avoid skews? if so, please poke me once it's there so I can make sure it builds ASAP. Would be a pain to get stuck waiting for powerpc/arm.
[15:10] <skaet> seb128,  understood - we'll need to make sure that they're both well documented in the technical overview notes then.
[15:11] <seb128> stgraber, yes, through proposed
[15:11] <seb128> skaet, I'm chasing people, will get you a status update before eod and try to see if we can still fix today
[15:11] <skaet> Thanks seb128
[15:12] <skaet> please nick highlight to Laney, stgraber, cjwatson and myself in #ubuntu-release
[15:12] <seb128> ok
[15:12] <skaet> we'll start of the release tracking pad, and the technical overview for beta1 later today.
[15:13] <skaet> I'll post in #ubuntu-release when they're ready for input.
[15:13] <skaet> seb128,  did you see comments on llvmpipe in edubuntu’s report on implications of llvmpipe on LSTP,  any chance we can get it landing for beta1?
[15:14] <seb128> let me look
[15:14] <ScottK> o/
[15:15] <seb128> I saw that jdstrand and others said that the recent updates make things usuable on vms
[15:15] <seb128> ok, read that
[15:16] <seb128> yeah, there is  plan to degrade effects to improve performance
[15:16] <seb128> is there a bug open about the "doesn't work on 16 bits"?
[15:16] <skaet> stgraber, ^ ?
[15:16] <stgraber> I didn't file one, I'll check if there's one and if not, I'll file one
[15:16] <seb128> I will make sure those are tracked, but that will not be for beta1 at this point
[15:16] <seb128> stgraber, thanks
[15:16] <stgraber> seb128: either way, I'll give you the bug number
[15:17] <seb128> re "so something needs to happen there..." ... well many topic are in that situation
[15:17] <skaet> thanks stgraber, seb128
[15:17] <skaet> ..
[15:17] <seb128> we will need to make (hard) calls
[15:17] <seb128> and those calls might be to tell those people to use the LTS
[15:17] <seb128> ..
[15:18] <skaet> seb128, ack.
[15:18] <skaet> slangasek, did you have any update on the bug that gema highlighted earlier?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1044299
[15:19] <slangasek> skaet: no, haven't seen this bug until now
[15:19] <slangasek> it doesn't appear that anyone has set the 'rls-q-incoming' tag on it, btw
[15:20] <gema> slangasek: I will update it
[15:20] <slangasek> well, no need now... I'll just move it straight to our 'accepted' queue ;)
[15:20] <gema> slangasek: ack, sorry
[15:20] <slangasek> anyway, I'll make sure xnox is working on it
[15:20] <slangasek> has anyone else reproduced this bug?
[15:21] <gema> jibel reported it to me, I will ask him
[15:21] <slangasek> (I'm wondering whether it's genuinely critical, or if it's a corner case)
[15:21] <skaet> yeah,  just a reminder to everyone - please put 'rls-q-incoming' tag on any bug you think is going to be a  problem for the release.
[15:22] <jibel> slangasek, I did, install a desktop image and keep the defaults, it crashes on partman
[15:22] <slangasek> ah
[15:22] <slangasek> then it's definitely xnox's ;)
[15:22] <slangasek> we'll get it sorted
[15:22] <gema> slangasek: thanks!
[15:22] <skaet> thanks slangasek, gema, jibel.
[15:23] <skaet> ..?
[15:23] <gema> ..
[15:23] <skaet> go ScottK
[15:23] <ScottK> As Riddell  mentioned, he's sick, so no input email from Kubuntu this week.  KDE telepathy 0.5 landed kind of hard this week, but we should have it sorted and all images buildable later today.  KDE SC 4.9.1 is released next Wednesday, so we'll anticipate uploading that shortly after Beta 1.
[15:23] <ScottK> ..
[15:23] <xnox> slangasek: fix committed locally, now testing.
[15:23] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks for the update
[15:24] <slangasek> xnox: thanks :)
[15:24] <skaet> ..
[15:24]  * skaet looks for any other hands before going on to other questions...
[15:25] <skaet> gema,  any concerns about desktop arm testing for next week?
[15:25] <gema> skaet: we haven't done any arm testing that I am aware of, hggdh will do on monday
[15:25] <gema> skaet: ogra_ may have something to report, though
[15:25] <skaet> gema, ok, so he and plars are contacts.
[15:25] <seb128> (not that you could test arm, unity didn't land)
[15:25] <gema> skaet: yes, and psivaa
[15:26] <gema> skaet: we are going to have more people than ever before testing, please bear with us while we adjust
[15:26] <skaet> seb128,  was assuming it was going to land today, and based on ogra_'s comments in his report.
[15:26] <gema> skaet: I will be on holidays so if you need a point of contact use either psivaa or plars , given timezones
[15:26] <seb128> skaet, yeah, that's the plan, I was replying to the "<gema> skaet: we haven't done any arm testing"
[15:27] <seb128> skaet, monday sounds good
[15:27] <gema> seb128: ack
[15:27] <skaet> gema, seb128 thanks.
[15:27] <skaet> ..
[15:28] <skaet> slangasek, do you know if the Google OnAir session on how to use your panda board has been scheduled?
[15:28] <slangasek> it has not
[15:29] <skaet> any chance we can get it for early next week?
[15:29] <seb128> o/
[15:29] <slangasek> skaet: with ogra out today and me out for the US holiday on Monday, probably not
[15:29] <slangasek> I'm looking at Thursday
[15:29] <slangasek> (yeah, it's beta day... that means everything should be calm and people have time to watch videos, right? ;)
[15:30] <skaet> heh,  I was thinking of getting more testers ramped up earlier actually ;)
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: dual screen: one for videos the other one for image testing ;-)
[15:30] <slangasek> skaet: unlikely, sorry
[15:34]  * skaet_ wonders if seb128 saw the go comment, and responded while she got disconnected.
[15:34] <seb128> skaet_, no I didn't
 skaet: unlikely, sorry
[15:35] <seb128>  skaet a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[15:35] <seb128>  
[15:35] <seb128> that all I saw
[15:35] <skaet_> thanks.
[15:35] <seb128> I had quick q
[15:35] <skaet_> go seb128
[15:35] <seb128> slangasek, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, before beta1?
[15:35] <slangasek> seb128: trying to get the uploads done today
[15:35] <seb128> \o/
[15:35] <seb128> slangasek, thanks
[15:35] <seb128> ..
[15:35] <slangasek> whether the release team want to accept it is another matter :)
[15:36] <skaet_> :)
[15:37]  * skaet_ figures its likely, but depends on what it actually end up being.
[15:37] <skaet_> ..
[15:37] <skaet_> ?
[15:38] <skaet_> knome,   Ubuntu studio, Xubuntu, Lubuntu - waiting for indicator-application-gtk2 to be updated to fix build failures.  what is plan here,  will land before monday?  dependencies on other teams to make it?
[15:38] <skaet_> or astraljava^ or ...?
[15:39] <seb128> so about that it's part of those binaries that stopped being built from source by Ubuntu
[15:39] <seb128> so it's one of those "need to bring back and old source as -gtk2 to universe"
[15:39] <slangasek> why is that preferable over re-enabling the binary build in the existing source?  Is it because the code has been dropped?
[15:40] <seb128> gtk2 support has been dropped
[15:40] <slangasek> ok
[15:40] <seb128> they said they would get ride of all their ton of ifdefs and legacy code after the LTS
[15:40] <slangasek> so definitely needs to be a separate source package, which someone who needs it can resurrect from the archive without too much difficulty
[15:40] <seb128> right
[15:41] <seb128> just take the precise version, drop the gtk3 binary and put it under a different source name
[15:41] <Laney> in the meantime all affected flavours have dropped it from their seeds
[15:41] <seb128> the protocol didn't change
[15:41] <seb128> ..
[15:41] <slangasek> Laney: they've preferred this over picking up the old code branch?
[15:41] <skaet_> knome, astraljava, scott-work, gilir ^ who is taking point on getting this done.  wasn't clear from status emails.
[15:42] <gilir> indicator-applications is the easiest one, as it's not using any gtk3 specific code
[15:42] <Laney> slangasek: no, it's just an interim solution
[15:42] <slangasek> ok
[15:42] <Laney> someone (sorry, I forgot who) told me they were working on bringing it back
[15:42] <gilir> skaet_, xubuntu dev is working on indicator-application re-upload
[15:43] <gilir> do we need FFe for this ?
[15:43] <gilir> just to know what paperwork we need to bring this back
[15:43] <slangasek> I wouldn't think so
[15:43] <gilir> ..
[15:43] <skaet_> gilir,  having a bug for tracking this though,  would be good.
[15:44] <skaet_> (not a FFe, but rather making sure we all know who's working on it, etc.)
[15:44] <skaet_> ..
[15:44]  * skaet_ looks around to see if other questions?
[15:45] <scott-work> none from me
[15:47] <Daviey> can we go home?
[15:47] <skaet_> yup.  :)
[15:47] <skaet_> #endmeeting
[15:47] <popey> \o/
[15:47] <popey> thanks
[15:47] <xnox> thanks all.
[15:47] <balloons> lol
[15:47] <Laney> THE BOT DISAGREES
[15:47] <skaet_> Thanks popey, brendan, scott-work, smartboyhw, seb128, gilir, arosales, slangasek, gilir, Laney, xnox, jibel, gema, ScottK.
[15:47] <scott-work> bye
[15:47] <slangasek> thanks all
[15:47] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 31 15:47:51 2012 UTC.
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[15:48] <balloons> slangasek, did we decide for sure to drop the alt cd?
[15:48] <arosales> Thanks skaet for chairing
[15:48] <seb128> skaet, thanks
[15:48] <skaet> balloons,  yes, per discussion in #ubuntu-release channel
[15:48] <skaet> yesterday was asked about.
[15:48] <balloons> I figured as much, I just hadn't seen a mailing announcing it as such
[15:48] <skaet> slangasek,  can you send a clarifying email out to close off the thread?
[15:49] <balloons> perfect, ty :-)
[15:49] <slangasek> skaet: yeah, can do
[15:50] <slangasek> balloons: btw, you said "negative feedback" - which are you referring to?
[15:50] <skaet> thanks slanagasek
[15:50] <balloons> slangasek, let's move to #ubuntu-release