=== henrix is now known as henrix_ [00:18] skaet: uploaded ltsp with the required fixes [00:18] it's going to be horribly slow though as llvmpipe over network is a nightmare [00:18] trying in VMs locally (so supposedly pretty fast), I have almost a second latency and all the fading is horribly slow [00:18] but at least you get a "working" session [00:22] Laney: yeah, it's a new meta to drop the indicators and their settings and look packages [00:26] ^- beta-critical bug fix; requires debian-installer upload after its binaries have published [00:29] can someone review ltsp too, it's beta critical [00:29] I'll take biosdevname [00:34] accepted [00:36] also accepted livecd-rootfs. Does that one still need manual deployment on the buildds? can't remember if it auto-updates or not [00:40] slangasek: if you have a minute, can you review LTSP? I believe infinity is at some meeting at the moment so can't poke him to do it ;) [00:41] stgraber: It auto-upgrades. [00:42] oh, looks like infinity's back! if you have a sec, can you look at ltsp? [00:47] ltsp looks fine to me [00:48] though it'd be nice to update the comment along with the X_COLOR_DEPTH setting - but it's temporary so hopefully this won't matter for long [00:48] accepted [05:06] can someone please review the 3 ubuntu studio packages here ^^^ [07:17] ^ only fixes a dependency, and adds/fixes autopkgtests, so I'd appreciate if it could be accepted === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson === henrix_ is now known as henrix [08:30] FYI, dpm prepared quantal langpacks, uploading now and waving throug queue [09:03] hiyas good people, a question on the updating of respins [09:10] hm, why does queuebot say that gvfs and gtkmm have been accepted, while they are still in unapproved? [09:11] is it getting confused because of the langpack uploads/accepts? [09:11] stgraber: ^ [09:12] ^ fixes two beta-milestoned major bugs; review appreciated! [09:22] Riddell: are you guys on top of the kde-telepathy stuff? [09:22] looks like it goes back to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-common-internals/0.5.0-0ubuntu1 [09:43] pitti: gvfs> killall is in psmisc - is that guaranteed to be installed in this context? (besides, pkill is a better habit to be in IMO, which requires procps) [09:44] cjwatson: it is installed on our jenkins test boxes, but I'll add it anyway, thanks for spotting (and change to pkill) === doko__ is now known as doko [09:54] oh, silly pkill/pgrep [09:54] I was wondering why pgrep gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor utterly fails [09:55] Name:gvfs-udisks2-vo [09:55] (in status) [09:55] * pitti adds -f === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [09:57] cjwatson: FYI, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/gvfs/quantal/revision/224 === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [12:24] knome: hey, looks like pidgin-libnotify is broken for now due to the indicator-messages transition, causing xubuntu to fail to build [12:26] Laney, can you drop that until we fix the indicators? thanks [12:26] it'll need a pidgin upload to drop it [12:26] can you test an upload just dropping the recommends? [12:27] i'm not a technical person, and i'm busy with real work now [12:27] if you can, ask micahg or mr_pouit for that [12:28] Laney, I plan to port pidgin-libnotify but probably not today [12:31] seb128: fair enough, so since it probably won't make beta i'll disable it for now [12:32] yeah, I agree [12:45] skaet: hey! when do you want to disable crontab and start pushing to the b1 milestone on the tracker? [12:50] Laney, current plan is for Monday to disable the crontab [12:50] I think we can enable the milestone though today. [12:51] Will see if there's any new data that changes that after the meeting later today. [12:51] well, they won't really be candidate builds as long as cron is on [12:51] Laney, we're still missing some bits to land before any images can be considered candidates. [12:52] what has cron to do with the content of the image ? [12:52] it means that the builds will be overwritten [12:52] ogra_, more a comment on the contents of candidates [12:53] sure, but people should upload to proposed anyway [12:53] won't have true candidates until then. However gathering testing data over the weekend is useful to see if there are some "surprises" lurking. [12:53] s/then/all the missing bits land [12:53] * ogra_ still waits for a "compiz surprise" on arm :) [12:54] I know we have an upload that needs to happen for Kubuntu to fix KDE telepathy FTBFS. [12:54] Should be done today though. [12:54] ah, good, I pinged Riddell about that earlier [12:55] shadeslayer is going to fix it. [12:55] ^ is needed for xubuntu, please have a look [12:58] yep [12:59] Laney, lets talk about the crontab disable/milestone enable after we get the data from the weekly meeting. [13:03] ok === henrix is now known as henrix_ [13:04] skaet: Let's not keep moving stuff earlier. === henrix_ is now known as henrix [13:07] ScottK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaProcess Release minus 6 day tasks [13:11] skaet: Stopping the cronned image builds is release -3, i.e. Monday. [13:12] that's what we are currently saying [13:12] I was just checking and then confused because I thought that images posted to the milestone were supposed to be 'genuine candidates' (at least not /guaranteed/ to not be candidates due to cron still being on) [13:12] but if I'm mistaken then ho hum. [13:36] skaet, FYI, i'll not be around for the meeting today, steve will cover for me [13:36] thanks ogra_ [13:36] * skaet appreciates knowing who to nick highlight ;) [13:46] ^ this makes autopkgtest actually report failed tests (*blush*), and fixes two race conditions in the tests [13:46] this only changes debian/tests/, nothing else, so I'd appreciate if it could be reviewed/accepted [14:13] hey all [14:14] i was wondering if we'll need a freeze exception to fix bug #974637 ? it's technically a regression, so just wondering if we need a UIFE for it, or just to notify i18n/docs teams that a change is coming [14:14] Launchpad bug 974637 in ubuntu-sso-client "Qt Registration and Log-in dialogs have no way to perform the other action" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974637 [14:16] dobey: if the strings change, then yes you'll need to notify the -translators list [14:16] we still don't have any docs for Ubuntu One or any of the sign-on part of USC [14:18] right; i know we'll have to notify either way. i just wanted to verify whether we needed the full FFe/UIFe process for it [14:43] dobey: All U/I changes need a U/IFe now, AIUI. [14:44] Would someone please respin Kubuntu i386/amd64 live. They should build now. [14:44] pitti: hmm, yeah, queuebot or the LP API get confused when all the langpacks land/are accepted [14:44] doing [14:48] ScottK: I don't see any upload that would have fixed it? [14:48] Laney: It was getting KDE telepathy out of binary new. [14:48] Thanks. [14:49] I see, hence the other arches still being broken [14:51] Yes. [14:52] We'll need another upload for that. [14:52] kubuntu-amd64 on kapok.buildd finished at 2012-08-31 14:52:15 (failed) [14:52] ScottK: "now" as in "we are past UI freeze" or "now" as in "the rules have changed since last cycle" ? [14:53] dobey: As in we're past UIF. [14:53] Laney: Thanks. My mail didn't have the log, so let me have a look. [14:56] Laney: I don't see the log: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/quantal/kubuntu/ [14:56] Can you point me at it or send it to me? [15:00] ScottK: They sync at :0 [15:00] OK. Thanks. [15:05] Right, so apparently that wasn't enough. Investigating. [15:06] i386 seems to be working [15:08] Yeah. [15:13] * ScottK shakes fist at shadeslayer [15:14] I don't see it. [15:14] i386 working is progress. [15:29] seb128: bug 1044436 (screenshot attached) [15:29] Launchpad bug 1044436 in unity "unity on llvmpipe is unusable when in 16bit mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044436 [15:30] stgraber, thanks === skaet_ is now known as skaet [15:50] balloons: ok [15:50] so we won't be releasing alternates with b1? [15:51] Laney: that's correct [15:51] or everything thereafter, I suppose [15:51] slangasek, just in general, there was anticipation that ubiquity wasn't going to meet needs.. folks claiming they could only get the alt installer to work, etc, etc [15:51] balloons: "anticipation that it won't meet the needs" is not useful technical feedback :) [15:51] we should make sure cron, pad, ... is updated then [15:51] urg... forgot to ask that [15:51] slangasek, I know, I was just pointing out people are hesitant to change (not surprising) [15:51] we genuinely want to know about any concrete problems that prevent the desktop CD from being usable [15:51] ScottK, is Kubuntu going forward with alternate or dropping them too? [15:52] balloons: Sounds like panicking.. mini.iso should be able to cover their needs IMO. [15:52] but yeah, vague concerns that it won't work are not going to change the calculation [15:52] skaet: Not sure the status of that. Riddell? We don't have the U/I work done in the installer to support everything, so I'm not sure. [15:52] ScottK, ok, we'll leave them in there for you for now. [15:53] slangasek, yes don't misunderstand. I wasn't attempting to change direction. I encouraged those that had issues to voice them on your thread [15:55] ScottK, skaet: I don't see us getting the UI work done in the installer this cycle, so presume to keep alternate [15:55] Riddell, ok. [15:55] ScottK: I didn't see any code/branches that bring in crypto/lvm support in the Qt frontend. And I'm not doing them (no time, nor post 3.5 Qt knoweledge) [15:55] balloons: yep, sorry, that comment is really addressed to those raising such concerns and I'm using you as a proxy ;) [15:56] Daviey, do we move i386 out of Depreceated? [15:56] ah ok =) [15:56] balloons: anyway, I'm confident based on the feedback on list that we're adequately covered with the other images [15:56] xnox: Yes. Known. [15:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest [15:56] also, any update on the netboot image? [15:56] ScottK: i'm a was out of sync reading backlog =) [15:56] OK [15:59] slangasek, :-). no worries. Can you summarize your suggested images for folks who's needs might be better addressed by the mini iso, etc now? [15:59] knome, I'm assuming you'll be keeping Xubuntu alternates this release as well, unless you indicate differently. [15:59] s/release/beta release/ [15:59] balloons: there's a bug open against ubuntu-release-notes that has the current recommendations [15:59] skaet: btw, is there supposed to be a quantal series for the ubuntu-release-notes project? [15:59] Riddell, are we trying for the Kubuntu Active images for beta 1? [15:59] AFAICS it's not there, but maybe I'm doing it wrong [16:00] * skaet goes to cross check it [16:00] skaet, bug report about indicator-applications-gtk2 is bug 1044442 [16:00] Launchpad bug 1044442 in ubuntu "Re-introduce indicator-applications-gtk2" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044442 [16:01] http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release is currently primed for 12.04.1... if we delete the alternate references, we'll need to add them back for 12.04.2, I guess? [16:01] would it be better to have two separate pads? [16:01] slangasek, rather just recreate it each release [16:01] rather than pointing folks to different places [16:02] maybe just copy off for now? [16:02] hmm, ok [16:02] and copy back [16:02] I don't want to be in charge of copying it back ;) [16:02] it is history saved. [16:02] I'll do it. [16:02] ok [16:02] let me finish looking at sorting out release notes, and then that will be next [16:03] skaet: thanks, don't let me rush you :) [16:03] :) [16:04] skaet: yes I'd like kubuntu active but it needs a bugfix to the session login I've not looked into yet, it'll still be a tech preview at best [16:06] slangasek, try again now to target to quantal, should be sorted now. [16:06] for ubuntu-release-notes [16:07] thanks gilir [16:08] skaet: works now, thanks :) [16:08] skaet, stgraber, Laney: ^ please ack libreoffice, the changelog doesn't list specific bugs but it's to address some of the appmenu implementation issues with the ff landing (like making unity eat 100% cpu for hours) [16:08] well, that's a new rc version (we aim at 3.6.1 for quantal) as well [16:09] but it includes the menus improvements and it would be really good to have those in beta1 [16:13] Laney, can you review? [16:13] ok [16:13] ev, have all updates for WUBI for 12.10 beta 1 been made? [16:14] please somebody look at pidgin-libnotify so that xubuntu can hopefully get some images [16:15] skaet: I don't think we do anything special for beta [16:18] skaet: yeah [16:19] ev, ok, thanks [16:21] Daviey, ok I'll move i386 back later. what about the netboot image? [16:21] skaet: netboot is still important [16:22] skaet, slangasek I filed bug 1044452, could someone knowledgeable look at it ? [16:22] Launchpad bug 1044452 in ubuntu "Quantal Bootspeed: Regression from Precise" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044452 [16:32] Laney: typo in the bug quoted in the pidgin-libnotify changelog. otherwise seems reasonable [16:33] hmm [16:33] shall I reupload? [16:33] meh, it's easy enough to figure out [16:35] I'll be out for awhile. If shadeslayer manages to fix kde-telepathy, someone please accept it. [16:41] Hello! Could a release team member look at bug 1044447 when possible, to tell me which of the four options you'd prefer? Or if the whole thing is awful. :) [16:41] Launchpad bug 1044447 in unity-lens-photos "[FFe, MIR] unity-lens-photo in quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044447 [16:47] | please approve this [16:47] V [16:50] mterry: #1 sounds fine, as long as you don't expect it for B1 :-) [16:50] Laney, no, not at all :) [16:51] Laney, but hopefully shortly after it's out [16:51] * mterry investigates oauthlib then [16:51] make sure not to break the other rdeps while you're at it :P [16:52] * xnox the arrow worked! \0/ please approve ubiquity fixing critical bug in the ask page & removing alpha warning. [16:52] the debdiff is tiny [16:52] Hopefully not yeah :) [16:52] slangasek: ^ (ubiquity) ? [17:02] can I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1044464 acked? [17:03] Ubuntu bug 1044464 in indicator-session "UIFe: add an Online Account menuitem" [Medium,Fix committed] [17:03] it's a small UIFe, I would like to land that today still [17:03] just adding an entry to indicator-session [17:03] Laney: does that mean you're passing the review to me? [17:04] slangasek: yes, I'm asking if you would do it [17:04] slangasek: also, do you know of a workaround for timeouts when accepting packages? [17:04] libreoffice here [17:06] jibel: will try to look at this, but the amount of time passed means it's going to be harder to trace [17:06] Laney: hum, timeouts when accepting them which way? [17:06] Laney: AIUI the API is the only way for us to do accepts at this time [17:07] Laney: and yes, will review ubiquity [17:07] API using "queue" [17:07] queue -s quantal-proposed -Q unapproved accept libreoffice ← thusly [17:07] Laney: yeah, we can't use the more direct method anymore because we don't have sudo on pepo :/ [17:07] keep trying until caches get sufficiently warmed up? [17:08] I guess so? [17:09] ok, cheers [17:09] xnox: should these partman string issues be unit-testable? [17:09] (ubiquity accepted) [17:10] slangasek: all of them are, apart from the ones that need dynamic substitution after we detect $OS. [17:10] slangasek: there three that never change (dont' have $OS substitution: custom, lvm, crypto) but pulled the same way as the rest (replace/resize/upgrade/etc) [17:11] ah, there we go [17:11] fifth time lucky [17:12] slangasek: so a unit-test can catch this in the future for those three without subs, others are more tricky. Currently they are skipped in the translation unit-test. [17:13] xnox: I guess best practice would be to add said unit test ASAP, so we at least test the parts that are testable [17:13] slangasek: unfortunately partman integration is not unit-tested currently, If you have any thought on how to unit test partman they'd be very welcome. [17:13] xnox: no specific ideas, sorry [17:14] slangasek: i will think about it and implement some unit tests. [17:50] Laney, stgraber, skaet: ^ please consider that one, it fixes some bug and it lands a few UI tweaks that would be nicer to get earlier than late [17:59] seb128, Daviey, can you please take a pass at putting the appropriate upgrade information in to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades [18:00] slangasek, do we want to put some special comments there about the alternates? ie. what to do if you're used to using alternates? or is there a better place? [18:01] skaet, ok [18:01] skaet: I don't think we want to put comments about the alternates, just remove them? The supported upgrade method is now the network upgrade [18:38] uhm, could someone approve that ^ [18:52] shadeslayer: done [18:52] thanks :) [18:53] I also have a fixed armhf build for telepathy-qt that's test building atm [18:53] but that'll take some time === henrix is now known as henrix_ [20:19] slangasek: when you get a chance, could you please review my gnome-dictionary SRU in precise, it affects lucid -> precise upgrades [20:51] Laney: I have a branch in progress that moves bug processing on queue accept to an async job, which will deal with that problem. In the meantime you can ask webops on #launchpad-ops (internal) to run queue accept as lp_archive@pepo for you, or harass GSA to fix the RT about us not having sudo any more :-) [20:55] I think it stalled partly due to my vacation and partly because it took a while for the DB patch to be deployed (largely because fastdowntime was on hold for a bit following the DC move) [21:09] micahg: gnome-dictionary accepted [21:13] is there any way release people could start reviewing the unity stack (bamf, compiz, ...)? [21:20] slangasek: thanks [21:22] Laney, slangasek, stgraber, skaet: is there anyone to review the unity stack as it gets uploaded? (some components already in the queue, I would like to get comments while I'm still around to reply to eventual concerns) [21:23] seb128: let me have a look [21:26] slangasek, thanks, bamf and compiz there so far, nux about to come, unity in a bit [21:26] thanks slangasek. [21:26] seb128: busy with plumbers, so if slangasek can do it, that'd be great. Poke me once accepted though so I can make sure it gets built immediately (if there's something else in the buildd queue) [21:37] seb128: bamf accepted; but eh, why spend the effort trying to verify that the public functions weren't used, instead of just bumping the soname? [21:38] slangasek, the #ps guys didn't want to "make the transition" harder and they had rolled their testing ppa etc already, I tried to argue a bit but I decided I didn't care enough to fight that battle and moved to the other components in their stack where most of work was laying (compiz, unity especially) [21:39] slangasek, thanks for approving it [21:39] meh, false optimization [21:39] who should I go lecture about ABIs? :) [21:40] mhr3 ;-) [21:40] well racarr is the one who broke it, mhr3 argued it was easier to not change the soname ;-) [21:40] slangasek: What's with the kexec-tools upload you sponsored to precise without a bug closure in the changelog? [21:42] infinity: that's an interesting question [21:42] infinity: I thought I sponsored one /with/ a bug closure in the changelog [21:43] slangasek: The changelog disagrees. :P [21:44] infinity: must be your imagination, I see the ref there plain as day [21:44] queuebot: shhhhh [21:44] slangasek: *smirk* [21:45] slangasek / cjwatson: I'm not going to accept that debian-installer until after the current ti-omap4 kernel has made it from the PPA to proposed, since the last one had a nasty regression. [21:45] (for precise) [21:45] slangasek: Y'know, since it's technically your SRU day and all. [21:46] infinity: hmm, so what are you doing SRU processing for? Aren't you supposed to be somewhere throwing peanuts at Lennart? [21:46] I'm throwing Stephane at Peter and Matthew. [21:46] ... [21:46] He's compact. [21:47] infinity: what happened to your wifi? shouldn't you be looking at your syslog? [21:47] infinity: trying to get on the olympic swiss tossing team? [21:47] slangasek: I'm actually mostly doing some work in this session to debug my wireless for Seth. :P [21:47] * skaet tempted to go downstairs and watch.... [21:47] infinity: mkay. I was mostly just throwing it at the archive as the most efficient way to respond to a question from rbasak earlier today without him actually being on IRC to be responded to. [21:47] cjwatson: Fair enough. I had planned to do the same upload a bit later, so less effort for me. :P [21:48] What I'm actually supposed to be doing right now is writing a best man speech, so this is displacement activity ... [21:48] cjwatson: Someone invited you to a public event to say something nice about them? [21:49] cjwatson: I suspect a speech questioning their sanity might work. [21:49] I think it's revenge for me doing the same in reverse seven years ago. [21:50] * slangasek grins [21:51] infinity: any test case for bug #1034568? [21:51] Launchpad bug 1034568 in build-essential "build-essential shouldn't be Multi-Arch: foreign" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034568 [21:52] slangasek: dpkg-deb -I? [21:52] dpkg-deb -I succeeds in both cases. :) [21:52] *rolls eyes* [21:52] Pedant. [21:52] yes [21:52] accepted [21:52] dpkg-deb -I | swiss-toss [21:53] slangasek: But thanks for reminding me that I might need to SRU up some of those eglibc bugs. At least the ones that aren't pretty obvious. [21:53] I kinda didn't bother after we delayed it. [21:53] * slangasek pauses his terminal where it is :) [22:12] slangasek or infinity: Would you please retry Kubuntu amd64 live? [22:12] looking [22:12] Thanks. [22:14] ScottK: Only if you fix the symbols file in telepathy-qt. [22:14] infinity: shadeslayer is working on that. Test build on armhf was fine. [22:14] I want to make sure we don't have another problem before we upload to the archive. [22:15] ScottK: Yay, just glad that someone's fixing. [22:15] Since amd64 doesn't have that problem, it should have been fine. [22:15] See. No threats needed. [22:17] ScottK: (I think slangasek was doing it for you anyway) [22:17] slangasek, nux and unity as well quantal-proposed, having them reviewed before I take off would be appreciate [22:17] d [22:19] ScottK: someone will have to upload tp-qt since it's not in the kubuntu packageset [22:20] shadeslayer: Give me a pointer to it. [22:20] infinity: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/telepathy-qt_0.9.3-0ubuntu2.dsc , but I'm just waiting for it to build on amd64 and i386 to make sure it doesn't break on those [22:20] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+build/3757038 [22:22] shadeslayer: Erm. Why only "on armhf"? [22:22] shadeslayer: Tell me that this includes the armel and powerpc symbols changes too. [22:22] infinity: haven't tested it on armel and powerpc since I don't hardware to test build on those arch's [22:23] shadeslayer: armel is the same hardware as armhf. But if you were using symbolhelper, why not just feed it all the build logs? [22:23] That's kinda the point of it. [22:23] (Or, you can do it by hand from the failed build logs...) [22:24] well, I did use symbol helper, and I believe it worked for armhf, but patches fail to apply for armel and powerpc most likely because some of the symbols were already patched [22:25] plus, there are more missing symbols not in the build log that I found out later on [22:31] shadeslayer: Perhaps I'll do this, since I can test on all the arches. [22:34] shadeslayer: (As for the patch application failure, that's because you were trying to do it incrementally... What you wanted was "pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch armel.log armhf.log powerpc.log" on the same invocation) [22:35] shadeslayer: Anyhow, verifying this here now. [22:35] yeah, that's what I've did now, lemme test build [22:35] alright [22:35] shadeslayer: I'm already on it. [22:35] okay [22:35] thanks! === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha [22:51] hey skaet [22:53] seb128: looking at them now - though I hope you realize I can't do reviews and XDG_RUNTIME_DIR at the same time ;) [22:55] slangasek, I do and I wouldn't ping you if I could get anyone else from the release team to review them but seems they are all focussed on plumbers ;-) [22:56] slangasek, thanks for the reviews! [23:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1178764/ - heh [23:03] and there's unity accepted [23:06] slangasek, their contributors script seems buggy, I will tell them ... thanks ;-) [23:06] :) [23:25] shadeslayer: My arm and PPC testbuilds may end up interfering with my plans to drink heavily tonight, but I'll make sure this gets uploaded on the weekend if I don't finish tonight. [23:39] knome, ? specific question? ;) [23:39] skaet, no, just re: the alternates, i will inform you before monday on our final decision if that's still ok.. [23:40] had real work and life mess up today's schedule.. [23:41] knome, fair 'nuf. :) thanks. [23:41] no problem [23:47] infinity, just heads up, ^ ti-omap4 finished building, run the script here for the sync [23:49] herton: Accepted. [23:50] thanks [23:50] seb128: is the unity stack ready to be copied? looks like the build queue is empty [23:50] no [23:51] herton: No problem. Thanks for doing the rebase. [23:51] stgraber, build failed on slow archs for unity due to mismatch versions in nux,compiz [23:51] stgraber, it needs a retry after the next publisher run on those [23:51] stgraber, then they are ok to publish once they built [23:52] so ~1h [23:52] ok