[00:01] <xnox> i think on monday we will have beta candidate images, so those will be tested monday onwards.
[00:01] <xnox> until monday still dailies testing
[00:08] <leadsled> thanks for the info xnox
[00:19] <phillw> xnox: are they really going to give us 4 days this time?!!!!
[00:20] <xnox> phillw: they always do.
[00:20] <phillw> xnox: it will be a first.
[00:20] <xnox> except for respins.... each time it respins, the clock resets
[00:21] <xnox> all must be retested, but still to be released on thursday
[00:21] <phillw> xnox: I'm talking about the 'full' respins that knock all tests out. It is a muttering point to be brought up uds.
[00:22] <phillw> iso tracker has no way of carrying bugs forward that were not fixed in a re-spin
[00:23] <phillw> xnox: yes, I'm just having a quiet moan... I know work is on going, but throwing that with cadence which can also not track bugs is overloading testers.
[00:23] <xnox> i thought it did.
[00:24] <xnox> phillw: but why should it? we should fix respin bugs, hence we should not copy them.
[00:24] <phillw> nope, it wipes them. there 'seems' to be now a 'be aware of' installed but that takes a lot of tracking down
[00:25] <xnox> and if the respin bug is reported agains the new spin, it's very serious.
[00:25] <phillw> xnox: e.g. If a respin is done to fix critical bugs... why delete all the ones it did not fix?
[00:27] <phillw> xnox: what the dev team are proposing is that the testers must re-do every bug report, every 2 weeks - regardless if there is a fix..... convenient for dev team - does not solve the bug?
[00:28] <xnox> it's easy to do reverse look-up there is a tag on launchpad and you can see *all* open bug reports, which came from iso-testing.
[00:28] <xnox> and you should be checking the bug reports *before* opening a new one again.
[00:28] <xnox> because it strains me to mark them as duplicate......
[00:28] <phillw> xnox: and that is the point which you fail to understand...
[00:29] <phillw> a tester grabs an iso, the existing bugs should be on there.
[00:29] <xnox> all 100 000 of them?
[00:29] <phillw> xnox: do you want 200 000?
[00:30] <xnox> well actually we have more than 1 000 000 bugs now.
[00:30] <xnox> grab and iso, test, hit a bug, check launchpad if it is already reported, file a bug.
[00:30] <xnox> sorry.
[00:30] <xnox> if it isn't reported, file a bug
[00:30] <phillw> if the iso tracker for testing does not carry bugs not fixed over, then a tester will report it - then the bug team have to waste time marking it as dup
[00:31] <xnox> if it is reported, _link it_ on the iso tracker.
[00:31] <phillw> xnox: it is a known bug. just be aware of it
[10:36] <jibel> balloons, in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions there is a typo
[10:36] <jibel> balloons, ... while booting the system after installaton:             ubuntu-bug grub2
[13:40] <sagaci> to test quantal beta 1 images or the quantal daily
[13:40] <smartboyhw> sagaci: Uh huh
[13:41] <sagaci> I'll go the beta 1 images
[13:41] <sagaci> maybe not, netbook only
[13:45] <sagaci> latest daily partitioning is a bit error-y
[13:46] <jibel> sagaci, Beta 1 are not there yet
[13:47] <sagaci> yeah, I just synced the daily instead
[13:48] <jibel> sagaci, next build should be the first B1 candidate, you can zsync it from the latest daily you downloaded to save bandwidth
[13:54] <smartboyhw> sagaci: I even got a critical bug out of it
[13:55] <sagaci> smartboyhw, partitioning error?
[13:55] <smartboyhw> No, install error
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Let me find the bug number
[13:55] <sagaci> bug 1044384
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Nug 1044299
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Bug 1044299
[13:56] <sagaci> yup
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Uh oh, duplicate
[13:57] <smartboyhw> marked as duplicate
[13:57] <sagaci> yup
[14:28] <smartboyhw> ping balloons have you woken up?
[19:04] <plars> for netboot minimal isos, what's the difference between mini.iso and mini-gtk.iso?
[19:05] <balloons> mini-gtk?
[19:07] <plars> balloons: rather, the mini.iso in the gtk directory
[19:07] <davmor2> plars: mini.iso is the one you want for netboot, not sure about the difference
[19:08] <balloons> right.. mini.iso is what you want
[19:08] <balloons> where are you seeing gtk dir?
[19:08] <davmor2> plars: Oh I wonder if one gives you the default Ubuntu desktop only
[19:08] <plars> davmor2: yeah, the mini.iso in the gtk dir doesn't seem to work, but I was wondering if it should, and what it's purpose in life is (other than taking up a bit more space than the one in the parent directory)
[19:09] <davmor2> plars: best person will be cjwatson at a guess
[19:09] <plars> isn't it always? I thought I'd give him a break and try it as an open question here first though :)
[19:11] <plars> what *is* slightly troubling though, is we have things like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/graphical.html that point to look for netboot/gtk/mini.iso
[19:35] <balloons> plars, that's really odd