| derekv | yea i shall consider it | 00:26 |
|---|---|---|
| derekv | i think i'll live with just lastpass and learn a bit more about how it all works (technical/practical) before going further | 00:26 |
| derekv | the pro version is very cheap ... cheap enough i'd get it if it had one feature i might sometimes find useful | 00:27 |
| derekv | so the no comments at all thing was making me laugh today | 00:28 |
| derekv | because this really horrible bug would have been noticed by me faster if a class were not totally named wrong | 00:28 |
| derekv | something-something-cache | 00:28 |
| derekv | but its not a cache at all | 00:28 |
| derekv | just a hashmap | 00:29 |
| derekv | that shit is getting stored in | 00:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Have you heard the promos for OMC on metalinjection.fm? | 00:29 |
| derekv | session state for the lose | 00:29 |
| * snap-l needs to come up with more promos | 00:31 | |
| snap-l | There's only three on there right now | 00:31 |
| snap-l | "Music that will rip your face off and give a copy to your friends..." | 00:32 |
| snap-l | "OMC. Because Sharing is caring, and going to jail for sharing music is stupid. OMC.com" | 00:32 |
| snap-l | http://soundcloud.com/mofryky | 00:46 |
| snap-l | Some good covers | 00:46 |
| derekv | snap-l: link to your podcast? | 00:48 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com and http://lococast.net | 00:48 |
| snap-l | One's music, one's me and rick_h_ talking | 00:48 |
| derekv | oh cool | 00:49 |
| derekv | so , i've been using beyondpod for android | 00:53 |
| derekv | and it has its quirks but overall I like it | 00:53 |
| derekv | what i'd really like , is almost the same thing, where I have the option to set it up to download podcasts onto local disk based on some rules | 00:54 |
| derekv | but some cloud sync that keeps track of podcasts listened to, or even where i am in a podcast | 00:54 |
| derekv | sortof the multi-room-dvr concept but for podcasts and devices | 00:55 |
| derekv | i'd like all that, but i'm too lazy to google for it | 00:55 |
| snap-l | derekv: I haven't found it either | 00:57 |
| === lotia is now known as lotia-away | ||
| derekv | so i guess long random password for appleid doesn't work out | 02:14 |
| derekv | lol i have passwords for facebook logins i dont' even recognize in my old password database | 02:29 |
| derekv | ohh i remember what those were for | 02:35 |
| derekv | repressed memory due to php | 02:35 |
| derekv | ipad lastpass is crashy | 02:38 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I haven't heard them, no. Haven't really listened to mi.fm yet | 03:45 |
| brousch | derekv: Google Listen does what you want | 10:42 |
| === lotia-away is now known as lotia | ||
| === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as monkeyjuice | ||
| snap-l | OK< this is a little disingenuous | 11:55 |
| snap-l | http://www.sharms.org/blog/2012/08/apple-os-x-ubuntu-applications/ <- Vector Graphics Application | 11:55 |
| snap-l | I mean, sure, if you're just using OSS for most things, the Mac pales by comparison | 11:56 |
| snap-l | But it's like saying you use the GIMP and Scribus on the Mac for photo editing and page layout | 11:57 |
| snap-l | Not saying they aren't great tools, but the Mac is blessed with some pretty great tools. | 11:58 |
| snap-l | tools that I wish were available under Linux | 11:58 |
| brousch | snap-l: Expensive tools | 11:59 |
| snap-l | True, they are expensive | 12:01 |
| snap-l | but if the totality of your usage of the mac is as a platform for running mostly OSS stuff, then the transition is quite easy. | 12:02 |
| snap-l | again: not a bad thing | 12:02 |
| brousch | Using Gimp and Inkscape on OSX is annoying | 12:09 |
| brousch | They don't quite integrate correctly | 12:09 |
| snap-l | brousch: I remember trying pidgin under OSX. It was terrible. | 12:09 |
| brousch | I couldn't even get it installed | 12:10 |
| snap-l | Imagine if you will a completely unthemed GTK application running via X | 12:10 |
| snap-l | with no font hinting at all | 12:11 |
| snap-l | That's how much it rocked. | 12:11 |
| brousch | epic! | 12:11 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it was like getting a hug from Satan | 12:13 |
| PainBank | wow snap-l I didn't know you had such a relationship | 12:14 |
| snap-l | Well, it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such a fan of wet willies. | 12:14 |
| PainBank | you like getting skull fucked by satan, just admit it | 12:15 |
| snap-l | Purely on a platonic level | 12:15 |
| PainBank | sure... is your wife on here now? or is she reading the screen? | 12:16 |
| snap-l | PainBank: Just curious, who would enjoy being skull fucked? | 12:18 |
| snap-l | I mean, that's pretty hardcore. | 12:19 |
| PainBank | only the hardcore would I suppose. haha | 12:22 |
| PainBank | perhaps some crazy host of a crazy show about metal or some such | 12:23 |
| PainBank | anyone tried phone gap? | 12:29 |
| brousch | About a year ago, other than the very brief experiment for pyohio | 12:31 |
| brousch | Hm, maybe 2 years ago | 12:31 |
| shakes808 | Good morning all | 12:55 |
| brousch | yessir | 12:57 |
| brousch | PainBank: It's not bad if your application fits its limited features | 12:57 |
| PainBank | broush: but all it really does for you is give a single consistent device API to code against yes? In the end, the packaging of the html app to device has to be done in each app environ, correct? | 13:04 |
| brousch | Yes | 13:04 |
| brousch | If you want an iOS app, you have to use OSX | 13:04 |
| brousch | Also, if you want it to look native on each device, you will end up making different UIs for each platform | 13:05 |
| brousch | With PhoneGap, you are making a web page, so the entire design is on you | 13:06 |
| brousch | Supposedly Appcelerator Titanium (cross platform, javascript) is better at making things look native | 13:07 |
| PainBank | yes, well at that point, you are coding your UI in javascript entirely as well... although to some degree you will do that with the majority of 'html5' frameworks as well. | 13:09 |
| snap-l | http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-beta <- use offer code beta20 to get 20% off | 13:14 |
| snap-l | http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-alpha <- offer code alpha50 for 50% off | 13:17 |
| brousch | PainBank: Are you looking at phonegap for cross-platform or for not needing java? | 13:19 |
| jrwren | " Having went through the 15″ Macbook Pro, 13″ Macbook Pro and 13″ Macbook Air, and I really feel that Lenovo actually makes more compelling products. " | 13:35 |
| jrwren | this guy is insane. right there is proof. | 13:35 |
| brousch | Maybe the Apple crackcoating doesn't work on him | 13:36 |
| jrwren | his Application Equivalents is interesting. sublime on both tells me that he doesn't use gvim on both :) | 13:36 |
| jrwren | i'm also amused that the X1 costs more than MacBookAir | 13:37 |
| jrwren | greg-g: are you ok? | 13:42 |
| PainBank | brousch: just as a not using java to code an app up | 13:52 |
| brousch | Kivy looks pretty nice | 13:52 |
| brousch | You can also make an APK with Python for Android | 13:53 |
| brousch | Where are those damn PyOhio videos? | 13:53 |
| PainBank | brousch: no worries | 13:54 |
| PainBank | also to understand how phonegap is used for xplatform dev | 13:55 |
| brousch | Everyone I've talked to that uses PhoneGap says they develop on OSX and test with the iPhone emulator because it's so much faster. Then they test on Android once in a while | 14:04 |
| brousch | Even someone who uses PhoneGap on Windows tests via VNC to OSX running the emulator | 14:05 |
| PainBank | nice | 14:09 |
| PainBank | I don't think it is the phone gap part, but the emulator | 14:10 |
| PainBank | snap-l: one you might like.... | 14:10 |
| PainBank | http://www.shazam.com/discover/track/52842591 | 14:10 |
| PainBank | amzing shazam even makes any money | 14:11 |
| PainBank | thank you Pandora for the backstory | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I need more volbeat in my life. | 14:13 |
| PainBank | the leader used to run Dominus, which is heavier... haven't listened to them yet though. | 14:17 |
| PainBank | wrif was actually playing that song last night... | 14:17 |
| PainBank | pleasent surprise | 14:17 |
| brousch | rick_h_: I realized I can put multiple commands in one Makefile command. Now my file will be even more awesome than before! | 14:59 |
| brousch | I was calling out to script for multiline commands | 15:00 |
| shakes808 | sorry coming in late to the convo. What is this about Pythonn and Andriod? | 15:09 |
| greg-g | jrwren: why you ask? | 15:22 |
| greg-g | w00t, my 8 gigs of ram is out for delivery! | 15:32 |
| greg-g | (the max this laptop can take, contrary to Lenovo's stated max of 4) | 15:33 |
| jrwren | greg-g: because twitter suggests you watched the RNC on tv. this tells me something may be wrong with you. | 16:02 |
| _stink_ | might be a long shot, but has anyone here made/used a solar cooker before? | 16:15 |
| greg-g | jrwren: hah, no, didn't watch, retweeted people though | 16:18 |
| greg-g | _stink_: I once left some milk in my car in the summer, does that count? | 16:18 |
| _stink_ | yes! you made ricotta. | 16:19 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Cards Against Humanity is back in stock. | 16:50 |
| snap-l | https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S8F7QM/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B004S8F7QM&adid=17ZNZ0AWZZH2KDW6RHFJ& | 16:50 |
| waldo323_ | _stink_, have you already checked out instructables? | 16:56 |
| _stink_ | waldo323_: naw, i got my plan from http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Cookers_World_Network_(Home) | 16:56 |
| _stink_ | looking now though, thanks | 16:56 |
| waldo323_ | you're welcome | 16:59 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Pulling out of the loco council | 17:02 |
| snap-l | ? | 17:02 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, no time, that one actually does work, unlike the Membership Review Boards where I just vote on people :) | 17:05 |
| brousch | Whew. Multiline command in makefile was a PITA to figure out | 17:28 |
| jrwren | django folk: how do you manage dev v. prod settings? | 17:40 |
| brousch | jrwren: There a couple of ways people do it | 17:47 |
| brousch | Some have a separate settings.py (production) and settings_dev.py | 17:47 |
| jrwren | yeah, they seem to be well documented https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/SplitSettings | 17:47 |
| jrwren | but how do YOU like to do it ? 8D | 17:47 |
| brousch | Some have a settings.py and then settings_prod and settings_dev they import from | 17:48 |
| brousch | Some make a settings module | 17:48 |
| brousch | I use separate settings files | 17:48 |
| jrwren | i'm leaning toward module. | 17:48 |
| brousch | But that makes for manual changes on the server | 17:48 |
| jrwren | so I don't duplicate the settings. | 17:48 |
| brousch | Right, module is probably the best way | 17:49 |
| brousch | I think static files and settings handling are the most annoying things in Django | 17:49 |
| jrwren | static files definitely suck | 17:51 |
| jrwren | the good thing is since it is in your face you have to solve it instead of doing what most people do and letting their handler serve statics too | 17:52 |
| brousch | I suppose | 17:52 |
| brousch | Although I know people who are really lazy and use the sev server in prod | 17:53 |
| brousch | That hard part about settings is keeping secret info out of repositories but still someplace useful | 17:54 |
| jrwren | that is what I mean. | 17:54 |
| jrwren | static files make it difficult to use dev server in prod. | 17:54 |
| jrwren | ah, secret info in repo is not an issue in my case. but for open source, sure. | 17:55 |
| suzyq | 49 ferndale female | 18:36 |
| jrwren | lol, wtf. | 18:38 |
| greg-g | huh, uhhhh | 18:41 |
| llua | wat, yarrr. | 18:49 |
| jrwren | brousch: how do you profile your django apps? debug-toolbar is great for the sql queries, but for compute, what do you use? | 18:50 |
| brousch | profile? | 18:53 |
| jrwren | yar, like ipython's %prun | 18:54 |
| jrwren | cProfile, profile, pstats | 18:54 |
| jrwren | http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html | 18:54 |
| jrwren | repose profile looks sweet. | 18:55 |
| jrwren | but I think this is sweet too: http://backslashn.com/post/505601626/profiling-execution-with-the-django-debug-toolbar | 18:55 |
| snap-l | Worst thing about writing an article for a magazine: wondering what issue it'll come out | 18:56 |
| snap-l | OMC is on metalinjection.fm until 6pm ET | 19:04 |
| snap-l | greg-g: ^^ | 19:05 |
| snap-l | (I promise I'll start laying off the channel reminders. ;) ) | 19:05 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:06 |
| greg-g | huh, I thought I was a member of the !cc group, I guess not, snap-l :) | 19:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm not either | 19:26 |
| greg-g | I remember now it being a bit noisy | 19:26 |
| greg-g | not unlike cc-community mailing list :) | 19:26 |
| snap-l | I got off that list a while back | 19:26 |
| snap-l | the development discussion reminded me why I hate watching sausage-making | 19:26 |
| shakes808 | Language question for the .NET peoples. F# What is it good for? | 20:16 |
| jrwren | everything. | 20:27 |
| jrwren | its the greatest .net language. | 20:27 |
| greg-g | snap-l: what's your referrer for ting? | 20:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ | 20:30 |
| snap-l | ANd thank you, if you decide to use it. :) | 20:31 |
| Blazeix | shakes808: i think F# is really popular in the data analysis and banking worlds | 20:35 |
| shakes808 | what is the advantages for F# over just C# | 20:41 |
| greg-g | snap-l: dude, that gets me $25 off too! | 20:49 |
| greg-g | sweet | 20:49 |
| greg-g | I thought I was just being a good friend and giving you a credit | 20:50 |
| greg-g | huh, it lets me upgrade from 10 business day shipping to 3 for free :) | 20:52 |
| greg-g | snap-l: alright, I hit buy :) | 20:59 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Awesome. THank you. | 21:03 |
| jrwren | snap-l: are you familiar with And One? | 21:09 |
| jrwren | if you are, this may make you LOl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1ioVPlWzA | 21:10 |
| snap-l | Not familiar with them | 21:14 |
| snap-l | but yeah, I love these. | 21:14 |
| snap-l | SImilar to Eisbrecher. | 21:14 |
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