[00:26] yea i shall consider it [00:26] i think i'll live with just lastpass and learn a bit more about how it all works (technical/practical) before going further [00:27] the pro version is very cheap ... cheap enough i'd get it if it had one feature i might sometimes find useful [00:28] so the no comments at all thing was making me laugh today [00:28] because this really horrible bug would have been noticed by me faster if a class were not totally named wrong [00:28] something-something-cache [00:28] but its not a cache at all [00:29] just a hashmap [00:29] that shit is getting stored in [00:29] greg-g: Have you heard the promos for OMC on metalinjection.fm? [00:29] session state for the lose [00:31] * snap-l needs to come up with more promos [00:31] There's only three on there right now [00:32] "Music that will rip your face off and give a copy to your friends..." [00:32] "OMC. Because Sharing is caring, and going to jail for sharing music is stupid. OMC.com" [00:46] http://soundcloud.com/mofryky [00:46] Some good covers [00:48] snap-l: link to your podcast? [00:48] http://openmetalcast.com and http://lococast.net [00:48] One's music, one's me and rick_h_ talking [00:49] oh cool [00:53] so , i've been using beyondpod for android [00:53] and it has its quirks but overall I like it [00:54] what i'd really like , is almost the same thing, where I have the option to set it up to download podcasts onto local disk based on some rules [00:54] but some cloud sync that keeps track of podcasts listened to, or even where i am in a podcast [00:55] sortof the multi-room-dvr concept but for podcasts and devices [00:55] i'd like all that, but i'm too lazy to google for it [00:57] derekv: I haven't found it either === lotia is now known as lotia-away [02:14] so i guess long random password for appleid doesn't work out [02:29] lol i have passwords for facebook logins i dont' even recognize in my old password database [02:35] ohh i remember what those were for [02:35] repressed memory due to php [02:38] ipad lastpass is crashy [03:45] snap-l: I haven't heard them, no. Haven't really listened to mi.fm yet [10:42] derekv: Google Listen does what you want === lotia-away is now known as lotia === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as monkeyjuice [11:55] OK< this is a little disingenuous [11:55] http://www.sharms.org/blog/2012/08/apple-os-x-ubuntu-applications/ <- Vector Graphics Application [11:56] I mean, sure, if you're just using OSS for most things, the Mac pales by comparison [11:57] But it's like saying you use the GIMP and Scribus on the Mac for photo editing and page layout [11:58] Not saying they aren't great tools, but the Mac is blessed with some pretty great tools. [11:58] tools that I wish were available under Linux [11:59] snap-l: Expensive tools [12:01] True, they are expensive [12:02] but if the totality of your usage of the mac is as a platform for running mostly OSS stuff, then the transition is quite easy. [12:02] again: not a bad thing [12:09] Using Gimp and Inkscape on OSX is annoying [12:09] They don't quite integrate correctly [12:09] brousch: I remember trying pidgin under OSX. It was terrible. [12:10] I couldn't even get it installed [12:10] Imagine if you will a completely unthemed GTK application running via X [12:11] with no font hinting at all [12:11] That's how much it rocked. [12:11] epic! [12:13] Yeah, it was like getting a hug from Satan [12:14] wow snap-l I didn't know you had such a relationship [12:14] Well, it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such a fan of wet willies. [12:15] you like getting skull fucked by satan, just admit it [12:15] Purely on a platonic level [12:16] sure... is your wife on here now? or is she reading the screen? [12:18] PainBank: Just curious, who would enjoy being skull fucked? [12:19] I mean, that's pretty hardcore. [12:22] only the hardcore would I suppose. haha [12:23] perhaps some crazy host of a crazy show about metal or some such [12:29] anyone tried phone gap? [12:31] About a year ago, other than the very brief experiment for pyohio [12:31] Hm, maybe 2 years ago [12:55] Good morning all [12:57] yessir [12:57] PainBank: It's not bad if your application fits its limited features [13:04] broush: but all it really does for you is give a single consistent device API to code against yes? In the end, the packaging of the html app to device has to be done in each app environ, correct? [13:04] Yes [13:04] If you want an iOS app, you have to use OSX [13:05] Also, if you want it to look native on each device, you will end up making different UIs for each platform [13:06] With PhoneGap, you are making a web page, so the entire design is on you [13:07] Supposedly Appcelerator Titanium (cross platform, javascript) is better at making things look native [13:09] yes, well at that point, you are coding your UI in javascript entirely as well... although to some degree you will do that with the majority of 'html5' frameworks as well. [13:14] http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-beta <- use offer code beta20 to get 20% off [13:17] http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-alpha <- offer code alpha50 for 50% off [13:19] PainBank: Are you looking at phonegap for cross-platform or for not needing java? [13:35] " Having went through the 15″ Macbook Pro, 13″ Macbook Pro and 13″ Macbook Air, and I really feel that Lenovo actually makes more compelling products. " [13:35] this guy is insane. right there is proof. [13:36] Maybe the Apple crackcoating doesn't work on him [13:36] his Application Equivalents is interesting. sublime on both tells me that he doesn't use gvim on both :) [13:37] i'm also amused that the X1 costs more than MacBookAir [13:42] greg-g: are you ok? [13:52] brousch: just as a not using java to code an app up [13:52] Kivy looks pretty nice [13:53] You can also make an APK with Python for Android [13:53] Where are those damn PyOhio videos? [13:54] brousch: no worries [13:55] also to understand how phonegap is used for xplatform dev [14:04] Everyone I've talked to that uses PhoneGap says they develop on OSX and test with the iPhone emulator because it's so much faster. Then they test on Android once in a while [14:05] Even someone who uses PhoneGap on Windows tests via VNC to OSX running the emulator [14:09] nice [14:10] I don't think it is the phone gap part, but the emulator [14:10] snap-l: one you might like.... [14:10] http://www.shazam.com/discover/track/52842591 [14:11] amzing shazam even makes any money [14:12] thank you Pandora for the backstory [14:13] Yeah, I need more volbeat in my life. [14:17] the leader used to run Dominus, which is heavier... haven't listened to them yet though. [14:17] wrif was actually playing that song last night... [14:17] pleasent surprise [14:59] rick_h_: I realized I can put multiple commands in one Makefile command. Now my file will be even more awesome than before! [15:00] I was calling out to script for multiline commands [15:09] sorry coming in late to the convo. What is this about Pythonn and Andriod? [15:22] jrwren: why you ask? [15:32] w00t, my 8 gigs of ram is out for delivery! [15:33] (the max this laptop can take, contrary to Lenovo's stated max of 4) [16:02] greg-g: because twitter suggests you watched the RNC on tv. this tells me something may be wrong with you. [16:15] <_stink_> might be a long shot, but has anyone here made/used a solar cooker before? [16:18] jrwren: hah, no, didn't watch, retweeted people though [16:18] _stink_: I once left some milk in my car in the summer, does that count? [16:19] <_stink_> yes! you made ricotta. [16:50] rick_h_: Cards Against Humanity is back in stock. [16:50] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S8F7QM/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B004S8F7QM&adid=17ZNZ0AWZZH2KDW6RHFJ& [16:56] _stink_, have you already checked out instructables? [16:56] <_stink_> waldo323_: naw, i got my plan from http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Cookers_World_Network_(Home) [16:56] <_stink_> looking now though, thanks [16:59] you're welcome [17:02] greg-g: Pulling out of the loco council [17:02] ? [17:05] snap-l: yeah, no time, that one actually does work, unlike the Membership Review Boards where I just vote on people :) [17:28] Whew. Multiline command in makefile was a PITA to figure out [17:40] django folk: how do you manage dev v. prod settings? [17:47] jrwren: There a couple of ways people do it [17:47] Some have a separate settings.py (production) and settings_dev.py [17:47] yeah, they seem to be well documented https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/SplitSettings [17:47] but how do YOU like to do it ? 8D [17:48] Some have a settings.py and then settings_prod and settings_dev they import from [17:48] Some make a settings module [17:48] I use separate settings files [17:48] i'm leaning toward module. [17:48] But that makes for manual changes on the server [17:48] so I don't duplicate the settings. [17:49] Right, module is probably the best way [17:49] I think static files and settings handling are the most annoying things in Django [17:51] static files definitely suck [17:52] the good thing is since it is in your face you have to solve it instead of doing what most people do and letting their handler serve statics too [17:52] I suppose [17:53] Although I know people who are really lazy and use the sev server in prod [17:54] That hard part about settings is keeping secret info out of repositories but still someplace useful [17:54] that is what I mean. [17:54] static files make it difficult to use dev server in prod. [17:55] ah, secret info in repo is not an issue in my case. but for open source, sure. [18:36] 49 ferndale female [18:38] lol, wtf. [18:41] huh, uhhhh [18:49] wat, yarrr. [18:50] brousch: how do you profile your django apps? debug-toolbar is great for the sql queries, but for compute, what do you use? [18:53] profile? [18:54] yar, like ipython's %prun [18:54] cProfile, profile, pstats [18:54] http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html [18:55] repose profile looks sweet. [18:55] but I think this is sweet too: http://backslashn.com/post/505601626/profiling-execution-with-the-django-debug-toolbar [18:56] Worst thing about writing an article for a magazine: wondering what issue it'll come out [19:04] OMC is on metalinjection.fm until 6pm ET [19:05] greg-g: ^^ [19:05] (I promise I'll start laying off the channel reminders. ;) ) [19:06] :) [19:14] huh, I thought I was a member of the !cc group, I guess not, snap-l :) [19:26] Yeah, I'm not either [19:26] I remember now it being a bit noisy [19:26] not unlike cc-community mailing list :) [19:26] I got off that list a while back [19:26] the development discussion reminded me why I hate watching sausage-making [20:16] Language question for the .NET peoples. F# What is it good for? [20:27] everything. [20:27] its the greatest .net language. [20:29] snap-l: what's your referrer for ting? [20:30] greg-g: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ [20:31] ANd thank you, if you decide to use it. :) [20:35] shakes808: i think F# is really popular in the data analysis and banking worlds [20:41] what is the advantages for F# over just C# [20:49] snap-l: dude, that gets me $25 off too! [20:49] sweet [20:50] I thought I was just being a good friend and giving you a credit [20:52] huh, it lets me upgrade from 10 business day shipping to 3 for free :) [20:59] snap-l: alright, I hit buy :) [21:03] greg-g: Awesome. THank you. [21:09] snap-l: are you familiar with And One? [21:10] if you are, this may make you LOl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1ioVPlWzA [21:14] Not familiar with them [21:14] but yeah, I love these. [21:14] SImilar to Eisbrecher.