[00:26] <derekv> yea i shall consider it
[00:26] <derekv> i think i'll live with just lastpass and learn a bit more about how it all works (technical/practical) before going further
[00:27] <derekv> the pro version is very cheap ... cheap enough i'd get it if it had one feature i might sometimes find useful
[00:28] <derekv> so the no comments at all thing was making me laugh today
[00:28] <derekv> because this really horrible bug would have been noticed by me faster if a class were not totally named wrong
[00:28] <derekv>  something-something-cache
[00:28] <derekv> but its not a cache at all
[00:29] <derekv> just a hashmap
[00:29] <derekv> that shit is getting stored in
[00:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Have you heard the promos for OMC on metalinjection.fm?
[00:29] <derekv> session state for the lose
[00:31]  * snap-l needs to come up with more promos
[00:31] <snap-l> There's only three on there right now
[00:32] <snap-l> "Music that will rip your face off and give a copy to your friends..."
[00:32] <snap-l> "OMC. Because Sharing is caring, and going to jail for sharing music is stupid. OMC.com"
[00:46] <snap-l> http://soundcloud.com/mofryky
[00:46] <snap-l> Some good covers
[00:48] <derekv> snap-l: link to your podcast?
[00:48] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com and http://lococast.net
[00:48] <snap-l> One's music, one's me and rick_h_ talking
[00:49] <derekv> oh cool
[00:53] <derekv> so , i've been using beyondpod for android
[00:53] <derekv> and it has its quirks but overall I like it
[00:54] <derekv> what i'd really like , is almost the same thing, where I have the option to set it up to download podcasts onto local disk based on some rules
[00:54] <derekv> but some cloud sync that keeps track of podcasts listened to, or even where i am in a podcast
[00:55] <derekv> sortof the multi-room-dvr concept but for podcasts and devices
[00:55] <derekv> i'd like all that, but i'm too lazy to google for it
[00:57] <snap-l> derekv: I haven't found it either
[02:14] <derekv> so i guess long random password for appleid doesn't work out
[02:29] <derekv> lol i have passwords for facebook logins i dont' even recognize in my old password database
[02:35] <derekv> ohh i remember what those were for
[02:35] <derekv> repressed memory due to php
[02:38] <derekv> ipad lastpass is crashy
[03:45] <greg-g> snap-l: I haven't heard them, no. Haven't really listened to mi.fm yet
[10:42] <brousch> derekv: Google Listen does what you want
[11:55] <snap-l> OK< this is a little disingenuous
[11:55] <snap-l> http://www.sharms.org/blog/2012/08/apple-os-x-ubuntu-applications/ <- Vector Graphics Application
[11:56] <snap-l> I mean, sure, if you're just using OSS for most things, the Mac pales by comparison
[11:57] <snap-l> But it's like saying you use the GIMP and Scribus on the Mac for photo editing and page layout
[11:58] <snap-l> Not saying they aren't great tools, but the Mac is blessed with some pretty great tools.
[11:58] <snap-l> tools that I wish were available under Linux
[11:59] <brousch> snap-l: Expensive tools
[12:01] <snap-l> True, they are expensive
[12:02] <snap-l> but if the totality of your usage of the mac is as a platform for running mostly OSS stuff, then the transition is quite easy.
[12:02] <snap-l> again: not a bad thing
[12:09] <brousch> Using Gimp and Inkscape on OSX is annoying
[12:09] <brousch> They don't quite integrate correctly
[12:09] <snap-l> brousch: I remember trying pidgin under OSX. It was terrible.
[12:10] <brousch> I couldn't even get it installed
[12:10] <snap-l> Imagine if you will a completely unthemed GTK application running via X
[12:11] <snap-l> with no font hinting at all
[12:11] <snap-l> That's how much it rocked.
[12:11] <brousch> epic!
[12:13] <snap-l> Yeah, it was like getting a hug from Satan
[12:14] <PainBank> wow snap-l I didn't know you had such a relationship
[12:14] <snap-l> Well, it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such a fan of wet willies.
[12:15] <PainBank> you like getting skull fucked by satan, just admit it
[12:15] <snap-l> Purely on a platonic level
[12:16] <PainBank> sure... is your wife on here now?  or is she reading the screen?
[12:18] <snap-l> PainBank: Just curious, who would enjoy being skull fucked?
[12:19] <snap-l> I mean, that's pretty hardcore.
[12:22] <PainBank> only the hardcore would I suppose.  haha
[12:23] <PainBank> perhaps some crazy host of a crazy show about metal or some such
[12:29] <PainBank> anyone tried phone gap?
[12:31] <brousch> About a year ago, other than the very brief experiment for pyohio
[12:31] <brousch> Hm, maybe 2 years ago
[12:55] <shakes808> Good morning all
[12:57] <brousch> yessir
[12:57] <brousch> PainBank: It's not bad if your application fits its limited features
[13:04] <PainBank> broush: but all it really does for you is give a single consistent device API to code against yes?  In the end, the packaging of the html app to device has to be done in each app environ, correct?
[13:04] <brousch> Yes
[13:04] <brousch> If you want an iOS app, you have to use OSX
[13:05] <brousch> Also, if you want it to look native on each device, you will end up making different UIs for each platform
[13:06] <brousch> With PhoneGap, you are making a web page, so the entire design is on you
[13:07] <brousch> Supposedly Appcelerator Titanium (cross platform, javascript) is better at making things look native
[13:09] <PainBank> yes, well at that point, you are coding your UI in javascript entirely as well... although to some degree you will do that with the majority of 'html5' frameworks as well.
[13:14] <snap-l> http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-beta <- use offer code beta20 to get 20% off
[13:17] <snap-l> http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/album/syntension-alpha <- offer code alpha50 for 50% off
[13:19] <brousch> PainBank: Are you looking at phonegap for cross-platform or for not needing java?
[13:35] <jrwren> " Having went through the 15″ Macbook Pro, 13″ Macbook Pro and 13″ Macbook Air, and I really feel that Lenovo actually makes more compelling products. "
[13:35] <jrwren> this guy is insane. right there is proof.
[13:36] <brousch> Maybe the Apple crackcoating doesn't work on him
[13:36] <jrwren> his Application Equivalents is interesting. sublime on both tells me that he doesn't use gvim on both :)
[13:37] <jrwren> i'm also amused that the X1 costs more than MacBookAir
[13:42] <jrwren> greg-g: are you ok?
[13:52] <PainBank> brousch: just as a not using java to code an app up
[13:52] <brousch> Kivy looks pretty nice
[13:53] <brousch> You can also make an APK with Python for Android
[13:53] <brousch> Where are those damn PyOhio videos?
[13:54] <PainBank> brousch: no worries
[13:55] <PainBank> also to understand how phonegap is used for xplatform dev
[14:04] <brousch> Everyone I've talked to that uses PhoneGap says they develop on OSX and test with the iPhone emulator because it's so much faster. Then they test on Android once in a while
[14:05] <brousch> Even someone who uses PhoneGap on Windows tests via VNC to OSX running the emulator
[14:09] <PainBank> nice
[14:10] <PainBank> I don't think it is the phone gap part, but the emulator
[14:10] <PainBank> snap-l: one you might like....
[14:10] <PainBank> http://www.shazam.com/discover/track/52842591
[14:11] <PainBank> amzing shazam even makes any money
[14:12] <PainBank> thank you Pandora for the backstory
[14:13] <snap-l> Yeah, I need more volbeat in my life.
[14:17] <PainBank> the leader used to run Dominus, which is heavier... haven't listened to them yet though.
[14:17] <PainBank> wrif was actually playing that song last night...
[14:17] <PainBank> pleasent surprise
[14:59] <brousch> rick_h_: I realized I can put multiple commands in one Makefile command. Now my file will be even more awesome than before!
[15:00] <brousch> I was calling out to script for multiline commands
[15:09] <shakes808> sorry coming in late to the convo. What is this about Pythonn and Andriod?
[15:22] <greg-g> jrwren: why you ask?
[15:32] <greg-g> w00t, my 8 gigs of ram is out for delivery!
[15:33] <greg-g> (the max this laptop can take, contrary to Lenovo's stated max of 4)
[16:02] <jrwren> greg-g: because twitter suggests you watched the RNC on tv. this tells me something may be wrong with you.
[16:15] <_stink_> might be a long shot, but has anyone here made/used a solar cooker before?
[16:18] <greg-g> jrwren: hah, no, didn't watch, retweeted people though
[16:18] <greg-g> _stink_: I once left some milk in my car in the summer, does that count?
[16:19] <_stink_> yes!  you made ricotta.
[16:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Cards Against Humanity is back in stock.
[16:50] <snap-l> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S8F7QM/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B004S8F7QM&adid=17ZNZ0AWZZH2KDW6RHFJ&
[16:56] <waldo323_> _stink_, have you already checked out instructables?
[16:56] <_stink_> waldo323_: naw, i got my plan from http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Cookers_World_Network_(Home)
[16:56] <_stink_> looking now though, thanks
[16:59] <waldo323_> you're welcome
[17:02] <snap-l> greg-g: Pulling out of the loco council
[17:02] <snap-l> ?
[17:05] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, no time, that one actually does work, unlike the Membership Review Boards where I just vote on people :)
[17:28] <brousch> Whew. Multiline command in makefile was a PITA to figure out
[17:40] <jrwren> django folk: how do you manage dev v. prod settings?
[17:47] <brousch> jrwren: There a couple of ways people do it
[17:47] <brousch> Some have a separate settings.py (production) and settings_dev.py
[17:47] <jrwren> yeah, they seem to be well documented https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/SplitSettings
[17:47] <jrwren> but how do YOU like to do it ?  8D
[17:48] <brousch> Some have a settings.py and then settings_prod and settings_dev they import from
[17:48] <brousch> Some make a settings module
[17:48] <brousch> I use separate settings files
[17:48] <jrwren> i'm leaning toward module.
[17:48] <brousch> But that makes for manual changes on the server
[17:48] <jrwren> so I don't duplicate the settings.
[17:49] <brousch> Right, module is probably the best way
[17:49] <brousch> I think static files and settings handling are the most annoying things in Django
[17:51] <jrwren> static files definitely suck
[17:52] <jrwren> the good thing is since it is in your face you have to solve it instead of doing what most people do and letting their handler serve statics too
[17:52] <brousch> I suppose
[17:53] <brousch> Although I know people who are really lazy and use the sev server in prod
[17:54] <brousch> That hard part about settings is keeping secret info out of repositories but still someplace useful
[17:54] <jrwren> that is what I mean.
[17:54] <jrwren> static files make it difficult to use dev server in prod.
[17:55] <jrwren> ah, secret info in repo is not an issue in my case.  but for open source, sure.
[18:36] <suzyq> 49 ferndale female
[18:38] <jrwren> lol, wtf.
[18:41] <greg-g> huh, uhhhh
[18:49] <llua> wat, yarrr.
[18:50] <jrwren> brousch: how do you profile your django apps? debug-toolbar is great for the sql queries, but for compute, what do you use?
[18:53] <brousch> profile?
[18:54] <jrwren> yar, like ipython's %prun
[18:54] <jrwren> cProfile, profile, pstats
[18:54] <jrwren> http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html
[18:55] <jrwren> repose profile looks sweet.
[18:55] <jrwren> but I think this is sweet too: http://backslashn.com/post/505601626/profiling-execution-with-the-django-debug-toolbar
[18:56] <snap-l> Worst thing about writing an article for a magazine: wondering what issue it'll come out
[19:04] <snap-l> OMC is on metalinjection.fm until 6pm ET
[19:05] <snap-l> greg-g: ^^
[19:05] <snap-l> (I promise I'll start laying off the channel reminders. ;) )
[19:06] <greg-g> :)
[19:14] <greg-g> huh, I thought I was a member of the !cc group, I guess not, snap-l :)
[19:26] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not either
[19:26] <greg-g> I remember now it being a bit noisy
[19:26] <greg-g> not unlike cc-community mailing list :)
[19:26] <snap-l> I got off that list a while back
[19:26] <snap-l> the development discussion reminded me why I hate watching sausage-making
[20:16] <shakes808> Language question for the .NET peoples. F# What is it good for?
[20:27] <jrwren> everything.
[20:27] <jrwren> its the greatest .net language.
[20:29] <greg-g> snap-l: what's your referrer for ting?
[20:30] <snap-l> greg-g: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/
[20:31] <snap-l> ANd thank you, if you decide to use it. :)
[20:35] <Blazeix> shakes808: i think F# is really popular in the data analysis and banking worlds
[20:41] <shakes808> what is the advantages for F# over just C#
[20:49] <greg-g> snap-l: dude, that gets me $25 off too!
[20:49] <greg-g> sweet
[20:50] <greg-g> I thought I was just being a good friend and giving you a credit
[20:52] <greg-g> huh, it lets me upgrade from 10 business day shipping to 3 for free :)
[20:59] <greg-g> snap-l: alright, I hit buy :)
[21:03] <snap-l> greg-g: Awesome. THank you.
[21:09] <jrwren> snap-l: are you familiar with And One?
[21:10] <jrwren> if you are, this may make you LOl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1ioVPlWzA
[21:14] <snap-l> Not familiar with them
[21:14] <snap-l> but yeah, I love these.
[21:14] <snap-l> SImilar to Eisbrecher.