[00:00] <Unit193> Need to register with nickserv, there is a quiet on $~a
[00:00] <Unit193> !nicksetup
[00:01] <xubuntu865> ok ty
[01:34] <Orangestar> Well, the lowest point of my day is now "You couldn't install Xubuntu because you were too impatient for the installer to start up."
[01:35] <holstein> maybe try the alternate iso.. might get to the installation quicker
[01:35] <Orangestar> Nah, it's working now.
[02:25] <Hobbit> hello?
[02:26] <Hobbit> anyone here?
[02:26] <pleia2> !hello
[02:26] <pleia2> doh
[02:26] <pleia2> !hi
[02:26] <pleia2> you can just ask :) if people know how to help they will reply
[02:28] <Hobbit> I am trying to install xubuntu from xp desktop, but I'm having some trouble getting it to load: I downloaded the iso from here: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ and tried to open it with Daemon tools, but it just opened the iso as if it were a flash drive instead of loading the installer.
[02:29] <pleia2> Hobbit: are you trying to install it with wubi?
[02:30] <Hobbit> I think so
[02:30] <pleia2> that would be installing it inside of windows
[02:30] <Hobbit> I would prefer to partition the hard drive
[02:31] <pleia2> ok, then you need to either put it on a USB stick or a CD
[02:31] <pleia2> then you boot your computer from it, you don't load the installer inside of Windows
[02:31] <Unit193> May as well use LiLo to put it on a USB and boot from that (or CD)
[02:31] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation explains a bunch of ways it can be installed :)
[02:32] <Hobbit> once before I installed a partition on the hard-drive from the desktop - is that still possible?
[02:32] <pleia2> if you use wubi it creates a large file inside of windows that runs Ubuntu
[02:32] <pleia2> but no, you can't install it on a partition while windows is running
[02:33] <Hobbit> wubi is slower, right?
[02:33] <pleia2> I don't know, I've never used it
[02:34] <Hobbit> thanks pleia2, Ill read the link and check back.
[02:34] <Unit193> Wouldn't recommend wubi though.
[02:35] <holstein> eh. it worked ok for me a few times.. one time it went *realy* bad
[02:37] <Hobbit> "The desktop CD allows you to try Xubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later." Does that use wubi? (found here: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/)
[02:38] <holstein> Hobbit: you can have wubi use that iso
[02:38] <holstein> Hobbit: what do you want?
[02:39] <Hobbit> does the "intall it permanently later mean that it would be within windows?
[02:39] <Hobbit> II would like to partition the hard-drive
[02:39] <holstein> if you want to install xubuntu, then i say go for it.. back up your data (either way) and know how to recover the master boot record if you need
[02:40] <holstein> grab a CD.. boot it.. follow the instuctions about installing it "beside" windows
[02:40] <holstein> the wubi is installed "inside" windows.. the live CD is a tool you can use to look at the ubuntu desktop and install it if you want
[02:41] <holstein> with a wubi, you dont boot windows to get to xubuntu.. but its sharing the windows file system somehow, and doesnt need to partition the drive
[02:41] <Hobbit> would you try using a flash drive to install xubuntu?
[02:41] <holstein> witn the live CD... you can shrink the parition downand install xubuntu beside it
[02:41] <holstein> Hobbit: you can.. what do you want to do?
[02:42] <Hobbit> a flash drive would be easier
[02:42] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ is what i typically use
[02:42] <unheeding> yeah untebootin is key
[02:42] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick runs it down pretty good
[02:42] <unheeding> hard drive didn't work for me, i needed a USB drive
[02:55] <Hobbit> For booting from a flashdrive I need the " Alternative Installation CD" right?
[02:55] <Hobbit> *not the "Live Desktop CD"
[02:55] <pleia2> you can use a regular install cd
[02:55] <Hobbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GettingUbuntu
[02:55] <Hobbit> which one?
[02:56] <pleia2> the xubuntu one you already downloaded is fine
[02:56] <Hobbit> the desktop one?
[02:56] <pleia2> sure
[02:57] <Hobbit> kewl
[02:57] <unheeding> "kewl" lawl
[02:58] <Hobbit> do I need to " verify the md5 sum or sha256 sum (hash) of the .iso file."?
[02:58] <unheeding> if you want to be sure you have an uncorrupted version
[02:58] <unheeding> you don't have to though
[02:58] <Hobbit> would you?
[02:59] <unheeding> i didn't when i installed xubuntu
[02:59] <Hobbit> thx, I won't either
[03:00] <unheeding> risky business, my Hobbit friend
[03:03] <Hobbit> Hobbits are used to risk business
[03:04] <unheeding> man i love xfce
[03:04] <unheeding> so sleek
[03:08] <Hobbit> does xubuntu use xfce?
[03:08] <unheeding> xubuntu IS xfce
[03:08] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu with XFCE
[03:08] <Hobbit> lol I love xfce too
[03:08] <unheeding> okay he said it better
[03:09] <Hobbit> ubuntu is just too foreign for me
[03:09] <holstein> too unfamiliar?
[03:10] <unheeding> ubuntu is easy.  i love apt-get
[03:11] <Hobbit> I could never get the drivers for flash and stuff working in mozilla on ubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> i usually suggest trying chrome as a troubleshooting step, since the 32bit version of chrome has its own flash
[03:12] <Hobbit> I tried ubuntu before chrome existed
[03:16] <holstein> right.. its much easier and more stable (for now) to get flash
[03:25] <Hobbit> I am trying to locate the desktop iso with "Universal USB Installer", which won't recognize the iso file on my desktop
[05:42] <deadghost> I'm trying to install through YUMI usb boot but keep getting initramfs unable to find medium containing a live file system
[05:42] <deadghost> is there any way to install it through windows?
[05:43] <deadghost> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-with-windows
[05:43] <deadghost> ^that but xubuntu
[06:04] <deadghost> oh apparently wubi lets me pick xubuntu
[06:04] <deadghost> neat
[07:43] <hermanlf> anyone else getting screen tearing with the bumblebee driver?
[07:44] <hermanlf> if I use compiz there is no screen tearing.  I'd rather not use compiz.
[07:44] <TheSheep> I don't think that bulblebee is in whidespread use here
[07:44] <TheSheep> bumble*
[07:44] <TheSheep> hermanlf: out of curiosity, what laptop do you have?
[07:45] <hermanlf> Alienware m14x
[07:46] <Sysi> xfwm4 compositing causes tearing because xrender lacks sync to vblank
[07:46] <hermanlf> no fixes?
[07:48] <Sysi> if you definitely need compositing I can give you script you can bind to hotkey/launcher to toggle compositing on/off
[07:50] <hermanlf> screen tearing happens with and without compositing.
[07:51] <TheSheep> I think it may be related to how bumblebee copies the screen from the nvidia card
[07:51] <TheSheep> I remember reading about them planning to do it in a more efficient way in the future
[07:52] <hermanlf> Guess I'll just go back to using compiz to get rid of the issue.
[11:17] <xubuntu916> Ciao
[11:17] <xubuntu916> Chi mi puo dare una mano per far collegare ubuntun con un scheda wi fi  ?
[11:45] <xubuntu509> hello, just installed Xubuntu but the login screen is set on the wrong resolution, how can I change it?
[12:12] <Os_Maleus> hi together! I have a bit trouble with updating java. I have several versions located in /usr/lib/jvm/. this already makes me wonder a bit. java -version tells me, I would have the version 6b. under /usr/lib/jvm/ I can find folders with "java-1.5.0-gcj-4.6", "java-6-openjdk", "java-7-openjdk-common" and "java-7-openjdk-i386" among others.
[12:16] <Os_Maleus> I managed to download the newest release of that thing. should be the jre-7u7-linux-i586.rpm (for a 32Bit version of Xubuntu).
[12:16] <bazhang> you never use rpm for that sort of thing
[12:18] <bazhang> !java | Os_Maleus please have a read
[12:30] <Os_Maleus> I am a bit confused now. the testpage for java (http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp) keeps on telling me, that I would not have installed the latest version.
[12:31] <Os_Maleus> the homepage of java tells me, there would be no manual updating for the developers version of java necessary, since it would be done automatically.
[12:32] <Os_Maleus> and I have here this hand full of versions on my machine, but checking the version on the terminal, it confirms that it would be an older version.
[12:33] <holstein> Os_Maleus: i would remove the versions you have installed, and consider using the one bazhang linked from the official repositories
[12:34] <holstein> when you go out on your own wih package management, sometimes it can be challenging to clean things up
[12:41] <mixed> hello i need help, i've just install xubuntu and i can't add any input methods. When i enter ibus preferences and go into 'input method' i can only add chinese methods
[13:58] <Os_Maleus> bazhang and holstein, following the link for installation, it said to 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java'. performing it, it sais "There are no actual Java files in this PPA. More info: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html", but there actually are files listed.
[14:02] <holstein> Os_Maleus: what would you like to do?
[14:02] <Os_Maleus> still installing/updating my java
[14:02] <holstein> what does http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp tell you about your version?
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> is still the old one 6b24.
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> java version "1.6.0_24"
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.3) (6b24-1.11.3-1ubuntu0.11.10.1)
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> OpenJDK Server VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode)
[14:03] <holstein> have you installed the newer one? what do you see when you open a package manager and search java?
[14:03] <holstein> Os_Maleus: you likely dont want "iced tea"
[14:04] <holstein> i would undo all your previous attempts and installs.. im not sure what you used to instal that .rpm.. alien?
[14:05] <Os_Maleus> to be honest, I don't remember myself anymore. could have been in the connection with the eclipse?
[14:05]  * holstein shrugs... i would just open a package manager and seach "java"... synaptic is a nice options
[14:05] <holstein> option*
[14:08] <Os_Maleus> synaptics pagacge manager sais "java-common (0.42ubuntu2)" and "java-wrapper 0.1.22"
[14:09] <holstein> when you
[14:09] <holstein> "reload" or run sudo apt-get update do you get errors?
[14:10] <Os_Maleus> no, not until now.
[14:10] <Os_Maleus> and it still shows the same
[14:11] <holstein> and java -version ?
[14:11] <holstein> still 1.6.x
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> sure.
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> no errors.
[14:12] <holstein> Os_Maleus: you ran sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer ?
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> even I have there some other versions on my system?
[14:13] <Os_Maleus> I didn't run it until now.
[14:13] <holstein> Os_Maleus: if you'd like to try and recall how you installed them, and properly remove them, that wouldnt hurt
[14:13] <holstein> Os_Maleus: otherwise, the next step is to try this update
[14:14] <Os_Maleus> so just installing the oracle-java-7-installer? without deinstalling the other stuff?
[14:15] <holstein> Os_Maleus: if you dont want to or cant remember how you installed java before
[14:18] <holstein> what would i do? if i were in a hurry, i would just add that ppa and install v7
[14:18] <Os_Maleus> now it shows "java version "1.7.0_07""
[14:19] <holstein> sounds good!
[14:20] <Os_Maleus> thanks!
[14:20] <holstein> sure... enjoy!
[14:20] <Os_Maleus> the other is OpenJDK, what is installed here. ... will take a look, why and how. :-)
[14:21] <Os_Maleus> but thank You both, holstein and bazhang!
[14:24] <xubuntu549> Could I upgrade from 32bit ubuntu to 64bit online, without cd/dvd or flashdrive?
[14:26] <holstein> xubuntu549: thats not really an "upgrade"
[14:26] <holstein> if it were me, i would just backup and reinstall
[14:26] <xubuntu549> so could I do it
[14:27] <holstein> xubuntu549: its all open, so you can technically do anything you like
[14:27] <holstein> the way to do it is to backup and reinstall
[14:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/153379/can-i-upgrade-ubuntu-12-04-from-32-bit-to-64-bit
[14:28] <holstein> you can save your /home or sync to ubuntuone
[14:28] <holstein> i would look at why you want to move to 64 bit, and consider just waiting til the next time you want to upgrade or reinstall
[14:28] <xubuntu549> k tnx holstein
[15:19] <theuser> Hi
[15:20] <theuser> Back i the day before i got lazy, i ran a slackware box with multiple screen and one set of input devices per screen
[15:20] <theuser> Could i do the same in ubuntu without fighting the system?
[15:24] <theuser> Where did the Xorg   config file go
[15:29] <TheSheep> theuser: it's not needed, but if you create it, it will be respected
[15:29] <TheSheep> !xorg | theuser
[15:29] <TheSheep> !xorgconf | theuser
[15:31] <theuser> So i can set up multiple displays with separate input devices attached to each one
[15:31] <theuser> and fire up an xdm on each of them
[15:32] <TheSheep> probably, (x)ubuntu uses a normal xorg, so if you could do that on slack, you should be able to do it here
[15:32] <theuser> im missing a bunch of stuff in the /etc folder
[15:33] <TheSheep> like what?
[15:33] <theuser> but i think thats just difference between ubuntu and slack
[15:34] <TheSheep> possibly, if you tell me what you are missing, I might be able to tell you where it is
[15:35] <theuser> for the past five years i've pretty much just been using the computer for office type stuff and not messing about in the guts of the system. So it may be about time to refresh some stuff
[15:35] <theuser> I hear slack arent quite the dependency hell anymore either
[15:35] <theuser> :-p
[15:35] <theuser> The init files
[15:35] <theuser> the one that fires up X the way ubuntu wants to fire up X
[15:35] <GridCube> lightdm?
[15:35] <GridCube> O_o
[15:36] <theuser> i assume i have to mess with it to make it launch X the way i want
[15:37] <theuser> Its about time to upgrade the tech where i work so i'm kind of lobbying for a halfthin linux solution
[15:38] <theuser> like 99% of the people can get all their work done in open source software with litle or no learning curve
[15:38] <theuser> so why not spend more money on some beefyer hardware, better yet some fullHD LEd screens
[15:40] <TheSheep> theuser: ok, that's complicated in ubuntu. the session files are in /usr/share/Xorg/sessions
[15:40] <TheSheep> theuser: the lightdm config is in /etc/lightdm
[15:40] <TheSheep> but you can install gdm instead and have all the familiar stuff
[15:40] <theuser> better yet
[15:41] <theuser> good old xdm
[15:41] <TheSheep> I didn't know it still exists XD
[15:45] <theuser> it dont?
[15:45] <theuser> Fk
[15:46] <theuser> i'll dig up some old slack cd
[15:46] <theuser> install slackware 7
[15:46] <TheSheep> just kidding
[15:46] <theuser> and rock out with netskape
[15:46] <TheSheep> !xdm
[15:46] <TheSheep> !info xdm
[15:46] <theuser> lynx and pine
[15:47] <theuser> fk X!
[15:47] <theuser> anyway
[15:47] <theuser> thanks for your time
[15:47] <theuser> bye
[15:47]  * TheSheep prefers w3m and mutt
[15:48] <GridCube> theuser, :) question, do you have a problem with xubuntu? if not please use #xubuntu-offtopic to random chatter :)
[15:48]  * GridCube lags
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: yeah, that was a problem with xubuntu
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: and it got solved
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: and he left already
[16:33] <vn> is eSATA hot plug on Ubuntu live CD?