[07:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Is network broken in Kubuntu 12.10?
[07:29] <ripps> what do i need to remove to convert my ubuntu into pure gnomebuntu?
[07:29] <phoenix_firebrd> ripps: remove the kde-runtime and it will remove all the kde stuff with it
[08:28] <ripps> that not what I meant, ubunt-gnome-desktop dropped in the repos for pure-gnome without unity. I want to know what to remove to get a pure ubuntu gnome edition
[08:39] <Walther> Is there a way to disable bluetooth by default on startup?
[08:43] <Walther> Running powertop shows 100% usage on both my "Audio codec"s and reports a rather high wattage for each. Is there a way around this? (This happens even when sound should be idle)
[09:43] <ironhalik> so, is nvidia-current package solid by now? :)
[09:58] <WarOfTheNerd> ironhalik, wasn't working when I tried Alpha3
[09:58]  * WarOfTheNerd has Software Centre purchases though, and those don't integrate until release, so can't test anymore :(
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:47] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hey - don't do that - it tickles!
[12:49] <BluesKaj> well, i manged to get you to use my real nick didn't I ...instaed of burger king (BK) , penguin42
[12:49] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:49]  * penguin42 flame grills BluesKaj
[13:44] <yofel_> ironhalik: nvidia works fine for me now
[13:52] <BluesKaj> yofel, i had some segfaults yesterday with kde apps like kate and even the bug reporter . but all seems better now after reinstalling the nvidia-current driver
[13:57] <yofel> odd
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , and the backtrace didn't show much '
[16:29] <h00k> my compiz is still quite crashy
[17:20] <penguin42> hmm not good, todays server image won't boot after install
[17:23] <penguin42> 2nd try worked - hmm
[17:56] <penguin42> hmm, repeatable
[18:09] <BluesKaj> installed kdm and at least now i can login with the gui , lightdm wasn't giving me a login page so i had to use the tty ...still few bugs to fix in that area
[18:10] <BluesKaj> on kde here
[18:10] <trism> with lightdm-kde-greeter?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> trism, yes the lightdm greeter was installed with lightdm , noe I get the old fashioned but working kdm greeter
[18:24] <BluesKaj> noe=now
[18:36] <h00k> my compiz is much better today
[18:37] <htorque> hi all! i got some problems making unity work: i took part in the gconf-less unity/compiz test with the ppa. worked fine except for one crasher bug, but once regular updates came in, i can no longer start unity.
[18:37] <htorque> just getting "compizconfig - Error: NULL encountered while reading GConf setting" - any ideas?
[18:38] <ironhalik> uninstalling nvidia-current reverts to nouveau?
[18:38] <h00k> ironhalik: it should, yes
[18:39] <ironhalik> ok, lets hope I wont need it
[18:39] <ironhalik> ah, and btw
[18:39] <ironhalik> whats the difference between nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates?
[18:39] <ironhalik> I understand there are additional ubuntu patches in the latter?
[18:40] <penguin42> I think it tends to be different versions from Nvidia doesn't it?
[18:41] <ironhalik> post release updates maybe?
[18:41] <ironhalik> ah nvm, Ill go with nvidia-current
[18:41] <ironhalik> thanks
[18:46] <omichalek> hi all, my system gets stuck in the middle of shutting down, can you help me what log to look into?
[18:49] <omichalek> when I jump from the graphical screen it says "fontconfig warning: etc/fonts/conf.d..." among other things, but I suppose that's not holding it, right?
[18:50] <jtaylor> the fontconfig warnings should not cause the shutdown issue
[18:51] <omichalek> jtaylor: dmesg is relevant only for the current session, am I right?
[18:53] <jtaylor> omichalek: yes, but some of the logs in /var/log not
[18:54] <omichalek> jtaylor: cat /var/log/syslog is pretty long, should I dig in there?
[18:54] <jtaylor> yes thats probably a good place to start
[18:59] <ironhalik> is it the changes in unity or am I on unity-2d after installing nvidia-current
[19:03] <gotwig> ironhalik: ĺol?
[19:03] <gotwig> ironhalik: not normal
[19:03] <ironhalik> the dash got somewhat darker, like in unity 2d
[19:05] <ironhalik> ok, I guess not - I uninstalled unity-2d :P
[19:06] <trism> ironhalik: unity-2d is just an empty package now anyway
[20:31] <scarrs> I cannot get the virtual desktops to work in gnome classic or cairo dock sessions, is this a known bug?
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> Virtual desktops or workspaces?
[22:02] <kypor> hello. Just set up Ubuntu 12.10. Is there a way to install the ATI driver?
[22:32] <LLStarks> any way to get rid of the fontconfig errors?
[22:37] <jbicha> LLStarks: basically just wait until bug 1034928 is fixed
[22:41] <penguin42> other than being annoying it doesn't seem to have any other effects; although a few people are misreporting hangs with the fontconfig because it's the last thing visible before it dies
[22:47] <kypor> hello. Just set up Ubuntu 12.10. Is there a way to install the ATI driver?
[22:50] <WarOfTheNerd> kypor, you'll have to use ATI's installer
[22:50] <WarOfTheNerd> kypor, with all the alphas there usually aren't any up to date proprietary drivers packaged
[22:50] <WarOfTheNerd> kypor, in fact, NVIDIA still haven't caught up with 12.10's Xorg version yet
[22:51] <kypor> I see ... will that mess up things in the long run though?
[22:51] <penguin42> it'll sort itself out
[22:51] <penguin42> kypor: Out of interest, how are the open ati drivers working for you - the ones that you get if you don't install the ATI ones?
[22:52] <kypor> they are fine for sure. I wanted to see how a game in Steam will play out though. I want to try the prop driver with wine/steam/Civ5 basically
[22:52] <Daekdroom> !daily
[22:53] <Daekdroom> Has anyone had any issue with dailies lately?
[22:53] <Daekdroom> I'm thinking of reinstalling Quantal.
[22:53] <penguin42> Daekdroom: The one I installed last week didn't install unity by default; the server iso seems OK this week (although it has a problem with graphics in VMs sometimes)
[22:55] <Daekdroom> I think I'll do it the safer way and download the Alpha3 iso
[22:55] <Daekdroom> Now to the backup process!
[22:56] <dlentz> hi penguin42
[22:57] <penguin42> hi
[22:57] <dlentz> bug 1044725
[22:58] <dlentz>  Can this bug be marked as Triaged/High since it severely impacts users?
[22:58] <WarOfTheNerd> dlentz, it's blocked by upstream
[22:59] <dlentz> okay
[23:00] <dlentz> thanks for your time/attention
[23:01] <trism> well, nvidia-current is updated for abi 13 since last week, so the detection scripts may just need updating
[23:01] <penguin42> dlentz: This stuff normally works out by release
[23:02]  * penguin42 is interested how well the open drivers work for people these days - as an ATI user who always uses the open drivers I'm happy, but I'm not a gamer and my card doesn't have a fan
[23:02] <dlentz> penguin42, one would hope so...
[23:03] <penguin42> dlentz: So, how far does the open nvidia driver get for you on your card?
[23:04] <dlentz> i'm just the triager, i use radeon driver myself ;)
[23:04] <penguin42> haha ok
[23:05] <penguin42> WarOfTheNerd: Do you know if there is a reference bug for the nvidia stuff?
[23:06] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it still doesn't work for HD7xxx cards, iirc
[23:06] <Daekdroom> (unless they're rebrands)
[23:06] <Daekdroom> and the powermanagement is still crap.
[23:06] <Daekdroom> dynamic clock/voltage adjustments still cause screen flicker so it's disabled by default.
[23:07] <Daekdroom> and even when enabled it doesn't save power/drop temperature as much as Catalyst or the Windows drivers.... It makes me sad :(
[23:08] <penguin42> Daekdroom: :-(
[23:08] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh they're normally one rev behind, so it doesn't surprise me about the 7xxx - and that explains why the stuff is disabled by default, which is annoying
[23:08] <Daekdroom> There's the anecdote by the AMD developers that Catalyst's powermanagement has more code than the entire open source stack.
[23:09] <trism> penguin42: he may be thinking bug 1037896 which is why abi 13 was briefly removed, but that was fixed with 304.43
[23:09] <penguin42> power management is evil stuff
[23:11] <LLStarks> thanks jbicha
[23:12] <LLStarks> btw, if it's any interest to the desktop team, 12.10 now has 97% of needed prime code for optimus laptops. all that's missing is the intel ddx, nouveau ddx, and xrandr 1.4 tool
[23:13] <penguin42> is that code out there that could go in?
[23:13] <Daekdroom> I think it's too late for them to include all that code.
[23:14] <Daekdroom> And I suspect part of that code is not even in a stable release yet.
[23:14] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[23:15] <LLStarks> Daekdroom, prime needs to be ported to sna. it's uxa only at the moment.
[23:15] <LLStarks> that's a 13.04 target
[23:15] <penguin42> rabid rodent?
[23:15] <LLStarks> as is nvidia blob support for prime
[23:17] <LLStarks> penguin42, raging rhesus
[23:18] <Daekdroom> restless rabbit
[23:30] <Daekdroom> It is best to burn my Quantal DVD-R using the slowest speed possible, right?
[23:30] <histo> It's best to burn it without errors
[23:30] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Why are you burning it - use a thumb drive
[23:30] <Daekdroom> penguin42, .... I still don't have a thumb drive.
[23:31] <Daekdroom> and I have no idea why.
[23:31] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Slap yourself on the head - hard
[23:31]  * Daekdroom slaps himself lightly, but 4 times
[23:32] <penguin42> hmm
[23:32] <Daekdroom> Well, I do some spare cash that I can do whatever I want to with.
[23:32] <Daekdroom> Buying a decent thumb drive is an option.
[23:32] <Daekdroom> But I don't feel like aborting my reinstalling plans for tonight.
[23:33] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'd say just notch it down one from the top speed supported by the drive and media
[23:33] <Daekdroom> Hm, kk.
[23:34] <penguin42> but it only takes one failure to remind you that you should be using a thumb drive
[23:34] <Daekdroom> I have a total of 4 DVD-Rs to ruin.
[23:34] <penguin42> ah, should only take 5 goes then :-)
[23:35] <Daekdroom> Considering how many Ubuntu CDs/DVDs I have burnt, a thumb drive might have paid itself by now.
[23:35] <penguin42> they're ludicrously cheap now anyway
[23:36] <Daekdroom> How much is a 16GiB thumb drive in the US?
[23:36] <penguin42> in the UK it's under 10GBP now
[23:37] <penguin42> hmm, 6.25 apparently :-)
[23:37] <Daekdroom> That would be about 20 BRL
[23:37] <trism> looks like ~$10 in US
[23:38] <Daekdroom> But according to the website I'm looking at, they cost twice as much here in Brazil.
[23:38] <Daekdroom> :(
[23:38] <penguin42> Daekdroom: They've dropped a lot recently, so makesure you use somewhere competitive and there is a big range
[23:38]  * penguin42 gently wonders if they have Amazon in Brazil, but that would be kind of silly....
[23:39] <Daekdroom> Amazon does ship to here in Brazil, but I once tried to buy a headphone and the shipment was like 40 dollars.
[23:39] <Daekdroom> So buying something so cheap is out of question.
[23:40] <penguin42> hmm, I'm kind of surprised, even to us here in the UK it's obvious there is a big tech community in Brazil
[23:41] <Daekdroom> It's not a small market for these products. It's about huge taxes on them and stratospheric profits
[23:42] <Daekdroom> Well, I'll dig for a thumbdrive later. Time for reinstall.
[23:42] <Daekdroom> See ya later.