=== trijntje__ is now known as trijntje === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje [07:21] Is network broken in Kubuntu 12.10? [07:29] what do i need to remove to convert my ubuntu into pure gnomebuntu? [07:29] ripps: remove the kde-runtime and it will remove all the kde stuff with it [08:28] that not what I meant, ubunt-gnome-desktop dropped in the repos for pure-gnome without unity. I want to know what to remove to get a pure ubuntu gnome edition [08:39] Is there a way to disable bluetooth by default on startup? [08:43] Running powertop shows 100% usage on both my "Audio codec"s and reports a rather high wattage for each. Is there a way around this? (This happens even when sound should be idle) [09:43] so, is nvidia-current package solid by now? :) [09:58] ironhalik, wasn't working when I tried Alpha3 [09:58] * WarOfTheNerd has Software Centre purchases though, and those don't integrate until release, so can't test anymore :( === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje === ripps_ is now known as ripps === 18WABWV61 is now known as AlexZion [12:16] Hiyas all [12:25] Hey BK [12:47] BluesKaj: Hey - don't do that - it tickles! [12:49] well, i manged to get you to use my real nick didn't I ...instaed of burger king (BK) , penguin42 [12:49] :) [12:49] * penguin42 flame grills BluesKaj [13:44] ironhalik: nvidia works fine for me now === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:52] yofel, i had some segfaults yesterday with kde apps like kate and even the bug reporter . but all seems better now after reinstalling the nvidia-current driver [13:57] odd [14:03] yeah , and the backtrace didn't show much ' === jtaylor_ is now known as jtaylor [16:29] my compiz is still quite crashy [17:20] hmm not good, todays server image won't boot after install [17:23] 2nd try worked - hmm [17:56] hmm, repeatable [18:09] installed kdm and at least now i can login with the gui , lightdm wasn't giving me a login page so i had to use the tty ...still few bugs to fix in that area [18:10] on kde here [18:10] with lightdm-kde-greeter? [18:24] trism, yes the lightdm greeter was installed with lightdm , noe I get the old fashioned but working kdm greeter [18:24] noe=now [18:36] my compiz is much better today [18:37] hi all! i got some problems making unity work: i took part in the gconf-less unity/compiz test with the ppa. worked fine except for one crasher bug, but once regular updates came in, i can no longer start unity. [18:37] just getting "compizconfig - Error: NULL encountered while reading GConf setting" - any ideas? [18:38] uninstalling nvidia-current reverts to nouveau? [18:38] ironhalik: it should, yes [18:39] ok, lets hope I wont need it [18:39] ah, and btw [18:39] whats the difference between nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates? [18:39] I understand there are additional ubuntu patches in the latter? [18:40] I think it tends to be different versions from Nvidia doesn't it? [18:41] post release updates maybe? [18:41] ah nvm, Ill go with nvidia-current [18:41] thanks [18:46] hi all, my system gets stuck in the middle of shutting down, can you help me what log to look into? [18:49] when I jump from the graphical screen it says "fontconfig warning: etc/fonts/conf.d..." among other things, but I suppose that's not holding it, right? [18:50] the fontconfig warnings should not cause the shutdown issue [18:51] jtaylor: dmesg is relevant only for the current session, am I right? [18:53] omichalek: yes, but some of the logs in /var/log not [18:54] jtaylor: cat /var/log/syslog is pretty long, should I dig in there? [18:54] yes thats probably a good place to start [18:59] is it the changes in unity or am I on unity-2d after installing nvidia-current [19:03] ironhalik: ĺol? [19:03] ironhalik: not normal [19:03] the dash got somewhat darker, like in unity 2d [19:05] ok, I guess not - I uninstalled unity-2d :P [19:06] ironhalik: unity-2d is just an empty package now anyway === matrixa1 is now known as Supersaiyan_IV [20:31] I cannot get the virtual desktops to work in gnome classic or cairo dock sessions, is this a known bug? [20:34] Virtual desktops or workspaces? [22:02] hello. Just set up Ubuntu 12.10. Is there a way to install the ATI driver? [22:32] any way to get rid of the fontconfig errors? [22:37] LLStarks: basically just wait until bug 1034928 is fixed [22:37] Launchpad bug 1034928 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Fontconfig warning: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not works as expected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034928 [22:41] other than being annoying it doesn't seem to have any other effects; although a few people are misreporting hangs with the fontconfig because it's the last thing visible before it dies [22:47] hello. Just set up Ubuntu 12.10. Is there a way to install the ATI driver? [22:50] kypor, you'll have to use ATI's installer [22:50] kypor, with all the alphas there usually aren't any up to date proprietary drivers packaged [22:50] kypor, in fact, NVIDIA still haven't caught up with 12.10's Xorg version yet [22:51] I see ... will that mess up things in the long run though? [22:51] it'll sort itself out [22:51] kypor: Out of interest, how are the open ati drivers working for you - the ones that you get if you don't install the ATI ones? [22:52] they are fine for sure. I wanted to see how a game in Steam will play out though. I want to try the prop driver with wine/steam/Civ5 basically [22:52] !daily [22:52] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [22:53] Has anyone had any issue with dailies lately? [22:53] I'm thinking of reinstalling Quantal. [22:53] Daekdroom: The one I installed last week didn't install unity by default; the server iso seems OK this week (although it has a problem with graphics in VMs sometimes) [22:55] I think I'll do it the safer way and download the Alpha3 iso [22:55] Now to the backup process! [22:56] hi penguin42 [22:57] hi [22:57] bug 1044725 [22:57] Launchpad bug 1044725 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Additional Drivers is empty for nvidia" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044725 [22:58] Can this bug be marked as Triaged/High since it severely impacts users? [22:58] dlentz, it's blocked by upstream [22:59] okay [23:00] thanks for your time/attention [23:01] well, nvidia-current is updated for abi 13 since last week, so the detection scripts may just need updating [23:01] dlentz: This stuff normally works out by release [23:02] * penguin42 is interested how well the open drivers work for people these days - as an ATI user who always uses the open drivers I'm happy, but I'm not a gamer and my card doesn't have a fan [23:02] penguin42, one would hope so... [23:03] dlentz: So, how far does the open nvidia driver get for you on your card? [23:04] i'm just the triager, i use radeon driver myself ;) [23:04] haha ok [23:05] WarOfTheNerd: Do you know if there is a reference bug for the nvidia stuff? [23:06] penguin42, it still doesn't work for HD7xxx cards, iirc [23:06] (unless they're rebrands) [23:06] and the powermanagement is still crap. [23:06] dynamic clock/voltage adjustments still cause screen flicker so it's disabled by default. [23:07] and even when enabled it doesn't save power/drop temperature as much as Catalyst or the Windows drivers.... It makes me sad :( [23:08] Daekdroom: :-( [23:08] Daekdroom: Yeh they're normally one rev behind, so it doesn't surprise me about the 7xxx - and that explains why the stuff is disabled by default, which is annoying [23:08] There's the anecdote by the AMD developers that Catalyst's powermanagement has more code than the entire open source stack. [23:09] penguin42: he may be thinking bug 1037896 which is why abi 13 was briefly removed, but that was fixed with 304.43 [23:09] Launchpad bug 1037896 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Quantal) "Starting Firefox kills xserver immediately when using 2D desktop" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037896 [23:09] power management is evil stuff [23:11] thanks jbicha [23:12] btw, if it's any interest to the desktop team, 12.10 now has 97% of needed prime code for optimus laptops. all that's missing is the intel ddx, nouveau ddx, and xrandr 1.4 tool [23:13] is that code out there that could go in? [23:13] I think it's too late for them to include all that code. [23:14] And I suspect part of that code is not even in a stable release yet. [23:14] !schedule [23:14] A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [23:15] Daekdroom, prime needs to be ported to sna. it's uxa only at the moment. [23:15] that's a 13.04 target [23:15] rabid rodent? [23:15] as is nvidia blob support for prime [23:17] penguin42, raging rhesus [23:18] restless rabbit [23:30] It is best to burn my Quantal DVD-R using the slowest speed possible, right? [23:30] It's best to burn it without errors [23:30] Daekdroom: Why are you burning it - use a thumb drive [23:30] penguin42, .... I still don't have a thumb drive. [23:31] and I have no idea why. [23:31] Daekdroom: Slap yourself on the head - hard [23:31] * Daekdroom slaps himself lightly, but 4 times [23:32] hmm [23:32] Well, I do some spare cash that I can do whatever I want to with. [23:32] Buying a decent thumb drive is an option. [23:32] But I don't feel like aborting my reinstalling plans for tonight. [23:33] Daekdroom: I'd say just notch it down one from the top speed supported by the drive and media [23:33] Hm, kk. [23:34] but it only takes one failure to remind you that you should be using a thumb drive [23:34] I have a total of 4 DVD-Rs to ruin. [23:34] ah, should only take 5 goes then :-) [23:35] Considering how many Ubuntu CDs/DVDs I have burnt, a thumb drive might have paid itself by now. [23:35] they're ludicrously cheap now anyway [23:36] How much is a 16GiB thumb drive in the US? [23:36] in the UK it's under 10GBP now [23:37] hmm, 6.25 apparently :-) [23:37] That would be about 20 BRL [23:37] looks like ~$10 in US [23:38] But according to the website I'm looking at, they cost twice as much here in Brazil. [23:38] :( [23:38] Daekdroom: They've dropped a lot recently, so makesure you use somewhere competitive and there is a big range [23:38] * penguin42 gently wonders if they have Amazon in Brazil, but that would be kind of silly.... [23:39] Amazon does ship to here in Brazil, but I once tried to buy a headphone and the shipment was like 40 dollars. [23:39] So buying something so cheap is out of question. [23:40] hmm, I'm kind of surprised, even to us here in the UK it's obvious there is a big tech community in Brazil [23:41] It's not a small market for these products. It's about huge taxes on them and stratospheric profits [23:42] Well, I'll dig for a thumbdrive later. Time for reinstall. [23:42] See ya later.