[00:19] <aguitel> is Gnomebuntu a real project ?
[00:19] <bazhang> not official, as of now, but very real
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> yeah I heard that on omgubuntu
[00:19] <aguitel> bazhang, and what is the difference from ubuntu ?
[00:20] <bazhang> aguitel, no idea, the details have not been released
[00:20] <aguitel> maybe gnome 2.x ?
[00:21] <bazhang> no, since gnome2 is dead
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> http://forum.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/gnome-flavoured-ubuntu-spin-coming-october-18th
[00:21] <LLStarks> i love gnome-shell
[00:21] <LLStarks> since i alt+back in firefox
[00:22] <LLStarks> and pressing alt in unity brings up the hud
[00:22] <LLStarks> and the hud sucks
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> LLStarks: works in most browsers, dead handy
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> LLStarks: you can disable hud
[00:22] <LLStarks> unity is still a mess though
[00:23] <LLStarks> and i hate the global menus. at least gnome is trying to make a decent global menu system even if only epiphany can use it right now
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> LLStarks: don't have to use it. LXDE, KDE and XFCE are 3 other options, as well as many others
[01:38] <ripps> ubuntu gnome edition is just ubuntu with gnome-shell only. No lightdm or unity. I think it also installs tracker
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> ripps: what DM does it use then?
[02:16] <ripps> ActionParsnip: DM?
[02:16] <ripps> you mean GDM?
[02:17] <ripps> it uses gdm instead of lightdm
[02:17] <ripps> which isn't too bad these days
[02:30] <pH1rmw4r3> hello
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> i guess
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> i like slim :)
[04:57] <vivid> anyone using kubuntu+1 and kde-telepathy?
[07:52] <krofna> i got error saying that compiz crashed, ubuntu wont load completly, and I and stuck with empty screen with only chrome open because i reported bug to launchpad... What should i do?
[07:54] <vivid> krofna: ctrl+alt+f1, log in, run 'sudo restart lightdm' will get you out of a crashed DE
[08:15] <krofna> I'm still stuck with broken desktop enviroment... sudo restart lightdm doesnt help, same problem...
[09:02] <vivid> krofna: whats broken about it? did you check the logs? try installing gnome-panel and running a legacy gnome without compiz
[09:03] <vivid> krofna: remember youre running an alpha system....you should be prepared to navigate these issues yourself....for the most part
[09:05] <vivid> alternatively, 'DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &' from a tty may help /shrug hard to provide help when i cant just type in the commands myself :D
[09:07] <krofna> vivid: after login only walpaper shows
[09:07] <vivid> for the regular ubuntu unity interface?
[09:07] <krofna> yes
[09:07] <vivid> did you do any customization of compiz?
[09:08] <krofna> no
[09:08] <vivid> well, installing a legacy environment will probably give you a working desktop in the meantime
[09:08] <vivid> you can ctrl+alt+f1 and 'sudo apt-get install gnome-panel'
[09:08] <vivid> then restart lightdm again and select GNOME from the list of environments
[09:08] <vivid> GNOME (No Effects) probably will work
[09:09] <krofna> I'll try, thanks
[12:08] <alex285> hello, I want to switch GTK from ricotz package to Darxus one, to test GTK under wayland
[12:08] <alex285> but I don't know how, as ricotz are newer :)
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <DrHalan> hey, i would like to take over the maintenance of the ogre packages. is that somehow possible?
[14:20] <ikonia> DrHalan: you need to talk to the team who maintain it
[14:20] <jtaylor> DrHalan: ogre is maintained in debian
[14:20] <jtaylor> and actively
[14:20] <jtaylor> why do you want to take over?
[14:20] <ikonia> you'll need to work with the team who maintain it to join the team, show you can maintain it and then participate
[14:21] <ikonia> they are not going to just turn it over to you
[14:37] <DrHalan> yeah that would be fine
[14:37] <DrHalan> i would like to fix some issues. for example this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ogre-1.8/+bug/1041934
[14:38] <DrHalan> i don't really understand how to process in ubuntu is to become a maintainer...
[14:39] <ikonia> DrHalan: you don't need to be the maintainer to fix it
[14:39] <ikonia> DrHalan: just apply a patch to the bug report
[14:41] <DrHalan> there is a patch in the link i posted... also i have a ppa with updated packages..
[14:41] <DrHalan> i would also love if we could enable cg support by default..  i know the debina maintainer won't do it because of licensing issues but i think on ubuntu it coudl be done
[14:43] <DrHalan> generally i would make a step to be more involved in ubuntu. have been an ubuntu user for 5 years now and i think its time to stop doing nothing more than reporting bugs :)
[14:43] <penguin42> that type of thing gets very hairy - you'd have to have a lot of discussion before changing something from debian because you believe the licensing is ok
[14:44] <ikonia> DrHalan: ubuntu takes the package from debian, so it won't change
[14:44] <arand> Ubuntu usually follows Debian's licensing decisions quite closely in my experience, at least for things that are shared...
[14:44] <DrHalan> thats why i would like to patch it in ubuntu. that would move ogre from universe to multiverse however
[14:44]  * penguin42 looks at the thread with that crash that comes down to a piece of code ifdef'd with the comment 'Horrible hack to align the stack to a 16-bytes boundary for gcc.' and shock it breaks on a newer gcc
[14:45]  * ikonia requests penguin42 doesn't do pointless me commands
[14:45] <penguin42> ikonia: Oh sorry, I've never seen anyone dislike /me before
[14:46] <ikonia> thanks
[14:48] <DrHalan> :D
[14:48] <DrHalan> but i don't even understand how such a big project releases such code and doesn't even test in under gcc as it seems..
[14:49] <ikonia> which project ?
[14:49] <DrHalan> OGRE..
[14:49] <penguin42> DrHalan: The upstream guys wil lbuild it on some version of gcc, the debian guys will  take that source at some point, package it and release it, built with whatever their gcc they're using, and Ubuntu mirrors from debian at some points; then debian/and or ubuntu chagne their gcc and rebuild everything - and somethings break
[14:49] <ikonia> DrHalan: so talk to them
[14:50] <DrHalan> yeah. i will tell the debian maintainer
[14:50] <penguin42> DrHalan: Just file a debian bug
[14:51] <penguin42> DrHalan: But you could also apply a patch to the Ubuntu bug and work it through the system to release a patched ubuntu package before the debian one works through
[14:51] <DrHalan> penguin42: but what is the process here? i have no idea how to get packages or package updates into ubuntu..
[14:52] <ikonia> DrHalan: they do'nt get updated
[14:52] <ikonia> DrHalan: they normally stick at the base version from the time of release.
[14:53] <penguin42> DrHalan: For most (but not all) stuff the original code releases it, then some point later the debian package maintainer updates the debian package, then automatically ubuntu sync's from debians source every release
[14:53] <penguin42> DrHalan: There can be patches applied by either/and debian and ubuntu in their packages
[14:54] <penguin42> DrHalan: and Ubuntu doesn't necessarily use the same compiler version (and definitely different options) than debian uses
[14:59] <DrHalan> yeah but i am wondering who decides on ubuntu which patches are applied
[14:59] <penguin42> DrHalan: Anyone can attach a patch to a bug report, and you then need to ask for it to get applied
[15:00] <DrHalan> okay so now i just have to wait for somebody with uploading privileges to look at my bug?
[15:02] <penguin42> DrHalan: Well, you should actually attach a patch to the bug, and that when you rebuild an ubuntu package with it fixes it
[15:04] <penguin42> DrHalan: I've marked it as 'triaged' and medium importance
[15:04] <DrHalan> thanks
[15:05] <DrHalan> penguin42: so i have no possibility to get CG support into the ubuntu ogre packages?
[15:05] <DrHalan> add ing nvidia-cg-dev as build dependency is all that is needed to enable it
[15:05] <ikonia> that doens't seem a good idea
[15:06] <penguin42> DrHalan: I'd say that's almost no chance
[15:06] <ikonia> I'd hope that's not chance
[15:07] <penguin42> DrHalan: For the nvidia-cg stuff you might look at whether you can do that in a ppa
[15:08] <DrHalan> mh i can also use custom build packages then...
[15:08] <penguin42> DrHalan: the ppa system lets you build tweaked versions of packages and make them available - although if there is a licensing issue then you should be careful
[15:10] <penguin42> hmm chromium is very broken in quantal
[15:11] <penguin42> problem is I can't get a seg or any type of debug out of it
[15:22] <penguin42> DrHalan: If you want, you can try following the magic here http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html     if you do that it's normally not too hard to get it into the ubuntu builds, especially if you don't leave it too close to the release
[15:23] <penguin42> (for the crash fix that is)
[15:24] <DrHalan> okay :)
[15:24] <DrHalan> well maybe i should just stop using cg in my project...
[15:30] <DrHalan> penguin42: what issue do you have with chromium? works fine here...
[15:33] <penguin42> DrHalan: It's getting very crashy for me in Quantal
[15:35] <DrHalan> okay.. well i just tested it for some minutes..
[15:41] <jtaylor> the ogre crash is some sort of misalignment
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Kwin is crashing here , after trying to set up kdm ..can't use lightdm because it's totally broken here
[15:42] <jtaylor> DrHalan: fftw3 also had horrobile hacks to align the stack which broke with gcc 4.7
[15:42] <jtaylor> DrHalan: you should check if they are similar
[15:44] <DrHalan> jtaylor: well i didn't write the patch. the fedora maintainer of OGRE just told me that they ran into the same issue and fixed it that way
[15:44] <jtaylor> yes just disabling it is what fftw3 did too
[15:50] <jtaylor> it also was the same hack
[15:51] <jtaylor> DrHalan: does the debian maintainer know about the bug?
[15:51] <DrHalan> not yet..
[15:52] <penguin42> Have debian rebuilt it with 4.7 yet?
[15:52] <DrHalan> i first wanted to apply the patch locally and test the packages..
[15:52] <jtaylor> likely
[15:52] <jtaylor> gcc 4.7 was added before the freeze
[16:16] <DrHalan> yaay the fix works :)
[16:17] <jtaylor> jup
[16:17] <jtaylor> thats an RC bug in debian
[16:17] <jtaylor> the maintainer should react to that quickly
[16:19] <jtaylor> DrHalan: when its fixed request a sync with the requestsync tool
[16:19] <jtaylor> or ping someone in #ubuntu-motu
[16:22] <penguin42> hmm, kvm has stopped netbooting compared with lastnight
[16:26] <penguin42> is it possible to install 3.5.0-13.13 kernel packages at the same time as 3.5.0-13.13 ?
[16:26] <penguin42> is it possible to install 3.5.0-13.13 kernel packages at the same time as 3.5.0-13.14 I mean ?
[16:28] <trism> probably not, they replace the same files
[16:28] <penguin42> hmm, I want to try rolling back to 13.13 to see if my KVM bug disappears
[16:28] <penguin42> bug 1045027
[16:36]  * penguin42 flips it to linux - it works with 3.5.0-12
[16:37] <penguin42> gah, and the 3.5.0-13.13 files have disappeared off archive.ubuntu.com already and my /var/cache
[16:38] <jtaylor> check some of the outdated mirrors
[16:40] <trism> only see two patches in .13 to .14, one for webcams and one disabling the mgag200 module, doesn't really seem like it would affect kvm
[16:41] <penguin42> ah actually yes, I agree - yesterday I was running 3.5.0-12 - so it is a -12 v -13
[16:45] <penguin42> anyway to get apport-cli -u to work - it's still moaning about lp Python module not being installed
[16:53] <penguin42> works on the current daily mainline 3.6.x kernel
[17:32] <BluesKaj> kate is segfaulting again ..  :)
[17:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What does the backtrace look like?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/62J7twwM
[17:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Worht installing the debug syms for libQtscript.so. 4?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> looks like that Qt script again ...someone was mentioning that yesterday
[21:10] <jakubo> is anyone else experiencing unacceptable mouse behaviour when using touchpad?