[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> anyone on the bugsquad here actually read the mailing list stuff?
[20:26] <mapreri> TheLordOfTime: when? The last email is in 2012/08/29 in "core vs non-core definition".. what do you mean?
[20:33] <TheLordOfTime> mapreri:  that's the one :p  i need an opinion of the wording for that one, and nobody seems to respond except bdmurray (and even then i have to ping him)
[20:33] <TheLordOfTime> main issue is it modifies the bugsquad documentation on bug importance, so anyone's opinion(s) on bugsquad are valid
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> since there seems to be semi-consensus on using a package's "task" field to determine whether its core or not *shrugs*
[20:37] <mapreri> the issue still in the permission of the bugsquad: we can't  change bug importance, so we don't consider it relevant (at least I think so..) :)
[20:37] <TheLordOfTime> mapreri:  the issue is the docs are in bugsquad
[20:38] <mapreri> TheLordOfTime: anyway, in my opinion this is a good way to valutate the importance of a bug...
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> mapreri:  bugcontrol (or me, micah, a few others here, and bdmurray) could make a unanimous decision, but i sent it to the bugsquad so triagers could comment
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> say "THis is an okay idea" or "This idea sucks"
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> hence the whole point for the discussion
[20:40] <mapreri> so, I think I'll follow your suggestion and I'll write two words in ML, is it ok?
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> the mailing list is open to all its subscribers
[20:41] <mapreri> right, but, as I wrote, I did't consider the importance of those emails
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> ah :P
[20:42] <mapreri> :)
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> well, since this technically makes a solid(ish) definition of the whole "core vs. non-core" concept, which sometimes decides the difference between low and medium, or medium and high, its important :P
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> i think micahg and i discussed the need to actually define it back during UDS on IRC
[20:43] <mapreri> UDS-r?
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> what was the last UDS, UDS-q?
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> i think it was at uds-q
[20:44] <mapreri> yep
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> i wasnt on bugsquad during uds-p, so...
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> yeah, would've had to be uds-q
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> i wasnt *at* uds, but he had a break and was on IRC, and we briefly touched on the fact we need to define it
[20:44] <mapreri> ah, I misunderstood you sentence... sorry ;)
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> so i took it to the mailing list xD
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> ah, no problem :P
[20:45] <mapreri> UDS-r will be during this november, so.... :)
[20:45]  * TheLordOfTime is "too valuable" to take off the time to go to UDS
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> (according to my employers)
[20:48] <mapreri> :( The UDS is a dream for a far future... also because I can't understand English very well, above all the when it is apoken... so.. :(
[20:48] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[20:48]  * TheLordOfTime is a native speaker of American English, and a partial speaker of British English
[20:50]  * mapreri is Ialian..
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[20:52] <mapreri> I think I haven't a good English. Have you not noticed this??
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> mapreri:  pretty good thus far
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> although...
[20:53] <TheLordOfTime> having said this, you don't have to deal with people who can't speak english to save their life in various IRC channels every day :p
[20:53]  * TheLordOfTime has adapted to mostly-understand the not-the-best-english-speakers
[20:56] <mapreri> :D well, but I will be happy if somebody sometimes tell me I miswrote something...
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[21:36] <mapreri> TheLordOfTime: can I ask you waht is trekweb? :)
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> trekweb's an internet services provider, but right now we provide IRC bouncers
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_%28software%29 is a good explanation of that
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> https://trekweb.org
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> if you're curious to see what TrekWeb provides
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> or ask in #trekweb :0
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[21:38] <mapreri> I know what is a BNC :) i'm looking at trekweb.org..
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> mapreri:  just one of many ZNC providers
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> (we have a LOT of freenode bouncers)
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  when you're not busy, can I ask your opinion on something?
[22:20] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: see you in 2020? :D
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[22:20] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: better to ping and ask then ask when you can ask
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2012-August/003870.html  <-- opinions on the wording posed for this?
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  better to see if you're busy, saw you chatting away in -motu :P
[22:23] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: there's one problem, those task headers change per release as can the component
[22:23] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  voice that in the mailing list?
[22:23] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: so, more work for me, eh? :), j/k, will send a followup
[22:23] <TheLordOfTime> i'd like to see more activity there of course, but since we kind of had a small consensus, perhaps my idea of just plain nixing the "core" or "non-core" definitions should be implemented.
[22:23] <TheLordOfTime> (i brought that up with bdmurray on IRC a few days ago, so...)
[22:24]  * micahg also encourages TheLordOfTime to not top post
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  *Shrugs*
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  blame gmail
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> actually...
[22:24] <ogra_> lame excuse
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> blame Evolution
[22:25] <ogra_> blaming your mail app for being to lazy to click once in the window to have your cursor at the bootom of the mail ?
[22:26] <TheLordOfTime> ogra_:  actually, blaming the system because it is weird
[22:26]  * TheLordOfTime is yelling at PHP right now for segfaulting three times in one hour in a test environment
[22:26]  * ogra_ never managed to top post with either evo, TB or gmail if i didnt want to
[22:27] <TheLordOfTime> well, then there's the iPhone, where I don't have a choice :/
[22:27] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  should bugcontrol's mailing list be CC'd?
[22:27] <TheLordOfTime> i'm sure the rest of bugcontrol would have something to say
[22:27] <TheLordOfTime> (if they bother to read it)
[22:28] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: done
[22:29] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: you can if you want
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> i might, to see what they say on it
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  i'm going to forward it to them later, the network here's going down for some maintenance.
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> but i personally think that the core vs. noncore definition for bugs is slightly obscene
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> (one of the options initially was to nix that from the bug importance docs, but we decided not to in the mailing list)
[22:34] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: well, stuff affecting images are definitely a higher priority for the project as a whole as the images are generally only spun once
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> then perhaps core should be defined to be part of the seeds for the images
[22:34] <micahg> but if something is worth making RC, then do so
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> ... ooops network's going down now