| === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ | ||
| cc11rocks | I want to fix bugs (development). Should I be on this channel or #ubuntu-devel? If I should be on -devel or -motu, what is the different between the channels? | 08:34 |
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| iulian | cc11rocks: Both and you might want to join -packaging as well. The difference is that -motu deals with unseeded packages and -devel with core packages. | 09:04 |
| cc11rocks | Thanks iulian! | 09:04 |
| iulian | And please don't cross post. | 09:04 |
| cc11rocks | I was telling MCR1 so he knew | 09:05 |
| cc11rocks | And to tell people my question was resolved | 09:05 |
| cc11rocks | See? He said thanks | 09:05 |
| iulian | cc11rocks: You've asked the same question in both channel. | 09:05 |
| iulian | s/channel/channels/ | 09:06 |
| cc11rocks | Okay, will take that into account next time | 09:06 |
| cc11rocks | Do you agree with MCR1 that I can fix the bugs in running OS? | 09:07 |
| cc11rocks | If you would like me to cross-post the question, I can do that, but then I would be cross posting the question... | 09:08 |
| iulian | cc11rocks: I do. And no, please don't. | 09:11 |
| cc11rocks | If I break a package I need to use, I can just reinstall it temporarily from the default repos., then continue with backed-up code later, correct? | 09:13 |
| cc11rocks | Or should I be using that one command that lets you temporarily change root to whatever (chroot or something)? | 09:13 |
| cc11rocks | I think chroot would be essentially the same as a VM... | 09:14 |
| cc11rocks | bzr ubuntu:test failed - http://pastebin.com/3AqiTwyn | 10:54 |
| cc11rocks | It's way past my bedtime, so if I could get a quick response, that would be awesome. If not, you can email the problem/solution at cc11rocks@yahoo.com . Looks to me as if it's outdated. I just did it, so I don't know how that is possible... | 10:57 |
| cc11rocks | Either that, or I don't have change perms (which I shouldn't have) | 10:57 |
| cc11rocks | I'll stick around for another 5 minutes | 10:59 |
| cc11rocks | *bzr ubuntu:hello failed - http://pastebin.com/3AqiTwyn | 11:02 |
| cc11rocks | Already, thanks for you help guys. If you guys figure out the issue, you can email me at cc11rocks@yahoo.com | 11:13 |
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| jtaylor | I wonder what the difference between ruby-json-pure and ruby-json is | 21:35 |
| jtaylor | besides that the former is an apparently unmaintaned ubuntu only package which conflicts with the debian one .. | 21:36 |
| broder | jtaylor: the json-pure gem is a json parser/encoder in pure ruby; the json gem has a c extension | 21:45 |
| broder | they're api compatible, but the c extension is obviously much faster | 21:46 |
| micahg | yeah | 21:46 |
| broder | i do'nt know what the packages are though | 21:46 |
| jtaylor | why do we need both? | 21:46 |
| micahg | upstream codebase is almost the same too | 21:46 |
| jtaylor | to the least the conflict between the packages should be resolved | 21:47 |
| jtaylor | is that a case for alternatives? | 21:47 |
| broder | yeah, they should not conflict - they can be co-installed | 21:47 |
| broder | at least in ruby-land. i don't know anything about the gem packaging situation | 21:47 |
| micahg | there's a reverse dependency in Ubuntu for it | 21:47 |
| broder | you do need json-pure for things like jruby, where you don't get c extensions | 21:48 |
| micahg | which is not in Debian | 21:48 |
| broder | but i don't even know whether the ruby packaging situation is evolved enough to support that sort of thing | 21:48 |
| micahg | I don't see an explicit conflicts either | 21:49 |
| micahg | oh, maybe in the newer package | 21:49 |
| jtaylor | quantal still fails | 21:49 |
| micahg | fails on what | 21:49 |
| broder | aren't they different gems built from the same source? | 21:49 |
| jtaylor | on installation | 21:49 |
| jtaylor | bug 1026049 style failure | 21:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1026049 in ruby-json-pure (Ubuntu) "package ruby-json-pure (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/json.rb', which is also in package ruby-json 1.6.3-1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026049 | 21:50 |
| micahg | ah, yeah, that's a problem :) | 21:50 |
| jtaylor | nice the -pure package also fails to build | 21:50 |
| micahg | ruby-json-pure should put it in json_pure.rb IMHO | 21:50 |
| broder | err, i'm not sure that makes sense | 21:51 |
| jtaylor | bug 1026049 | 21:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1026049 in ruby-json-pure (Ubuntu) "package ruby-json-pure (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/json.rb', which is also in package ruby-json 1.6.3-1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026049 | 21:51 |
| jtaylor | ups bug 935412 | 21:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 935412 in ruby-json-pure (Ubuntu Precise) "ruby-json-pure version 1.5.1-0ubuntu3 FTBFS on i386 in precise" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935412 | 21:51 |
| jtaylor | still affects quantal | 21:51 |
| broder | the content of that json.rb is basically just | 21:51 |
| broder | begin | 21:51 |
| broder | require 'json/ext' | 21:51 |
| broder | rescue LoadError | 21:51 |
| broder | require 'json/pure' | 21:51 |
| broder | end | 21:51 |
| micahg | I'd start by looking to see if ruby-vmc needs the pure ruby version or can use the c extension, if it can use the c extension, let's drop the forked version, we'd still have to fix up precise a bit better though with replaces/conflicts | 21:53 |
| jtaylor | it seems the only rdepend does not use jruby | 21:53 |
| jtaylor | so it could use the extension version | 21:53 |
| jtaylor | and we can kill the -pure | 21:53 |
| jtaylor | I mailed the uploader for an oppinion | 21:54 |
| micahg | jtaylor: at the canonical address? | 21:54 |
| jtaylor | yes | 21:54 |
| micahg | doesn't exist anymore :) | 21:54 |
| jtaylor | oh | 21:54 |
| micahg | debian 657881 | 21:56 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 657881 in wnpp "ITP: ruby-json-pure -- This is a JSON implementation in pure Ruby." [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/657881 | 21:56 |
| jtaylor | no answer upstream since jan | 21:57 |
| jtaylor | does really not look like something we should have in the archive | 21:57 |
| jtaylor | hm but it is still active | 21:59 |
| micahg | jtaylor: I certainly don't think we should keep it Ubuntu only if the rdep can be switched, but if it gets packaged in Debian, I see no issue having both | 21:59 |
| jtaylor | I also have no issue if its maintained | 22:00 |
| jtaylor | but it does not look like it in ubuntu | 22:00 |
| jtaylor | ftbs since precise, pretty obvious conflicts | 22:00 |
| jtaylor | I'll mail the rdep maintainer if it can use the extension version | 22:01 |
| jtaylor | hm but who is that | 22:02 |
| jtaylor | noone is subscribed to bugs of the package ._. | 22:02 |
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| micahg | jtaylor: it's in MOTU land, use your best judgment :), or maybe ask xnox as he seems to be involved in some this stuff | 22:10 |
| xnox | jtaylor: hello =) which stuff? | 22:10 |
| jtaylor | I reached logan in -devel | 22:10 |
| Logan_ | oh hey | 22:10 |
| Logan_ | I'm here as well :P | 22:11 |
| xnox | meh ruby, I use rbenv for that..... | 22:11 |
| * xnox goes back to idling =) | 22:12 | |
| Logan_ | jtaylor: do you think it would be less buggy if the packaging were updated to 1.7.5 for ruby-json-pure? | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | http://rubygems.org/gems/json_pure | 22:12 |
| jtaylor | Logan_: possibly, but someone has to do that | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | because it's at 1.5.1 right now in the Ubuntu repo | 22:12 |
| jtaylor | right now the issue is that the two packages are not coinstallable | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | and updating to 1.7.5 could introduce its own bugs | 22:12 |
| jtaylor | they even fail with a dpkg error | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | which would require an FFe | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | so, basically, fun times | 22:12 |
| Logan_ | oh I see | 22:13 |
| Logan_ | so conflict them? | 22:13 |
| jtaylor | the problem is -pure fails to build | 22:13 |
| micahg | xnox: I pinged you as you seem to be involved with some of the partner/main archive crossover | 22:13 |
| jtaylor | so just conflicting them is not as trivial as it looks | 22:13 |
| Logan_ | oh | 22:14 |
| xnox | micahg: was I ? had no clue.... | 22:14 |
| jtaylor | Logan_: unless someone volunteers to fix/update the package I would prefer to remove it | 22:14 |
| jtaylor | I don't know much about ruby so I can't fix it | 22:14 |
| micahg | xnox: maybe not :), ISTR you filing some bugs related to that type of stuff | 22:14 |
| micahg | I would prefer to remove it regardless if we have a viable alternative from Debian | 22:15 |
| micahg | er...regardless, if | 22:15 |
| xnox | removing is good =) | 22:16 |
| jtaylor | but that requires changing ruby-vmc | 22:16 |
| jtaylor | for which it might be too late now | 22:16 |
| jtaylor | so we could for quantal just disable the testsuite, conflict the package and deal with it q+1? | 22:16 |
| jtaylor | similar for a precise sru? | 22:16 |
| micahg | jtaylor: nah, it's unseeded, should be easy enough to get an FFe if we can remove cruft | 22:17 |
| * ogra_ makes a note to tell slangasek that xnox plans to do the partner stuff ... | 22:17 | |
| ogra_ | *g* | 22:17 |
| * micahg makes a note to hid from xnox at UDS | 22:17 | |
| micahg | *hide | 22:17 |
| micahg | jtaylor: for a precise SRU that sounds good | 22:17 |
| jtaylor | Logan_: can you check if ruby-vmc would work with ruby-json? | 22:18 |
| jtaylor | or give guidance on how to check it? | 22:18 |
| xnox | micahg: I actually think you did pretty well at hiding from me at the last UDS. It seemed like most of the last UDS I spent with ogra_ infinity tumbleweed Laney and highvoltage | 22:18 |
| jtaylor | I wanted to go to the next uds for once, but no work interferes again ._. | 22:19 |
| xnox | =(((( | 22:19 |
| micahg | xnox: that's funny because I was with Laney and tumbleweed a lot of UDS as well | 22:19 |
| * xnox wonders if Laney & tumbleweed have identical twins | 22:20 | |
| iulian | Maybe you guys spent most of the time together but you just cannot remember. | 22:20 |
| iulian | That's a possibility... | 22:20 |
| ogra_ | xnox, we just need to convince micahg to start smoking ;) (or you need to start spending more time inside next UDS ;) ) | 22:20 |
| xnox | ogra_: i am actually not smoking any more. | 22:21 |
| ogra_ | wow ! | 22:21 |
| xnox | ogra_: but that may change at the uds though | 22:21 |
| ogra_ | congrats | 22:21 |
| xnox | also electronic cigarettes are fun, cause they make a lot of smoke | 22:22 |
| Logan_ | jtaylor: I have no idea | 22:23 |
| Logan_ | I'd just remove ruby-vmc, tbh | 22:23 |
| * ogra_ doesnt trust them :) | 22:23 | |
| Logan_ | people can just install it via gem if they want, no? | 22:23 |
| Logan_ | I mean, same with any gem | 22:24 |
| Logan_ | but | 22:24 |
| Logan_ | this is an exceptional case ;) | 22:24 |
| jtaylor | popcon 63 | 22:25 |
| jtaylor | if no one cares for it and we don't know how to test it, removing might be an option | 22:26 |
| jtaylor | on the otherhand we could just change the depend and "require" and see what happens | 22:26 |
| jtaylor | either people complain and we have someone to ask, it breaks and no one notices or everyting works fine | 22:26 |
| jtaylor | win win win | 22:26 |
| jtaylor | wait removing ruby-vmc also requires cloudfoundry removal | 22:29 |
| jtaylor | whatever that is | 22:29 |
| jtaylor | ups no same source | 22:29 |
| micahg | jtaylor: well, I'd suggest asking someone who's familiar enough with ruby to make sure the dep can be switched sanely | 22:29 |
| xnox | ogra_: i don't mind doing partner stuff by the way. | 22:29 |
| jtaylor | micahg: yes, I think I'll pop by debian-ruby tomorrow | 22:30 |
| micahg | thansk | 22:30 |
| jtaylor | someone there should know | 22:30 |
| micahg | *thanks | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | xnox, heh, dont overload yourself | 22:30 |
| jtaylor | json parsing should really be inside ruby itself nowadys | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | i was really not serious about partenr | 22:30 |
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