=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [01:53] hello music people!! :) [01:55] hmm [01:55] guess everybody's sleeping [01:55] velho, not many people here [01:55] we are here if you need help velho [01:56] one free musician!! hello len [01:56] just ask :) [01:56] holstein :) [01:56] Ya taking a break from playing.. [01:56] you might want to try #opensourcemusicians [01:59] I just recently joined the linux force [01:59] I've tryed linux before [01:59] i havent heard of the linux force.. unless you mean you just started using linux.. in which case welcome [01:59] but, this time, is forever :) [02:00] yes, holstein! thank you [02:01] I mean "force" as in the power of the people [02:01] sorry, I'm not native english [02:01] Lots of people are not, no worries. [02:02] can I install ubuntu studio inside my ubuntu installation? if yes, how, and how much space do I need? thank you in advance [02:03] ubuntustudio is ubuntu with extra packages pretty much [02:03] velho: i would just open the package manager of your choice and search ubuntustudio [02:03] the sizes will be there [02:04] i suggest *not* just installing the ubuntustudio meta packages, and maybe just try ubuntustudio live, or just install what you need [02:04] feel free and ask about what pacakges might fit your needs depending one what you are trying to accomplish [02:04] podcasting... multitrack recording... MIDI... etc... [02:05] well [02:05] I use Cubase (legit) on windows plus a bunch of vst plugins [02:06] likely the audio meta package would suit you... ubuntustudio-audio [02:06] for multitrack recording, mixing and mastering [02:06] the desktop we use is XFCE, which is different from the main ubuntu, which uses unity [02:06] that's the main thing I wish to acomplish in linux [02:06] if you add all the pacakges, the look and feel will change [02:07] if you want that, go for it!... if you want to keep the current look and feel, just install what you need [02:07] JACK, ardour... some audio plugins [02:07] what do you mean? that ubuntu=gnome and ubuntustudio=XFCE ? [02:07] ubuntu = ubuntustudio [02:08] ubuntu uses the unity desktop environment [02:08] ubuntustudio uses XFCE, as does xubuntu [02:08] hmmm, to save recources? [02:08] you can use the ubuntustudio packages and metapackages with any of the environments [02:08] velho: are you asking why we chose XFCE? [02:09] we had gnome2... we feel XFCE is the most like gnome2, and the xubuntu team is great to work with [02:11] i'm searching for packages in the ubuntu software center [02:11] cool.. you can also search in synaptic, or any package manger, if those results are not making sense to you [02:12] well, they don't :( [02:12] they? dont what? [02:13] I only see "Ubuntu Studio Controls" [02:13] right... in synaptic you should see more.. the metapackages we have [02:13] the results, there is only one: "Ubuntu Studio Controls" [02:13] velho: but in synaptic? [02:13] try ubuntustudio all one word. There was something else I had to do too... [02:13] gonna install synaptic now [02:14] yeah. thats what i have... search ubuntustudio.. all one word [02:15] ok :) [02:15] by the way [02:15] these "packages" [02:15] maybe ubuntustudio, in SW center. When I go ubuntustudio- and then remove the - it all shows up... [02:15] are bundles of programs? in this case, music programs? [02:15] meta packages.. [02:15] velho: there are different ones. and they should have descriptions [02:16] ubuntustudio-audio for the "audio" apps [02:16] ubuntustudio-audio-plugins [02:16] ubuntustudio-graphics... ets [02:16] what's the meaning of "meta"? [02:16] etc* [02:16] velho: its a big fake package that points to a group of others [02:16] there are a bunch of audio apps [02:17] you can search and install them one by one.. or just the ones you want [02:17] oh! [02:17] cool :D [02:17] OR.. you can use the ubuntustudio-audio ones [02:17] the ones ubuntustudio has as "audio" apps [02:17] they are not ours.. they are the same ones in debian and most other distros [02:18] just the normal tools most folks use.. such as JACK and ardour and the plugings... JAMin.. whatever else you might use [02:18] you dont have to install ubuntustudio, nor the ubuntustudio metapackages.. you can just install the applicastion you want to use [02:19] OR, take advantage or out prepackages distro in whatever way you want... check it out live, and learn what you want to run.. install the OS.. install the metapackages of your choice in your current OS [02:19] yea, good idea :) [02:20] we add no extra packages.. everyhing is in the main repositories [02:20] I now see so much results :) [02:20] thank you! [02:20] velho: anytime [02:21] jack is what you will want to learn about. [02:22] isn't jack a virtual pach bay? [02:22] and more.. if you want to do proaudio in linux, JACK is the main tool [02:22] its the "hub" of the pro linux audio studio [02:22] yes, I want to do pro audio [02:23] hence the suggestion to research JACK [02:23] is there any pros using only linux? I would like to know what they are using [02:23] i am [02:23] awesome :) [02:23] lost of folks in #opensourcemusicians do [02:23] the #ardour channel and #jack channel are full of them [02:23] JACK and ardour ar the big ones [02:24] there are lots of MIDI too, but i dont do much of that [02:25] wow [02:26] I just love the power of linux [02:26] yup.. its a great community [02:26] wish I could cut my dependence from cubase, and use only linux [02:26] i did [02:26] took a long time [02:26] I bet :) [02:26] what did you use before? [02:27] cubase and XP [02:27] i dual booted for a long time there testing [02:27] wich cubase version? [02:27] then, i just had a laptop for daily use.. only linux [02:27] that helped [02:27] i did less and less in XP [02:27] then, i just finally made the leap [02:27] no more windows [02:27] velho: i dont remember [02:28] well, I'm just following your steps. will you accept me as an disciple, my dear master? [02:28] lol [02:28] me or someone in opensourcemusicians im sure [02:28] that who really help me [02:29] well [02:29] i'm an independent musician [02:29] to use only linux would be a great thing [02:29] well, linux is not magic [02:29] althoug, I just wish steinberg ported cubase for linux [02:30] i like it... and it works great, and i wont use anything else, but have realistic expectations [02:30] you didnt sit down in front of XP or OSX and start recording audio [02:30] velho: after you move, you wont miss cubase [02:30] at least, i dont [02:30] i quit linux some years ago because I've tested some audio apps. the core system was great, so many incredible apps. but, in audio... anything pro :( [02:31] did you try JACK? [02:31] you might have tried audacity or lmms [02:31] i think ardour [02:31] velho: nah... you would have liked ardour [02:31] and you need JACK to run it [02:32] if you just clicked on it and it didnt do anything, then thats what i did for years too [02:32] you've gessed :) [02:33] velho: when you get into it, you'll see why its so complex [02:33] but I've made a big mistake. I didn't know about irc channels [02:33] and why its just not that easy to make it easier [02:33] i wouldnt have made it if i hadnt found the IRC [02:33] well, I'm addicted to complex [02:33] you'll fit right in! [02:34] do you know of any well written pdf manuals, or video tutorials? [02:34] Good morning holstein [02:35] velho: sure.. the ardour manual is great [02:35] the JACK one is the key.. and theres not a great one [02:35] it really depends on your hardware [02:36] velho: i suggest getting the ubuntustudio iso ...the live one [02:36] i have an edirol fa-66 [02:36] velho: have it and test with it [02:36] velho: you can break it all in the live environment and just reboot :) [02:36] velho: thats firewire, correct? [02:36] lol, good idea :) [02:36] thats a whole other PITA [02:37] yes! [02:37] pita? [02:37] i have a firepod, but you want a texax instruments chipset [02:37] Easiest tp load the ISO on a USB stick BTW [02:37] pain in the a$$ [02:37] loooooooool [02:37] yeah, like len-dt says.. live USB is nice.. faster too [02:38] ok.. gotta run for a bit... i would download our iso velho ... it'll help with troubleshooting [02:38] gonna do it! [02:38] holstein: Give him the iso link? [02:38] thank you so much for your time [02:39] smartboyhw: is you want... [02:39] if* [02:39] i think it is http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ [02:39] velho: get the 12.04 one [02:40] Download it in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04.1/release/ [02:40] 32 or 64 bit? I use win7 and ubuntu 12.04 64bit [02:40] velho: either is cool now.. i would go with the 32 live [02:40] why? [02:41] for troubleshooting... i use the 64bit now though [02:41] velho: really, either is fine [02:41] used to really matter [02:41] well, they recommend 32 bit [02:41] don't know why... [02:42] Also more people use 32 bit I think, though I use 64 bit [02:42] 32 bit works on anything. [02:42] 64 bit only works on machines that support it [02:44] oh ok :) [02:45] gonna download ubuntustudio 64bit [02:45] does it work as a live cd, also? [02:45] yes [02:45] We only have live dvd right now. [02:45] (kinda big for a CD at 2.1 Gig [02:46] DVD or USB please;) [02:47] does ardour support vst? [02:48] That is it's own story. [02:48] I think there is a patch that supports some VST if you are willing to roll your own. [02:49] However, because of the ability to patch programs together... there are some other VST containers around. [02:49] nice :) [02:49] and what about audio delay? [02:50] Ardour seems to calc it pretty good and make all of the delays the same to keep tracks synced. [02:53] cool! [02:53] and when one is recording? [02:54] Best to monitor with hardware if possible. [02:54] thank you foir your time, mates :) [02:55] Jack will let you set latency, but a longer latency allows more tracks/effects [02:55] will see you here tomorrow, hope! cheers :) [02:55] bye, enjoy [02:55] I'm sorry, I really gotta sleep [02:55] ;0 [02:55] Good night velho [02:55] but loved the conversation [02:56] no problem [02:56] you are all incredibly kind [02:56] I really don't understand why there aren't more linux users [02:57] As one who has not (out of choice) ever used either MS or apple SW... I don't either [02:59] at least for everyday task, linux is way better [02:59] well [02:59] really gotta sleep [02:59] Good night [03:00] good bye, and have a healthy life :) [03:00] good night === ubuntu-studio is now known as len-live [14:09] smartboyhw: u need to /ID pass first b4 joining the chan... [14:09] its shows you changing host [14:09] Oh sorry [14:10] I went suspended [14:20] Hello [14:20] its ok smartboyhw you are macho [14:21] Hello [14:21] drupin: What? [14:21] Holstein, are you there? [14:21] nothing i seen your lauchpad page [14:22] man you working on so many projects same time [14:22] how did you do that [14:22] Nosferath: I can help too, holstein is away [14:22] drupin: Most of them are open or moderated team [14:22] *teams [14:22] If I got into a restricted one, those are my REAL work [14:22] thats ok but how you manage [14:22] drupin: Because I am clever enough:) [14:23] he he [14:23] he he [14:23] Nosferath: What is your problem [14:23] where i learn packging [14:23] drupin: Packaging? [14:23] in the build system [14:23] yup [14:23] OK [14:24] smartboyhw: Ok. The other day I installed UbuntuStudio, but I'm totally new on Linux, and I don't know how to install drivers and stuff for us both [14:24] usb* [14:24] recognition stuff [14:24] so you had problems for your USB??/ [14:24] I don't know, I'm not sure [14:25] !? [14:25] I don't even know how to view my usb devices [14:25] on Linux [14:25] Er, it should be identified instantly. [14:25] And shown where? [14:26] And it should be on your desktop and the file manager [14:26] Nosferath, what USB device do you have? [14:26] Hi len [14:26] A pen drive [14:27] normally in 12.04 it would show up on the desktop or in any file manager [14:27] If not maybe your USB drive hasn't been properly formated [14:27] another place to look is the last 10 lines or so of the output of dmesg [14:28] does it have to be ext? [14:28] no, normally fat or vfat [14:29] So ubuntu automatically installs drivers of all the hardware? [14:29] Nosferath: It should [14:29] The kernel comes with most things needed. [14:30] What if I want to install a sound card? it's a bit old, though [14:30] IS it USB? [14:30] is it PCI? [14:30] Oh, and also, does it have to be connected to the Internet for the drivers to be installed? [14:31] pci [14:31] It is probably supported out of the box [14:33] you can see what sound cards the systems sees by opening a terminal and typing aplay -l [14:33] to list sound devices. [14:35] Nosferath, I have some older PCI sound cards, ensoniq (SB live?) and d66, they just work. [14:36] Okay, I'll do that later, as I'm not currently using the computer and I'm a little busy reading a book [14:37] Thankee [14:42] Nosferath: :) [17:24] no sound comes out from my computer [17:39] Nosferath: I always prefer quiet computers [17:39] Nosferath: After rebooting, or? [17:39] Let us know what you think may be causing it [17:40] Nosferath: Ok. I read the backscroll [17:41] Nosferath: What is the name of the card? You can find out by doing: cat /proc/asound/cards [17:41] how do I do that [17:41] Nosferath: Open a terminal. You'll find it in accessories in the menu [17:42] Then type the command, or just paste it (shift+ctrl+v) [17:42] cat /proc/asound/cards [17:43] Nosferath: And paste the output here http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [17:43] says there's no such directory [17:43] Nosferath: You have mistyped [17:44] I'm sure I typed it correctly [17:44] I'm sure you didn't [17:44] D: how is it possible [17:45] no spaces inside the command, right? [17:45] there's a space between the command "cat" and the argument "/proc/asound/cards" [17:46] ooh [17:46] /proc/asound/cards is a file. cat is a command that will output its contents [17:46] there it is [17:46] that pc has no Internet [17:47] You should see names inside [] [17:47] I have an Ali M5455 and a SB Audigy [17:47] I want to use the later [17:48] Fine. So, you probably only need to set the SB as your audio device in the pulseaudio mixer [17:48] You find it from the volume applet [17:48] "settings", or something like that [17:49] On Ubuntu Studio, you find your device, and check the button called "Set as fallback" [17:49] If you have any programs running, you might need to restart them to get sound [17:50] Usually, pulseaudio defaults to the internal device (is what I've experienced 100% of the time) [17:54] cheer.s :) [17:55] no sound :/ [17:56] Nosferath: Did you find the mixer, and the settings for it? [17:57] And you set audigy as the fallback device? [17:57] Also, what program are you using to see if you get sound? [17:58] I got my pc on Spanish, set fallback is the green icon? [17:58] Nosferath: That's right [17:59] Nosferath: And the program you are using to play audio? [18:02] hexter [18:02] :) [18:03] Nosferath: That won't work with pulseaudio. It's a jack application [18:04] Nosferath: Have you made sure you have desktop sound first? [18:04] how do I do that [18:04] Nosferath: Pulseaudio is the desktop sound system [18:05] Nosferath: Most applications will work with pulseaudio, but the pro audio applications (ardour, qtractor, hydrogen, etc) are designed to be used with the pro audio sound system called jack [18:05] Nosferath: Have you been trying to start jack? [18:06] nope [18:06] I'm totally lost with all the apps [18:06] anyone had sucessfully installed Editor FA-66? [18:07] Nosferath: Try your web browser to play some sound from any page [18:07] Nosferath: Or, if you have sound files, double click them and play them [18:07] got no Internet on that computer [18:07] ok [18:07] Ah, right. Then sound files it is [18:08] weee [18:09] velho: Editor? [18:09] I get sound [18:09] Nosferath: Good. Now, if you want to play with audio apps, read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Jack_-_The_Pro_Audio_Sound_System [18:09] Nosferath: Start jack first, as described on that page. Then start hexter [18:10] Nosferath: Really all you need to do is select your device in qjackctl settings, and push start [18:12] velho: ffado has full support for edirol FA-66 http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list [18:18] failed to open server [18:21] Nosferath: Make sure you are not using the device with any program when you try to start jack [18:21] ailo, thanks :) [18:21] is ffado a driver? [18:21] okay, I'll reboot [18:21] sorry, i'm noob [18:22] Nosferath: Could be jackdbus is running now. To make sure it's not, kill it with this command: killall -9 jackdbus [18:22] Nosferath: No need to reboot [18:22] velho: Yes. ffado is a driver which you can use with jack [18:22] ok [18:23] velho: Also means, you cannot use the firewire device for desktop audio, unless you connect pulseaudio to jack [18:23] velho: alsa does yet not support many firewire devices, which is what us used for pci cards [18:24] usb, pci == "alsa", firewire == "ffado" [18:28] okay, I chose the device and pressed start, now what? [18:30] Nosferath: Now open hexter [18:30] Nosferath: Assuming jack started and did not shut down [18:30] ok [18:31] ailo, I'm using a pci card WITH a firewire converter, where I connect the Edirol FA-66, on Windows [18:31] so... do I need to install ffado and alsa? [18:31] and pulseaudio and jack? [18:31] velho: No need to install anything. [18:32] velho: The audio device is firewire, so you will be using ffado for it, not alsa. [18:32] ailo, so, how to setup FA-66 in ubuntu? [18:32] velho: Just plug it in, and start jack with the firewire driver [18:32] Assuming you installed jackd [18:32] ailo, how can I do that? [18:32] velho: Are you on Ubuntu Studio? [18:33] oh no! I'm using Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Studio [18:33] I'm running hexter, what now [18:33] velho: Since you are new to this, I would recommend you install Ubuntu Studio, or at least use the live DVD to test your device [18:34] velho: Everything is set up already on Ubuntu Studio [18:34] ailo, ok! can I try to install the FA-66 driver with the live cd? [18:34] velho: No, there's no FA-66 driver [18:34] velho: But, if you want to have the device working instantly, just install Ubuntu Studio, or try the live DVD [18:34] but I need to test if ubuntu recognises FA-66 [18:35] velho: It is fully supported, so it will work. But not out of the box with a standard Ubuntu Install [18:35] ailo, do you mean that fa-66 is recognised automaticaly? [18:35] velho: Yes, on Ubuntu Studio [18:35] Nosferath: There's a test tone button [18:35] ailo, thats GREAT news :D:D [18:36] and what about in ubuntu? [18:36] nothing happens [18:36] how to make it work? [18:36] velho: You need to configure Ubuntu for realtime audio [18:36] Nosferath: Check qjackctl -> Connections [18:36] ailo, can you help me achieve that? [18:36] Nosferath: Make sure hexter is connected to "system" [18:37] What's the server route supposed to be? cos I think I accidentally changed something there [18:37] velho: Install jackd. Say yes to realtime during install. Then add yourself to audio group: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER [18:37] Nosferath: Server route? [18:38] ailo, I'm going to install kack [18:38] *jack [18:38] it works :D [18:38] errrr... how do I install Jack? sorry for the ignorance :/ [18:39] Nosferath: Great. Now, you know how to get jack running. If you get problems, please store these commands for later: killall -9 jackdbus [18:39] Nosferath: And: killall pulseaudio [18:39] I see several "jack" programs in software center [18:39] Nosferath: pulseaudio will always respawn after being killed [18:39] velho: In a terminal, do: sudo apt-get install jackd [18:41] ailo, done ;) [18:41] Nosferath: One program that is easy to learn is Hydrogen. I recommend you try that [18:41] I was using it now [18:41] already made a base, wee [18:41] ailo, what to do after installation? [18:41] what do you mean by audio group: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER [18:41] velho: so, make yourself member of audio group: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER [18:41]