[00:54] <bluesabre> Well, I posted to #ubuntu-unity.  Maybe I'll get some hits
[00:57] <knome> what :)
[00:57] <bluesabre> "Hello everyone.  I'm trying to port the new indicator-messages back to gtk2.  Is there a straightforward method to get the GtkActions from the GtkActionGroup?"
[00:57] <bluesabre> for the indicator-messages
[00:57] <bluesabre> It's a long shot
[00:57] <bluesabre> :)
[00:57] <bluesabre> Unless.
[00:57] <bluesabre> Do you know, knome?
[00:57] <bluesabre> :D
[00:58] <knome> fortunately, nope
[00:58] <bluesabre> :(
[00:58] <knome> :P
[00:58] <knome> sorry
[00:58] <bluesabre> lol
[00:58] <bluesabre> It's ok
[00:59] <bluesabre> It's so much easier to hack on things in python
[00:59] <bluesabre> Since you can print anything
[01:02] <knome> :)
[01:03] <knome> \o/
[01:04] <knome> ohhhh yesss
[01:05]  * knome has unravelled the secrets of including inline images within docbook markup
[01:06] <bluesabre> Woo!
[01:06] <knome> we will need a bugfix upload for the doclooks though
[01:08] <bluesabre> btw, knome, want to review my changes on this page (new version on top, old version towards the bottom)?  I'll trash the old stuff with your go-ahead...  http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Photos%20and%20cameras
[01:08] <bluesabre> Basically, I replaced all the F-Spot specific stuff with gThumb
[01:09] <knome> hmmh. i'm thinking "printing" and "sharing" are thinge we could simply link to
[01:09] <knome> i mean, basic printing stuff ok
[01:10] <knome> but from "printer settings" onward, i'm not sure
[01:10] <bluesabre> Yeah, I'm not a fan of the whole printer settings section
[01:21] <knome> so let's look what it looks after dropping that, and the shared, and the old stuff
[01:21] <knome> that's the go-ahead ^ :P
[01:26] <bluesabre> cool
[01:27] <bluesabre> btw, most annoying 12.10 bug right now = https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpointing-device-settings/+bug/1044870
[01:28] <knome> not with a touchpad with two-finger scrolling :)
[01:28] <bluesabre> lucky :P
[01:29] <bluesabre> So, you want me to discard the printer settings stuff, right?
[01:30] <knome> well yeah, don't you agree?
[01:31] <bluesabre> Yes, just want to make sure :D
[01:32] <bluesabre> What about the Advanced Photo Printing?
[01:32] <knome> i'd drop that too.
[01:33] <bluesabre> Good
[01:33] <bluesabre> :D
[01:33] <knome> we can link to similar topics on the internet
[01:33] <bluesabre> Instantly cleaner
[01:35] <knome> doesn't gthumb have rotate stuff?
[01:35] <knome> there's still that "sharing your photos" too
[01:36] <bluesabre> gthumb has rotate in the edit menu
[01:36]  * bluesabre makes sure thats up to date
[01:36] <knome> yeah
[01:36] <knome> don't point to gimp... ;)
[01:37] <bluesabre> Everyone should use gimp ;)
[01:38] <knome> hah
[01:38] <knome> well, not for rotating photos
[01:45] <knome> bluesabre, what's the non-USC path to software sources?
[01:45] <bluesabre> 12.10?
[01:45] <bluesabre> Settings Manager -> Software Sources
[01:46] <knome> yup, thx
[01:47] <knome> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Upgrading%20from%20an%20older%20version%20of%20Xubuntu
[01:47] <knome> does 2. make sense?
[01:48] <knome> does the software sources dialog as for a pass?
[01:50] <bluesabre> Not until you try to change a setting
[01:50] <knome> mm
[01:52] <bluesabre> I was surprised to see today that our daily live 64bit is ~60mb over
[01:52] <bluesabre> Then I was more surprised when it didn't boot :(
[01:52] <knome> HUH?
[01:52] <knome> 60MB?
[01:52] <bluesabre> 759 MB
[01:53] <bluesabre> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120901/
[01:54] <knome> :<
[01:54]  * knome broke something
[01:54] <bluesabre> lol
[01:54] <knome> the docs aren't building here
[02:23] <knome> bluesabre, https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs updated, if you want to have a look
[02:27] <bluesabre> knome, make fails, lots of warnings :)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1180750/
[02:27] <bluesabre> (on 12.04 atm)
[02:27] <knome> ah, of course
[02:27] <knome> does it still build it?
[02:29] <bluesabre> Doesn't seem like it
[02:29] <knome> just a sec
[02:30] <knome> pull again
[02:30] <knome> that will give errors, but it shouldn't stop building
[02:32] <knome> bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs/view/head:/desktop-guide/migrating-and-upgrading/C/migrating-and-upgrading.xml
[02:32] <knome> that's probably something you want to look at as source
[02:33] <bluesabre> built this time
[02:34] <knome> entities (&entity;) are defined at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs/view/head:/desktop-guide/libs/xubuntu.ent
[02:35] <bluesabre> oh, that's cool
[02:35] <knome> and, that's basically it
[02:36] <knome> the previous link has some examples how to point to gui labels and stuff
[02:37] <knome> and the xrefs (in the built html, the links with ???)
[02:37] <knome> those will start to work as soon as we create sections or chapters with their id's
<xref linkend="guide-desktop"/></para></listitem>
[02:37] <knome> so once <chapter id="guide-desktop"> exists..
[02:37] <knome> it will link there :)
[02:39] <bluesabre> Awesome
[02:40] <bluesabre> It's a much cleaner look than before
[02:40] <knome> yeah, definitely
[02:40] <knome> so maybe if you have time when we start hacking on the docbook... ;)
[02:40] <bluesabre> I might.
[02:40] <knome> yeah
[02:40] <bluesabre> Depends if I start to get anywhere on indicator-messages
[02:40] <knome> i will definitely be working with it.
[02:41] <bluesabre> So far, I'm stumped
[02:41] <knome> mmh :/
[02:41] <bluesabre> If only mr_pouit were around to fix everything... :D
[02:42] <knome> haha
[02:42] <knome> i think i'm off to bed
[02:42] <knome> 6am soon
[02:42] <bluesabre> Wowza
[02:42] <bluesabre> I've been complaining and its not even AM here
[02:43] <knome> haha, well, it's weekend + entrepreneur + foss stuff needs to be done..
[02:43] <bluesabre> Well, have a good night knome!
[02:43] <smartboyhw> knome: A question before sleep:) Can i?
[02:44] <knome> can you what?
[02:44] <knome> ask ahead if that's what you're asking
[02:44] <smartboyhw> Can I ask a question I mean:)
[02:44] <smartboyhw> Is it that using docbook to edit the documentation is better than to use the browser to edit?
[02:45] <knome> no.
[02:45] <smartboyhw> Oh
[02:46] <knome> docbook is the format we will need to convert the documentation from the wiki when it is finished
[02:46] <knome> convert the documentation TO from...
[02:46] <smartboyhw> ah
[02:47] <knome> so nothing to worry about. except for me.
[02:47] <smartboyhw> HAHAHAHA. Good night knome
[02:47] <smartboyhw> Have a good sleep:_
[02:47] <knome> night
[02:47] <knome> see you all later
[02:47] <smartboyhw> Bye bye
[02:49] <Unit193> Good night, knome.
[02:52] <micahg> gah, live images 759/733, seems something new snuck in...
[02:52]  * micahg will take a look later tonight to see if it's fixable
[02:54] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[06:13] <micahg> unfortunately, everything looks normal :(
[06:17] <micahg> oh, right, llvm added ~7MB at least
[06:48] <len-live> Just wondering if xubuntu is having a problem with duplicate desktop icons for removable storage devices in the last few days?
[06:50] <len-live> I am testing ubuntustudio which does have this bug #1044896. Not sure if it is something with xfce4.10 or something just with studio
[07:00] <micahg> len-live: can you provide a screenshot pleasE?
[07:02] <smartboyhw> micahg: Ask len-dt now:)
[09:49] <pleia2> doesn't mention us, but :) http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/624056:xfce-410-the-sane-linux-desktop
[09:50] <smartboyhw> pleia2: I'm stunned they didn't mention xubuntu
[09:51] <pleia2> why? there are a lot of xfce-based distros :)
[09:51] <smartboyhw> ;) But I think ours was the most famous
[09:51] <pleia2> well we haven't even released a stable version with 4.10 yet
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Ah yes. That's why
[09:52] <smartboyhw> Silly me
[09:52] <smartboyhw> pleia2: You know where astraljava has been? Haven't seen him for at least 10 days or so:(
[09:52] <pleia2> I haven't heard from him (haven't looked either)
[09:52] <smartboyhw> ...
[10:15] <fmolinero> Hi
[10:15] <ochosi> hullo
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Hello fmolinero
[10:15] <smartboyhw> \o ochosi too
[10:16] <fmolinero> I try to submit a test result but I got a drupal error
[10:16] <fmolinero> Notice: Undefined index: qatracker_result in qatracker_user_results_form_validate() (line 618 of /srv/drupal-qa-tracker/www/bzr/new/modules/qatracker/user/qatracker.user.results.php).
[10:16] <fmolinero> Every failure needs to have at least one bug associated with it.
[10:16] <fmolinero> ??
[10:18] <smartboyhw> fmolinero: You DO need a bug
[10:19] <fmolinero> No
[10:19] <fmolinero> The test was OK
[10:19] <smartboyhw> So did you make it a passed testcase?
[10:19] <fmolinero> I tciked "pased"
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's weird
[10:19] <fmolinero> yes
[10:20] <smartboyhw> GIve me a screenshot of the result you are trying to hand in
[10:20] <fmolinero> OK, wait
[15:25] <len-dt> micahg, I will post screen shots when I can. However there is indication that vanilla shows the same thing on unity.
[15:25] <len-dt> Unity uses a different  file manager for it's desktop so maybe gvfs is doing funny things.
[15:26] <ochosi> len-dt: strange, i can't reproduce that with my vbox at all
[15:27] <len-dt> It may be a difference in config from xubuntu to ubuntustudio
[15:27] <ochosi> hm right
[15:27] <len-dt> That was why I asked here first :)
[15:28] <len-dt> I was thinking there was a change in xfce 4.10 that US has not yet accounted for
[15:28] <ochosi> you said only external drives were shown twice?
[15:28] <len-dt> Yes
[15:29] <len-dt> Actually it is "removeable" drives which includes internal drives that are not used
[15:29] <len-dt> (or mounted)
[15:30] <ochosi> what happens if you go to xfdesktop's settings and disable showing external drives all-together there?
[15:30] <len-dt> Then I only have one set of removable drives showing.
[15:31] <ochosi> i.e. it works that way
[15:31] <len-dt> BTW this is on the studio live Session from the ISO. unity is broken just now so I can't install
[15:31] <ochosi> aha
[15:31] <ochosi> but why unity, is US planning to use unity?
[15:32] <len-dt> No, it is one of the responses I got from the bug report
[15:32] <len-dt> Someone else has seen the same thing in unity
[15:32] <ochosi> hard to imagine the two would be related, but who knows..
[15:33] <ochosi> i'm not even sure xfdesktop uses gio or gvfs at all, it's rather old
[15:33] <len-dt> That is why I was thinking gvfs
[15:33] <len-dt> I don't know either
[15:33] <ochosi> you could take a look at the settings-editor after changing the option in xfdesktop to not show external media
[15:33] <ochosi> just to see whether there's some oddity in xfconf
[15:34] <len-dt> I was just trying to think what else it could be
[15:36] <ochosi> are you using greybird as default theme atm?
[15:36] <len-dt> I will try that when I have time to test the ISO again. I have an appointment this morning (Gig)
[15:36] <len-dt> yes greybird
[15:36] <len-dt> But it has much more blue in it these days
[15:36] <ochosi> i also managed to make blackbird usable for the first time
[15:37] <ochosi> you can also give that a shot
[15:37] <ochosi> it has the problems of a mixed (i.e. dark/bright) theme, but it looks nice and is closer to the old US theme than greybird
[15:37] <len-dt> Personally I like the extra blue, It makes it easier to see which window is focused
[15:37] <ochosi> thanks :)
[15:38] <len-dt> I will try blackbird then
[15:38] <ochosi> yeah, even if it's just for fun ;)
[15:38] <ochosi> feedback appreciated, but since we're past UI freeze i'll only be able to fix critical bugs
[15:39] <len-dt> I don't think too many of our team are looking at the ISOs right now so I am not getting comments on my changes even
[15:39] <ochosi> hmm, sorry to hear
[15:39] <len-dt> Gives me a lot of freedom :)
[15:40] <ochosi> hehe
[15:40] <ochosi> good, always look on the bright side :)
[15:40] <len-dt> Anyway, thankyou for the help. I need to get going
[15:40] <ochosi> sure
[15:41] <ochosi> sorry i couldn't help for real
[21:08] <greg_> Hi there. I've got 12.10 running in virtual box, found the checklist to generate a report and don't know where to file it. Anyone have the link?
[21:11] <GridCube> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:11] <greg_> cool. thanks