[22:35] <airurando> zmoylan: thanks for the post to the mailing list!
[22:35] <zmoylan> no worries.  no feedback so far though...
[22:35] <airurando> thinking about my reply to it and the previous e-mails
[22:35] <airurando> yeah.
[22:35] <zmoylan> it be worth a ubuntu meetup just the same.  even just at the potd
[22:36] <zmoylan> *it'd
[22:36] <airurando> think ubuntu-ie needs to regroup
[22:36] <airurando> potd looks good to me
[22:37] <zmoylan> even if we can get 3-4 people to breakdown all the little tasks that need doing and keep them going it would help instead of it all falling on one person
[22:37] <airurando> and meetings and other events at a less frequent level
[22:37] <zmoylan> when is the next potd?
[22:37] <airurando> not sure
[22:37] <zmoylan> haven't been at one in quite a while
[22:38] <airurando> will keep my mailing list ears open
[22:38] <airurando> looking forward to skycon12
[22:38] <zmoylan> hope it goes off well.  had a good time at the one i was at a few years back.
[22:39] <airurando> no chance you'll make this one?
[22:40] <zmoylan> a trip to limerick would be a journey too far.
[22:40] <zmoylan> i can do a days journey but an overnighter... not quite yet
[22:40] <airurando> pity
[22:41] <zmoylan> i'm sure it'll bring in the geeks with xkcd author there. :-)
[22:41] <airurando> :-)
[22:41] <airurando> we got a ubuntu conference pack for it
[22:41] <airurando> should be a great weekend
[22:42] <zmoylan> i wonder if ubuntu needs such things anymore?  everyone knows of it.  the cds are a download away for most.
[22:43] <airurando> fair point
[22:43] <airurando> but I do believe it is not universal yet
[22:44] <airurando> CDs to people at skycon to distribute to people not at skycon
[22:44] <airurando> if you know what i mean
[22:44] <zmoylan> wonder how those will work with win8 systems
[22:44] <airurando> aye
[22:44] <airurando> scary
[22:44] <airurando> not sure
[22:44] <zmoylan> trying to get a new system before win8 comes out.
[22:45] <airurando> good idea
[22:45] <zmoylan> suspect that in a year or so it won't be an issue but there could be a year 18 months of crappy non linux compatible systems out there.
[22:45] <zmoylan> already telling people that i won't touch a box with win8 on it.
[22:46] <airurando> hope not
[22:46] <airurando> not that long at least
[22:46] <airurando> will stick with what I have for a while
[22:46] <zmoylan> you'll have to experiment with every system to find how to turn off crappy uefi if it's possible on that system.
[22:47] <airurando> uefi is beyone me.  If ubuntu doesn't work out of the box I'm beat....
[22:48] <zmoylan> it used to be when linux first came on the scene with live cds that you had to play around in the bios to make it boot from cd.  that put off a lot of people back then.  uefi is much worse.
[22:49] <airurando> I first encountered linus in 1998-1999 Redhat 5.2
[22:49] <airurando> *linux
[22:49] <zmoylan> same here.
[22:50] <zmoylan> well a little before that but 5.2 was one of the first versions i really played with.
[22:50] <airurando> I was no more enlightened then then now
[22:50] <zmoylan> back then it was more complex as linux loved scsi. and scsi was a beast to configure
[22:50] <airurando> miracle I got RH 5.2 up and running
[22:51] <zmoylan> it was easy to get running.  it was hard to get running using the best settings for your hardware.
[22:51] <zmoylan> so it was easy to get vga up and going at 640x480.  but above that could be a challenge.
[22:52] <airurando> I was jsut lucky with the second hand hardware I had
[22:52] <zmoylan> second hand hardware was better supported ironically.
[22:52] <zmoylan> poor nerds couldn't afford the latest and greatest hardware. :-)
[22:53] <airurando> aye, and v. lucky for me
[22:53] <airurando> :)
[22:53] <zmoylan> even now the best graphic cards are supported sporadically.
[22:53] <zmoylan> but now it's down to the secretiveness of the graphic card companies.
[22:53] <airurando> takes time to catch up with new stuff
[22:54] <airurando> reverse engineer adn other lofty stuff
[22:54] <zmoylan> and also because the companies aren't easy to work with.
[22:54] <zmoylan> as linus so graphically put it.
[22:55] <airurando> :)
[22:55] <airurando> I really feel that ubuntu has turned a corner particularly in relation to unity (I know, not universally accepted)
[22:55] <zmoylan> linux has come a long way since then.
[22:55] <airurando> indeed it has
[22:55] <zmoylan> unity has it's place.  just not as my desktop.
[22:55] <zmoylan> you saw the stephen fry video from oggcamp?
[22:55] <airurando> yeah but you is a talented geek
[22:56] <airurando> me and my like are not
[22:56] <zmoylan> you shouldn't have to be.
[22:56] <airurando> exactly
[22:56] <zmoylan> i believe that a good os can be used by everyone.  linux is that os.
[22:57] <airurando> but does unity even loosely fit the bill?
[22:57] <airurando> I think so
[22:57] <airurando> point;
[22:57] <airurando> apple control hardware and software
[22:57] <zmoylan> it's a ui for tablets.  that's good.  but a desktop needs more.
[22:57] <zmoylan> apple and microsoft are making the same mistake.  and it is a mistake
[22:57] <airurando> fair point but intuitive is the name of the game
[22:58] <airurando> unity is intuitive
[22:58] <zmoylan> not really.  everyone i hear still 'gets used to it' not jumps in with both feet going this is much better.
[22:59] <airurando> but who are you talking to?
[22:59] <airurando> other geeks?
[22:59] <airurando> mr or ms jones on the street?
[23:00] <zmoylan> with my insomnia i've read the entire web twice :-)
[23:00] <zmoylan> i see all! :-D
[23:00] <airurando> :-O
[23:00] <zmoylan> those on forums, those on twitter, those on irc
[23:00] <zmoylan> and if any space faring aliens make a comment.  i'll read that too. ;-)
[23:01] <airurando> most of my friends are on none of those
[23:01] <zmoylan> i know, but it's still a good cross section.
[23:01] <airurando> I just put 12.04 on my sisters battered desktop and she is delighted
[23:02] <zmoylan> well against xp, vista or win7 it's a revelation.
[23:02] <airurando> :-)
[23:02] <airurando> indeed
[23:02] <zmoylan> lighter on resources and less dumb
[23:03] <airurando> I like the idea of an open source osX equivalent
[23:03] <airurando> I think that is ideal for the masses
[23:03] <zmoylan> well osx is signing it's own death warrant.  it's like apple didn't learn from the 80s when they sued everyone then.
[23:04] <airurando> no argument here
[23:04] <airurando> oh just realised the time!
[23:04] <zmoylan> sleep well
[23:04] <airurando> today is my 43rd birthday!
[23:04] <airurando> not sleeping yet
[23:04] <zmoylan> happy birthday!  IN CAPS EVEN.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[23:05] <airurando> enjoying the chat
[23:05] <airurando> thanks
[23:05] <zmoylan> i'm here most evening so just shout if you're bored.
[23:05] <airurando> will do . hope the hip is behaving!
[23:05] <zmoylan> should be awake till 0700 or so. :-/
[23:06] <airurando> :-(
[23:06] <zmoylan> the hip is still sore.  the insomnia is making it harder to keep active.  still can't sleep longer than 4 hours at a time.
[23:07] <airurando> what is the medical advice on that?
[23:07] <zmoylan> on wed i have to drag myself into town to prove to social welfare that i'm still incapable of work.
[23:07] <airurando> surely something can be done for you?
[23:08] <zmoylan> went to sleep apnea clinic.  they think it's mostly insomnia but want to arrange a sleep clinic where they study my stats while i sleep. in about 2-3 months seemingly.  still waiting for a date.
[23:08] <airurando> hmmmm
[23:08] <airurando> typical
[23:09] <zmoylan> can't concentrate to read a book.  can't concentrate to learn a new programming language.  memory is a bit fritzy at times.  like you having to remind me to send email.  little things like that.
[23:10] <zmoylan> normally have photographic memory.  now have wonky memory so have to learn to do everything differently.
[23:10] <airurando> well if you can't sleep I reckon all that is a given!!!
[23:10] <airurando> do/can you get any exercise?
[23:10] <zmoylan> but how do you prove to social welfare you can't sleep?
[23:11] <airurando> doctor cert?
[23:11] <airurando> I find after exercise I sleep like a baby
[23:11] <zmoylan> i get out 3-4 times a week.  now that i am down to one crutch i bought a wheeled shopping trolley.  now i can do all my shopping in 2 trips.  this leaves me 1-2 trips a week just for exercise.
[23:12] <zmoylan> usually on days i exercise like today. i only sleep 4 hours in a 24 hour period.  on days i don't exercise i can squeeze in a second 4 hour sleep in the afternoon.
[23:13] <airurando> In my totally uneducated opinion, as much exercise as you can manage would help with sleep
[23:13] <zmoylan> so sleep or exercise. decisions decisions.
[23:13] <airurando> no exercise THEN sleep or so i think at least :-)
[23:14] <zmoylan> but even sleeping 4 hours twice a day isn't the same as sleeping 7-8 hours in one go.  so like a zombie at times. driving me nuts.
[23:15] <zmoylan> but for exercise i did get to walk down east and west pier on last two sundays.  west pier the last sunday was tough as surface is rougher.
[23:15] <airurando> aye
[23:16] <airurando> did that help with sleep?
[23:16] <zmoylan> no.  only 4 hours sleep that day.
[23:16] <zmoylan> utterly shattered by time i got home.
[23:16] <zmoylan> but worth it.
[23:17] <airurando> :-(
[23:17] <zmoylan> have to keep pushing new hip.
[23:17] <zmoylan> build the muscle back up.
[23:18] <airurando> aye
[23:18] <zmoylan> might try and do mullens hill tomorrow.  very rough terrain but fantastic view.
[23:19] <airurando> hope you do and good luck with it.
[23:20] <zmoylan> haven't been there in a decade.
[23:20] <zmoylan> take a nice panorama view on 7" tablet
[23:21] <airurando> go for it
[23:21] <airurando> :-
[23:21] <airurando> :-) even
[23:21] <zmoylan> so doing anything special for birthday?
[23:22] <airurando> not really
[23:22] <airurando> at least I'm not working
[23:22] <zmoylan> get yourself a tech pressie?
[23:22] <airurando> maybe dinner out in eddie rockets or something like that
[23:23] <zmoylan> get to see any of the tall ships?
[23:23] <airurando> yeah a tech pressie of sorts
[23:23] <zmoylan> oooooh, go on :-)
[23:23] <airurando> but not really
[23:23] <airurando> don't get excited
[23:23] <airurando> :-)
[23:24] <airurando> a garmin swim
[23:24] <zmoylan> neat
[23:24] <zmoylan> ...what is it? :-)
[23:24] <airurando> did a super sprint triathlon last juse here in athy
[23:24] <airurando> loved it
[23:24] <zmoylan> ah, makes sense.  how long is the swim in the triathlon?
[23:25] <airurando> garmin swim is a watch that will give me date re my pool swimming
[23:25] <airurando> *data
[23:26] <zmoylan> have being thinking about pocket watches recently.  nobody is making a modern pocket watch.
[23:26] <airurando> I will be repeating the super sprint event in 2013 and have a young nephew to beat so I need all the help I can get
[23:26] <zmoylan> with the larger form factor than a wrist watch they could squeeze in a ton of interesting hardware.
[23:27] <zmoylan> offer him laxative chocolate just before the event?  :-)
[23:28] <airurando> it might come to that!
[23:30] <airurando> nn zmoylan
[23:30] <zmoylan> trying to remember the name of the aussie extreme race winner who ran in hobnail boots.
[23:30] <zmoylan> cya