[00:52] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu Riley88 (~riley@h70.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net abusive, offtopic
[02:39] <Corey> *ponder*
[02:41] <elky> Corey, if you want to whackamole them, please do. i don't really have time right now
[02:41] <Corey> Yeah, I'm considering it.
[02:41] <elky> most of them looked to be from the one modemcable id anyway
[03:05] <ow> iLHaM, maia-43, h4h4, Enterprices, Wawa2, BarONx_Say, zAhriE, co_chn_SPA are bots
[10:16] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu fujisan once again joins to troll
[10:16] <elky> where now?
[10:16] <ikonia> just hit ubuntu - I re-banned
[10:16] <ikonia> then started bragging in #macosx
[11:35] <bazhang> some attitude on vivid there
 anyway, i better get out of here before the 4am linux nazis come for me
[14:04] <mneptok> wasn't vivid banned?
[14:14] <bazhang> mneptok, just /kicked
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> mneptok: I would like to know how that statement is snarky at all, the one you're telling me about
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> Psi-Jack: Filesystems do not have folders. Laundry rooms have folders. Filesystems have directories.
[15:14] <Psi-Jack> I've been using that for /over/ a year now, and so far, you're the only one to ever say anything bad about it. :p
[15:17] <mneptok> Psi-Jack: here's my point.
[15:18]  * mneptok cannot be bothered to help anyone that cannot learn the difference between possessives (OS's) and plurals (OSes)
[15:18] <mneptok> ^^^^ snarky ^^^^
[15:19] <mneptok> and what you are saying is, in essence, the exact same thing.
[15:19] <mneptok> so please. don't.
[15:19] <Psi-Jack> If I omitted the "Laundry rooms have folders." would that be acceptable?
[15:21] <mneptok> no.
[15:21] <mneptok> because look at the reponse you got.
[15:22] <mneptok> a user ended up typing an additional and needless 1-2 sentences to address your comment.
[15:22] <Psi-Jack> Then you are just being overbearing, to be frankly blunt. Neither communication on my part is snarky, but informative. It is UP TO THEM to correct their mistake, and if they do not, I just stop communicating altogether, but in detail, I do not tell them that, it's up to them.
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> I will correct anyone that is wrong, politely as I did.
[15:23] <mneptok> and there's no reason to *start* a conversation there. if you want to inform someone of proper nomenclature, do so after you have tried helping. they'll probably be more receptive.
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> No.
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> You're being literally unacceptable.
[15:23] <mneptok> you are entitled to your opinion.
[15:24] <Psi-Jack> I help quite a few people, and I correct very seldomly, and only to the people communicating with me, or that I intend to offer help to.
[15:25] <Psi-Jack> I don't randomly just do it because I see it. :p
[15:25] <mneptok> the amount of help given does not change what we consider acceptable conduct.
[15:26] <mneptok> picayune nomenclature niggles are not usually a path that leads to sunny meadows.
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> I'm still wondering how it goes against "acceptable conduct." in this case, to merely simply correct someone.
[15:27] <mneptok> people come to #u looking for help. they do not expect to start with a lesson on proper terminology. it elevates frustration levels needlessly.
[15:28] <Psi-Jack> Okay, then I can no longer provide help in #ubuntu. And will abstain from doing so until I get the say of other ops in mutual agreement to your statements.
[15:28] <Psi-Jack> I completely disagree with you, sorry.
[15:29] <mneptok> that's fine.
[15:29] <mneptok> but go look at logs. Sangeli never addressed you directly for help before you jumped in and corrected them.
[15:29] <Psi-Jack> No, I /was offering/ to help.
[15:29] <Psi-Jack> And I did so.
[15:30] <Psi-Jack> And have continued doing so, during /this/ conversation.
[15:30] <mneptok> help with Ubuntu. leave help with terminology to other venues, or until initial issues are solved.
[15:30] <Psi-Jack> I will correct terminology when used incorrectly, period.
[15:30] <bazhang> it's not welcome
[15:30] <Psi-Jack> As they come, not /after/. it's quite pointless after.
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> bazhang: You agree with mneptok, then?
[15:31] <bazhang> one user refused to help unless another one, seeking help, capitalized his i
[15:32] <bazhang> I need as opposed to i need
[15:32] <Psi-Jack> That one's pretty silly, indeed.
[15:32] <bazhang> so excessive correction etc is not needed
[15:33] <mneptok> Psi-Jack: not to the person doing the correcting. and if you are going to be forgiving of others' opinions as i have of yours ....
[15:33] <Psi-Jack> I only refuse to help people that obviously don't want to learn, (correction of folder vs directory, for example, refusal to even so much as look at a manual page, etc), or use shtspk, "u", "thx", "ur", etc.
[15:33] <bazhang> the 'u' and 'ur' are valid points
[15:33] <mneptok> !im
[15:33] <bazhang> !u
[15:33] <Psi-Jack> heh
[15:33] <mneptok> ach so.
[15:34] <Psi-Jack> But what does a one-time statement of trying to correct someone about the term of using directory vs share have any issue?
[15:34] <Psi-Jack> Err, directory vs folder, sorry.
[15:34] <mneptok> Psi-Jack: it's a channel of 1500+ users that are ALL able to make "one time statements"
[15:35] <bazhang> my view is that there are a ton of users, not all are fluent/native speakers, wanting to get some help. corrections of that alone would bring the channel to a standstill
[15:35] <Psi-Jack> mneptok: To people you are about to help, as I just did for SAngeli_, whom I did successfully provide help to, and he willingly corrected his use of words willingly on his own understandingly?
[15:36] <Psi-Jack> Did it bring the channel to any kind of standstill?
[15:37] <mneptok> Psi-Jack: what more than "it's unwelcome" needs to be said?
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> I mean, at the very least, I can say it's not belligerent in a statement such as, "If you want my help, I will expect you to use the proper terms. Filesystems do not have folders, they have directories." kind of statement.
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> Note the specific tone change there.
[15:39] <mneptok> "Help me doctor! I broke my leg!"   "Actually, you broke your tibia and have a hairline fracture of the fibula. Now, let me show you on the chart. When you can identify all the bones of the human leg, we'll talk about a painkiller."
[15:39] <Psi-Jack> Completely out of focus.
[15:40] <mneptok> i don't think so.
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> That, I would say is over the top, because it's completely stupidly insane. :)
[15:42] <mneptok> i need to go on with my day. so let's wrap this up. please do not try to demonstrate to others how clever and informed you are by showing off your vocabulary. it is unwelcome, as indicated by more than just one op. continue to do it and your ability to use Ubuntu channels may be negatively impacted.
[15:42] <mneptok> note the specific tone change there.
[15:42] <Psi-Jack> My intended goal is to educate, /correctly/, but educate based on the "acceptability of them being partially wrong."
[15:43] <Psi-Jack> Err, not educate based on ..
[18:45] <Cpudan80> Hey
[18:45] <Cpudan80> Can someone explain why floodbot muted me?
[18:46] <Cpudan80> I didnt paste anything...?
[18:47] <IdleOne> let me take a look
[18:47] <Cpudan80> looks like some kind of netsplit happened
[18:48] <IdleOne> I think you passed the X lines in Y time
[18:48] <Cpudan80> heh ok
[18:48] <Cpudan80> so fewer enter key presses, got it
[18:48] <IdleOne> happens sometimes. yup.
[18:51] <IdleOne> Cpudan80: if there is nothing else, please don't idle in here. Thank you.
[18:51] <Cpudan80> k
[20:25] <fujisan> hello
[20:26] <fujisan> i just wanted to let you guys know
[20:27] <fujisan> that after years of therapy i see i trolled the ubuntu namespace a lot i wanted to say I'm sorry and was hoping for some forgiveness and maybe even contribute to the community