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AlanBellchoo choo04:45
MartijnVdSmoo04:58
davmor2Morning all car to garage now to wait for my chauffer driven very extended and raised red limo to get me somewhere near my final destination07:40
hoovergood morning08:25
dwatkinshiya08:30
JamesTaitGoooooooooooooooood morning all! :)08:31
christelMORNING Pretties08:31
JamesTaitchristel: o/08:31
TheOpenSourcererHello all.08:35
Laneyahoy08:40
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christelhi hi Laney, TOS, JamesTait \o08:42
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:43
* bigcalm jumps on christel08:44
diplo_Morning all08:44
* JamesTait averts his eyes08:44
christelheeya bigcalm, diplo_ \o/08:50
gordlaunchpad so slow :(08:51
TheOpenSourcerergord: I blame czajkowski08:55
czajkowskigord: where?08:56
gordczajkowski, just branching, i only get 1MB/s :(08:58
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davmor2Morning all again irc is still easier on pc than a phone or tablet09:15
jacobwmorning09:15
jacobwAnything is easier on a keyboard than on a phone or a tablet09:16
davmor2jacobw: I don't know it's harder to take photos with a keyboard :)09:16
jacobw:)09:18
jacobwWithin reason :p09:18
jacobwWhat does paste.ubuntu.com run?09:19
tsimpson^ text-based communication is easier with a physical keyboard than with a limited size on-screen keyboard09:20
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:21
shaunonothing wrong with taking pictures from the keyboard either.  hitting space with a tethered cam is easier than trying to hit a touchscreen button without jolting the camera09:21
davmor2tsimpson: indeed09:21
davmor2and a morning PROD to czajkowski09:21
czajkowskilo09:22
bigcalmMorning davmor209:23
davmor2bigcalm: morning dude09:23
bigcalmdavmor2: bluetooth keyboard makes deving on the xoom tablet feasible09:24
davmor2bigcalm: indeed, but then you kinda lose the portability of the tablet/phone, I dropped the car in for service and to get the jobs that need doing done, and had to wait for the bus so I thought irc say morning, it's really not a bad experience on the s3 but it's not as friendly as a keyboard :)09:26
bigcalmdavmor2: quite so. You get used to the limitations. Andchat is a nice irc client09:27
davmor2bigcalm: I'm using androirc it's not bad at all09:28
czajkowskiirssiconnectbot is also rather good09:30
davmor2hey guys have you seen this http://www.youtube.com/embed/53_qvMQfvOE funky09:32
bigcalmdavmor2: amusing09:37
hooverhey bigcalm09:40
bigcalmMorning hoover09:41
davmor2bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/embed/53_qvMQfvOE :D09:48
bigcalmdavmor2: would be handy without the embed part of the url09:49
bigcalmdavmor2: and that's the same link as before09:49
davmor2bigcalm: that just how it came, they are emailed links to me09:50
bigcalmA youtube digest?09:50
davmor2bigcalm: nah my mom sends them to me if she thinks I'll like them09:51
bigcalmAh09:51
diploanyone know the official place to get Google Logos, my google foo is failing this morning10:13
diploSpecifically after what I should use for G+10:13
diploAnd I find it straight after asking!10:14
JohnRoberthello10:19
JohnRobertI ought to start a LUG here in cambridge10:20
JohnRobertseeing as the existing one doesn't exist10:20
bigcalmMmmm, Deadmau5's new album is rather minimalist, still enjoyable10:21
davmor2meh virgin are working on the street level box again then, just had to go tell them they'd knocked me off the internet D'oh10:28
mungojerrylol, there's one on cambridge heath rd that the doors are always open, and the tramps use it to store their beers10:29
bigcalmHopefully my new router will be here tomorrow so that I can use 3g when VirginMedia feel ill again10:30
matttOHAAAAAI10:30
bigcalmmungojerry: good to know where one can get free beer10:30
mungojerrybigcalm, *may be urine10:32
bigcalmmungojerry: that's the price one pays when sourcing free beer10:32
mungojerrythe box is pretty open to the elements and local dogs. i wonder how anyone has a working connection from the green box of doom10:33
JohnRoberteau de yak urine10:45
bigcalmA RD reference, Monday is off to a good start10:46
diplomungojerry: We used to have one round our way, at least half a dozen people told them and they didn't come out for months to fix the doors.10:48
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mungojerrydiplo, i used to be on virgin and had terrible service. the engineer would come out and say, the router is overloaded i've switched you over. then the next month another one would come out and siwtch me back saying the router was overloaded...repeat ad infinitum until i moved house10:50
mungojerrynot using virgin until their fibre is cheap10:51
diploSame here pretty much mungojerry10:52
diploAlso downloading torrents, this was legal stuff basically brought my line to it's knees10:52
diploSo had to move to iso's / direct links10:52
JohnRobertanyone here running ubuntu on a macbook pro/macbook air etc?10:59
JohnRobertjust wondering if it'd be worth getting apple hardware to run ubuntu on10:59
gordi hear its tricky11:01
Laneyyes, macbook pro11:01
Laneyworks mostly fine11:01
JohnRobertmostly fine11:03
JohnRobertheh11:03
JohnRobertsounds fishy11:03
mungojerrywhat graphics cards do mac use?11:03
JohnRobertsounds like my thinkpads11:03
JohnRobertsupposedly everything works out the box11:03
JohnRobertuntil you hook up external monitor or whatever11:03
BigRedSHmm. I've set Dovecot to not permit ssl2 and on port 993 it refuses attempts to connect using SSL2, but it appears to let them in on 143, anyone got any ideas why?11:05
directhexhuh? there should be no SSL listener on port 14311:06
directhexTLS on the other hand...11:06
BigRedSSSL3 == TLS1, doesn't it?11:07
BigRedSbut, yeah, I'm confused, too. it's just that the PCI scan is complaining about it and they make a reasonable point11:07
BigRedSActually, on connecting, I do only get the line "CONNECTED(00000003)11:08
directhexSSL starts from the point of "i will only accept communications which begin with an SSL handshake"11:08
BigRedS" and not a whole bunch of cert stuff, so I wonder if it's reverting to clear text or something11:08
directhexTLS works from the point of "i will accept unencrypted communications, then do a handshake when i receive a STARTTLS packet, and be encrypted after that point"11:09
BigRedSAhh, right. I assumed they were equivalent, and starttls was a means of switching over to an encrypted stream11:09
Laneyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19426353 :3 :3 :311:25
jacobwis it possible to load balance TLS?11:27
mgdmjacobw: in what sense? You can load balance most IP things11:31
jacobwyeah, i wasn't being clear there11:31
jacobwi mean http load balancing11:31
mgdmthre's a few ways to do it11:32
mgdmYou can just do it at layer 5 (or so) with no knowledge of the protocol above, with various things11:32
mgdmor you can terminate the HTTPS stuff on something like nginx or pound and speak HTTP to the back ends11:33
mgdmor a variety of other ways11:33
mgdmround-robin DNS would work, too :)11:33
jacobwthe decrypt and route method is only thing i'm aware of that works11:33
jacobw:)11:34
jacobwthat's another way of doing it11:34
jacobwhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/09/03/0110259/how-apples-story-is-like-breaking-bad11:37
jacobwi'm never reading slashdot again, that's just ridiculous11:38
BigRedSslashdot's been ridiculous for a very long time11:46
jacobwsomehow i've kept reading it11:50
mattti sit near a guy at work who reads it religiously11:51
matttalways surprises me tho, i thought that site was dead11:52
BigRedSI think there's always a group of people who are surprised to find there's still a group of people who read it12:32
jacobw:D12:33
mungojerryi read it. it's on my twitter feed. has some interesting stories if i've missed the original 2 days before12:33
mungojerryits just a news aggregator12:33
BigRedShaha, yeah, that's what I keep noticing - it's always the last source to get the news12:36
* jacobw is trying out 'breaking bad'12:43
jacobwmetacritic 74 →  99 over 5 series, that's impressive12:44
dwatkinsjacobw: it's very entertaining, although a little concerning at times12:46
jacobwconcerning?12:49
dwatkinsthe writers must have had to do all kinds of crazy research or something12:49
dwatkinsperhaps they interviewed people in prisons, I guess12:50
jacobwi see12:51
jacobwi've never seen the wire, but i've heard similar things about it12:51
dwatkinsit's definitely not a show for children12:51
dwatkinsI don't know about The Wire.12:51
dwatkinsReading its wikipedia entry it does sound fascinating.12:52
jacobwum, are their stalagtites in your abode?12:53
dwatkinso.O I'm not sure what you mean, jacobw.12:53
jacobwit's a little odd to not have heard of 'the wire'12:54
jacobwi was implying that you've been living in a cave :)12:54
dwatkinsOh I've heard about it, had several people reccomend it, I just havn't gotten around to watching it yet :)12:54
jacobwi'm in exactly the same situation12:55
dwatkinsI tend to be a bit all-or-nothing about TV shows, I'll start watching one (this week it's Leverage, the cheesy US remake of Hussle) and I'll watch every single episode of it, at the exclusion of almost every other show.12:55
jacobw"yeah, i'll watch that it someday"12:55
jacobwi do that too12:55
jacobwleverage is nowhere near as good as hustle :(12:55
dwatkinsI sometimes rewatch Stargate, that's one of my favourites, but that takes a while as there are over 200 episodes, as you may know.12:55
dwatkinsI agree, Hussle is ace.12:56
jacobwi didn't know there's >200 episodes of stargate12:56
dwatkinsBurn Notice is very cheesy, but somehow manages to be quite watchable.12:56
dwatkinsYeah, they went a bit silly for episodes number 100 and 200.12:56
mgdmI don't remember 100, but I do 20012:56
jacobwi've never watched any series set in space, other than red dwarf12:56
dwatkins10 seasons of the original show, plus 5 of Atlantis and 2 of SGU. That's a lot of puddles.12:57
dwatkinsjacobw: I thoroughly reccomend Firefly.12:57
jacobwah, i really will get around to watching that someday12:57
hooverBabylon 5 for the win (except for season 4 & 5 ;-)12:57
* dwatkins whispers 'Crusade' at hoover 12:58
mungojerryis anyone aware of a chargable singlepurpose bluetooth device that isn't a phone, for using blue proximity?13:00
directhex"singlepurpose"?13:00
dwatkinsmungojerry: I used to use a computer to do a level 2 ping, does that count?13:01
mungojerrydirecthex, i.e. the sole purpose of being a bluetooth device.13:01
bigcalmI have a bluetooth GPS blob thingy13:01
mungojerrybigcalm, is it portable and chargable?13:01
bigcalmmungojerry: yes13:01
mungojerry:D link pls?13:01
bigcalmNo idea where it is though :D13:01
bigcalmOh, humm13:01
directhexwiimote!13:02
bigcalmmungojerry: google bluetooth gps13:02
mungojerrythanks bigcalm found one13:03
bigcalmmungojerry: goodo. Though a wiimote might be a cheaper device to play with (esp if you already have one)13:04
mungojerrythe gps device is 15 quid and is chargable via usb13:06
mungojerryprobably pants for that price13:07
bigcalmDepends upon your requirements. Might do all that you need it to13:08
popeymungojerry, apple magic trackpad :)13:08
mungojerrydoesn't fit in the pocket very well to lock your screen when you walk away13:08
bigcalmOh, that's what it's for then13:09
popeywhy not use a phone?13:09
shaunoa mouse would work, but it'd give a strong visual of "and I'm taking my toys with me"13:09
mungojerryphone+bluetooth tends to kill battery13:10
mungojerryhence single purpose device that sits in a bag13:10
popeymost blutetooth things kill battery13:10
mungojerryyeah13:11
popeyhow about a bluetooth headset?13:11
popeythey're tiny and rechargeable13:11
mungojerrytrue. i have a plantronics one that lasts a long time13:11
mungojerryi don't know whyt the colleague in question doesn't just lock his pc though13:12
shaunosounds like a bad use-case for bluetooth really.  don't most devices do the same thing, where they crank up the power when they're searching for their host?13:14
shaunoso leaving it on & searching for a pair would give you a lot less battery than you expect13:14
mungojerrytbh i think its a sledgehammer for a nut, since autolock after 5 mins and remembering ctrl-alt-l should be suifficient13:16
popeyattach your pass to a usb key13:18
popeypull key = screen lock13:18
bigcalmdavmor2: you cannot win The Game13:21
bigcalmdavmor2: you can only loose13:21
davmor2No I beat I would die in the game and I did I win Muhahahahahahahahahaa13:21
bigcalmI'm confused, or you are13:22
mungojerryhey, windows8 is resulting in some cool laptops13:22
mungojerryi won't be an early adopter on these touch-enabled laptops but hope more come out13:23
davmor2bigcalm: I'm guessing it is a hunger games thing, which I'm still to see so I just thought I befuddle you :)13:24
bigcalmdavmor2: http://www.losethegame.com/13:26
jacobwtransformers ftw13:26
bigcalmjacobw: step up or down?13:26
nzeroxhey guys13:26
nzeroxi'm trying to get openct to work on ubuntu13:26
nzeroxbut i'm getting the following error:13:27
nzeroxError: can't open /var/run/openct/status: Permission denied13:27
jacobw:)13:28
davmor2bigcalm: that's just wrong13:28
bigcalmdavmor2: that's the point of The Game :)13:29
* davmor2 wonders if we can get that web apped :)13:29
jacobwnzerox: did you install from packages? which user are you running it as?13:29
DJonesDear Mr Knight13:31
DJonesI would like to apply for the job of IT Support Officer which was advertised in today.s13:31
DJonesJournal.13:31
DJonesFor the past four years I have worked in IT with Brown.s. As the company is moving13:31
DJonesto another part of the country, I will be made redundant in two weeks. time.13:31
DJonesMy present job involves various IT duties in person and by phone. I also:13:31
DJones. dealwithITqueries13:31
DJones. handleincomingcalls13:31
DJones. handleincomingandoutgoingpost13:31
DJones. orderprinterconsumables.13:31
popeyoooops13:31
DJonesBefore this job I was a trainee with Brightson.s (Solicitors) in North Street, Invertown13:31
DJonesand completed RSA I and II in Business Administration and have various Microsoft13:31
DJonespackage experience.13:31
DJonesI have always enjoyed working with people and think my previous experience will13:31
DJonesallow me to work as part of the team and to be an effective representative of13:31
DJonesyour company.13:31
dwatkinsdon't we have a bot that stops flooding?13:31
DJonesI am available for interview at any time and could start work immediately. You can ask13:31
DJonesfor references from my present and previous employers.13:31
DJonesPlease find enclosed a copy of my CV for more information.13:31
DJonesI look forward to hearing from you.Urgh, sorry13:31
DJonessorry13:31
DJonesStupid middle click13:32
DJonesYep13:32
popeyheh13:32
jacobwum, bad paste?13:32
DJonesOnly in the main channels13:32
dwatkinsI've done that sort of thing before, at least you didn't give away any sensitive information, DJones13:32
jacobwyus13:32
bigcalmDJones: good luck :)13:32
dwatkinsah I see13:32
dwatkinsyeah, hope you get the job :)13:32
popeywow, that's a mighty long password you have there DJones13:32
bigcalmShame the channel is publicly logged13:32
DJonesThat only pasted half of it13:32
bigcalmWhere can we read the rest? ;)13:32
DJonesProbably floating round in my mind13:33
dwatkinson a penguin13:34
nzeroxjacobw: hey i installed it from packages yep, I am running at as a normal login13:34
DJonesJust looking at options at the minute since my job came to an end last week, trying to work out if I can build up enough clients of my own to work for myself13:34
jacobwnzerox: try `sudo service openct start`13:37
jacobwnzerox: the package provides an init script that starts and stops openct on boot13:37
nzeroxjacobw: i did reboot the system after installing13:38
nzeroxjacobw: i will try it again, now13:38
jacobwhang on13:38
jacobwcheck `sudo service openct status`13:39
jacobwthat should tell you if the service is running or not13:39
nzeroxthat returns Usage: /etc/init.d/OpenCt {start|stop|restart|force-reload}13:41
jacobwunfortunately, not all init scripts provide the status option13:41
nzeroxthats no problem13:42
jacobwyou can search the process tree with `ps -e | grep 'openct'`13:42
nzeroxthat doesn't return anything13:44
nzeroxeven after i do sudo /etc/init.d/openct start13:44
nzeroxIt shouldn't be this hard to make a card reader work :(13:45
dwatkinsit's not upper case is it? i.e. try grep -i 'openct'13:47
nzeroxanyone here have a infinity usb unlimited smart card writer working on ubuntu?13:47
jacobwhttp://www.opensc-project.org/openct/wiki/QuickStart13:48
jacobwhave you used openct-tool as described?13:48
nzeroxthat's what i am trying to do13:48
nzeroxbut i get that error13:48
jacobwok, it's a permissions problems, run the command with sudo13:49
dwatkinsthe upper case nature of the script concerns me13:49
nzeroxwhen i run with sudo there is no error13:54
nzeroxbut13:54
nzeroxthat file doesn't not exist in the system13:54
Jorahi15:29
jacobwhi15:33
mungojerryjust spun up gnome3.6 to take a look. pretty if you like using a couple of maximised windows, useless for those with 30-40 windows open15:34
mungojerryor even 15-2015:34
mungojerrystill a palaver to get an application opened15:34
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ali1234popey: looks like the "improve unity menus" thing has been quietly dropped from 12.1016:54
ali1234the option to disable global menus that is16:54
ali1234makes me glad i didn't try to persevere with unity in the hopes it would improve16:55
popeyali1234, some things we really wanted to get done this cycle just didn't have enough time16:56
ali1234yeah16:56
popeyso some things have been pushed back to 13.0416:56
popeynot necessarily "dropped" as such16:56
ali1234it's unfortunately that adding yet more rubbish like LIM and HUD comes before fixing existing bugs16:57
popeywe're landing stuff late even now16:57
ali1234this is why i dropped unity16:57
ali1234you obviously didn't want to get them done that much16:57
ali1234otherwise you would have given them higher priority16:57
popeythats oversimplifying it just a smidge :)16:58
ali1234kiss16:59
davmor2popey: I think smidge is underselling it a mediocre amount maybe17:00
jacobwunity2d is gone now :(17:22
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kvarleyI just got an Acer Aspire 5750G which has an Nvidia GT 540M graphics card in which uses their Optimus technology. What are my options with regards to drivers on Ubuntu 12.04.1?17:51
davmor2kvarley: try the live cd?17:52
kvarleydavmor2: All works aside from the brightness control of the screen and Unity 3D so I assume they are both driver issues17:52
kvarleyAfk 20mins17:52
exaemevening all18:28
exaemdoubt any of you remember me but I used to come on here about a year ago under the alias "jutnux" :P18:38
matttexaem: ohai18:42
exaemmattt: hiya18:42
* MartijnVdS likes his new 85mm lens20:17
MartijnVdShttp://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/7924180282/in/photostream/ <-- result20:17
exaemMartijnVdS: Very nice.20:43
exaemBet it cost more than the camera itself?20:43
dogmatic69bigcalm: WHY U NO BASH SCRIPT21:08
bigcalmdogmatic69: It's the creation of the gitlab projects that is a pita21:09
bigcalmI converted 114 svn projects to git with a bash script though21:09
dogmatic69http://bin.cakephp.org/view/25929375421:10
dogmatic69gitlab?21:10
bigcalmYou don't know of gitlab?21:10
dogmatic69:/ nope21:10
bigcalmIt's an open source implementation of github :)21:10
bigcalmRun it on your own servers21:10
dogmatic69ah, I heard of this github clone on the weekend21:10
dogmatic69apparently it is pretty much 100% clone21:11
bigcalmIndeed21:11
bigcalmNot everything is there though. No pretty graphs for instance21:11
dogmatic69hmm, github must be pretty pissed :D21:11
bigcalmDoubt it21:11
dogmatic69bigcalm: ok, how about a quick bit of selenium?21:12
bigcalmIt still requires you to host your own server21:12
bigcalmdogmatic69: never used it. Might work though21:12
* bigcalm shrugs21:12
dogmatic69you can code up (in php) some browser clicks etc, and then feed array of names etc21:12
dogmatic69100 is worth automating21:12
dogmatic69lol21:13
dogmatic69irony https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq21:14
bigcalm:)21:14
davmor2evening all21:16
dogmatic69o/21:16
dogmatic69oh, alt-tab in vm's == WORKING \o/21:16
davmor2whats the name of the irc proxy server thingy lots of people use to stay connected to irc please?21:19
Daraeldavmor2: Well, /I/ use irssi-in-screen-on-server, but there may be another method...21:20
davmor2Darael: I'm pretty sure there is it's like a proxy server21:22
davmor2czajkowski: ping ^21:22
bigcalmdavmor2: I use irssi's built in proxy. It's very easy to use21:22
Daraeldavmor2: I've seen mention of an IRC bouncer - could that be it?21:22
bigcalmdavmor2: http://irssi.org/documentation/proxy21:23
davmor2Darael: could be21:23
davmor2bigcalm: ta I have a look a it21:23
bigcalmdavmor2: ignore the compile bit, it comes with the module installed with ubuntu21:23
davmor2I keep ircd and I'm pretty sure it's not that :)21:24
mgdm+1 for irssi inside screen (or actually tmux for me these days)21:25
Daraelmgdm: I've been meaning to try switching to tmux, but never got around to it.  Just how much better is it?21:26
czajkowskiI use screen + irssi21:27
czajkowskiso I always have it running and then just connect in when I watnt to chant and detach when away21:27
mgdmDarael: I'm not using much of it, really, I just find it has a more comprehensible set of shortcuts and options21:28
DaraelThere's an irssi script that sets /away when screen's detatched - very nifty when combined with irssi-plugin-xmpp.  I don't really need another IM client any more (though I do use Psi+, in point of fact).21:29
bigcalmI do the same, except use the proxy and connect to it via xchat. Using an extra script: when I disconnect, I'm automatically set away. Any mentions or private messages are then emailed to me. Most useful21:29
mgdmyeah, screen_away.pl has been ported so I have a tmux_away.pl :)21:29
Daraelmgdm: I was going to ask.  Excellent.21:29
davmor2okay thanks all21:30
davmor2bigcalm: except everyone is now going to wait for you to be away and fill your inbox for you :D21:32
mgdmmuahahahahhaa21:32
bigcalmdavmor2: yeah, people play now and then when they find out. And then it dies off and becomes useful again :)21:32
davmor2bigcalm: :D21:33
bigcalmStill here, sorry :P21:33
Myrttitmux + irssi ♥21:34
mgdmMyrtti: yep21:36
czajkowskiAlanBell: is there a jam on in london this week ?21:37
AlanBellI was going to ask the same question of popey when he is back cz21:50
AlanBell<tab>21:50
davmor2hello from irssi, just having a play locally22:02
davmor2this is gonna take some getting used to :)22:11
Joranew to freenode?22:12
davmor2nope playinf with irssi of a gui client22:12
Joraoh okay22:12
davmor2playing even22:12
bigcalmDRINK!22:21
Joraskal!22:21
davmor2bigcalm: no ta22:21
bigcalmLooks like davmor2 is new to typing ;)22:22
bigcalmdavmor2: fine, be thirsty22:22
davmor2bigcalm: no I'm typing on a rocking laptop which isn't helping :D22:23
AlanBelldavmor2: irssi connectbot on android is rather fine for screen+irssi on phone22:24
davmor2AlanBell: I'm having a play with irssi locally first I might look at something more permanent on my server after.  Or do what bigcalm does and use the proxy if I can figure it out :)22:26
AlanBellyeah, it just all makes sense when you start a conversation on the laptop then walk out and continue it on the phone22:29
davmor2yeah that is kinda why I was looking into it22:30
AlanBellsee, now I am on the laptop, but I am off to bed, I could continue this conversation from bed, but that would be odd, so I will go to sleep instead22:30
AlanBellnight o/22:30
davmor2AlanBell: night dude22:31
davmor2I'm off too as my battery is about to die22:32
bigcalmSleeeeeeeep22:53

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