=== Lcawte is now known as zz_Lcawte [04:45] choo choo [04:58] moo [07:40] Morning all car to garage now to wait for my chauffer driven very extended and raised red limo to get me somewhere near my final destination [08:25] good morning [08:30] hiya [08:31] Goooooooooooooooood morning all! :) [08:31] MORNING Pretties [08:31] christel: o/ [08:35] Hello all. [08:40] ahoy === zz_Lcawte is now known as Lcawte [08:42] hi hi Laney, TOS, JamesTait \o [08:43] Good morning peeps :) [08:44] * bigcalm jumps on christel [08:44] Morning all [08:44] * JamesTait averts his eyes [08:50] heeya bigcalm, diplo_ \o/ [08:51] launchpad so slow :( [08:55] gord: I blame czajkowski [08:56] gord: where? [08:58] czajkowski, just branching, i only get 1MB/s :( === diplo_ is now known as diplo [09:15] Morning all again irc is still easier on pc than a phone or tablet [09:15] morning [09:16] Anything is easier on a keyboard than on a phone or a tablet [09:16] jacobw: I don't know it's harder to take photos with a keyboard :) [09:18] :) [09:18] Within reason :p [09:19] What does paste.ubuntu.com run? [09:20] ^ text-based communication is easier with a physical keyboard than with a limited size on-screen keyboard [09:21] good morning everyone. [09:21] nothing wrong with taking pictures from the keyboard either. hitting space with a tethered cam is easier than trying to hit a touchscreen button without jolting the camera [09:21] tsimpson: indeed [09:21] and a morning PROD to czajkowski [09:22] lo [09:23] Morning davmor2 [09:23] bigcalm: morning dude [09:24] davmor2: bluetooth keyboard makes deving on the xoom tablet feasible [09:26] bigcalm: indeed, but then you kinda lose the portability of the tablet/phone, I dropped the car in for service and to get the jobs that need doing done, and had to wait for the bus so I thought irc say morning, it's really not a bad experience on the s3 but it's not as friendly as a keyboard :) [09:27] davmor2: quite so. You get used to the limitations. Andchat is a nice irc client [09:28] bigcalm: I'm using androirc it's not bad at all [09:30] irssiconnectbot is also rather good [09:32] hey guys have you seen this http://www.youtube.com/embed/53_qvMQfvOE funky [09:37] davmor2: amusing [09:40] hey bigcalm [09:41] Morning hoover [09:48] bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/embed/53_qvMQfvOE :D [09:49] davmor2: would be handy without the embed part of the url [09:49] davmor2: and that's the same link as before [09:50] bigcalm: that just how it came, they are emailed links to me [09:50] A youtube digest? [09:51] bigcalm: nah my mom sends them to me if she thinks I'll like them [09:51] Ah [10:13] anyone know the official place to get Google Logos, my google foo is failing this morning [10:13] Specifically after what I should use for G+ [10:14] And I find it straight after asking! [10:19] hello [10:20] I ought to start a LUG here in cambridge [10:20] seeing as the existing one doesn't exist [10:21] Mmmm, Deadmau5's new album is rather minimalist, still enjoyable [10:28] meh virgin are working on the street level box again then, just had to go tell them they'd knocked me off the internet D'oh [10:29] lol, there's one on cambridge heath rd that the doors are always open, and the tramps use it to store their beers [10:30] Hopefully my new router will be here tomorrow so that I can use 3g when VirginMedia feel ill again [10:30] OHAAAAAI [10:30] mungojerry: good to know where one can get free beer [10:32] bigcalm, *may be urine [10:32] mungojerry: that's the price one pays when sourcing free beer [10:33] the box is pretty open to the elements and local dogs. i wonder how anyone has a working connection from the green box of doom [10:45] eau de yak urine [10:46] A RD reference, Monday is off to a good start [10:48] mungojerry: We used to have one round our way, at least half a dozen people told them and they didn't come out for months to fix the doors. === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:50] diplo, i used to be on virgin and had terrible service. the engineer would come out and say, the router is overloaded i've switched you over. then the next month another one would come out and siwtch me back saying the router was overloaded...repeat ad infinitum until i moved house [10:51] not using virgin until their fibre is cheap [10:52] Same here pretty much mungojerry [10:52] Also downloading torrents, this was legal stuff basically brought my line to it's knees [10:52] So had to move to iso's / direct links [10:59] anyone here running ubuntu on a macbook pro/macbook air etc? [10:59] just wondering if it'd be worth getting apple hardware to run ubuntu on [11:01] i hear its tricky [11:01] yes, macbook pro [11:01] works mostly fine [11:03] mostly fine [11:03] heh [11:03] sounds fishy [11:03] what graphics cards do mac use? [11:03] sounds like my thinkpads [11:03] supposedly everything works out the box [11:03] until you hook up external monitor or whatever [11:05] Hmm. I've set Dovecot to not permit ssl2 and on port 993 it refuses attempts to connect using SSL2, but it appears to let them in on 143, anyone got any ideas why? [11:06] huh? there should be no SSL listener on port 143 [11:06] TLS on the other hand... [11:07] SSL3 == TLS1, doesn't it? [11:07] but, yeah, I'm confused, too. it's just that the PCI scan is complaining about it and they make a reasonable point [11:08] Actually, on connecting, I do only get the line "CONNECTED(00000003) [11:08] SSL starts from the point of "i will only accept communications which begin with an SSL handshake" [11:08] " and not a whole bunch of cert stuff, so I wonder if it's reverting to clear text or something [11:09] TLS works from the point of "i will accept unencrypted communications, then do a handshake when i receive a STARTTLS packet, and be encrypted after that point" [11:09] Ahh, right. I assumed they were equivalent, and starttls was a means of switching over to an encrypted stream [11:25] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19426353 :3 :3 :3 [11:27] is it possible to load balance TLS? [11:31] jacobw: in what sense? You can load balance most IP things [11:31] yeah, i wasn't being clear there [11:31] i mean http load balancing [11:32] thre's a few ways to do it [11:32] You can just do it at layer 5 (or so) with no knowledge of the protocol above, with various things [11:33] or you can terminate the HTTPS stuff on something like nginx or pound and speak HTTP to the back ends [11:33] or a variety of other ways [11:33] round-robin DNS would work, too :) [11:33] the decrypt and route method is only thing i'm aware of that works [11:34] :) [11:34] that's another way of doing it [11:37] http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/09/03/0110259/how-apples-story-is-like-breaking-bad [11:38] i'm never reading slashdot again, that's just ridiculous [11:46] slashdot's been ridiculous for a very long time [11:50] somehow i've kept reading it [11:51] i sit near a guy at work who reads it religiously [11:52] always surprises me tho, i thought that site was dead [12:32] I think there's always a group of people who are surprised to find there's still a group of people who read it [12:33] :D [12:33] i read it. it's on my twitter feed. has some interesting stories if i've missed the original 2 days before [12:33] its just a news aggregator [12:36] haha, yeah, that's what I keep noticing - it's always the last source to get the news [12:43] * jacobw is trying out 'breaking bad' [12:44] metacritic 74 → 99 over 5 series, that's impressive [12:46] jacobw: it's very entertaining, although a little concerning at times [12:49] concerning? [12:49] the writers must have had to do all kinds of crazy research or something [12:50] perhaps they interviewed people in prisons, I guess [12:51] i see [12:51] i've never seen the wire, but i've heard similar things about it [12:51] it's definitely not a show for children [12:51] I don't know about The Wire. [12:52] Reading its wikipedia entry it does sound fascinating. [12:53] um, are their stalagtites in your abode? [12:53] o.O I'm not sure what you mean, jacobw. [12:54] it's a little odd to not have heard of 'the wire' [12:54] i was implying that you've been living in a cave :) [12:54] Oh I've heard about it, had several people reccomend it, I just havn't gotten around to watching it yet :) [12:55] i'm in exactly the same situation [12:55] I tend to be a bit all-or-nothing about TV shows, I'll start watching one (this week it's Leverage, the cheesy US remake of Hussle) and I'll watch every single episode of it, at the exclusion of almost every other show. [12:55] "yeah, i'll watch that it someday" [12:55] i do that too [12:55] leverage is nowhere near as good as hustle :( [12:55] I sometimes rewatch Stargate, that's one of my favourites, but that takes a while as there are over 200 episodes, as you may know. [12:56] I agree, Hussle is ace. [12:56] i didn't know there's >200 episodes of stargate [12:56] Burn Notice is very cheesy, but somehow manages to be quite watchable. [12:56] Yeah, they went a bit silly for episodes number 100 and 200. [12:56] I don't remember 100, but I do 200 [12:56] i've never watched any series set in space, other than red dwarf [12:57] 10 seasons of the original show, plus 5 of Atlantis and 2 of SGU. That's a lot of puddles. [12:57] jacobw: I thoroughly reccomend Firefly. [12:57] ah, i really will get around to watching that someday [12:57] Babylon 5 for the win (except for season 4 & 5 ;-) [12:58] * dwatkins whispers 'Crusade' at hoover [13:00] is anyone aware of a chargable singlepurpose bluetooth device that isn't a phone, for using blue proximity? [13:00] "singlepurpose"? [13:01] mungojerry: I used to use a computer to do a level 2 ping, does that count? [13:01] directhex, i.e. the sole purpose of being a bluetooth device. [13:01] I have a bluetooth GPS blob thingy [13:01] bigcalm, is it portable and chargable? [13:01] mungojerry: yes [13:01] :D link pls? [13:01] No idea where it is though :D [13:01] Oh, humm [13:02] wiimote! [13:02] mungojerry: google bluetooth gps [13:03] thanks bigcalm found one [13:04] mungojerry: goodo. Though a wiimote might be a cheaper device to play with (esp if you already have one) [13:06] the gps device is 15 quid and is chargable via usb [13:07] probably pants for that price [13:08] Depends upon your requirements. Might do all that you need it to [13:08] mungojerry, apple magic trackpad :) [13:08] doesn't fit in the pocket very well to lock your screen when you walk away [13:09] Oh, that's what it's for then [13:09] why not use a phone? [13:09] a mouse would work, but it'd give a strong visual of "and I'm taking my toys with me" [13:10] phone+bluetooth tends to kill battery [13:10] hence single purpose device that sits in a bag [13:10] most blutetooth things kill battery [13:11] yeah [13:11] how about a bluetooth headset? [13:11] they're tiny and rechargeable [13:11] true. i have a plantronics one that lasts a long time [13:12] i don't know whyt the colleague in question doesn't just lock his pc though [13:14] sounds like a bad use-case for bluetooth really. don't most devices do the same thing, where they crank up the power when they're searching for their host? [13:14] so leaving it on & searching for a pair would give you a lot less battery than you expect [13:16] tbh i think its a sledgehammer for a nut, since autolock after 5 mins and remembering ctrl-alt-l should be suifficient [13:18] attach your pass to a usb key [13:18] pull key = screen lock [13:21] davmor2: you cannot win The Game [13:21] davmor2: you can only loose [13:21] No I beat I would die in the game and I did I win Muhahahahahahahahahaa [13:22] I'm confused, or you are [13:22] hey, windows8 is resulting in some cool laptops [13:23] i won't be an early adopter on these touch-enabled laptops but hope more come out [13:24] bigcalm: I'm guessing it is a hunger games thing, which I'm still to see so I just thought I befuddle you :) [13:26] davmor2: http://www.losethegame.com/ [13:26] transformers ftw [13:26] jacobw: step up or down? [13:26] hey guys [13:26] i'm trying to get openct to work on ubuntu [13:27] but i'm getting the following error: [13:27] Error: can't open /var/run/openct/status: Permission denied [13:28] :) [13:28] bigcalm: that's just wrong [13:29] davmor2: that's the point of The Game :) [13:29] * davmor2 wonders if we can get that web apped :) [13:29] nzerox: did you install from packages? which user are you running it as? [13:31] Dear Mr Knight [13:31] I would like to apply for the job of IT Support Officer which was advertised in today.s [13:31] Journal. [13:31] For the past four years I have worked in IT with Brown.s. As the company is moving [13:31] to another part of the country, I will be made redundant in two weeks. time. [13:31] My present job involves various IT duties in person and by phone. I also: [13:31] . deal with IT queries [13:31] . handle incoming calls [13:31] . handle incoming and outgoing post [13:31] . order printer consumables. [13:31] oooops [13:31] Before this job I was a trainee with Brightson.s (Solicitors) in North Street, Invertown [13:31] and completed RSA I and II in Business Administration and have various Microsoft [13:31] package experience. [13:31] I have always enjoyed working with people and think my previous experience will [13:31] allow me to work as part of the team and to be an effective representative of [13:31] your company. [13:31] don't we have a bot that stops flooding? [13:31] I am available for interview at any time and could start work immediately. You can ask [13:31] for references from my present and previous employers. [13:31] Please find enclosed a copy of my CV for more information. [13:31] I look forward to hearing from you.Urgh, sorry [13:31] sorry [13:32] Stupid middle click [13:32] Yep [13:32] heh [13:32] um, bad paste? [13:32] Only in the main channels [13:32] I've done that sort of thing before, at least you didn't give away any sensitive information, DJones [13:32] yus [13:32] DJones: good luck :) [13:32] ah I see [13:32] yeah, hope you get the job :) [13:32] wow, that's a mighty long password you have there DJones [13:32] Shame the channel is publicly logged [13:32] That only pasted half of it [13:32] Where can we read the rest? ;) [13:33] Probably floating round in my mind [13:34] on a penguin [13:34] jacobw: hey i installed it from packages yep, I am running at as a normal login [13:34] Just looking at options at the minute since my job came to an end last week, trying to work out if I can build up enough clients of my own to work for myself [13:37] nzerox: try `sudo service openct start` [13:37] nzerox: the package provides an init script that starts and stops openct on boot [13:38] jacobw: i did reboot the system after installing [13:38] jacobw: i will try it again, now [13:38] hang on [13:39] check `sudo service openct status` [13:39] that should tell you if the service is running or not [13:41] that returns Usage: /etc/init.d/OpenCt {start|stop|restart|force-reload} [13:41] unfortunately, not all init scripts provide the status option [13:42] thats no problem [13:42] you can search the process tree with `ps -e | grep 'openct'` [13:44] that doesn't return anything [13:44] even after i do sudo /etc/init.d/openct start [13:45] It shouldn't be this hard to make a card reader work :( [13:47] it's not upper case is it? i.e. try grep -i 'openct' [13:47] anyone here have a infinity usb unlimited smart card writer working on ubuntu? [13:48] http://www.opensc-project.org/openct/wiki/QuickStart [13:48] have you used openct-tool as described? [13:48] that's what i am trying to do [13:48] but i get that error [13:49] ok, it's a permissions problems, run the command with sudo [13:49] the upper case nature of the script concerns me [13:54] when i run with sudo there is no error [13:54] but [13:54] that file doesn't not exist in the system [15:29] hi [15:33] hi [15:34] just spun up gnome3.6 to take a look. pretty if you like using a couple of maximised windows, useless for those with 30-40 windows open [15:34] or even 15-20 [15:34] still a palaver to get an application opened === Lcawte is now known as zz_Lcawte [16:54] popey: looks like the "improve unity menus" thing has been quietly dropped from 12.10 [16:54] the option to disable global menus that is [16:55] makes me glad i didn't try to persevere with unity in the hopes it would improve [16:56] ali1234, some things we really wanted to get done this cycle just didn't have enough time [16:56] yeah [16:56] so some things have been pushed back to 13.04 [16:56] not necessarily "dropped" as such [16:57] it's unfortunately that adding yet more rubbish like LIM and HUD comes before fixing existing bugs [16:57] we're landing stuff late even now [16:57] this is why i dropped unity [16:57] you obviously didn't want to get them done that much [16:57] otherwise you would have given them higher priority [16:58] thats oversimplifying it just a smidge :) [16:59] kiss [17:00] popey: I think smidge is underselling it a mediocre amount maybe [17:22] unity2d is gone now :( === DJones is now known as Guest18084 === Guest18084 is now known as DJones === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === DJones is now known as Guest29203 === dgjones is now known as Guest74619 [17:51] I just got an Acer Aspire 5750G which has an Nvidia GT 540M graphics card in which uses their Optimus technology. What are my options with regards to drivers on Ubuntu 12.04.1? [17:52] kvarley: try the live cd? [17:52] davmor2: All works aside from the brightness control of the screen and Unity 3D so I assume they are both driver issues [17:52] Afk 20mins [18:28] evening all [18:38] doubt any of you remember me but I used to come on here about a year ago under the alias "jutnux" :P [18:42] exaem: ohai [18:42] mattt: hiya [20:17] * MartijnVdS likes his new 85mm lens [20:17] http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/7924180282/in/photostream/ <-- result [20:43] MartijnVdS: Very nice. [20:43] Bet it cost more than the camera itself? [21:08] bigcalm: WHY U NO BASH SCRIPT [21:09] dogmatic69: It's the creation of the gitlab projects that is a pita [21:09] I converted 114 svn projects to git with a bash script though [21:10] http://bin.cakephp.org/view/259293754 [21:10] gitlab? [21:10] You don't know of gitlab? [21:10] :/ nope [21:10] It's an open source implementation of github :) [21:10] Run it on your own servers [21:10] ah, I heard of this github clone on the weekend [21:11] apparently it is pretty much 100% clone [21:11] Indeed [21:11] Not everything is there though. No pretty graphs for instance [21:11] hmm, github must be pretty pissed :D [21:11] Doubt it [21:12] bigcalm: ok, how about a quick bit of selenium? [21:12] It still requires you to host your own server [21:12] dogmatic69: never used it. Might work though [21:12] * bigcalm shrugs [21:12] you can code up (in php) some browser clicks etc, and then feed array of names etc [21:12] 100 is worth automating [21:13] lol [21:14] irony https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq [21:14] :) [21:16] evening all [21:16] o/ [21:16] oh, alt-tab in vm's == WORKING \o/ [21:19] whats the name of the irc proxy server thingy lots of people use to stay connected to irc please? [21:20] davmor2: Well, /I/ use irssi-in-screen-on-server, but there may be another method... [21:22] Darael: I'm pretty sure there is it's like a proxy server [21:22] czajkowski: ping ^ [21:22] davmor2: I use irssi's built in proxy. It's very easy to use [21:22] davmor2: I've seen mention of an IRC bouncer - could that be it? [21:23] davmor2: http://irssi.org/documentation/proxy [21:23] Darael: could be [21:23] bigcalm: ta I have a look a it [21:23] davmor2: ignore the compile bit, it comes with the module installed with ubuntu [21:24] I keep ircd and I'm pretty sure it's not that :) [21:25] +1 for irssi inside screen (or actually tmux for me these days) [21:26] mgdm: I've been meaning to try switching to tmux, but never got around to it. Just how much better is it? [21:27] I use screen + irssi [21:27] so I always have it running and then just connect in when I watnt to chant and detach when away [21:28] Darael: I'm not using much of it, really, I just find it has a more comprehensible set of shortcuts and options [21:29] There's an irssi script that sets /away when screen's detatched - very nifty when combined with irssi-plugin-xmpp. I don't really need another IM client any more (though I do use Psi+, in point of fact). [21:29] I do the same, except use the proxy and connect to it via xchat. Using an extra script: when I disconnect, I'm automatically set away. Any mentions or private messages are then emailed to me. Most useful [21:29] yeah, screen_away.pl has been ported so I have a tmux_away.pl :) [21:29] mgdm: I was going to ask. Excellent. [21:30] okay thanks all [21:32] bigcalm: except everyone is now going to wait for you to be away and fill your inbox for you :D [21:32] muahahahahhaa [21:32] davmor2: yeah, people play now and then when they find out. And then it dies off and becomes useful again :) [21:33] bigcalm: :D [21:33] Still here, sorry :P [21:34] tmux + irssi ♥ [21:36] Myrtti: yep [21:37] AlanBell: is there a jam on in london this week ? [21:50] I was going to ask the same question of popey when he is back cz [21:50] [22:02] hello from irssi, just having a play locally [22:11] this is gonna take some getting used to :) [22:12] new to freenode? [22:12] nope playinf with irssi of a gui client [22:12] oh okay [22:12] playing even [22:21] DRINK! [22:21] skal! [22:21] bigcalm: no ta [22:22] Looks like davmor2 is new to typing ;) [22:22] davmor2: fine, be thirsty [22:23] bigcalm: no I'm typing on a rocking laptop which isn't helping :D [22:24] davmor2: irssi connectbot on android is rather fine for screen+irssi on phone [22:26] AlanBell: I'm having a play with irssi locally first I might look at something more permanent on my server after. Or do what bigcalm does and use the proxy if I can figure it out :) [22:29] yeah, it just all makes sense when you start a conversation on the laptop then walk out and continue it on the phone [22:30] yeah that is kinda why I was looking into it [22:30] see, now I am on the laptop, but I am off to bed, I could continue this conversation from bed, but that would be odd, so I will go to sleep instead [22:30] night o/ [22:31] AlanBell: night dude [22:32] I'm off too as my battery is about to die [22:53] Sleeeeeeeep