[00:00] <ailo> Still a bit new to debian/rules
[00:06] <ailo> Seemed to work this time :P
[00:11] <ailo> TheMuso: Anyway, I guess I'll talk with UKT about how to proceed. Thanks for the help
[00:15] <ailo> len-dt: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/current_audio_gear
[04:41] <len-dt> ailo, from that page the [presonus] - 1818VSL (USB2) lloks like _the_ USB multi to get.
[04:42] <micahg> does US not have update-manager?
[04:43] <len-dt> It has so far... What is missing?
[04:43] <len-dt> micahg, I thought that came with the basic Ubuntu stuff
[04:43] <micahg> well, update-notifier might drop its depends on it and it's not explicitly seeded in US like it is in Xubuntu
[04:45] <len-dt> micahg, I was about to try todays ISO, I can look for it, but it sounds like you are suggesting we add it to the seeds anyway
[04:48] <micahg> len-dt: if the depends is dropped, yes
[04:49] <len-dt> micahg, I will add it to desktop seeds. Just to be sure then.
[04:50] <len-dt> This time I will make sure my copy is updated before I make any changes :)
[04:50] <len-dt> Thankyou for the heads up micahg 
[04:50] <micahg> sure
[05:13] <ailo> len-dt: That's the one we've been talking about before. Pretty mucht the only superb multi channel usb device
[05:13] <ailo> Didn't know about that page before though
[05:14] <ailo> Thought it might include something new
[05:14] <ailo> Haven't checked yet
[05:46] <smartboyhw> Hi len-nb, how are ya?
[05:46] <Len-nb> for those interested I have added a screen shot of the double icons our ISOs have.
[05:46] <Len-nb> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114599362/Screenshot_doubleicons.png
[05:46] <Len-nb> hi smartboyhw 
[05:47] <smartboyhw> Thanks len-nb, looking at it
[05:47] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I one day got two 4.0GB volumes on my screen
[05:47] <Len-nb> micahg, I have updated the desktop file of our seeds.
[05:48] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, notice how they are not even the same icon.
[05:48] <micahg> Len-nb: looks fine, just FYI, it happens to be a depends elsewhere, but shouldn't matter
[05:48] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I know
[05:48] <smartboyhw> REALLY WEIRD
[05:48] <smartboyhw> Sh...
[05:49] <Len-nb> micahg, I know, the manager shows on the ISO, but it could cause problems in the future
[05:49] <micahg> Len-nb: no, I mean in the other seeds :)
[05:49] <Len-nb> Ah.
[05:52] <smartboyhw> ...
[10:37] <smartboyhw> ailo: You here? I read the backlog and saw that you wrote one can ask Pete Graner for putting up a git repo. The truth is, Pete Graner is not responsible for now. Tim Gardner now is. I knew it by actually doing the process of asking:)
[10:55] <ailo> smartboyhw: Thanks for the info.
[10:55] <smartboyhw> NP.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Hmm, where's scott?
[14:43] <len-dt> smartboyhw, long weekend?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Yes
[14:44] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I think you missed my intent of the comment :)
[14:44] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Why?
[14:44] <len-dt> I think because this is a long weekend, Scott is doing family time
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Ah
[14:53] <ailo> Ok, mailed UKT about -lowlatency on Precise
[14:53] <ailo> Hopefully the ball will start rolling now
[14:54] <len-dt> ailo, \o/
[14:55] <len-dt> ailo, I want to put just a few config changes into 12.10. I need at least your input.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Good
[14:56] <ailo> len-dt: Sure
[14:56] <len-dt> ailo, I want to put swappiness 10
[14:56] <len-dt> ailo, I want to make the timers in the audio group.
[14:57] <len-dt> hrt and rtc
[14:57] <ailo> Both of those seem reasonable. Still haven't got any testing done worth mentioning :(. So, can't say how much improvement the latter will give. The former should help on machines with small RAM, right?
[14:58] <len-dt> ailo, the swappiness I would be willing to do 30 or 40 , but 60 if just too much
[14:58] <ailo> As long as there's no downside, I don't see a problem
[14:59] <ailo> len-dt: I've had those two in mind as well
[14:59] <len-dt> ailo, Ok, I haven't had any problems (even with swappiness 0, but I think 10 is more conservitive
[14:59] <len-dt> I will put them in -settings then
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Wait, I even got a git clone error
[14:59] <smartboyhw> remote: error: refs/heads/master-next does not point to a valid object!
[14:59] <smartboyhw> using the git ailo provided in his email
[15:01] <len-dt> ailo, I think we will call that the blueprint default tweaks done for this cycle after that.
[15:01] <ailo> len-dt: Sure
[15:01] <len-dt> Thanks.
[15:01] <ailo> len-dt: I don't think I will have time to finish anything for this release anyway
[15:01] <len-dt> ailo, ya I was thinking we could continue to work on things for next cycle
[15:02] <ailo> Better just to keep working on them, and have it ready when it's ready
[15:02] <len-dt> +1
[15:02] <len-dt> ailo, thankyou for attending this (informal) meeting :)
[15:03] <ailo> len-dt: :)
[15:04] <ailo> I feel like I've really contributed today ;)
[15:06] <smartboyhw> OK back. Good progress it seems:)
[15:09] <ailo> I'm still trying to figure out how much time certain things take. I'm finally realizing, certain simple tasts take days to complete, and if you have major number of them, you're easily talking months, or maybe years
[15:10] <ailo> Which is why it's stupid to do some things alone
[15:10] <smartboyhw> ailo: It DOES take a hell lot of time:)
[15:10] <len-dt> ailo, time goes fast while coding. All of the things I did this cycle have been small things
[15:10] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Sure you are handling big things now:)
[15:10] <len-dt> no still small things
[15:11] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You are working on a official Ubuntu flavor. Is it a small one????????
[15:11] <len-dt> just about everything I do is less than 20 lines
[15:11] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You are bettter than me]\
[15:11] <len-dt> This is my third cycle
[15:12] <len-dt> it is the first cycle I have directly contributed changes.
[15:12] <len-dt> ailo, and that 20 lines includes changelog :)
[15:14] <ailo> My biggest problem right now is the project I'm doing for my band. It's an all-in-one live audio application, where I pretty much reinvent the wheel for mostly everything. It's all in puredata so far, which is terrificly fast to develop, but the project size is a bit overwhelming. 
[15:15] <ailo> I've often had to start from scratch on many things
[15:15] <len-dt> ailo, things can be.
[15:15] <len-dt> one line at a time
[15:15] <ailo> Now, I'm just trying to find a way to get us out on the road as quickly as possible, something I thought I'd easily have accomplished by now
[15:15] <len-dt> My wife is going through some of the same feeling with her school work
[15:16] <len-dt> She looks at the size of the whole project... once I get her going, it just goes.
[15:17] <ailo> I've never done anything intellectual of this size before, so I always think too positively about how much time it will take. I could probably be more efficient, but not much at this point anymore
[15:18] <ailo> Following a study plan is more comforting, as you know that it is meant to be accomplishable within a given time span
[15:18] <len-dt> Ya. 
[15:18] <ailo> But, if you start solving a problem, you haven't yet defined, you have no idea
[15:18] <ailo> It takes time just to realize what the problems actually are
[15:19] <len-dt> It is nice if it can be broken into smaller chunks.
[15:19] <ailo> Yea
[15:19] <len-dt> each chunk is something that is "done"
[15:19] <ailo> It's the only way to get through it
[15:19] <len-dt> though in a big project one often has to revisit "done" parts
[15:19] <ailo> I've tried to condense things into micro libraries
[15:20] <len-dt> -controls is in python?
[15:20] <ailo> Nah, just the puredata project
[15:21] <ailo> -controls is a bit easier in some sense. But, it requires more research, less coding
[15:21] <len-dt> what language is controls?
[15:21] <ailo> python / gtk
[15:22] <len-dt> I guess I should learn it. Is it more c or c++ like?
[15:22] <ailo> Ah, sorry. I misread before
[15:22] <ailo> Yea, -controls will be all in python
[15:22] <ailo> python is pretty easy
[15:22] <ailo> I think coming from c, it should not be too difficult
[15:23]  * len-dt is getting old and finding it harder to learn new things
[15:23] <len-dt> good, I do much better in c than object world
[15:23] <ailo> You can use classes in python of course
[15:24] <len-dt> I understand how objects work... but the nut and bolts get to me.
[15:25] <len-dt> I like tk/tcl because the lines of code is really low. But it is missing too many things for what I need to do
[15:25] <ailo> I haven't yet tried doing anything advanced gtk with python, like custom surfaces
[15:26] <len-dt> I just want things to work well with the DE theme
[15:26] <ailo> -controls is more or less gtk controls controlling simple scripts (tweaks)
[15:26] <len-dt> I also want something that will work with systray
[15:27] <len-dt> Ya, I want to work on on the fly switching.
[15:27] <len-dt> I want it to be able to integrate well with the controls
[15:28] <len-dt> I understand it is not needed for most modern machines, but there seem to be some people who are interested in it... and I do need it
[15:29] <len-dt> people who do heavy graphics have expressed an interest too
[15:30] <ailo> No reason not to add options, I think. You can always hide most of them in an "advanced" window, if it gets to be too much
[15:31] <len-dt> I'm just letting you know what I am doing so there is no surprise :)
[15:31] <len-dt> is most of your code in the US branch? or is it yet to be commited?
[15:32] <ailo> len-dt: There's no current code really. I haven't started whipping it up yet. Have only gathered resources, as in how this and that detail is done. 
[15:33] <ailo> I need to finish the testing scripts first
[15:33] <ailo> But before that, I simply need to get done with my puredata project
[15:33] <len-dt> Ok. I was mainly interested on any systray parts
[15:33] <ailo> I have some snippets for both systray and indicator
[15:34] <ailo> I'd like for it to work on all systems. XFCE, Unity, Gnome
[15:34] <ailo> Gnome doesn't have any indicator stuff
[15:34] <len-dt> systray is pretty standard
[15:35] <ailo> yea
[15:35] <len-dt> indicator is not something I am well versed with
[15:35] <ailo> It can be made to support multiple, whatever is available
[15:36] <len-dt> I want to change the icon in the systray depending on what mode is rinning
[15:36] <len-dt> *running
[15:37] <len-dt> The icons need to still show what the program is but also that the mode is production not desktop.
[15:54] <ailo> Yea, it's nice having the icon tell you what's happening
[22:41] <stochastic> hi all
[23:33] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Hi mate
[23:52] <len-dt> hello stochastic smartboyhw