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| ochosi | micahg: do you think it makes sense to ask tedg (or someone else) for some support porting the indicator-messages back to gtk2 (i'm not talking about coding or anything, just answering questions) | 09:29 |
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| mr_pouit | ochosi: hey there (porting indicator-messages means basically reimplementing/copypasting 2 or 3 gtk3-only functions in gtk2, so I doubt tedg will answer) | 09:31 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: yeah i know. the main blocker for bluesabre atm are the gtk-actions and gtk-action-groups | 09:35 |
| ochosi | (tbh even though they also exist in gtk2 i can't wrap my head around how to re-implement them) | 09:35 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: also, usb-disk-creator showing in settings manager is due to its desktop file (Category=Settings, but there's no settings in this app, it's wrong) | 10:12 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: ok, so i'll re-assign the bugreport | 10:34 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: bluesabre already filed one :P | 11:31 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: darn... :) | 11:31 |
| pnarciso | hello | 13:15 |
| ochosi | hi | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | hi | 13:16 |
| pnarciso | hey, ochosi, with the beta coming out this week, do we have any hope to see panel gtk indicators fixed? | 13:16 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: probably not for beta1, but we're working on it | 13:17 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: keep your hopes low for indicator-messages, that's the hardest to fix, the others we can hopefully get in for 12.10 | 13:18 |
| ochosi | (i.e. -sound and -application) | 13:18 |
| pnarciso | I haven't encountered much bugs | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | Oh | 13:19 |
| pnarciso | power manager config manager sometimes refuse to run | 13:19 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: oh, that's bad to hear. i've encountered these problems also with xfce4.10 in 12.04 | 13:20 |
| ochosi | if the config-manager refuses to start, that means powerman doesn't run or has crashed | 13:20 |
| pnarciso | Also, why we have two monitor power configurations? one in screensaver and the other in power manager | 13:20 |
| ochosi | that's because both provide it | 13:21 |
| ochosi | they're not related at all though and might use different functions, i'm not sure | 13:21 |
| pnarciso | but what's the prevailing | 13:21 |
| ochosi | we wanted to replace xscreensaver with something else, but didn't have enough time to make lightdm a screenlocker | 13:21 |
| ochosi | so both will prevail | 13:21 |
| ochosi | oh | 13:22 |
| ochosi | well, i mean both will stay installed, in this sense "prevail" :) | 13:22 |
| ochosi | i don't know which of the two has priority | 13:22 |
| ochosi | ideally you'd only set that in one of the two apps | 13:22 |
| pnarciso | that's my doubt | 13:22 |
| pnarciso | power manager in x screensaver is not working | 13:22 |
| pnarciso | at least in my rig | 13:23 |
| pnarciso | if you could test it, would be nice | 13:23 |
| ochosi | what specifically doesn't work? | 13:23 |
| pnarciso | monitor standby | 13:23 |
| ochosi | ok, i'll give it a try | 13:24 |
| pnarciso | xfce power manager sometimes works | 13:24 |
| pnarciso | alsa, I experienced come hard system freeze, while just in desktop | 13:25 |
| pnarciso | also, I experienced come hard system freeze, while just in desktop | 13:25 |
| pnarciso | also, I experienced some hard system freeze, while just in desktop | 13:25 |
| pnarciso | with the latest 3.5 kernel | 13:26 |
| pnarciso | I'm now testing 3.6 rc4 to see if it's more stable | 13:26 |
| ochosi | hmyeah, seems like xscreensaver isn't working in this respect | 13:28 |
| ochosi | (monitor standby) | 13:28 |
| pnarciso | that's what I thought | 13:28 |
| ochosi | i haven't extensively tested this though yet | 13:29 |
| pnarciso | well, in my rig, when I disable power management in xfce and enable it in x screensaver, monitor doesnt enter standby. | 13:30 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's what i just tried | 13:30 |
| ochosi | but i didn't restart anything after setting this option in xscreensaver | 13:31 |
| ochosi | e.g. | 13:31 |
| pnarciso | Only when I set in xfce power it works, but with power manager crashing all the time, it's not very good | 13:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, agreed | 13:31 |
| ochosi | could you file a bug about the power-manager on launchpad? | 13:31 |
| ochosi | i'll check first whether there's a report upsteram | 13:33 |
| ochosi | upstream | 13:33 |
| pnarciso | there's already one bug filed in that manner : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/973778 | 13:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 973778 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Unable to connect to Xfce Power Manager" [Medium,Incomplete] | 13:33 |
| ochosi | quite a few comments there | 13:35 |
| pnarciso | well, gotta go to work, see ya soon | 13:35 |
| pnarciso | bye | 13:35 |
| ochosi | yup, bye | 13:35 |
| pnarciso | hello | 19:51 |
| cc_INC | howdy | 19:51 |
| pnarciso | hey guys, if you use openoffice in quantal, the latest updates broke the menus | 19:55 |
| amerigena | pnarciso : you try installing dropbox on Quantal yet? | 19:57 |
| pnarciso | no, I usually run virtual machines in Windows through Vmware | 19:58 |
| amerigena | OK. | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | ok, forget it, I was thinking in virtualbox | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | No, I never tried that service, no need | 20:00 |
| amerigena | I'm installing Libreoffice right now to see what happens/ | 20:01 |
| pnarciso | are you on xubuntu 12.10? | 20:14 |
| amerigena | Yeah, I'm working with 12.10. And you are correct, no menus in LO after updates. | 20:33 |
| ochosi | hm, could be that ubuntu is patching them away for their global menu | 20:35 |
| knome | hey ochosi | 20:36 |
| ochosi | hi | 20:38 |
| amerigena | K. | 20:41 |
| pnarciso | ochosi, could be but it seems they haven't tested the changes properly | 20:44 |
| pnarciso | release is not that far away, and ubuntu is a bit of a mess right now, especially compiz | 20:44 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: so have you tested unity as well? | 20:53 |
| pnarciso | I'm testing both ubuntu and xubuntu | 20:53 |
| pnarciso | the menus are working in unity | 20:53 |
| ochosi | are they still attached to the window or are they in the panel (=global-menu)? | 20:54 |
| pnarciso | global menu | 20:54 |
| ochosi | hm, that explains it i guess | 20:55 |
| ochosi | if they don't fix that for ppl without global menus, that will be a fantastic release | 20:56 |
| pnarciso | lol | 20:56 |
| pnarciso | they usually fix one thing and break another | 20:56 |
| pnarciso | but there's still time until release | 20:57 |
| ochosi | and usually they don't care if they break things just for others | 20:57 |
| ochosi | but please report a bug about this | 20:57 |
| ochosi | hopefully somebody will take notice | 20:57 |
| pnarciso | there's already a bug about it | 20:57 |
| ochosi | link? | 20:58 |
| pnarciso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1044657 | 20:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1044657 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[regression] [quantal proposed] Missing LO menus when not run in Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:59 |
| pnarciso | and about xubuntu 12.10, have you decided what's is the deafult package manager? | 21:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, USC will stay, synaptic will go | 21:02 |
| pnarciso | :( | 21:02 |
| pnarciso | not a very good decision | 21:02 |
| pnarciso | USC is slow and buggy | 21:02 |
| ochosi | there were no good/real alternatives | 21:02 |
| pnarciso | and sometimes have issues installing external debs | 21:02 |
| ochosi | installing external debs with synaptic never really worked for me | 21:03 |
| ochosi | so... | 21:03 |
| pnarciso | I use gdebi | 21:03 |
| ochosi | anyway, i (and i think i can speak for many here) don't like USC and know how crappy it is | 21:03 |
| ochosi | but there are certain things you can't do without it | 21:03 |
| pnarciso | well, let's see if canonical improve it a little more \ | 21:04 |
| * ochosi isn't keeping his hopes too high | 21:04 | |
| ochosi | seriously, i looked for alternatives, but there weren't any | 21:05 |
| pnarciso | anyway, synaptic will be installed as soon as I install the distro | 21:05 |
| ochosi | there is lubuntu-software-center, but that's still a bit half-baked | 21:05 |
| pnarciso | yes, between the two I prefer USC | 21:05 |
| pnarciso | but you have to change the icons because USC and synaptic have now the same icons | 21:07 |
| ochosi | we won't be able to do that for 12.10 | 21:07 |
| ochosi | UI freeze is over | 21:07 |
| pnarciso | but a ppa could be done for that, or not? | 21:08 |
| ochosi | yeah, or if you wanna fix it for yourself simply delete a few of the icons | 21:08 |
| pnarciso | with some changes that could not enter the final stage | 21:09 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's always possible i guess | 21:09 |
| ochosi | but how many ppl will we really reach with such a ppa | 21:09 |
| ochosi | also: ideally ppl will only have one package manager installed :) | 21:10 |
| pnarciso | yes, ideally, but I do not think USC is a good alternative to synaptic | 21:10 |
| pnarciso | Also, Xubuntu 12.04 had both | 21:11 |
| ochosi | yes, but our iso files are oversized for 12.10 | 21:11 |
| ochosi | we have a real lack of space | 21:11 |
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| knome | that doesn't mean there should be both in the new releases too | 21:11 |
| knome | and really, 1) people can still install synaptic 2) those who want advanced package management can probably live with apt-get too, if they don't want to install synaptic | 21:12 |
| pnarciso | I get that | 21:12 |
| knome | we aren't leaving anybody with USC only.. | 21:13 |
| pnarciso | you have to cut on something, and synaptic had to go | 21:13 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: i still like synaptic, but it seems it's not very much maintained/developed anymore | 21:13 |
| knome | it's not only the space issue | 21:13 |
| knome | also what ochosi said (not maintained) | 21:13 |
| knome | i'm personally prefer synaptic over USC too, but i think that USC is better for many many users | 21:14 |
| knome | and i notice i'm using apt-get anyway, so even if i like synaptic, i'm not using it much | 21:14 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: but anyway, it'd be good if you attend meetings in the next cycle and add your voice | 21:15 |
| knome | ++ for that | 21:15 |
| ochosi | we always try to invite people to those meetings, but there are rarely "newcomers" that really show up | 21:15 |
| pnarciso | I'll do | 21:16 |
| knome | if you want to affect the development, attending the meetings especially on the roadmap building phase is meaningful | 21:16 |
| pnarciso | I'm a linux newbie | 21:16 |
| satya164 | ochosi: what I install in synaptic as dependency, is also marked as manually installed | 21:16 |
| knome | that's the time when we decide what to work on for the next release | 21:16 |
| pnarciso | but I'm into beta testing | 21:16 |
| ochosi | satya164: yeah, there are a couple of issues with synaptic... | 21:16 |
| satya164 | ochosi: it makes it harder to remove packages that were automatically installed | 21:16 |
| pnarciso | A problem with USC is that it doesn't remove all the programs you install, it only removes a specific package, leaving a lot of others behind | 21:18 |
| pnarciso | I also use apt-get to uninstall programs, and not USC or synaptic | 21:18 |
| knome | that sounds exactly what satya164 said about synaptic | 21:18 |
| pnarciso | I like synaptic to look at chancelogs and versions | 21:19 |
| ochosi | well yeah, USC is really not for the power-user | 21:20 |
| ochosi | you can use aptitude instead | 21:20 |
| pnarciso | satya is one of the guys who designed the xubuntu style, isnt it? | 21:20 |
| pnarciso | is aptitude more powerfull than synpatic | 21:21 |
| ochosi | yup, he did most of the gtk3 stuff this cycle | 21:21 |
| pnarciso | good work :) | 21:21 |
| knome | depends what "xubuntu style" means ;] | 21:21 |
| pnarciso | artwork? | 21:21 |
| satya164 | pnarciso: thanks | 21:21 |
| satya164 | knome: :p | 21:21 |
| knome | the artwork was done by me, satya164 ported the greybird theme to gtk3 | 21:22 |
| knome | and ochosi hanged around a bit :d | 21:22 |
| pnarciso | congatulions to all of you then | 21:22 |
| pnarciso | congatulations to all of you then | 21:22 |
| knome | thanks. glad that you like it | 21:22 |
| pnarciso | I like the white more than the brown | 21:22 |
| satya164 | thanks | 21:22 |
| pnarciso | it's more readable | 21:23 |
| satya164 | yeah. agree with you. but still, people have different tastes | 21:23 |
| pnarciso | one thing that you missed was a nice background for the dock bar | 21:23 |
| satya164 | pnarciso: as knome and ochosi said, I did most of the GTK3 work only | 21:24 |
| pnarciso | The bug in xorg is preventing the window borders, for now | 21:25 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: i'm adding it to the idea-bucket here now: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-r-xubuntu-appearance | 21:26 |
| pnarciso | Do you think xorg 1.13 will make it to 12.10 in time | 21:26 |
| ochosi | no clue | 21:27 |
| knome | pnarciso, does that fix the bug? | 21:27 |
| pnarciso | hey ochosi, you can also add a keyboard shortcut to enable and disable compositor. I use that now through a script, and it works very nice | 21:28 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: i hope by "script" you mean xfconf-query? | 21:29 |
| pnarciso | ochosi, yes | 21:29 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: we can add it to an idea list, but this one is for "appearance", kb shortcuts aren't really in that category imo | 21:29 |
| pnarciso | kome, it better fix, because without it, people with nvidia or ppl who use vbox don't have window borders | 21:30 |
| pnarciso | ochosi, ok | 21:30 |
| pnarciso | ochosi, I also have seen a mockup for thunar that organise the devices by category | 21:31 |
| pnarciso | but I guess it didn't make it | 21:31 |
| knome | pnarciso, we will fix the bug somehow anyway | 21:31 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: you mean this one? http://wiki.xfce.org/design/thunar/shortcuts-pane | 21:31 |
| pnarciso | yes that page | 21:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, well i worked on that with jannis | 21:32 |
| ochosi | but he couldn't fix the DND | 21:33 |
| ochosi | and then he got a job and relocated to .uk | 21:33 |
| pnarciso | dnd? | 21:33 |
| ochosi | so i don't see this happening any time soon | 21:33 |
| ochosi | drag and drop | 21:33 |
| pnarciso | ok, i get it, but i was a nice idea | 21:35 |
| ochosi | well hopefully someone will pick it all up | 21:35 |
| ochosi | it would've had much more features than the other filemanagers' sidebars | 21:35 |
| ochosi | being able to hide and reorganize stuff there | 21:35 |
| ochosi | but those features ultimately also broke its neck | 21:35 |
| pnarciso | by the way, current xubuntu 12.10 have a bug where mount drives appear twice in the desktop | 21:36 |
| ochosi | ah interesting | 21:37 |
| pnarciso | when I check the option to show mounted drives in desktop | 21:37 |
| ochosi | i have heard about this bug from len-dt yesterday | 21:37 |
| pnarciso | but it's a bug introduced post alpha 3 | 21:38 |
| ochosi | since i'm using a vbox without usb support i can't test it much | 21:38 |
| pnarciso | I'm testing with a real install | 21:38 |
| pnarciso | and by the way, kernel 3.6 seems more stable on my rig. | 21:39 |
| pnarciso | 3.5 like to freeze my pc once in a while | 21:39 |
| pnarciso | 12.04 also had the same issue | 21:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, we can't do anything about the kernel unfortunately | 21:41 |
| ochosi | ubuntu decides all that | 21:41 |
| knome | well, we *could*... | 21:41 |
| pnarciso | are you guys being supported by canonical, or just use their distro to make your own | 21:42 |
| knome | financially, nope | 21:42 |
| knome | we are getting the infrastructure though | 21:42 |
| pnarciso | but are limited by their releases | 21:43 |
| pnarciso | not like mint for ex | 21:43 |
| knome | well, kind of | 21:44 |
| knome | i suppose we could decide not to release 12.10... | 21:44 |
| knome | but yes, we do release at the same time as ubuntu | 21:44 |
| ochosi | if wayland and gtk3 really come upon us in due time, we might have to skip a release or two | 21:44 |
| pnarciso | wayland for now is a mirage | 21:45 |
| pnarciso | until nvidia and amd start to support it | 21:45 |
| ochosi | not sure | 21:45 |
| ochosi | open drivers support it already | 21:46 |
| pnarciso | well, but open driver are really crappy for amd and nvidia | 21:46 |
| ochosi | and ubuntu is known for pushing things at times | 21:46 |
| pnarciso | only intel is investing | 21:46 |
| ochosi | depends, i mostly miss the power-management in the open driver | 21:46 |
| ochosi | i miss kms in the nvidia blob e.g. | 21:46 |
| satya164 | ochosi: yeah, I have the 2 drives bug as well | 21:46 |
| pnarciso | well, nouveau is very unstable with my gtx680 | 21:47 |
| ochosi | satya164: weird, someone also reported that on unity... | 21:47 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: if you want to know when the xorg-bug is fixed, i guess you have to monitor/subscribe this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54168 | 21:48 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 54168 in Server/General "Updating to xorg-server-1.12.4 breaks xfwm4 themes with 1 pixel width .xpm's" [Normal,New] | 21:48 |
| satya164 | ochosi: didn't test on Unity, but have that bug with xfce | 21:48 |
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