[03:31] <claydoh> Riddell: re release page Sure thing. sorry for delay, had connection *and* laptop issues today
[03:32] <claydoh> even the Arm imx board was giving me issues
[03:35] <claydoh> ScottK: speaking of arm, would you or anyone be interested in my freescale imx53 dev board? it has the hdmi addon board
[04:18] <shadeslayer> anyone on precise?
[04:45] <shadeslayer> !testers
[04:46] <shadeslayer> ktp for precise https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly?field.series_filter=precise
[04:46] <shadeslayer> ktp call ui will start building in another 10 minutes or so
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> So it totally conflicts with the qt4 dev packages, but qt5's qtbase is in kubuntu-ppa/experimental for quantal
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> Qt5: http://i.imgur.com/LACxp.jpg :D
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> didn't realise it was so late <.<
[05:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[05:47] <jussi> shadeslayer: what kind of cookies do you like? (yes, Im resorting to bribery to get fixes done :P)
[05:47] <jussi> (sorry, just getting totally pissed off at kopete..)
[05:47] <shadeslayer> I'm a sucker for chocolate chip kookies ;P
[05:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: I've finished one part of my contact notification stuff in KTP
[05:48] <shadeslayer> just need to do context aware notifications now, but I don't feel like doing anything because the weather is awesome
[05:49] <jussi> awww
[05:49] <shadeslayer> just want to get into bed and read GoT
[05:51] <jussi> hehe
[05:51] <jussi> shadeslayer: and eat chocolate chip kookies? :D
[05:51] <jussi> !cookie | shadeslayer
[05:51] <shadeslayer> nom nom nom
[06:34] <shadeslayer> jussi: user support is sooooo boring :(
[07:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you know, not once when upgrading muon explicitly did its deps got updated for me
[07:00] <apachelogger> resulting in superb crashery due to outdated muonprivate/qapt
[07:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubuntu/quantal pushed
[07:01] <shadeslayer> re firefox
[07:02] <apachelogger> cool
[07:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps tag it
[07:02] <apachelogger> ubuntu/15.blah.blah
[07:03] <shadeslayer> give me some time, I want to add our patches and test build again with new packaging
[07:05] <apachelogger> I mean, tag the ubuntu version specifically :P
[07:05] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[07:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pushed
[07:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok, need a bit of advise, can you help me with this crash? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185137/
[07:15] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185139/ < source
[07:17]  * apachelogger goes :O
[07:17]  * apachelogger goes Oo
[07:18] <shadeslayer> ?
[07:18] <apachelogger> TelepathyQt/shared-ptr.h
[07:18] <apachelogger> account->data()->connection()->contactManager()->allKnownContacts();
[07:18] <apachelogger> was this code made specifically to scare me? :O
[07:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[07:19] <apachelogger> also that is not where your crash happens
[07:19] <shadeslayer> oh?
[07:19] <shadeslayer> some place inside tp qt?
[07:19] <apachelogger> of course it's hard to see with these 5 derefs in one fing line
[07:19] <shadeslayer> :P
[07:19] <apachelogger> well
[07:19] <shadeslayer> ok will deref more incrementally
[07:19] <apachelogger> not knowing how the shared ptr is implemented
[07:20] <apachelogger> and likely I do not want to know
[07:20] <apachelogger> it most likely happens that TPQ has an invalid connection in a valid account
[07:20] <apachelogger> which is why it fails to refcount, the ptr (or rather the shared ptr of the connection) is invalid
[07:21] <shadeslayer> mm
[07:22] <apachelogger> (that is of course assuming that the account instance is valid)
[07:23] <apachelogger> oh also
[07:23] <apachelogger>     Q_ASSERT(account);
[07:23] <apachelogger>     Tp::Contacts contacts = account->data()->connection()->contactManager()->allKnownContacts();
[07:24] <apachelogger> the reason big arse dereference chains like these are bad is super funny considering that assert
[07:25] <apachelogger> those two lines literally say ... the account mustn't be null here, but it's data, the connection, and the contactManager of the connection may very well be :P
[07:27] <shadeslayer> hmm ... trying to do it another way
[07:32] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[07:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Tp::Connection return the contactManager because it hasn't connected yet
[07:32] <shadeslayer> no wonder
[07:33] <apachelogger> oh?
[07:33] <apachelogger> so the refcount on contactmanager is failing?
[07:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[07:34] <apachelogger> soooo silly
[07:34] <shadeslayer> I need to listen for the statusChanged signal
[07:34] <shadeslayer> indeed
[07:34] <apachelogger> so here's what I wonder from a design perspective
[07:34] <shadeslayer> I feel all silly
[07:34] <apachelogger> why does one need the connection in order t get the manager
[07:34] <shadeslayer> ( didn't take into consideration the fact that a account might take alot of time to go online while waiting for the user to enter the password )
[07:35] <apachelogger> also supporting my point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsB8tvQMUT8&feature=related
[07:35] <shadeslayer> idk
[07:36] <shadeslayer> haha
[07:38] <jussi> hehe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj628ufciSc
[07:41] <apachelogger> hm
[07:41] <apachelogger> you guys, where exactly is the mplayerthumbs package? Oo
[07:42] <apachelogger> jussi: totally psyched up I say
[07:42]  * apachelogger supports this
[07:42] <apachelogger> !find mplayerthumbs
[07:43] <apachelogger> seriously though, who lost a pice of kdemultimedia?
[09:08] <xnox> Riddell: thanks for getting ubiquity bug on your radar.
[09:09] <xnox> is kubuntu tag the way to do it?
[09:09] <apachelogger> scp: /home/ftpubuntu/stable/4.9.1/src/strigi-multimedia-4.9.1.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[09:09]  * apachelogger sighs
[09:17] <Riddell> xnox: yeah kubuntu tag and nominate for quantal
[09:17] <xnox> ok.
[09:24] <shadeslayer> wth
[09:24] <shadeslayer> gmail has certificate issues?
[09:25] <shadeslayer> oh, time is kaput
[09:46] <dahzlo> hi, will kde 4.9 will ever be released on kubuntu 12.04 LTS in the main ports? (or just kubuntu 12.10)
[09:47] <Riddell> dahzlo: just 12.10
[09:47] <Riddell> kde sc 4.9 will be in a ppa
[09:47] <dahzlo> ok thanks
[10:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: since I was just talking about world ending ... nu doctor who was last weekend, I shall hope you did not miss it :D
[10:37] <Riddell> was quite a classic style episode, daleks in corridors
[10:49] <apachelogger> indeed
[10:49] <apachelogger> at the end I went :D
[10:49] <apachelogger> for like 5 minutes
[10:58] <shadeslayer> nerds
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: exterminate shadeslayer 
[11:03] <tsimpson> EGGS!
[11:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185545/
[11:19] <shadeslayer> opensuse just puts it into defaults/pref
[11:19] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:23] <apachelogger> wah?
[11:33] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion digikam 2.9.0
[11:33] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045767
[11:38] <jussi> ok, who wants to hear about the next bunch of fail I just found...
[12:21] <Riddell> jussi: what failed?
[12:28] <jussi> Riddell: usb headset, plugged in, volume set as master. then unplug, kmix icon disappears, (white "page" appears) and master volume remains  as headset - even though it isnt there...
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:40] <shadeslayer> hi BluesKaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[12:54] <Riddell> jussi: ah what you need is a handy phonon developer
[12:55] <jussi> oh, like an apachelogger? 
[12:56] <Riddell> actually he might just blame it all on pulseaudio
[12:56] <Riddell> default selection of usb headsets has rarely worked for me, I believe by policy of pulseaudio
[12:58] <shadeslayer> !find knotifyconfigwidget.h
[12:58] <shadeslayer> whee
[13:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you uploading stuff?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> apparently yus
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you bzr push everything? :OP
[13:10] <shadeslayer> sigh ff, y u have so many tests
[13:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do ye want to continue?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I don't think I'm going anywhere
[13:11] <shadeslayer> so why not
[13:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: halp
[13:29] <shadeslayer> yo yo Quintasan
[13:29] <shadeslayer> ssup
[13:29] <Quintasan> E: maliit-framework source: version-substvar-for-external-package maliit-framework-dev -> maliit-framework0
[13:29] <Quintasan> w8 for control file
[13:29] <Quintasan> super fast internet
[13:29] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/543974
[13:30] <shadeslayer> uh
[13:30] <shadeslayer> broken internet here
[13:30] <shadeslayer> can't access paste.kde.org
[13:30] <Quintasan> derp
[13:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185740/
[13:31] <Quintasan> how about that
[13:32]  * Quintasan bets his thinking got quite rusty and can't do packaging as fast as he used to
[13:32] <Quintasan> damn school
[13:37] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I don't see a maliit-framework0
[13:39] <shadeslayer> "The first package has a dependency on the second package that uses (= ${binary:Version}), (= ${source:Version}), or (= ${Source-Version}), but the second package is not built from this source package. Usually this means there is a mistake in the package name in this dependency"
[13:39] <Quintasan> oh 
[13:39] <Quintasan> I'm so dumb
[13:39] <Quintasan> I used the template
[13:39] <shadeslayer> that should be maliit-framework I guess
[13:39] <Quintasan> and forgot to get rid of 0 ther
[13:39] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:40] <shadeslayer> sometimes it helps when other people see your packaging/code :D
[13:41] <shadeslayer> sigh, I have to reboot every couple of hours because X leaks all over the place :'(
[13:41] <shadeslayer> will. not. buy. apple. ever
[13:44] <soee> telepathy-kde 0.5 is not available for 12.04 (repos)?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> soee: it is
[13:45] <shadeslayer> needs testing
[13:45] <shadeslayer> soee: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[13:45] <shadeslayer> please let me know if it works, then I'll copy it over to the right ppa
[13:46] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: framework is done then, need to pacakge plugins now T_T
[13:46] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:46] <shadeslayer> go go Quintasan
[13:46] <Quintasan> ETOOMANYTHINGSTODO
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: atleast you don't have to deal with Firefox with KDE patches
[13:46] <Quintasan> driving license, moving house, multiple trips incoming
[13:46] <Quintasan> ALL THE WORK
[13:46] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:46] <Quintasan> well
[13:47] <Quintasan> let me get some food first
[13:47] <Quintasan> then I can work
[13:47] <Quintasan> hungry as hell
[13:47] <soee> shadeslayer, ok ill try, give me few minutes
[13:47] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I hope you're putting those in the stable release ppa
[13:47] <Quintasan> :P
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah will do, was looking for testers :)
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and we overengineered the backport process
[13:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did you do any changes to the automation script I sent you?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> backportpackage ftw
[13:47] <Quintasan> huh?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I have 2 scripts :)
[13:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sauce
[13:48] <Quintasan> pls
[13:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: so we basically skipped the shortest route and went out writing our own backport magic?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://gist.github.com/3621314
[13:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, it's you who started
[13:50] <shadeslayer> though backport will only work if packages have been uploaded to archive atm
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[13:50] <Quintasan> I just expanded upon it
[13:50] <Quintasan> :P
[13:50] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> backport package script is threaded as well :P
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ( kind of )
[13:50] <Quintasan> It's shit then shadeslayer
[13:50] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can supply dsc files as well
[13:51] <Quintasan> hmm
[13:51] <Quintasan> wait
[13:51] <soee> shadeslayer, to install telepathy i should install telepathy-kde ?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> soee: if you already have it installed, just upgrade
[13:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: This is the backport script, how do you update the damn thing?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> if you don't, then yes, install kde-telepathy
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: wat
[13:52] <soee> shadeslayer, no i have removed it because it couse a lot opf problems before on my desktop (previous version)
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: scroll down
[13:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> soee: sudo apt-get install kde-telepathy
[13:52] <Quintasan> ah yes
[13:52] <Quintasan> cerainly
[13:52] <Quintasan> certainly*
[13:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I allow you to follow me on github
[13:53] <Quintasan> you can explore the depths of my qtrollface app there
[13:53] <Quintasan> SO MANY MEMLEAKS
[13:54] <shadeslayer> no you
[13:54] <soee> uh oh owncloud 4.5beta is out:)
[13:54] <shadeslayer>  My private source files 
[13:54] <shadeslayer> yaright
[13:54] <shadeslayer> not so private
[13:54] <Quintasan> note the damn citation mark
[13:54] <Quintasan> :P
[13:55] <shadeslayer> description does not have citation mark
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:55] <Quintasan> of my repository?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> eys
[13:55] <shadeslayer> aye
[13:55] <Quintasan> lal
[13:55] <Quintasan> >mfw shadeslayer
[13:55] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/dT1Po.png
[13:56] <Quintasan>  shadeslayer's pc is so broken it doesn't even display quotation marks
[13:56] <Quintasan> :P
[13:56] <highvoltage> heh
[13:56] <shadeslayer> not that
[13:56] <Riddell> hmm I've a bad feeling about this beta, the image takes an age to start up for some reason and plasma doesn't run the init script so it has a funny layout
[13:56] <shadeslayer> this : http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/04/plasma-desktopQV2175.png
[13:56] <Quintasan> oh
[13:56] <Quintasan> hi thar
[13:56] <Quintasan> :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I fixed the latter problem
[13:57] <soee> shadeslayer, installed without any problems, contacts from gmail and gadu-gadu works fine
[13:57] <shadeslayer> wheee
[13:57] <highvoltage> Riddell: if it makes you feel any better, this beta is such a disaster for edubuntu that we might not even release
[13:57] <highvoltage> (the beta, that is)
[13:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh?  what did youdo?
[13:57] <Quintasan> soee: cześć
[13:58] <Riddell> highvoltage: we're all broken together :)
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-workspace was broken
[13:58]  * Quintasan hugs highvoltage
[13:58] <highvoltage> Riddell: sounds like a Paul McCartney song :)
[13:58] <highvoltage> hehe. *hugs*
[13:58] <Quintasan> highvoltage: My PC is broken on a regular basis
[13:58] <soee> Quintasan, cześć jak się masz :D
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/a651fff01cfcef8874c5ddcf7a080467edc49d16
[13:59] <shadeslayer> also see my email to the list last night
[13:59] <highvoltage> Quintasan: get a thinkpad, they're rock solid!
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ^
[13:59] <shadeslayer> !Apple && !Dell
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ubottu: oh shut up
[13:59] <Quintasan> highvoltage: Yeah, and I'll end up playing games during uni courses and finish my studies after first exam session
[13:59] <Quintasan> :P
[14:00] <Quintasan> Thanks, I'll stick with my PC for now
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gosh, genius
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so now I'm wondering about a respin for that
[14:01] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[14:01] <highvoltage> Quintasan: hehe
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ... you could either fix kde-workspace, or let it be because it was broken on alpha as well
[14:01] <shadeslayer> and we'll fix it for the next beta
[14:04] <shadeslayer> your discretion :)
[14:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: https://github.com/Quintasan/coding/commit/d49e492f05ae5ad5329bdbbf5ca74751f4ce9552
[14:05] <Quintasan> :P
[14:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> that should really go into somewhere more accessible though
[14:06] <Quintasan> kubuntu-dev-tools?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> maybe
[14:06] <shadeslayer> more like kubuntu-automation-tools
[14:07] <Quintasan> MORE BRANCHES PLS
[14:07] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-telepathy-automation-tools
[14:07] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:08] <Quintasan> i...
[14:08]  * Quintasan ragequits
[14:08] <shadeslayer> more like rage timed out
[14:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we didn't even report a bug for it that I can find, how peculiar
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: indeed
[14:09] <shadeslayer> I kind of just found the bug :D
[14:10]  * Quintasan goes off to find something to eat
[14:10] <Quintasan> bbl
[14:10] <shadeslayer> cya
[14:10] <shadeslayer> 'twas introduced two months ago
[14:13] <shadeslayer> plus I should clean up the initscript a bit
[14:13] <shadeslayer> there's a nice loadModule(deafult.panel) now
[14:18] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1022479] bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in QGtkStyle::drawComplexControl() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1022479 (by Logan Rosen)
[14:19] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1045839] plasma init script not run @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045839 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[14:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: unless you want to create a separate panel script (for which I fail to see the use) it does not give us anything
[14:54] <Riddell> ScottK: what is it about python3 that stops this working? http://paste.kde.org/543998/
[14:54] <Riddell> import pyqt should give you QString() surely
[14:55] <soee> any ideas whats wrong: http://pastebin.com/t7tKzSTE?
[14:58] <Riddell> soee: it can't find libkworkspace.so
[15:06] <soee> Riddell, ok got it
[15:16] <apachelogger> ah
[15:16] <apachelogger> now I know why the tool ran debuild with -nc
[15:16] <apachelogger> otherwise patches break the tool if they don't apply
[15:19] <apachelogger> emit evilGrin();
[15:20] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1045839] plasma init script not run @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045839 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[15:24]  * apachelogger proposes using git for packaging
[15:29] <apachelogger> [15:29] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: eggs
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde-runtime archive is at ubuntu3, bzr is at ubuntu2
[15:33] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: eggs
[15:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh that'll be me getting distracted, tsk
[15:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kdenetwork archive is at ubuntu4, bzr at ubuntu3
[15:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: you're not alone, between .0 and now 3 people did not push their changes to bzr
[15:34] <apachelogger> very much because the workflow is wrong
[15:35] <apachelogger> i.e. uploads should happen automatically and only through the version control system
[15:35] <apachelogger> so that commit == upload
[15:35] <apachelogger> well
[15:36] <Riddell> yeah, and automatic packaging branches should be debian/ only and .orig handled in some useful way
[15:36] <apachelogger> commit ~= upload as an actual upload may be rejected when failing QA
[15:39] <apachelogger>  SVN would be perfect for the orig tar stuff .. since you are not detached you need not carry around binary deltas ;)
[15:59] <Riddell> yay, precise to quantal upgrade works now, lovely
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: a classic indeed :D
[16:08] <bambee> agateau: my nephew tried kidMP, he loves it ! well done ;)
[16:08] <bambee> even in python... phonon ftw ! :D
[16:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is weird breakage in icecc
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I made all the rdepends of libmuonprivate1 depend on libmuonprivate1 (= ${binary:Version})
[16:11] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/544022/
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> should automagically upgrade libmuonprivate1 when you upgrade any of the rest now :)
[16:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: groovy
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: all the same on i386 though, yay -.-
[16:13] <apachelogger> not sure it poses a problem though
[16:25] <Riddell> bambee, agateau: something that should be packaged?
[17:10] <bambee> Riddell: aurélien has developed a nice movie player for kids, see planet.u.c , really nice, really "kids friendly"  :)
[19:04] <Riddell> bambee: yeah saw that, question is if we should package it up
[19:08] <yofel_> apachelogger: if you can properly keep the packaging branch and the .orig branch apart you could use --lightweight for the .orig branch so it doesn't fetch the history
[19:08] <yofel_> dunno how UDD is set up though
[19:10] <apachelogger> yofel: UDD is conceptually inefficient
[19:10] <yofel> agreed
[19:11] <apachelogger> also I'd not want to use bzr at any rate :P
[19:11] <apachelogger> it is too slow I say
[19:11] <apachelogger> pushing .1 changes on some 150 branches to like half an hour
[19:11] <apachelogger> that surely was no more than 0.5 mib actual delta data
[19:11] <apachelogger> one gets to wonder
[19:14] <yofel> it's ~ok from my experience. Sure, git is a tad faster, but it's "you have to always manually push your changes to remote" behaviour is slightly annoying (as is creating post-commit hooks that do that)
[19:15]  * yofel wonders if he's the only one here that actually likes svn
[19:15] <yofel> then again, git-svn FTW ^^
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> I like svn. git is fine too.
[20:13] <Riddell> golly 4.9.1 is out
[20:20] <soee> huh? Ready for 12.04 ?
[20:26] <BluesKaj> for 12.10 backports ?
[20:28] <apachelogger> yofel: svn is also slow
[20:29] <apachelogger> what's more disturbing is working with branches tho
[20:29] <apachelogger> so I guess it has its uses they are just not in developing software in a team
[20:29] <apachelogger> and certainly not developing software in an envrionment where you won't always have connection to the server
[20:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you push the missing runtime changes?
[20:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1046013] backlighthelper: QDBusConnection: system D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046013 (by jimav)
[20:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think so yeah
[20:44] <Riddell> oh runtime, no
[20:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: voila.  thanks for the nudge(s)
[21:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[21:05] <apachelogger> I'll finish .1 uploadery tomorrow then
[21:05] <apachelogger> only kdepim stuff is failing as of now, though launchpad does not like me today so I am not sure why as the buildllogs 404 on me :S
[21:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: watch out for the kwin issue
[21:35] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1008482] muon does not function @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1008482 (by David J Westlake)
[22:11] <ScottK> Riddell: You got your PyQt3 issue sorted?
[22:13] <Riddell> ScottK: well I swapped QString() for just ""
[22:14] <Riddell> but I don't see anything in the pyqt python 3 changes doc about not having QString()
[22:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna said something in one bug about PyQt using native python string handling in python3 since it's unicode clean now.
[22:16] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1028984/comments/3
[22:19] <Riddell> well porting done :)
[22:20] <Riddell> but this could be made clearer http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/python_v3.html#qstring
[22:24]  * Riddell snoozes
[22:27] <ScottK> Riddell: PyQt Mailing List <pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com> is the place to file complaints.
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> man, doing D-Bus right is a lot of work
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> protip #1: never release your first D-Bus API to the public, you will do it wrong.
[23:11] <xnox> JontheEchidna: nor the second or third. And after you do a Stable release, you will realise you need to break it again.
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably.
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> In order for this to be at least passable, I'm modelling my second one after something similar >.>
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> but my first one was horrible for what I was trying to accomplish, and it's out in the public :s
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> tons of band-aiding on the client side to shore things up, but it's still not perfect by a long shot