[00:04] <vezeena> Hi, you know how holding alt+clicking drags the window? I was having problems disabling this, and somehow i've messed it up and now just clicking my mouse drags the window, and i have to hold alt to click normally, what can I do to fix this?
[00:10] <ickefes> i have a question about linked (binded?) directory. Anyone who can answer a few questions?
[00:12] <ickefes> i have linked a directory to a home directory because I use virtual users with pure-ftpd. The problem is I might accidentally just remove everything in the home folder at some point and then I guess all the files in the target directory will get removed too. Can this be avoide somehow (besides me being more careful when deleting)?
[00:14] <ickefes> anyone? please.
[05:07] <mr-rich> Ok, I have my TV card (a very old Bt878) plugged into the CD port on the MB (P55-UDA). I launch tvtime and I get a picture, but no sound. Both Phonon & Alsamixer don't even list the CD port as a possable volume control. Kubuntu 12.04 (all updates applied). Any ideas?
[05:39] <rhombus> man, is this channel ever dead.
[05:39] <rhombus> much like kubuntu, come to think about it.
[06:02] <shadeslayer> \o
[06:02] <shadeslayer> rhombus: more or less because everyone is sleeping ...
[06:07] <rhombus> shadeslayer: now they are, but not for the past seven hours they haven't
[06:08] <shadeslayer> possibly just busy?
[06:08] <shadeslayer> rhombus: what's the issue?
[06:08] <rhombus> shadeslayer: just compare it with the traffic in #ubuntu...
[06:08] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, the issue -
[06:08] <jussi> hahhahahaahahahahah
[06:08] <shadeslayer> that's not indicative of anything
[06:08] <shadeslayer> infact, it just goes on to tell that people have more issues in ubuntu than in kubuntu :P
[06:09] <rhombus> then perhaps you can both help me... how do I get Adobe Flash and Java to install properly in kubuntu?
[06:09] <jussi> java... blah
[06:09] <jussi> flash, install flashplugin-installer
[06:09] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[06:10] <jussi> shadeslayer: no
[06:10] <shadeslayer> that'll give you pretty much everything
[06:10] <rhombus> jussi: that did not work.
[06:10] <jussi> rhombus: reinstall it...
[06:10] <jussi> and make sure you have net connection at the time
[06:10] <shadeslayer> jussi: hm? Last I checked that installed flash as well as other stuff
[06:10] <rhombus> shadeslayer: do I have to install both ubuntu-restricted and kubuntu-restricted?
[06:11] <rhombus> jussi: I have done that twice, and both times the network worked fine
[06:11] <jussi> rhombus: restarted your browser since?
[06:11] <rhombus> jussi: the package manager shows it as installed, but firefox shows nothing in plugins
[06:11] <rhombus> jussi: numerous times
[06:12] <rhombus> jussi: shadeslayer: in fact, I have installed both kubuntu-restricted and flashplugin-installer.
[06:13] <shadeslayer> sec
[06:13] <shadeslayer> rhombus: can you find where libflashplayer.so lives?
[06:13] <shadeslayer> then copy that into /home/${USER}/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[06:14] <rhombus> shadeslayer: even if I can find it (haven't yet) -- isn't the package manager supposed to do this?
[06:14] <shadeslayer> nope
[06:15] <shadeslayer> I've never seen a package touch stuff in /home
[06:15] <rhombus> shadeslayer: see, on gentoo, when I do "emerge flashplayer", it installs flash, and "it just works"(tm)
[06:15] <shadeslayer> you can do a dpkg -S libflashplayer.so
[06:15] <rhombus> shadeslayer: my point was more that it should install it globally and it should just work
[06:15] <shadeslayer> rhombus: it does install it globally
[06:16] <shadeslayer> but by copying over the lib you're overriding the binary, I just want to make sure the problem is with the library
[06:16] <shadeslayer> and not with the install
[06:17] <rhombus> shadeslayer: "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libflashplayer.so*."
[06:17] <shadeslayer> I don't think you have flash installed then :P
[06:18] <hateball> just remove flashplugin-installer and grab it again
[06:18] <shadeslayer> rhombus: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.238.orig.tar.gz
[06:18] <rhombus> shadeslayer: muon software center says "flashplugin-installer - status: installed"
[06:18] <hateball> installing it again should pull it down properly and install it globally
[06:18] <rhombus> hateball: remove how? By clicking Remove in muon?
[06:18] <shadeslayer> rhombus: that's fine, flashplugin installer pulls another tarball
[06:19] <shadeslayer> the one I just linked above
[06:19] <rhombus> hateball: I think I have done this four times now
[06:19] <hateball> rhombus: I see
[06:19] <shadeslayer> rhombus: download http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.238.orig.tar.gz > extract to /home/${USER}/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:19] <rhombus> shadeslayer: are we doing that for diagnostic purposes?
[06:19] <shadeslayer> more or less, yes
[06:20] <shadeslayer> should solve the flash issue you have
[06:20] <rhombus> shadeslayer: well
[06:20] <rhombus> shadeslayer: actually, I would like to find out why this doesn't simply work through the package manager
[06:20]  * shadeslayer is trying out flashplugin-installer himself atm
[06:20] <shadeslayer> rhombus: yeah, looking at that
[06:21] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, kubuntu is on another machine -- how do I find that tarball you just cited? just go to archive.canonical.com?
[06:22] <shadeslayer> rhombus: apt-get just spit that url out, but yes, you can just go to archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a
[06:22] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, done
[06:22] <shadeslayer> and it seems like dpkg doesn't track libflashplayer.so
[06:23] <rhombus> shadeslayer: and java doesn't work in firefox either
[06:23] <shadeslayer> right, let's get flash figured out first
[06:23] <shadeslayer> please restart ff
[06:23] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, thanks. downloading it.
[06:24] <shadeslayer> rhombus: check if you have /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[06:24] <shadeslayer> that's where it installed stuff for me
[06:25] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, for starters, there is no .mozilla/plugins directory.
[06:25] <hateball> Per default you need to symlink that to the Firefox plugin-dir, which update-alternatives should do if it's properly installed
[06:25] <shadeslayer> rhombus: ok, make one
[06:25] <shadeslayer> hateball: indeed
[06:25] <shadeslayer> infact there's a script to do that
[06:25]  * hateball hasnt actually used flashplugin-installer in years tho, due to running 64-bit java and despising nspluginwrapper
[06:26] <hateball> err, flash.
[06:26] <rhombus> shadeslayer: there is a /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer directory containing a single file, the executable install_plugin
[06:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[06:27] <shadeslayer> clearly something went horribly wrong
[06:27] <shadeslayer> rhombus: you can call that script to install flash to a system location by passing the downloaded tarball as a argument
[06:28] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, before we proceed here, what is actually supposed to happen here?
[06:28] <shadeslayer> rhombus: ideally, apt-get install flashplugin-installer which ( I think ) has a postinst script that downloads and installs flash
[06:29] <rhombus> shadeslayer: so, said script either didn't run, or is broken.
[06:29] <shadeslayer> most likely the former
[06:29] <shadeslayer> it worked for me
[06:29] <rhombus> shadeslayer: so, to do this manually, I run it from the command line with the tarball as the argument?
[06:30] <shadeslayer> rhombus: I believe so
[06:30] <shadeslayer> so something like : sudo /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/install_plugin /path/to/flash
[06:31] <rhombus> shadeslayer: path to flash.tar.gz, or path to flash.so?
[06:31] <shadeslayer> tar.gz
[06:32] <rhombus> shadeslayer: because now I am getting this error: "Installing from local file adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.238.orig.tar.gz ... cp: cannot stat 'adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.238.orig.tar.gz': No such file or directory
[06:32] <rhombus> which is clearly wrong -- the file is right in front of me
[06:32] <shadeslayer> mmmmm
[06:32] <shadeslayer> rhombus: can you copy the tarball to /var/cache/flashplugin-installer
[06:33] <jussi> 64 bit with a 32bit plugin?
[06:33] <rhombus> shadeslayer: is that a directory, or a file?
[06:33] <shadeslayer> rhombus: directory
[06:33] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, done
[06:33] <shadeslayer> rhombus: and try giving the absolute path
[06:35] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, that seemed to work, it says "Flash Plugin installed."
[06:35] <shadeslayer> woot
[06:35] <shadeslayer> rhombus: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin say?
[06:36] <rhombus> shadeslayer: and after restarting ff, it shows up in the plugins.
[06:36] <shadeslayer> yay
[06:36] <shadeslayer> onto java
[06:36] <shadeslayer> !java
[06:37] <rhombus> shadeslayer: it points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[06:37] <shadeslayer> you want the openjdk package
[06:37] <shadeslayer> rhombus: cool
[06:37] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, but what does it mean? (/etc/alternatives, I mean?)
[06:38] <shadeslayer> rhombus: I can only explain with a example :P
[06:38] <rhombus> shadeslayer: and believe me, I have installed openjdk already -- same song and dance as with the flash plugin. what in blazes is wrong with this system?
[06:38] <shadeslayer> rhombus: do you also have the icedtea plugin?
[06:39] <rhombus> shadeslayer: oh wait, I aborted the install. Hang on, let me try this again
[06:39] <shadeslayer> ...
[06:41] <rhombus> while we are waiting, why didn't the flash install just work with muon?
[06:41] <shadeslayer> I can't say
[06:42] <shadeslayer> entirely possible that the internet connection dropped, tarball was corrupted etc
[06:43] <hateball> a simple timeout error on the mirror will break it
[06:43] <rhombus> shadeslayer: yeah, but four times? and shouldn't it report when there's an error?
[06:43] <hateball> but removing the installer and installing it again should trigger the script properly, so that's weird
[06:44] <rhombus> on java front: java appears to be installed
[06:44] <shadeslayer> rhombus: it does report a error, however it's a script, so ouput is redirected to stdout
[06:44] <rhombus> is there a page I can visit to test that?
[06:44] <shadeslayer> rhombus: icedtea plugin as well?
[06:44] <rhombus> shadeslayer: considering how slick ubuntu usually is, that's weak
[06:45] <rhombus> shadeslayer: yeah -- in fact, that's what I installed, and I just let muon pull the dependencies
[06:45] <shadeslayer> ok
[06:45] <shadeslayer> go to about:plugins and check there first
[06:45] <shadeslayer> then : http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
[06:46] <shadeslayer> rhombus: it works perfectly on my machine
[06:46] <shadeslayer> ( flash installer )
[06:46] <rhombus> shadeslayer: IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.2 (1.2-2ubuntu1.2))
[06:46] <rhombus> shadeslayer: ok, "Your Java is working" -- that took forever, but it is working
[06:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[06:47] <rhombus> shadeslayer: is there a sun, er, oracle jdk package for kubuntu?
[06:47] <shadeslayer> rhombus: no, they removed sun/oracle stuff from the archives
[06:47] <rhombus> shadeslayer: in gentoo you just have to pre-fetch the installer, then run "emerge sun-jdk"
[06:48] <shadeslayer> primarily because Oracle doesn't want to support java on linux and it's full of security holes
[06:48] <rhombus> shadeslayer: huh? that's insane -- java is a multiplatform development language by definition
[06:49] <rhombus> shadeslayer: and the linux support of a number of major vendors totally depends on java
[06:49] <shadeslayer> "Oracle, in retiring the ‘Operating System Distributor License for Java’, means Canonical no longer have permission to distribute the package."
[06:49] <shadeslayer> rhombus: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines/
[06:49] <rhombus> shadeslayer: I think they just want everybody to go to them directly
[06:50] <shadeslayer> dunno, that article says that Oracle is moving to openjdk themselves
[06:51] <shadeslayer> I don't install java because it's a high security risk ( note the recent slew of exploits that have been found )
[06:51] <jussi> thats oracle jave, of course you can install the openjava
[06:54] <rhombus> jussi: they've been pretty good about releasing fixes fast
[06:55] <rhombus> jussi: but you're right, that shouldn't happen
[06:55] <jussi> rhombus: this is beginning to get off topic for a support channel, perhaps we can move over to #ubuntu-discuss if you want to talk further?
[06:56] <tsimpson> we have a perfectly capable (and unused) offtopic channel, you know ;)
[06:59] <rhombus> shadeslayer: so, now that I have installed flash manually, does that mean I also have to uninstall it manually should that be required?
[06:59] <Smurphy> Moring.
[06:59] <shadeslayer> rhombus: nah
[07:00] <shadeslayer> when you remove it apt should remove it automagically
[07:00] <Smurphy> *should* :}
[07:00] <vsrao> I get a dialog with, 'Remember this for future connections?' each time I sign into my Google account with telepathy. How do I fix this?
[07:02] <rhombus> Smurphy: yeah, that was my thought, too :)
[07:12] <shadeslayer> vsrao: make sure you don't have empathy stuff installed
[07:12] <shadeslayer> iirc it takes over ssl cert auths and shows you that dialog
[07:12] <vsrao> shadeslayer: Ah, you're right. I'll remove that now.
[07:14] <vsrao> Yup. Fixed it.
[09:42] <dahzlo> hi, will kde 4.9 will ever be released on kubuntu 12.04 LTS in the main ports? (or just kubuntu 12.10)
[09:44] <tsimpson> I doubt it, only bug fixes go into an LTS release
[09:44] <tsimpson> but #kubuntu-devel is the place to get an authoritative answer
[09:46] <dahzlo> thanks
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Hello everyone
[12:38] <monkeyjuice> morning
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:40] <monkeyjuice> howdee BluesKaj
[12:40] <BluesKaj> 'morning monkeyjuice
[12:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:36] <monkeyjuice> ok im here ;)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, sudo fdisk -l ?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> aren't most usb devices hotpluggable
[13:40] <monkeyjuice> were is  pastebin ?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> monkeyjuice: paste.ubuntu.com
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or pastebin.com
[13:41] <monkeyjuice> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185760/
[13:41] <monkeyjuice> ;) new installs gesh
[13:43] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, try unplugging the drive and reconnecting while the pc is still booted
[13:43] <monkeyjuice> um like when the sytem is booting up?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> nope , like now
[13:44] <monkeyjuice> have done  that
[13:44] <monkeyjuice> a few times
[13:45] <monkeyjuice> hmmm guess ill try my desktop and see
[13:46] <BluesKaj> odd , that it doesn't show
[13:47] <monkeyjuice> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185769/   dmesg
[13:48] <monkeyjuice> something is failing
[13:52] <monkeyjuice> so much for baking up data ack
[13:56] <monkeyjuice> well dang 11.10 connected to it now 12.04 will not , trying desktop
[14:07] <Altazimuth> How do I make Kubuntu use the intergrated graphics card rather than dedicated (to conserve power)? No amount of googling has helped.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Altazimuth, dedicated , pci card ?
[14:10] <Altazimuth> I want to not use the dedicated. Want to use the intergrated on my i7-3610QM
[14:11] <Altazimuth> The dedicated is a whole different can of worms.
[14:12]  * Altazimuth shakes fist angrily at NVIDIA
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ok , is the dedicated a pcci card ..I'm tryin to determine whether you use a dual gpu graphics system like some laptops
[14:13] <Altazimuth> I'm running Kubuntu on a laptop.
[14:14] <Altazimuth> It's a PCIe card
[14:14] <Altazimuth> GeForce GT 650M
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Altazimuth, save power ? ...how much do really think it will save ?
[14:15]  * Altazimuth shrugs
[14:15] <BluesKaj> you can change the default card in the bios
[14:15] <Altazimuth> Thanks
[14:15] <BluesKaj> if you insist on it
[14:16] <Altazimuth> It's also loud at certain points.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> miy elcheapo nvidia 8400gs tends to run noisy at times too, and it is annoying , but I'm connected to plasma tv via dvi so i need it
[14:17] <Altazimuth> Mine is for use in class
[14:17] <Altazimuth> I'd prefer the sound of the fan not bothering my peers.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> intersting such a card is installed in a laptop ...must be a higher end model
[14:19] <Altazimuth> Yeah, set me back a reasonable amount.
[14:19] <Altazimuth> I wonder how much the sum of the parts would have cost in the US...
[14:20] <RamchandraApte_> ot:my intel hd graphics plays doom 3 and tremulous quite fine (30 fps @ more difficult scenes)
[14:20] <Altazimuth> Initially it was for use for some programming contest, which I went to Mozzila offices for.
[14:20] <Altazimuth> Bah, I'm blathering, you don't require these anecdotes.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> you could place some riser tabs on the bottom to lift the laptop up off the surface and have an airspace underneath to help the cooloing
[14:20] <BluesKaj> err cooling
[14:21] <Altazimuth> There are some allready
[14:22] <Altazimuth> Oh dear lord
[14:22] <Altazimuth> I booted Kubuntu and screen is flashing, now it's black with some random text up top
[14:22] <Altazimuth> "^[[" and now it's gone...
[14:22] <RamchandraApte_> did you press the arrow keys?
[14:23] <Altazimuth> Possibly
[14:23] <RamchandraApte_> left arrow becomes ^[[A i think
[14:23] <Altazimuth> Gah, every single time I boot, KDE Daemon asks to open wallet.
[14:23] <RamchandraApte_> its harmless
[14:23] <RamchandraApte_> Altazimuth: its good for security
[14:23] <Altazimuth> I know.
[14:28] <nishttal2> hello ppl.. i just installed kubuntu on my 64 bit desktop with 4 identical monitors (Dell 2007 FP)
[14:28] <nishttal2> 3 of them are fine but the 4th has a random DPI setting...
[14:29] <nishttal2> 3 have  99x98 dpi and the 4th has 75x75... how can i fix this.. please help
[14:29] <RamchandraApte_> almost everybody uses "please help" please replace that with more info
[14:29] <RamchandraApte_> which graphics card
[14:30] <nishttal2> its Nvidia Quadro NVS 420
[14:30] <nishttal2> btw.. i have only seen this issue in KDE.. gnome,  unity, maya all run fine
[14:30] <BluesKaj> nishttal2, check your graphics card settings , and system settings
[14:31] <nishttal2> BluesKaj: nvidia-settings shows the DPI numbers I just listed
[14:31] <nishttal2> but there is no way to change them
[14:32] <nishttal2> and i dont see any relevant options in the system settings either
[14:33] <BluesKaj> system settings>application apperance>fonts>force dpi
[14:33] <BluesKaj> it's a global setting
[14:34] <nishttal2> oh cool.. so i need to restart  kde now
[14:34] <nishttal2> brb
[14:37] <nishttal2> BluesKaj: my current DPI is 99x98 dots per inch but in system settings its only letting me set 1 number
[14:37] <RamchandraApte_> ubuntu logo in unicode private section 
[14:38] <RamchandraApte_> look at it closely
[14:38] <Altazimuth> Odd, I removed a program but it still appears in kickoff, even though clicking it does nothing.
[14:41] <nishttal2> BluesKaj: you there?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> RamchandraApte_, ubuntu logo in unicode private section ? , more detail pls
[14:45] <RamchandraApte_> just now i saw that the ubuntu logo is in the private section
[14:45] <RamchandraApte_> i saw in kcharselect
[14:46] <RamchandraApte_> U+F0FF
[14:46] <BluesKaj> nishttal2, that's odd , but of course i just use one large monitor , so the graphics card might be limiting the dpi , dunno for sure
[14:46] <BluesKaj> RamchandraApte_, and how does that help ?
[14:48] <RamchandraApte_> bluesKaj: 'k sorry for posting in support channel (oops)
[14:49] <BluesKaj> RamchandraApte_, I'm curious ..what was that about ?
[14:50] <RamchandraApte_> BluesKaj: the ubuntu logo is in the private section of unicode in the ubuntu font
[14:55] <Altazimuth> [](/twidurr)test 3
[14:58] <BluesKaj> that RAM guy must be on ubuntu , i don't see anything of the sort in system settings/font management
[15:02] <Kaltazimuth> Is there any way to stop the equal spacing down the bottom on startup? I much prefer everything being on the left. http://i.imgur.com/oH4Gz.jpg
[15:09] <Altazimuth> The way it lays itself out just bugs me, averting it would be hince.
[15:09] <Altazimuth> nice*
[15:10] <16WAA2HEW> Kaltamizuth: i know
[15:11] <RamchandraApte> press the plasma config button in the panel
[15:11] <RamchandraApte> press more settings
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Altazimuth, add a taskbar
[15:12] <Altazimuth> Ah, thanks.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> or taskmanager , which is the proper term
[15:22] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, how goes the USB drive connection ?
[15:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> got it on the desktop transfered from there
[15:33] <BluesKaj> odd tho , mydogsnameisrudy . it should work , it's just a usb connection , that's pretty standard
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: can you check a bug for me?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I connected my external drive by usb, unti I got the esata to sata cable with a new enclosure , and it worked , mydogsnameisrudy
[15:35] <BluesKaj> hotpluggable and really fast too'
[15:36] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, that depends
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you running 12.10 with kde 4.9.0?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234564
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i will paste the snap now
[15:37] <BluesKaj> is kate segfaulting , phoenix_firebrd
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: let me check
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305913 ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> devicw notifier , correct ?
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305718    this is still open
[15:40] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when you are checking about the device notifier, see to that it is hidden
[15:42] <BluesKaj> yup , that's it phoenix_firebrd , the Qt script is failing ,,it's an upstream problem according to the devs and the bug isn't restricted to 12.10 or kde 4.9
[15:42] <BluesKaj> the device notifier bug hasn't bit me yet , phoenix_firebrd
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: is the device notifier icon showing in the system tray?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> nope I always use auto
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hidden?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> no phoenix_firebrd , auto , not hidden
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when you clicked the device notifier system tray icon was in showing in the system tray or you clicked the small up arrow and then clicked the device notifier icon there?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> if you set the device notifier to auto in system tray settings /entry , the device notifier should be hidden until you insert a cd or hook up another device etc
[15:48] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,^
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: like this http://imagebin.org/227148  ?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, this is what I have , http://imagebin.org/227149
[15:55] <benoit_> hello
[15:57] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, , I prefer my system tray uncluttered
[15:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: In the snapshop shot you posted the device notifier is hidden, so it should show up when clicking the small arrow right of your volume control
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yes , it does , so what's the problem ?
[15:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when you click the device notifier from there it will show well above the system tray rather than sticking to it
[16:00] <BluesKaj> it doesn't stay open here , if that's what you mean
[16:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no where does the device notifier show
[16:04] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, http://imagebin.org/227150
[16:16] <zhouxiukun> Hello
[16:17] <zhouxiukun> Pptpd I created on Ubuntu server, how to see connected users
[16:23] <BluesKaj> zhouxiukun, ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:25] <monkeyjuice> zhouxiukun:  maybe  who
[16:32] <dabauer> how do I use adobe reader???
[16:32] <dabauer> I have it open, but there is no way to opne a file
[16:35] <bbeck> dabauer: Why not use okular?
[16:44] <dabauer> What is OKULAR???
[16:45] <OerHeks> Okular = universal document viewer
[16:46] <dabauer> where do I get that at???
[16:46] <OerHeks> try muon softwarecentre?
[16:47] <OerHeks> .. i think it is installed standard.
[16:48]  * OerHeks is hooked of Calibre
[16:53] <iulian_> Hello, can someone help me to kill process ?
[16:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you there?
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: kate doesnt crash when i am a new .kde in the home folder.
[17:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I upgraded my system from 12.04 to 12.10, so the old configs might be the problem
[17:06] <phoenix_firebrd> Going for dinner, bbl
[19:29] <BlaXpirit> Hello. KDE 4.9 introduced a new feature that's really bugging me. In Dolphin the current directory changes according to current directory in the F4 terminal panel. And that adds lots of bugs as the directory in terminal also syncs with the current directory in Dolphin!
[19:29] <BlaXpirit> The first of them is that when terminal panel is on, the symlinks are resolved (because bash does that probably), an effect I don't want.
[19:29] <BlaXpirit> And the second is, there can be conflicts when I change between left and right panels rapidly: the directories get messed up because there is some delay with the syncing.
[19:29] <FloodBotK1> BlaXpirit: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:30] <BlaXpirit> So... what can I do about this? Is there a setting that I missed? Or maybe it's possible to make Bash not follow symlinks at least?
[19:54] <BlaXpirit> Okay.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> hey BarkingFish , LTNS :)
[20:27] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj :)
[20:27] <BarkingFish> Hiya dude, how's things going?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> oh , recovering from labour day , yesterday
[20:30] <BluesKaj> holiday here
[20:31] <BarkingFish> ah.  I'm recovering from a week of fun :)  I moved to Germany last Monday, Tuesday we had a bomb blown up about 2.5 miles from my new house, wednesday to sunday I was decorating, yesterday out for a medical, and today I've just been relaxing.
[20:32] <BarkingFish> and I have an exam tomorrow which I'm nervous as hell about. I know I'll pass it, but it's damn hard.
[20:34] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, I saw news report about the bomb with video showing the explosion , scary stuff
[20:34] <BarkingFish> yeah - that is about 3 miles or so from the hospital i'm going to be working at :)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> i thought you worked for wikiimedia, BarkingFish
[20:37] <BarkingFish> no, i don't work for Wikimedia. I have a Wikimedia cloak because I work on multiple wikis, wiktionary, wikipedia, wikibooks, etc - so I got one to cover the whole spectrum :)
[20:38] <BluesKaj> ok , understood
[20:42] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, what's the hospital connection , if you don't mind my curiosity ?
[20:43] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, I qualified some years ago as a Paramedic - back in April/May of this year, I went to Germany to do a month long observer placement at a Children's hospital in Munich - I wound up working with them, not just observing.
[20:43] <BarkingFish> When I finished my placement, they offered me a job working as a Children's emergency paramedic.
[20:44] <BluesKaj> cool , helping others for living , good stuff !
[20:46] <BarkingFish> Yeah - the clinic is actually attached to a University - Ludwig Maximillians Universität.  It's basically what we call a "poly-clinic", but I'm going to be attached to the Kindernotarzt on the children's hospital side.
[20:47] <BarkingFish> What we basically do is run a doctor lead emergency service to seriously ill kids across the whole Munich region
[20:48] <BluesKaj> how's your deutsch ... must be good
[20:49] <hazardz> Hello everyone :)
[20:49] <BarkingFish> i'm not bad, but i still have a lot of medical level german to learn.
[20:49] <BarkingFish> until I'm up to scratch, I have to go out double crewed, with an english speaking doctor.
[20:50] <BluesKaj> I can imagine ...dad spoke some german , he found it hard to learn
[20:50] <BluesKaj> and his native tongue was swedish :)
[20:51] <BarkingFish> my german isn't so bad - I'm capable of quite advanced conversation, but when it comes to passing information over the phone when we forward call a hospital, that'll be a different matter.
[20:51] <BarkingFish> that's where it starts to get complicated, handovers at emergency departments, taking vital signs, etc
[20:52] <BluesKaj> colloquialisms etc
[20:52] <BarkingFish> yeah
[20:53] <BarkingFish> brb
[20:53] <BluesKaj> hazardz, this is a support chat btw ..we're a bit offtopic here
[20:54] <BluesKaj> atm at least
[20:54] <hazardz> Yeah I know But I was going to ask if I could help some people with questions?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> ppl usually ask , then we answer if we can help
[20:55] <BarkingFish> sure.  It's not a problem if you want to help - others ask, and anyone who knows the answer can step in and help them
[20:55] <hazardz> Okay thanks
[20:58] <hazardz> Do any of you guys know when the KDE 4.9.1 SC will be released into the kubuntu backports PPA?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> hazardz, dunno for sure,  Riddell said it was out , but he didn't specify where
[21:01] <BluesKaj> maybe someone's ppa
[21:01] <hazardz> I have looked around and i have found the source code and I could compile it but have no clue where to start.
[21:02] <nafg> Kubuntu seems to be really horrible at handling dual monitor configuration changes
[21:03] <hazardz> In which way do you mean the resolutions not being correct?
[21:03] <nafg> hazardz: For one thing, when I unplug the monitor (from my laptop), it should send windows that were on it onto the remaining display.
[21:04] <nafg> Not only does it not do that, but despite recognizing that it was unplugged, it still allows the mouse to go where the monitor was.
[21:04] <nafg> Another thing, when I reboot, the monitor tray icon has all the check boxes backwards.
[21:05] <nafg> For instance "unify displays" is unchecked, but it starts up with the same thing on both screens.
[21:05] <nafg> Ditto for "primary display"
[21:05] <BluesKaj> hazardz, if you're into bleeding edge , then install build-essentail and cmake , altho the make file will probly work with just the make command , the readme  and install textfiles in the extracted tarball can give the instructions you need to compile it
[21:06] <nafg> Then I gave up and clicked "configure." The second monitor's position was set to "clone of LVDS1"
[21:06] <hazardz> tbh I can understand why the windows will go to the remaining monitor nafg what version of KDE are you using?
[21:06] <nafg> Apparently that's different than "unify display"
[21:06] <DF_Meyer_> nafg: LightDM has some issues with external monitors. There is a fix for that. I also can move mouse off screen after unplugging my monitor. This does not occur under KDM. I have small but tolerable problems with resolution, windows not jumping to availabe screens and mouse and phantom screen syndrome.
[21:06] <nafg> Oh I can understand it to --- it's simply a lack of action otherwise. But it should be smarter.
[21:06] <hazardz> blueskaj what do i need to donwnload to compile?
[21:07] <nafg> It's really annoying, every time I want to move away from my desk, I have to move all the windows on all desktops to the right screen.
[21:08] <hazardz> Yeah I dont use multiple monitors on my laptop i'll plug it into one of the monitors at college and see wht happens
[21:08] <nafg> LightDM is not installed
[21:08] <nafg> Also sometimes unplugging it seems to crash KWin
[21:08] <hazardz> Are you using the defualt KDE login manager?
[21:08] <nafg> Yes
[21:08] <nafg> I recently did a fresh Kubuntu install
[21:08] <BluesKaj> hazardz, yes you'll need to download the upgraded package then extract it , you said you found the source code , then it's probly in tar file
[21:09] <DF_Meyer_> nafg: Ah ok. Are you possibly using DisplayPort? What graphics card? What driver?
[21:10] <nafg> I believe Intel, but how do I verify?
[21:10] <nafg> What is DisplayPort?
[21:10] <hazardz> blueskaj the source doesn't appear to be a one tarball file as you can see in this link: http://kde.org/info/4.9.1.php   Is there a way around this?
[21:10] <hazardz> nafg use kinfo
[21:10] <hazardz> then look under graphics
[21:11] <nafg> You mean KInfoCenter?
[21:11] <hazardz> yeah kinfocenter
[21:11] <SIR_Taco> I completely forgot that kinfo existed...
[21:12] <hazardz> I use it to check my intel card was :)
[21:12] <nafg> Under OpenGL? Or?
[21:13] <hazardz> it shows alot of useful stuff tbh nafg yeah under the openGL
[21:13] <nafg> Not clear what I'm looking for
[21:13] <BluesKaj> hazardz, not that know of , unless someone has a ppa with precompiled packages
[21:14] <hazardz> nafg look under the openGL tab and then the section where it says "3D accelerator"
[21:14] <nafg> Vendor is Intel Corporation
[21:14] <nafg> Device is Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:14] <nafg> (Subvendor HP, Revision 07)
[21:15] <hazardz> So you have an intel card. I have one too what are your resolutions?
[21:15] <nafg> Laptop  is 1280x800
[21:15] <BluesKaj> uhoh kwin just crashed plasma
[21:15] <nafg> External is 1280x1024
[21:16] <nafg> External is very old, laptop is somewhat old :)
[21:18] <hazardz> mine was new this yer core i3 anyway my resolution is 1766x768 mayybe try to keep both of the resolutions the same or have you tried that?
[21:19] <hazardz> blueskaj there are precompiled packages on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml but it is for a different distro or doesn't that matter?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> well, now 12.10 with kde 4.9 with updates and upgrades as of today is becoming a bit shaky on my setup
[21:24] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: really? I haven't had a problem.... yet
[21:24] <hazardz> in which way?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> segfaults with kate in dolphin and kcmshell , and a few others ...I guess I should be chatting on my 12.04 install for a while
[21:26] <hazardz> Blueskaj I have KDE 4.9.0 But I have found a bug where the cursor icon doesn't bounce only deforms lie its trying to bounce and KDE 4.9.1 fixes this bug.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> no point in reporting bugs , these seem to be all dupes
[21:28] <hazardz> I know I looked at the change log and it appears fixed in 4.9.1 accoring the the changelogs anyway.
[21:28] <BluesKaj> hazardz, just don't use the bouncer notifier...I could never stand it :)
[21:29] <SIR_Taco> it used to do that back in the day with older hardware anyway haha
[21:29] <hazardz> haha i like it it looks cool apart from that and that the display brigness display pops up after every ogin unless you turn it off all is fine :)
[21:30] <SIR_Taco> it was fun painting bouncing openoffice icon around the screen while you were waiting.... They should have called it a feature
[21:30] <hazardz> mine bounces for around 2-3 secs :D
[21:30] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco,  it is :)
[21:30] <SIR_Taco> :P
[21:32] <hazardz> I have recently switched from windows to linux Then i used windows 7 again and it felt so slow and clunky compared to KDE, kubuntu 12.04
[21:33] <nafg> hazardz: What would you expect using the same resolution to solve?
[21:34] <hazardz> nafg it might make the windows do what they are supposed to it was just an idea I dont use dual monitors
[21:38] <BluesKaj> hazardz, actually the recent SP1 upgrade to W7 , made it a lot snappier , but i still use kubuntu 90% of the time ...I keep W7 around to stay familar with to help wife when her pc gets into trouble
[21:40] <hazardz> Yeah I wanted to play games and use open source software and my windows 7 was really annoying I couldnt even play minecraft on the lowest settings about 20 FPS  so i nuked it and instaled kubuntu and havn't looked back and plus my games play better on minecraft medium to high setiing 60-30 FPS :D
[21:41] <BluesKaj> hazardz, are they run on wine or are there native linux versions?
[21:42] <BluesKaj> < not a gamer
[21:42] <SIR_Taco> nafg: I'm trying to find you a solution... but it seems most of what I'm finding is along the lines of "it's a bug / it's not fixed / it should be fixed / there's no one to fix it"
[21:43] <hazardz> Minecraft is a native .jar file and its the same on windows I have wine but for programs such as adobe photoshop cs5 and dreamweaver cs5 for college work.
[21:43] <nafg> SIR_Taco: I appreciate it
[21:45] <hazardz> @BlueKaj Minecraft is a native .jar file and its the same on windows I have wine but for programs such as adobe photoshop cs5 and dreamweaver cs5 for college work.
[21:56] <BluesKaj> dinnertime ... BBL ...better stop fooling around with settings or kwin might crash again
[22:08] <SIR_Taco> nafg: unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a solution that I can find (which is odd)