[07:30] <homebrewcider> Hi, I can't install a program in lubuntu as I have no adminstrator rights, I entr my password at the prompt but I keep getting told it is wrong
[07:31] <homebrewcider> can anyone help
[07:31] <bioterror> can you login with that password?
[07:31] <homebrewcider> yes
[07:33] <bioterror> it's hard to install anything without admin rights
[07:51] <homebrewcider> fixed that one myself
[07:54] <bioterror> homebrewcider, what was the problem, then?
[07:55] <homebrewcider> wrong mode, fixed it with pkexec after MUCH googling
[07:55] <homebrewcider> onto the next problem now
[07:56] <homebrewcider> that is , I can ping the lubuntu machine form another machine on the network, but can't see it by Krusader or VNC
[07:58] <kanliot> homebrewcider, did you install file sharing and vnc server?
[07:59] <homebrewcider> I can log in via putty
[07:59] <homebrewcider> obviously not haha
[07:59] <homebrewcider> lubuntu comes real "light" doesn't it
[07:59] <homebrewcider> that's the whole point I suppose
[08:01] <kanliot> i'm writing a wiki on lubuntu, there's a partial guide on vnc here
[08:01] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/3rdParty
[08:01] <kanliot> i
[08:01] <kanliot> am not sure if it's up to date
[08:01] <kanliot> in terms of file sharing, you have 2 options.  Samba, and NFS, use whichever is easier
[08:02] <homebrewcider> well I'm gonna need NFS anyway
[08:03] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[08:06] <homebrewcider> no joy with vnc yet
[08:09] <homebrewcider> on the computer I am talking to yu on, not the one with lubuntu on (from where I want to access lubuntu) I have used vnc before to access the previious operating system on what is now the lubuntu computer (if that makes sense) so I assume everything there is okay
[08:09] <homebrewcider> reading that back, that makes no sense
[08:11] <kanliot> !ask
[08:12] <homebrewcider> trying to word it properly, here goes
[08:14] <homebrewcider> how can I test port 22, I see that mentioned a lot
[08:15] <homebrewcider> to check if it is "open"
[08:15] <kanliot> what's port 22 used 4
[08:16] <homebrewcider> the guide you linked to me mentioned to set up forwarding for that port
[08:16] <kanliot> well i didn't read it
[08:17] <kanliot> have you installed any firewall software on lubuntu, and how many routers/firewalls are between you and your lubuntu pc
[08:17] <kanliot> ?
[08:18] <homebrewcider> just a network switch
[08:18] <kanliot> so 0
[08:19] <kanliot> !ask
[08:37] <homebrewcider> the last question I asked was how I can check port 22
[08:39] <kanliot> no need 2 but if you really want to check i can help
[08:40] <kanliot> you want?
[09:03] <homebrewcider> if there is no need, then no
[09:07] <kanliot> next oversensitive user please
[14:21] <jamanta> hello!
[14:22] <jamanta> im having troble with lubuntu systray if anyone wants to help
[14:23] <jamanta> when pc starts i have an error saying:hplib no systray detected
[14:26] <jamanta> i tried to reinstal the lxpanel
[14:27] <jamanta> no idea what to do, im new to this system
[14:27] <jamanta> cant find documentation
[14:28] <jamanta> any ideas?
[14:47] <wowtis> Hello, how can I make LXDE look good?
[14:48] <holstein> wowtis: good is a matter of opinion... if you have specific needs, we can help! most folks appreciate the minimal look and feel of LXDE... if minimal is not your goal, you might want to try another environment
[14:48] <holstein> i find when most folks "trick-out" LXDE, it can feel heavy again
[14:48] <wowtis> No, I like LXDE minimal, just need a way to "spice it up" a bit.
[14:49] <wowtis> It looks a bit plain atm.
[14:49] <holstein> wowtis: sure.. just ask
[14:49] <wowtis> ?
[14:50] <holstein> wowtis: just ask what you are looking for.. "i would like to run these icons in LXDE" for example
[14:51] <jamanta> im having troble with lubuntu systray if anyone wants to help
[14:51] <wowtis> Does conky work well with LXDE?
[14:51] <holstein> wowtis: should be fine.. ive used it in LXDE with no issues
[14:51] <wowtis> Okay
[14:52] <wowtis> Anyone have a config I can use?
[14:52] <holstein> gnome look has themes for LXDE http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=146674
[14:53] <holstein> wowtis: theres a default config
[14:53] <holstein> http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/12/13-breathtaking-conky-configurations.html
[14:53] <wowtis> Ah, cool.
[14:54] <holstein> jamanta: just ask... with issues like that, i typically create a new user and log in as that new user to help troubleshoot... if the issue is not there are the new user, the i know the issue is like in the user specific config
[14:56] <wowtis> IS LXDE written in C?
[14:57] <jamanta> tx
[14:57] <holstein> wowtis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE says it is... its open, so you can look and see for yourself
[16:35] <leszek> hi
[18:57] <silverarrow> what is terminal emulator in lxde?
[18:57] <wxl> silverarrow: lxterminal
[18:58] <silverarrow> I`m outsmarted by spambot questions lol
[18:58] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXTerminal
[18:58] <silverarrow> thanks
[18:58] <silverarrow> I have now registered for the lxde forum
[18:59] <silverarrow> perhaps somone there knows about battery indicator
[18:59] <holstein> silverarrow: for ppc?
[18:59] <holstein> i would say that.. there might be some different powermanagement hardware in action there
[19:00] <silverarrow> yes
[19:00] <silverarrow> I have googeling up and down the web, but cannot find any good info
[19:09] <silverarrow> what is the easymode application launcher in lxde?
[19:17] <holstein> silverarrow: easymode?
[19:18] <holstein> silverarrow: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher
[19:19] <holstein> like a netbook type thing...
[19:20] <silverarrow> thanks
[19:26] <silverarrow> I still hope someone fixes gecko mplayer for powerpc
[19:26] <holstein> silverarrow: no one is going to fix anything for PPC
[19:27] <silverarrow> they really should
[19:27] <holstein> you could get into it and likely help maintain the community supported version
[19:27] <silverarrow> compiling
[19:28] <wxl> i wouldn't say nobody
[19:28] <silverarrow> I am not clever enough
[19:28] <wxl> but it's not a high priority
[19:29] <silverarrow> I was told to install debian and make bug reports there
[19:29] <silverarrow> they have a few on their team still testing fairly well for powerpc
[19:29] <wxl> i don't know that i entirely agree with that. it can't hurt, i guess, but really anything that requires upstream changes should be pushed upstream once it hits launchpad.
[19:29] <holstein> silverarrow: thats a great place to start... there is no offical ubuntu ppc
[19:30] <silverarrow> if packages are fixed there, they would most likely be fixed for lubuntu too
[19:30] <wxl> likely but not necessarily
[19:30] <wxl> the ubuntu package management team would need to pick up the slack
[19:31] <wxl> on the other hand, if it's pushed by ubuntu in the first place, then they already know what's going on
[19:31] <silverarrow> I discovered there is quite a large aftermarked for powerpc laptops
[19:31] <silverarrow> batteries, replacement chargers are still sold
[19:32] <holstein> silverarrow: you can buy legacy hardware.. thats not in the debate
[19:32] <holstein> the fact is, there is no offical ubuntu PPC
[19:32] <holstein> apple is not supporting the OS that was released on that hardware anymore
[19:34] <silverarrow> there are still updates arriving for tiger and leopard
[19:34] <holstein> its not really ubuntu's place to provide replacement OS's for legacy hardware
[19:34] <wxl> saying that it's not official does not mean it's not valid, though, or that no one cares
[19:34] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Is_Ubuntu_supported_on_PowerPC.3F
[19:34] <holstein> there are some distros like that though silverarrow
[19:34] <holstein> sure.. its "valid" and you can support it
[19:34] <holstein> its not going to ever be officially supported though
[19:35] <wxl> you mean there's no reason to suspect it will be in the near future
[19:35] <wxl> unless you have powers of precognition that i lack
[19:35] <silverarrow> most apps works fine
[19:36] <wxl> i have the same problem with "officially supported" as i do with "lts." their meaning tends to be given a lot of weight, whereas in reality, they don't pack a lot of punch.
[19:36] <silverarrow> it`s media players in browser that needs constant finetuning to work
[19:36] <holstein> sure, for me the punch is here.. if you want a dev to "fix" something, and its not officially supported, it wont be.. a community member will have to be motivated to "fix" it
[19:37] <silverarrow> yeah, I had the same issue with xfburn on regular pc
[19:37] <wxl> oh i disagree with that, holstein. you forget that the devs are community members.
[19:37] <holstein> sure.. but the ones getting paid are *not* going to fix anything PPC, unless they want to take free time and do it
[19:37] <wxl> that much is true
[19:37] <holstein> as a community member, and not an employee
[19:37] <holstein> they will not be paid to fix any PPC issues
[19:38] <holstein> they *can*, just like anyone can
[19:38] <holstein> but that community is getting smaller and smaller.. the ppc users
[19:38] <silverarrow> it was always very small to begin with
[19:38] <silverarrow> most still use tiger and leopard
[19:43] <silverarrow> anyhow, I think I have found something for the battery indicator
[19:44] <silverarrow> ppc support is a bit daft here
[19:44] <silverarrow> ;- )
[19:47] <silverarrow> for reboot and hopefully a working battery indicator
[19:51] <silverarrow> working !!!
[19:51] <silverarrow> I think I have about 2-3 hours on the new battery
[19:52] <silverarrow> I have to note down the time more carefully
[20:05] <silverarrow> unfortunate thing is you have to stick to a distro for a while to get to know it, and make it work properly
[20:05] <silverarrow> at least for an amateur just wanting something different
[20:16] <silverarrow> if I switch to debian it will be all new
[20:16] <silverarrow> but maybe interesting
[20:30] <wxl> silverarrow: my experience was that mintppc is the only thing that works well.
[20:31] <silverarrow> it is?
[20:31] <silverarrow> I have read the mint ppc forum and hardly anything works there either
[20:31] <wxl> out of all of the "official" and unofficial ppc distros out there, it was the one that i found that worked the best.
[20:32] <silverarrow> I mean the main issue with ppc is media streams in browser, like youtube, online tv...
[20:32] <wxl> i had no better luck with debian than i did with lubuntu.
[20:32] <wxl> and i'm not referring to just media streams, but i mean EVERYTHING.
[20:33] <silverarrow> I know the older, and less specs than G4s have some trouble with graphics,
[20:33] <silverarrow> with lubuntu at least, but it is a case of getting the right setting
[20:33] <silverarrow> I  have a ibook G4
[20:33] <silverarrow> low on specs too
[20:33] <wxl> powerbook g4 here
[20:34] <silverarrow> which is better than the ibook
[20:34] <silverarrow> I have 1.42GHz cpu and 512MB RAM
[20:35] <silverarrow> I cannot make up my mind if it is worth getting more ram
[20:35] <wxl> imho hardware is no a problem
[20:35] <wxl> it's more an issue of software support for it
[20:35] <zleap> silverarrow, depends on what you're running i guess
[20:35] <silverarrow> there are at least three guys who swear by debian on G3 ppc
[20:36] <silverarrow> however I would happily try mintppc
[20:36] <silverarrow> wxl, you are in mintppc now?
[20:37] <silverarrow> 512MB is not a lot at all, but monitoring in htp I can hardly push RAM much above 300MB
[20:37] <silverarrow> at least in lubuntu
[20:37] <wxl> silverarrow: i'm on nothing. i could find no software that could really get the thing to function as a modern web browser. my intent was to give it to my daughter, but there's no way she's playing web games on a ppc.
[20:37] <zleap> raspberry pi seems to work well on 256,   running debian and lxde i think
[20:38] <silverarrow> wxl, true webgames would be an isse
[20:38] <silverarrow> major one
[20:38] <wxl> zleap: since you're jumping in here, i should warn you this is not necessarily a discussion of minimal hardware needed, but a discussion about ppc.
[20:38] <silverarrow> I don`t game much tough
[20:38] <wxl> well if you want to do anything that's flash based, which is so much of the web these days…
[20:38] <silverarrow> mostly the ibook is for writing, it is still very nice there
[20:39] <silverarrow> true, every flash related package for ppc is broken
[20:39] <silverarrow> mozilla plugin for gnash
[20:39] <silverarrow> gecko-mplayer
[20:39] <silverarrow> mini-tube crashes
[20:40] <wxl> i tried them all myself
[20:40] <wxl> for that matter i tried to get java to work too
[20:40] <silverarrow> midori and gnash works
[20:40] <silverarrow> fine
[20:40] <wxl> even going so far as jumping through the hoops to get ibm java
[20:40] <silverarrow> java works fine here, with iced tea
[20:40] <wxl> it depends on what you're using
[20:40] <wxl> small apps, no problem
[20:40] <silverarrow> my bank works, and what I have tested
[20:41] <silverarrow> java test page runs fine
[20:42] <silverarrow> there is a bank ID test that crashes in firefox
[20:42] <silverarrow> which it should not
[20:42] <silverarrow> comes out fine in midori for some reason, and shows "you are running os x and safari"
[20:42] <wxl> hah
[20:42] <silverarrow> which is a bit on the weird side
[20:43] <silverarrow> flash media streams needs fine tuning on each new release
[20:44] <silverarrow> powerpc just don`t get the attention or even feed back to devs
[20:44] <silverarrow> some really hate the idea of keep up powerpc
[20:45] <bioterror> move to debian with the ppc
[20:45] <silverarrow> they get annoyed
[20:45] <bioterror> it might even have some interested users
[20:45] <silverarrow> like bioterror,
[20:45] <silverarrow> I can feel his head getting red
[20:45] <wxl> there are at least a few ppc testers of lubuntu
[20:46] <silverarrow> wxl, sounds promising
[20:46] <wxl> and moreso, it seems that xubuntu and ubuntu ppc users are moving to lubuntu
[20:46] <wxl> lubuntu is quickly becoming the de facto canonical distro for ppc
[20:47] <silverarrow> I though unity would be a bit too much for the old hardware
[20:47] <bioterror> silverarrow, nope, my head is not getting red
[20:47] <silverarrow> oh, it is the irritation of your heart perhas
[20:47] <bioterror> I'm just pointing you to the right direction
[20:47] <silverarrow> yeah maybe
[20:49] <silverarrow> but the other day I was described as ausitic wanting to keep the ibook alive with linux
[20:51] <silverarrow> debian have the desktop with the mouse for ppc
[20:51] <silverarrow> they have loads of builds, but as close to running out of the box option