[03:17] <FourDollars> Hi, how do I push an new package into Ubuntu precise-updates ?
[03:17] <FourDollars> Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports ?
[03:17] <FourDollars> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:19] <micahg> !sru | FourDollars
[03:19] <FourDollars> micahg: thanks
[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[04:57] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[06:10] <pitti> wgrant: ah, yay duplication :) well,  it wasn't much lost
[06:10] <wgrant> Indeed, there's not a huge amount of code to either of them :)
[07:00] <RAOF> pitti: Hey, how do you unwrite a bugpattern? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/929219 is accidentally snaffling lots of dbus crashes.
[07:00] <pitti> RAOF: just change it in lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns, the cron job pick it up in the next 15 mins
[07:01] <pitti> RAOF: but I guess in this case it should probably be refined instead of removed?
[07:01] <RAOF> pitti: Probably.
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <RAOF> pitti: Hm. Probably just switching from “ThreadStacktrace” to “Stacktrace” would do, I think.
[07:06] <RAOF> Why can you match on ThreadStacktrace, anyway? That seems hugely prone to false-positives.
[07:08] <pitti> bug patterns don't care -- they have no logic of their own
[07:08] <pitti> they just apply whichever key/value regexp matches you specify
[07:59] <pitti> ogra_: the instructions for the current armhf desktop images make it sound like they'd boot right off USB -- is that really possible now?
[07:59] <ogra_> erm, no
[08:00] <pitti> (from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22473/testcases)
[08:00] <ogra_> the panda ROM can only boot off SD or usbnetwork via the mini USB port
[08:00] <pitti> ogra_: ok, so still "burn .iso on SD card and install onto USB-stick and generate a small boot SD"
[08:01] <pitti> ogra_: merci
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, ah, i think thats just a copy/paste of the x86 instructions
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, sudo dd if=path_to.img of=/dev/your/sd/card bs=4M
[08:02] <pitti> yeah, been there, done that; I just wondered whether the instructions were deliberate
[08:02] <ogra_> attach a USB disk as target device to your panda, plug in the SD (and monitor,mouse,kbd) and just boot
[08:02] <ogra_> the rest is like any other desktop install (except that we dont run a live session by default)
[08:03] <ogra_> and dont remove the SD after install, it becomes your "bootfloppy"
[08:04] <pitti> nice; I'm eager to see the progress since alpha-2, it's been a while since I touched the Panda board
[08:04] <ogra_> well, we default to have the 3D driver installed now ... and you run the "real unity" :)
[08:05] <seb128> ogra_, 2 USB ports, ENOTENOUGH for keyboard,mouse,usb stick
[08:05] <ogra_> there are still flickering issues and since we switched to 3D by default firefox got massively slow
[08:05] <RAOF> Heh. I'll need to try that again.
[08:05] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, you need a hub :(
[08:05] <RAOF> seb128: You mean your monitor is *not* a usb hub? :)
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, not only it's not an usb hub, but it also doesn't do hmdi, only vga and dvi... ;-)
[08:06] <RAOF> seb128: You may have other problems, then :)
[08:06] <ogra_> seb128, you *can* install to SD ... but need to prepare the partitioning in advance and make sure the partitioner of ubiquity doent touch the device at all during install
[08:06] <ogra_> *doesnt
[08:06] <seb128> RAOF, I've been using the pandobard on the TV so far, it's my only hdmi capable screen
[08:06] <ogra_> seb128, so put that TV in your office and expense a new one ;)
[08:06] <seb128> ogra_, I guess I can as well install with a keyboard and no mouse, or hotswap those :p
[08:06] <seb128> ogra_, ;-)
[08:07] <ogra_> oh, yeah, indeed
[08:18] <xnox> I have single USB dongle for wireless keyboard&mouse =) Win! =)
[08:33] <pitti> jibel: on the ubiquity screen about partitioning/formatting ("erase/lvm/encrypt/other"), the continue button does not work; did you see this on other platforms as well? (I'm trying current beta-1 armhf)
[08:34] <xnox> pitti: hmmm...? do you have external drive plugged in or are you doing 'pre-partioned' way?
[08:34] <jibel> pitti, it works on intel
[08:34] <xnox> pitti: and ogra was reporting success on panda's with yesterdays beta candidates I think....
[08:35] <pitti> I tried back and next again, and now it works
[08:35] <pitti> I only plugged in the USB drive when the ubiquity start screen was already on, so perhaps it got confused due to that
[08:36] <xnox> yes it would, cause it locks down environment / blocks device events early.
[08:39] <tsdgeos> do we plan to fix/silence out that annoying fontconfig warnings each time you start an application?
[08:41] <xnox> tsdgeos: Laney was planning to mass upload / fix all the fonts.
[08:41] <Laney> hahaha
[08:42] <Laney> I think I actually said that I /might/ fix /some/ of them :P
[08:44] <Daviey> three cheers for Laney, volunteering to fix all of them. hip, hip.
[08:45] <xnox> HORAY! =)
[08:46] <ogra_> *clap* *clap* *clap*
[08:46] <Laney> /quit
[08:46] <ajmitch> heh
[08:46] <Laney> but really, which ones are there on a default install?
[08:46] <Laney> is it just the ones from l-s?
[08:46] <ajmitch> but look at all the support you're getting
[08:47] <Laney> yes... I could convert it into delicious Danish beer
[08:48] <xnox> dholbach: we really need developer initiative for bug 1034928
[08:49] <xnox> they annoy everyone and there are too many font-config based fonts with these warnings which spam stderr
[08:49] <Nafallo> hi
[08:49] <ogra_> look another volunteer
[08:50] <Nafallo> I'm just running ubuntu-support-status on a server for a customer, and I see the kernel is showing up as only 18m support.
[08:50] <Nafallo> what's going on? o_O
[08:50] <Nafallo> this is on LTS obviously.
[08:50] <xnox> thanks ogra_ !!! I knew you would step up =)
[08:50] <ogra_> erm
[08:51] <ogra_> xnox, i promise to fix all fonts that fail on arm after Laney is done ;)
[08:51] <ajmitch> Laney: no-change rebuilds then? :)
[08:52] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Oh, that probably needs a seed tweak.  What's the ABI version here?
[08:52] <cjwatson> Nafallo: And do you mean precise?
[08:52] <Nafallo> cjwatson: precise indeed. ABI 29 :-)
[08:53] <Nafallo> cjwatson: thanks for confirming my suspicion :-)
[08:54] <cjwatson> Hmm, right - let me prod at this, the SUPPORTED_HINTS stuff looks rather unloved in precise
[08:54] <Nafallo> heh
[08:54] <Nafallo> another thing for the checklists ;-)
[08:58] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Which package name *exactly*?
[08:58] <dholbach> xnox, feel free to add it to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative :)
[08:58] <Nafallo> Supported until October 2013 (18m):
[08:58] <Nafallo> linux-image-server
[08:59] <Nafallo> Supported until March 2014 (18m):
[08:59] <Nafallo> linux-headers-3.2.0-29 linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic
[08:59] <Nafallo> linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic
[08:59] <Nafallo> ^-- cjwatson
[08:59] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[09:00] <cjwatson> I wonder what's going on with those dates
[09:00] <xnox> dholbach: ok.
[09:00] <Nafallo> they do seem a bit random, don't they? :-)
[09:00] <dholbach> :-D
[09:00] <cjwatson> Because one of "until October 2013 (18m)" and "until March 2014 (18m)" is lying
[09:00] <cjwatson> Never mind anything else
[09:02] <cjwatson> So linux-image-server is kind of OK as it is - the supported thing is linux-image-generic-pae, -server is just a transitional package really
[09:02] <cjwatson> Oh, except this is amd64 isn't it
[09:02] <cjwatson> linux-image-generic then
[09:02] <cjwatson> So in that case it probably is just the usual business about bumping for new ABIs
[09:07] <Nafallo> server and generic are the same these days?
[09:07]  * ogra_ wonders if the back/forward buttons in the ubiquity slidesho work for anyone else or if thats a pandaboard specific bug
[09:07] <ogra_> +w
[09:09] <cjwatson> Nafallo: I *think* this should be fixed after the precise-updates Packages files are next regenerated (so whenever an SRU is next published there)
[09:09] <Nafallo> okay, kewl :-)
[09:09] <Nafallo> I'll keep testing.
[09:09] <Nafallo> thanks muchly cjwatson
[09:49] <pitti> ogra_: now I understand why we had had preinstalled images .. this is taking half a day
[09:50] <ogra_> pitti, with a decent usb disk or key its about 1h
[09:50] <ogra_> (i use a 32G USB 3.0 key here, that finishes in 45min)
[09:51] <ogra_> OMAP5 will have SATA ... that should finish in 10min then
[09:51] <ogra_> USB 2.0 simply only allows 24M/s max.
[09:52]  * ogra_ reboots into his finished install
[10:14]  * Laney joins the panda-fest
[10:23] <pitti> ogra_: does unity actually work for you? I've let the blank wallpaper with a mouse cursor stay around for 10 minutes, and nothing happens
[10:24] <ogra_> pitti, yes, works fine, i just reported my bugs on the running desktop
[10:40] <ogra_> pitti, did it work now ?
[10:41] <pitti> ogra_: no, I just set it back to my usual mode -- disable lightdm, install openssh-server, and let it sit headless under my desk
[10:41] <ogra_> hmpf
[10:41] <ogra_> would be good to know what failed and why
[10:41] <ogra_> do you know which model your panda is ?
[10:42] <ogra_> (there should be a sticker on the bottom)
[10:42] <pitti> "ES Rev B1"
[10:42] <pitti> PCBA: 750-2-2170-002 REV B
[10:42] <ogra_> hmm, that shouldnt have any issues
[10:42] <ogra_> im currently testin on a B2 but all the ES'es should be fine
[10:44] <ogra_> pitti, filing a bug with ~/.xsession-errors and Xog.0.log might be helpful
[10:45] <pitti> okay; will do after I finish packaging pygobject and having lunch
[10:53] <seb128> ev, jodh: you guys still have workitems on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-graceful-failure that were targetted at beta1, I'm moving them to beta2, could you set them to postponed if you think you will not get to them this cycle?
[10:54] <ev> seb128: just saw - cheers
[10:59] <Laney> ogra_: oh god, the flickering!
[10:59] <ogra_> Laney, fun, isnt it :)
[10:59] <ogra_> bug 1045491
[11:00] <Laney> cheers
[11:00] <Laney> the mouse seems slightly laggy too, but that could be me
[11:00]  * ogra_ would more like to know why the server image doesnt give any screen output at all
[11:03] <ogra_> gah !
[11:04] <ogra_> seems the new framebuffer driver actually requires console= to be set
[11:48] <Daviey> does it make sense for svn to still be in main?
[11:49] <cjwatson> That depends on whether we care about our userbase who are developers of things other than free software.
[11:49] <cjwatson> Or indeed free software in more corporate kinds of settings.
[11:50] <cjwatson> In fact we use it ourselves in our datacentre (think LP code imports) so we de facto support it anyway.
[11:54] <Daviey> cjwatson: right, i'm not saying throw it out of the archive :).. just trying to work out if it still has a place in main.
[11:55] <Daviey> cjwatson: Does Launchpad use 'svn' for imports?
[11:57] <Daviey> ah, libsvn1 from svn
[11:58] <cjwatson> Daviey: What I mean is that we don't really gain much as an organisation by pretending not to support something we use ourselves
[11:58] <cjwatson> I knew you didn't mean to throw it out of the archive
[11:59] <mdeslaur> Is svn much of a maintenance burden? I don't really like the idea of tools our developers use to fetch upstream sources and patches not getting security updates...
[12:00] <Daviey> mdeslaur: fair point.
[12:00] <cjwatson> Quite.  I suspect Daviey is asking because it has a pending MIR attached.
[12:00] <Daviey> The only reason i raised this was becuas eit has a Recommends showing on C-M.. and wanted a quick health check to see if it is still suitable
[12:00] <cjwatson> svn2cl doesn't look that complex though.
[12:01] <cjwatson> (Well, I haven't looked at the code but how much complexity can you realistically fit inside 20KB ...)
[12:01] <cjwatson> * answers from information theorists not acceptable
[12:13] <tjaalton> should removing /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch be enough in disabling multiarch? doesn't seem to work on a quantal chroot, or I've missed something
[12:13] <cjwatson> dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[12:13] <cjwatson> (dpkg --print-foreign-architectures)
[12:14] <tjaalton> thanks
[12:33] <dpm> cjwatson, sent another e-mail to u-d, would you (or someone else who's got access to the moderation queue) mind approving it? I've also got another one coming later on
[12:34] <seb128> dpm, you should subscribe to the list ;-)
[12:34] <cjwatson> Subscription doesn't help with u-d.
[12:35] <dpm> exactly :)
[12:35] <cjwatson> I've processed your mail.
[12:36] <seb128> cjwatson, what teams have access? I guess ubuntumembers doesn't?
[12:36] <cjwatson> It's supposed to be ubuntu-dev.
[12:36] <BenC> Laney: fyi, I'm working on that cryptocipher build failure
[12:36] <Laney> ah, excellent
[12:36] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, makes sense, it just feels weird that dpm is out of the set of people who can post there ;-)
[12:37] <cjwatson> Well, I can always whitelist him.  I'll do that now.
[12:37] <seb128> dpm, you should become ubuntu developer, come on #ubuntu-desktop we will find you stuff you can help with ;-)
[12:37] <dpm> cool, thanks seb128 and cjwatson ;)
[12:37] <dpm> seb128, oh, didn't realize the whitelisting came at a price! ;-)
[12:38] <cjwatson> Whitelisted now.
[12:38] <Daviey> step aside seb128.. dpm wants to make the cloud a better place.
[12:38] <seb128> dpm, I was suggesting you the "proper way", whitelist is cheating :p
[12:38] <dpm> hahaha
[12:38] <dpm> I feel pressured now
[12:38] <seb128> Daviey, heh, I was there first, I won fair and square, back off :p
[12:39] <Daviey> dang.
[12:39] <dpm> Daviey, oi, you've already got jcastro, you only get one community guy per team!
[12:39] <seb128> or dpm could do desktop during the day and cloud at nights... ;-)
[12:41] <dpm> seb128, yeah, I think it's a good idea, I've always wondered what to do with my ever growing spare time :P
[12:41] <seb128> dpm, ;-)
[12:41] <seb128> take example on dholbach, he keeps telling me how much he misses doing desktop work!
[12:43] <dpm> seb128, I know, he was just PM'ing me about how he misses the good old desktop days, you should assign them some work items :-)
[12:43] <dpm> *him
[12:43] <seb128> ;-)
[12:52] <janimo> doko, hi, do you know which version of gcc are supposed to support -fuse-ld=gold ? Precise one does not seem to
[13:02] <doko> janimo, none upstream until now. the safe way is to use -B/usr/lib/gold-ld/
[13:02] <janimo> dobey, thanks
[13:03] <janimo> sorry :)
[13:17] <dholbach> seb128, haha
[13:18] <dholbach> seb128, try to work with these guys https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+mugshots for a while and see what kind of other work you think of as worthwhile afterwards :-P
[13:19] <seb128> dholbach, ;-)
[13:41] <BenC> Laney: I'm getting ready to test this patch: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/attachment/ticket/6156/0001-Fix-for-optimizer-bug-on-linux-powerpc-6156.patch
[13:41] <BenC> Laney: We're definitely hitting this bug: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/6156
[13:41] <BenC> The minimal test case for -O0 and -O2 shows the failure in the current powerpc ghc
[13:46] <Laney> BenC: groovy
[13:46] <Laney> feel free to upload that if it works
[13:46] <BenC> Excellent, thanks
[13:46] <Laney> but please do a binary debdiff to make sure none of the Provides change
[13:46] <Laney> I will cry if they do
[13:48]  * soren is slightly amazed that Haskell on PowerPC is an area of anyone's particular concern
[13:49] <soren> If I were to come up with an example of "niche", it might very well involve the words "Haskell" and "PowerPC" :)
[13:49] <Laney> amazingly, there are actually at least *two* people that care!
[13:50] <xnox> jibel: don't want to disturb #ubuntu-release. Debug shows 16.9 TB drive.... is that really 16.9TB drive?
[13:50] <Rovanion> Where are X keymaps located. I've modified a map in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ but when I set the same map and the same variant that I modified, nothing changes.
[13:50] <xnox> jibel: partman might not handle that well.
[13:51] <jibel> xnox, well, I'd like to allocate 16TB to each VM I use, but no it's 16GB
[13:51] <xnox> jibel: ok. I wonder if there is magnitude error somewhere.
[13:52] <jibel> xnox, output of sfdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/1185781/
[14:03] <seb128> slangasek, hey, do you know if qemu-linary should build the spice binary on 32bits in quantal?
[14:14] <jibel> xnox, especially for you I attached the error message in russian. as I said in the comment, the key seems to be to start the live session in a non-english language
[14:15] <xnox> jibel: locale which has commas as the decimal separator and hence we get shell errors....?!
[14:26] <zul> mterry:  ping
[14:26] <mterry> zul, hello
[14:26] <zul> mterry:  can you have a look at the MIR for requests please
[14:26] <mterry> zul, yes, on my list.  I'll look at it now
[14:26] <zul> mterry: cool thanks
[14:33] <xnox> jibel: hmm.. no crash in the current test. but i did install instead of live-session -> install. will redo again now.
[14:40] <zyga> hey
[14:40] <zyga> I have a question about udisks and udisks2 being on our default desktop ISOs
[14:40] <zyga> udisks is being pulled by checkbox
[14:40] <zyga> and apparently nothing else on the CD needs it
[14:40] <zyga> so here's the question:
[14:40] <zyga> or questions:
[14:41] <zyga> 1) is it safe/sane to keep both running at the same time? I've observed some differences as compared to precise and while I don't know if they are caused by the two running in tandem it's certainly a possibility
[14:42] <zyga> 2) is there a strong desire to eject udisks from the ISO? If so we could bump the priority of the bug in checkbox and rewrite the relevant parts to use udisks2
[14:42] <zyga> slangasek, hey, since I know you, do you know who might be the best person to ask about ^ ?
[14:49] <zyga> jono, hey, would you mind telling me who is the best person to talk to, from the platform team,  about udisks 1 & 2 being on the ISO
[14:50] <ogra_> zyga, pitti used to maintain it in the past, not sure who has taken over
[14:50] <ogra_> (or if someone has)
[14:50] <zyga> oh, cool
[14:50] <zyga> pitti, ^^
[14:50] <pitti> zyga: udisks 1 should disappear; hasn't it yet?
[14:50] <zyga> nope
[14:50] <pitti> urgh
[14:50] <zyga> it's right on the iso
[14:50] <zyga> because of checkbox
[14:50] <zyga> and it's running
[14:50] <jono> :-)
[14:50] <zyga> so scroll up to see my questions above
[14:50] <pitti> ah, and usb-creator
[14:51] <brendand> pitti - usb-creator also pulls udisks?
[14:51] <pitti> yes, there is a strong desire; udisks1 is unmaintained, and just mirrors what udisks2 is doing
[14:51] <zyga> pitti, IIRC usb-creator was not in rdepends
[14:51] <pitti> it is
[14:51] <zyga> oh, sorry then
[14:51] <pitti> usb-creator-common depends on it
[14:51] <zyga> right usb-creator-common
[14:51] <pitti> bug 1024405
[14:51] <zyga> ok
[14:51] <zyga> so I'm working on a bug to rewrite checkbox to udisks2
[14:52] <pitti> zyga: nice, thanks!
[14:52] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/1016035
[14:52] <zyga> pitti, we need to decide on priority
[14:52] <zyga> if udisks1 will absolutely go away from the iso we'll bump it an get rid of udisks1 from quantal checkbox
[14:53] <pitti> well, it can't go away as long as there are rdepends
[14:53] <pitti> so we need to port checkbox and u-c
[14:53] <pitti> then it'll fall off itself
[14:53] <zyga> right
[14:53] <xnox> is it hard to port between the two?
[14:53] <pitti> the concept is the same
[14:53] <zyga> xnox, the api has changed to some degree
[14:53] <pitti> the API is a bit differently structured
[14:53]  * xnox has a local port to python3 of the u-c which needs to land
[14:53] <zyga> xnox, it's not just a x/1/2/ in the strings you send
[14:53] <xnox> zyga: =(
[14:53] <pitti> the biggest issue with usb-creator is that it has a full udisks mock implementation for the test suite
[14:53]  * xnox lol
[14:54] <zyga> ah
[14:54] <brendand> !
[14:54] <pitti> the actual parts that are being used at runtime are fairly small
[14:54] <zyga> ok
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, one last question, in case both end up on the CD
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, and we run both by default
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, is that safe?
[14:54] <pitti> yes, should be
[14:54] <zyga> pitti, as I've noted in my bug it seems to do less than it did in precise
[14:54] <pitti> (and udisks 1 doesn't run until something talks to it)
[14:55] <zyga> pitti, to be precise, it is not sending the signal on fs mounts anymore
[14:55] <zyga> pitti, ah, good point, it's service activated
[14:55] <pitti> I still see it in the udisks and gvfs monitors, and gvfs depends on tracking mounts
[14:55] <zyga> what do you see?
[14:56] <zyga> the job FilesystemMounted?
[14:56] <zyga> I don't see that in dbus-monitor anymore
[14:56] <pitti> 16:56:28.416: /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/sdb: org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem: Properties Changed
[14:56] <pitti>   MountPoints:          /mnt
[14:56] <zyga> udisk2 yeah
[14:56] <zyga> udisk1 nope
[14:56] <pitti> yeah, sure -- since it doesn't run by default
[14:57] <zyga> we have a bug in checkbox where it fails to detect a thumb drive
[14:57] <pitti> unless you actually activate it?
[14:57] <zyga> hmmm
[14:57] <zyga> sure but I look at that attachment:
[14:57] <zyga> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114785262/device-inserted-quantal.txt
[14:57] <zyga> udisk is running there as checkbox requests it
[14:58] <zyga> but the signal it sends are different from precise where it also reported all fs mounts
[14:58] <zyga> I'm not sure what's going on in the plumbing layer
[14:58] <zyga> who does the mounting actually?
[14:58] <zyga> is that udisks2 or udisks1 or something even lower?
[14:58] <pitti> udisks2
[14:58] <zyga> but that would explain why there is no signal
[14:58] <zyga> (udisks2 was faster)
[14:58] <zyga> right
[14:58] <zyga> ok
[14:58] <zyga> that explains everything then
[14:59] <pitti> through gvfs, triggered by a gnome-settings-daemon plugin (but that doesn't matter)
[14:59] <zyga> so in quantal udisks is just as capable, just not used by the relevant desktop machinery that requests the mount
[14:59] <pitti> yes, it didn't really change
[14:59] <zyga> ok, then it all makes sense now, thanks pitti
[15:00] <zyga> I'll try to get rid of that dependency :)
[15:00] <pitti> cheers!
[15:00] <pitti> and with that, good night everyone!
[15:00] <Riddell> barry: what is it about python3 that stops this working? http://paste.kde.org/543998/   importing pyqt should give you a qstring surely
[15:03] <barry> Riddell: that might be a better question for ScottK?  i don't know the pyqt4 api very well and i wouldn't be surprised if the api were different for python3
[15:07] <cjwatson> yes, it's different
[15:07] <cjwatson> QString going away is a *good* thing, you get plain old python strings by default
[15:08] <cjwatson> cf. ubiquity r5465 and r5466
[15:08] <cjwatson> Mostly the latter
[15:09] <cjwatson> If you don't have to worry about py2 compat then you can just throw plain python strings around and not worry about it
[15:13] <BenC> Laney: The patch worked, so upload eminent
[15:14] <slangasek> seb128: my recollection is that spice only works on 64-bit; hallyn would be able to confirm
[15:14] <slangasek> zyga: maybe pitti
[15:14] <slangasek> oh, already sorted ;)
[15:15] <seb128> slangasek, some of the redhat people working on gnome-boxes says that's not true anymore and that spice got fixed to work on 32 bits
[15:15] <seb128> slangasek, should work in the version we have
[15:16] <zyga> :)
[15:16] <seb128> slangasek, I will check with hallyn, thanks
[15:18] <Riddell> barry: yeah, just wanted to make sure I haven't come across some fundamental python3 change I didn't know about
[15:18] <barry> Riddell: not that i know of :)
[15:18] <cjwatson> It's a change in pyqt, not a change in python3
[15:19] <Riddell> pitti: I want to make a change to apport to fix bug 1028984 and I'm lost in the twisty maze of branches, where do I commit it and how to upload? http://paste.kde.org/544016/
[15:19] <Riddell> oh he's gone to bed
[15:41] <Riddell> smoser: you uploaded apport, can you tell me what the right way is to make changes to it in bzr and the archive?
[15:52] <jbicha> hi, I'm getting certificate errors when I visit wiki.ubuntu.com, anyone know if an rt ticket has been opened for that yet?
[15:54] <TJ-> what's the error? the cert looks valid
[15:54] <smoser> Riddell, i can tell you because i did it wrong :)
[15:54] <jbicha> The certificate is only valid for the following names:
[15:54] <jbicha> *.canonical.com , canonical.com
[15:55] <TJ-> jbicha: I'm seeing it issued as a wildcard for *.ubuntu.com
[15:55] <smoser> the upstream branch is a core dev branch, so suerly changes are supposed to be made there before being uploaded.
[15:56] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/quantal/apport/ubuntu is the branch, but i'm not exactly sure how pitti wants it handled. bdmurray surely knows.
[15:58] <jbicha> TJ-: what if you restart your browser?
[15:58] <TJ-> jbicha: very strange! Firefox shows *.ubuntu.com but openssl s_client shows *.canonical.com
[15:59] <TJ-> jbicha: And Chromium also shows *.ubuntu.com and I've never used Chromium on that site previously
[16:01] <TJ-> jbicha: Could be an issue with front-end SSL load-balancers being out of sync
[16:05] <jbicha> ok, filed rt ticket 20372
[16:11] <xnox> jbicha: TJ-: the certificate there is blancket, i.e. cloud friendly. not all browsers / ssl implementations will accept it.
[16:12] <xnox> but most modern browsers should.
[16:12] <xnox> check which extensions the certificate is using.
[16:12] <xnox> afaik it is not bound to particular IPs for *.ubuntu.com
[16:14] <jbicha> ok, I restarted Firefox & it's working now, thanks
[16:18] <seb128> xnox, for sound indicator integration you need mpris enabled in rb, not sure if you disabled that?
[16:18] <seb128> xnox, it's in rhythmbox-plugins
[16:19] <xnox> seb128: having that package uninstalled doesn't help me, does it?!
[16:19] <seb128> xnox, no it doesn't
[16:19] <seb128> ;-)
[16:19] <xnox> seb128: that's what I get for partially upgrading at one point, don't I =)
[16:20] <seb128> xnox, indeed, got what you deserved for using dist-upgrade :p
[16:20] <xnox> seb128: now If you could help me regain overlay-scrollbars that would be wonderful. As I managed to disable them (when glade was crashing) and can't seem to "re-enable" them any more.
[16:20] <seb128> xnox, did you export OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 or something?
[16:21] <seb128> LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0
[16:21] <xnox> nope. plus that won't work anymore since it became gtk module instead of pre-load.
[16:21] <seb128> xnox, otherwise check that overlay-scrollbar and overlay-scrollbar-gtk3 are installed
[16:22] <xnox> yeap have all 5 of them (i.e. including dbgsymbols)
[16:22] <seb128> xnox, the first one has a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/81overlay-scrollbar which does append overlay-scrollbar to the gtk loader list
[16:22] <seb128> xnox, did you hack that to not doit?
[16:22] <xnox> yeah, that file is still there.
[16:22] <seb128> echo $GTK_MODULES?
[16:23] <xnox> $ env | grep GTK_MODULES
[16:23] <xnox> GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:canberra-gtk-module:overlay-scrollbar
[16:23] <seb128> env | grep -i scrollbar
[16:23] <xnox> seb128: same output, i.e. just in the GTK_MODULES.....
[16:23] <seb128> xnox, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars
[16:24] <seb128> (we have too many way to handle those ;-)
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: was set to false.....
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: set to true, but restarting apps doesn't make difference. I guess i need to restart a session.
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: thanks though =)
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: will see if I have scrollbars tomorrow.
[16:25] <seb128> xnox, you shouldn't...
[16:26] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, we should all just move to SuSE ... they just have yast :)
[16:26] <ogra_> (wrt too many places to configure)
[16:27] <seb128> haha
[16:27] <seb128> xnox, but yeah, doesn't seem to pick it dynamically...
[16:29] <jcastro> xnox: in the future if you dist-upgrade you can just reinstall ubuntu-desktop to get default "stuff" back.
[16:30] <seb128> jcastro, does that bring back recommends?
[16:31] <xnox> jcastro: thanks. Apparently I don't have update-manager installed. No wonder using quantal was so peaceful for me =)
[17:00] <jcastro> seb128: I think there's a flag for recommends?
[17:00] <jcastro> usually just reinstalling it fixes it up for me, after I shoot myself in the foot anyway...
[17:00] <seb128> jcastro, yeah, things is when recommends quite uninstalled it's hard to flag if it's because you didn't want them or if that was an error or upgrade issue
[17:01] <seb128> quite->get
[17:01] <seb128> jcastro, so they are cases where they will not be reinstalled because they were flagged as something you didn't want
[17:02] <jcastro> also I'm assuming that whatever conflict is going on in the archive that led him to a partial upgrade be resolved
[17:46] <mips1911> Hi, where can I get a 12.10 netinstall cd image?
[17:53] <directhex> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?
[17:53] <cjwatson> mips1911: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ has an index
[17:55] <jamespage> slangasek, I appear to be struggling to reproduce the issue with iscsi root boot that I saw during alpha-3...
[17:56] <mips1911> cjwatson, thanks I found it via http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[18:07] <slangasek> jamespage: well, ok then :)
[18:07] <jamespage> slangasek, hmm - maybe not - I just added another comment to the bug which seems to relate to when I see the problem
[18:08] <jamespage> bug 1028458 for reference
[18:09] <slangasek> jamespage: oh, hah; then you're seeing bug ##1038055
[18:11] <jamespage> slangasek, certainly seems a little more reliable when i switch cirrus -.> vga
[18:12] <slangasek> jamespage: a little more reliable, or completely reliable? :)
[18:12] <jamespage> slangasek, rebooting lots to see
[18:14] <jamespage> slangasek, OK - I'd go with completely reliable for my small set of reboot tests (~10)
[18:15] <jamespage> slangasek, not sure why I'm seeing a splash screen at-all - I thought that was disabled for server?
[18:16] <slangasek> jamespage: I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that
[18:16]  * jamespage puts that on his list
[18:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^ do you know what the server install is currently supposed to be doing wrt splash screens?
[18:20] <jamespage> certainly not like that for 12.04
[18:26] <slangasek> could be a regression introduced by the squashfs work
[18:31] <mips1911> which would be the best mirror to use for a 12.10 netinstall?
[18:34] <mips1911> I'm getting a no kernel modules found error from the installer?
[18:50] <mips1911> ok, seems like the US mirror works while some others don't
[18:54] <xnox> mips1911: archive.ubuntu.com should always have the latest/greatest
[18:55] <xnox> mips1911: it's best to run your own local mirror though.
[18:56] <mips1911> xnox, I always thought it might be the UK one seeing that's where canonical is 'located'. Anyway the 12.10 mini.iso netinstall seems to be doing it's thing now, only at 6% though.
[18:58] <mips1911> xnox, my own local mirror ZA & the UK one would not work with the net install
[19:01] <zul> mterry:  ping sorry to bug you again but can you have a look at the MIR for python-quantumclient as well
[19:04] <xnox> mips1911: local as in the one you created yourself on the local network by mirroing / proxying the good mirror e.g. archive.ubuntu.com.
[19:04] <xnox> mips1911: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[19:05] <xnox> will tell the status for each distro release series. Many mirrors have $dev release behind or not at all.
[19:05] <xnox> mips1911: so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.wa.co.za-archive should work fine.
[19:06] <mips1911> xnox, meant local = country ZA
[19:06] <mterry> zul, yeah
[19:06] <zul> cool thanks
[19:06] <xnox> mips1911: sorry. yeah =) check launchpad for the correct & up to date onces.
[19:09] <mips1911> xnox, thanks but I will just stick to the main one from now on. I'm on a slow link anyway and get no speed difference between the mirrors
[19:21] <mips1911> Are the packages in the 4.10 PPA newer than those in the Quantal repos?
[19:22] <mips1911> Ignore that question, wrong channel. Sorry.
[19:36] <pcarrier> hey
[19:36] <pcarrier> any chance I could remove a binary package from a PPA? it got superseded
[19:36] <mips1911> hi
[19:38] <trism> pcarrier: in your ppa? on your ppa page, go to package details, then delete packages
[19:40] <pcarrier> trism: ooh, good point, just forgot to login :D
[19:40] <pcarrier> trism++
[19:43] <pcarrier> hmmm contents files would be nice :)
[19:43] <mips1911> Is it possible to continue a netinstall that got interrupted? ie use the existing files on the hdd?
[19:44] <pcarrier> mips1911: depends on when it was interrupted, but probably a bad idea
[19:45] <mips1911> pcarrier, towards the end, it was busy downloading linux-image-extre-3.5.0-13-generic
[19:45] <pcarrier> mips1911: in the middle of package downloads? nah, not worth the effort
[19:46] <mips1911> pcarrier, no it was towards the end where most of the packages were installed and then it did a update to apt and had twelve packages to update
[19:46] <jtaylor> mips1911: is the download the bottleneck or the installation? the latter can be speed up ~factor 5 by preloading eatmydata
[19:46] <pcarrier> mips1911: if it's a VM, you use a caching mirror, at worth on the hypervisors... in case it happens again
[19:46] <pcarrier> mips1911: then sure
[19:47] <mips1911> pcarrier, so if I reboot with the install media ho do i continue?
[19:48] <pcarrier> mips1911: not sure of the order in which things happen. did grub install?
[19:48] <pcarrier> mips1911: already created your first user?
[19:48] <mips1911> pcarrier, no grub install but was asked particulars for user
[19:49] <pcarrier> mips1911: so mount your system in a chroot, bind mount /{proc,dev,sys}, dpkg-reconfigure grub2
[19:49] <pcarrier> mips1911: check that the user exists and is in the adm group with 'id $username'
[19:50] <pcarrier> mips1911: last 2 operations from the chroot
[19:50] <pcarrier> mips1911: oh, and that's not the right channel (topic).
[19:50] <mips1911> is it not possible to continue in rescue mode?
[19:51] <pcarrier> mips1911: if you have a complete system, a bootloader and a user to log as, the rest can be fixed from the virtual machine
[19:52] <mips1911> pcarrier, thanks will give it a bash
[19:53] <pcarrier> oooh quantal has linux-image-extras generic. now I wonder what's in there.
[19:53] <pcarrier> Q: when dput'ing into a ppa, looks like debian/changelog is used to establish which distro to build for. is there a magical way to use the same source package for multiple ones?
[19:54] <jtaylor> no
[19:54] <jtaylor> but often you can just copy packages to other series
[19:54] <pcarrier> jtaylor: ok. that'd probably feel a bit too wrong
[19:55] <pcarrier> another question :) is there a trick to build source packages without .git/? (I've used debuild -S so far which doesn't seem to offer such an option)
[19:55] <jtaylor> source format 3 should automatically ignore vcs folders
[19:55] <pcarrier> oooh, good, thanks
[19:55] <pcarrier> learning every day he he
[19:56] <pcarrier> last place I would have thought of
[20:00] <pcarrier> and maybe a last one for the road... anyone knows a way to make git rebases friendly to debian/changelog? i'm getting a bit annoyed by those conflicts
[20:01] <pcarrier> oh my, thank you google. http://raphaelhertzog.com/2009/10/08/3-way-merge-of-debian-changelog-files/
[20:02] <pcarrier> superseded by dpkg-mergechangelogs in dpkg-dev
[20:02] <jtaylor> there is a changelog merge driver for git
[20:09] <pcarrier> jtaylor: yup, just saw that. pretty awesome :)
[20:32] <cnd> I'm running into a stupid libtool error: when I run autogen, which runs gnome-autogen.sh under the covers, then make, I get:
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.4 Debian-2.4-2ubuntu1, but the
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.4.2.
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.4 Debian-2.4-2ubuntu1
[20:32] <cnd> libtool: and run autoconf again.
[20:32] <cnd> I've tried everything I can think of
[20:32] <cnd> autoreconf -vfi
[20:32] <cnd> various incantations of all the autotools scripts
[20:32] <cnd> but nothing seems to work
[20:41] <roaksoax> cjwatson: howdy! around or still on holidays?
[21:28] <BenC> Laney: haskell-cryptocipher successfully built on powerpc with the new ghc
[21:29] <Laney> yay
[21:29] <Laney> you should be able to give your way back up the stack
[21:32] <iulian> \o/
[21:32] <BenC> Laney: what's the best way to handle that so I do it in the right order?
[21:32] <Laney> I doubt you'll be able to get it wrong
[21:32] <Laney> you'll just get more failures
[21:32] <Laney> but start at the lowest level on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html and work upwards
[21:33] <Laney> they should all be give-backs; no uploading required
[21:33] <BenC> Laney: lowest being lowest number, or lowest on the page?
[21:33] <Laney> number
[21:33] <BenC> Great, thanks
[21:35] <BenC> Laney: how is a give-back done without an upload?
[21:35] <Laney> it means to retry a failed build
[21:35] <BenC> Everything I see in "X" on there is already built…not ftbfs, so I can't do retry
[21:35] <Laney> you only have to do the reverse-depends of cryptocipher
[21:35] <BenC> Does that just mean skew between the page and actual builds?
[21:35] <Laney> as those are the ones that you would have just fixed
[21:36] <Laney> so cross-check it with the other ftbfs list
[21:38] <Laney> BenC: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-cprng-aes/0.2.3-3build1/+build/3744085 is one example
[21:39] <BenC> Yeah, I realized I only need to look at things higher than cryptocipher :)
[21:42] <BenC> Laney: Ok, I have a chain of 6 packages I'm working and watching for give-backs
[21:43] <Laney> sweet
[21:43] <Laney> now I just have to look at arm
[22:02] <cjwatson> slangasek: server/splash> I believe things are meant to be arranged such that plymouth uses the "details" splash, i.e. displays boot messages in text style - if that's not happening it's definitely a bug
[22:03] <cjwatson> roaksoax: please leave a message
[22:03] <cjwatson> roaksoax: much better to say what you want directly rather than doing the ping/pong thing
[22:04] <bjf> cjwatson: the issue i spoke of the other days is bug 1046029 (just fyi)
[22:09] <roaksoax> cjwatson: ehe sorry :). Well I was just trying to try the live-installer with the squashfs image but I kept seen a failure apparently related to lack of memory
[22:09] <roaksoax> cjwatson: i will provide logs tomorrow as i'm EOD right now
[22:10] <roaksoax> cjwatson: other than that, I was wondering if you will make the server squashfs image available on archive.ubuntu.com or will it just stay inside the iso
[22:11] <cjwatson> roaksoax: Certainly not archive.ubuntu.com - it's not produced by any machinery that feeds into there
[22:11] <cjwatson> roaksoax: I'd rather just publish the ISO and let people worry about unpacking it if they have special needs, since they're going to need other bits of the ISO anyway
[23:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: right, and 'details' is the one you get by not passing 'splash' as a boot arg; so seems something's setting up the boot args wrong
[23:08] <cjwatson> Will add to the queue - what's the bug#?