[06:26] morning :) [06:29] \o [06:44] mornin' all [07:08] Morning all [07:12] morning diplo :) [07:14] * jussi prods at christel [07:15] Morning christel et all [07:21] how are yoou? [07:22] heeey jussi! :D [07:22] :D [07:28] Sorry popped out for a sec, not to bad.. dropped the boys off this morning so peace for a few days [07:28] god I need it this week, younger one started school yesterday [07:28] What a busy day! [07:29] ooh did he enjoy it? :) [07:29] yeah I think so, was defo more tired in the evening though [07:30] :) [07:30] * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to Thursday when my two go back to school. Although truth be told they have been pretty good over the holidays. [07:30] Tom the older one is in his element as they are learning about dinosaurs, wants to tell everyone about the dinosaur museum ( Natural history museum ) [07:31] heh TheOpenSourcerer, still exhausting though isn't it. [07:31] TheOpenSourcerer: your boys are so cute! like their mother! [07:31] diplo: fantastic :D [07:31] i like dinosaurs! [07:31] I (and they) just like the more settled routine [07:32] :-) Thanks christel - what about the dad though? [07:32] hehe [07:32] Doctor Who will have dinosaurs next week [07:32] ! [07:33] oh i like their dad, he is good fun and most charming! [07:33] MartijnVdS: Yessss! Dinosaurs on a spaceship! much better than snakes on a plane :D [07:33] Last weekend's episode was great too! [07:34] i loved it, it was really well done and i hope they manage to keep the standard up for the rest of the series [07:34] I really must start watching Doctor Who :) [07:35] YES [07:35] Watch the odd episode here and there but not watched a whole series yet [07:35] * TheOpenSourcerer was in Swansea at the weekend having a lovely time with a bunch of mates - golf, drinking and general boys behaving badly type stuff. [07:36] i'm fairly new to the whole dr who thing, didn't really watch any of the old old stuff, started watching when chris eccleston was the doctor :) [07:38] I've tried watching old-who, but I can't really get into it for some reason [07:38] maybe because TV was "slower" in the 60s :) [07:40] MartijnVdS: haha [07:40] TheOpenSourcerer: ooh that sounds like fun [08:01] Morning peeps :) [08:01] HELLO BIGCLAM [08:02] HELLO CHRESTIL [08:02] HOW ARE YOU? [08:02] SHOUTY. HOW ARE YOU? [08:03] WELL I AM FEELING RATHER LOUD? [08:03] :D [08:03] [08:03] morning everyone [08:03] morning mr Bell [08:03] beyond the loudness i feel GOOD and my toes are wet! [08:03] :) [08:04] morning tinkerbell <3 [08:06] Wet toes? Is that a sign of a healthy christel? [08:06] Tinkerbell? Oh how sweet ;) [08:06] or a sign of bad plumbing [08:07] It's gone 9am, I should get dressed :( [08:07] TMI! [08:08] What's wrong with a dressing gown? [08:08] that isn't a dressing gown, it is a telecommuting suit === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:10] Well you didn't mention anything like that at the start, could have been starkers! [08:11] Morning AlanBell [08:14] diplo: I shall let you imagine what you wish :D [08:16] bigcalm: haha naw, dewy grass! :P [08:17] Cool :D [08:17] How are the grumpy games going? [08:18] what are the grumpy games? [08:18] There's a grumpy games maker, I assumed he made grumpy games ;) [08:23] New neighbours next door. Where we've had different students for the last 3 years, we now have a nice young lady and her 3 year old daughter. Said daughter seems to have a tantrum every 30 mins or so [08:23] aww [08:23] Now wishing that the party wall was thicker [08:24] On go the headphones [08:24] david has recently discovered the joys of tantrums [08:24] Oh dear [08:24] yesterday we had a massive tantrum because he wasn't four years old and couldn't yet start school... [08:24] Oh my! [08:24] this morning we had a massive tantrum because he couldn't stay home to play with me instead of going to the childminders [08:24] i should have lied and told him he was going to school... [08:24] aww :P [08:24] HEh [08:25] This is really weird... Anyone got any suggestions? Type "tedial" into Google (no quotes). Click any of the resulting links for the Tedial site and you get sent to the Google Homepage! But stick www.tedial.com into your browser and it is fine... [08:26] TheOpenSourcerer: going direct to www.tedial.com takes me to google as well [08:26] TheOpenSourcerer: wow [08:26] really? [08:26] http://www.tedial.com/ [08:26] That doesn't work? [08:26] someone has hacked your dns? [08:26] ooh, it doesn't for http [08:27] https is fine [08:27] TheOpenSourcerer: yep, that goes to google for me [08:27] Going to http://237.229.15.62.static.jazztel.es/ gets me to their site [08:27] Works for me [08:28] hmm, now it works for me too [08:28] Yay redheads! [08:28] Or the same one twice [08:31] mmmredheads [08:32] popey: is there a jam in london this week ? [08:32] possibly, will send a mail out if so [08:33] not much take-up [08:34] ah ok [08:34] cheers [08:34] Could it be because there is no dns for the top-level "tedial.com" record perhaps? [08:42] bigcalm / christel - there's a forum for that, redheadded godesses ;) [08:42] *grin* [08:42] I posted on it because I was trying to remember the name of a TV show. [08:42] vroom [08:43] Good morning all! :) [08:45] anyone here use BranchOut on facebook? I got a request from a friend on there, I'm assuming it's a bit like LinkedIn. [08:45] mooorning JamesTait :) [08:46] and good morning :) [08:46] christel: Hello dear. :) How are you this fine morning? [08:48] bigcalm: christel: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19461177 [08:48] \o/ Holland [08:48] also [08:49] not Holland. Breda = Brabant :) [08:51] JamesTait: i am very well! thyself lovely? [08:52] AlanBell: fantastic [08:52] christel: I'm alive and well and adjusting to the peace and tranquility of having the boys back at school. :) [08:52] JamesTait: hehe a completely different world eh? :P [08:53] JamesTait: Having to wait until Thursday for ours :-( === Monotoko is now known as Guest87016 [08:54] christel: They're not usually *too* bad, to be honest, but I'd forgotten what it sounded like to not have them playing outside. [08:54] Which reminds me, how's the garage conversion going popey? :) [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: Hardly seems worth going back so late in the week. :-P [08:54] JamesTait, well! I took the weekend off to go camping so nothing happened this week, but last week I cleared everything [08:54] so there's nearly nothing left [08:55] my eldest has gone to secondary school today, the others go back tomorrow [08:55] ours go back next week [08:55] they've just left for the day to some farm [08:55] \o/ quiet house [08:57] new idea for a Dr who... bernie ecclestone! [08:58] popey: Ah, that's a sensible approach. I kind of didn't have much of a choice, and moved a lot of stuff into the garage when we moved house. Most of it is still here, but I'm getting through it slowly. [08:58] I just shifted stuff out for the couple of days I spent doing the work, and shifted it back in afterwards, along with a load of stuff that we'd stuff in nooks and crannies in the house. [08:58] failing that, boris johnson [08:58] yeah, I will do that with the final bits [08:59] there was just a load of junk that needed getting rid of first [09:04] popey: how was the camping? [09:04] great! [09:04] excellent [09:05] saw some of the pics but I was across the pond [09:05] speaking of ponds [09:05] did folks like the new Dr. who ? [09:05] yesssss [09:05] loved loved loved loved it [09:08] Humm [09:08] Was ok [09:08] OK? OK? [09:08] it was AWESOME [09:09] That 1st half was a little over dramatic [09:09] i started browsing the internet during the obligatory 5 mins of emotional cheese [09:09] dr who seems very cinematic nowadays [09:09] Indeed [09:09] Hope it settles down again [09:09] only when they get a new writer. seems to follow a cycle [09:10] also , the weakest point is always the bit where they solve everything and escape. sometimes it's just "SHOUT SHOUT flux capacitor reverse the neutron flow, sonic screwdriver OFF WE GO!!" [09:11] still watch it though :D [09:19] Doctus Ex Machina [09:27] * MartijnVdS can has VERY tiny OpenWRT router [09:31] :o [09:31] christel: see G+ :) [09:32] MartijnVdS: Just saw the post [09:32] Wats it do, just cable ? [09:32] diplo: wifi, ethernet, usb (also, power-in is micro-usb like RPi) [09:32] it has 4M firmware, 32M RAM [09:33] and several free GPIO pins \o/ [09:33] MartijnVdS: Who are you on G+? [09:33] TheOpenSourcerer: just added you :) [09:33] cool, unfortunately I'm on DSL now, so would mean I'd need another device in between [09:33] NM Found you :-) [09:34] ooo [09:34] That is small. [09:34] it's also only US$22 on ebay (free shipping) :) [09:34] it is a bit! very cute [09:35] I'm going to add a small tube with a temperature sensor to one side [09:35] and have it make pretty graphs of that + some network stats [09:35] the wifi (802.11n, 2.4GHz, 150 mbit max) is nice to have [09:36] Apparently, it's supposed to be a tiny Mi-Fi (USB-powered, bring your own 3G stick) [09:36] but I can't read chinese ;) [09:36] good morning everyone. [09:37] lo brobostigon [09:38] good morning TheOpenSourcerer [09:41] lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtje5weAU0&feature=youtu.be [09:44] heh [09:45] Ouch: "1,000,001 Apple Devices UDIDs linking to their users and their APNS tokens." http://pastebin.com/nfVT7b0Z [09:46] ewps [09:49] I've scanned through it, but didn't see how they came across them ? [09:52] I don't think you "come across" things like this [09:52] you "go looking" for it [09:52] Not meant like that, I mean how they obtained them [09:52] Not found anything yet [09:52] http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/04/hackers_leak_1m_ios_device_ids_supposedly_taken_from_fbi_agents_laptop.html [09:52] Closest I've found so fa [09:52] r [09:52] I think I saw that the FBI had them and accidentally let them slip out! [09:54] what use is an ios device id? [09:54] Google it, a fair bit it seems [09:54] Links to Facebook/Twitter etc so people can access stuff with faked id [09:55] The original data contained around 12m entries and a lot more personal detail. Scanning though the paste, they chopped out a lot and just left the IDs so people could see if they were included within [09:56] heheh [09:56] (mine's not in the list) [09:57] Mine neither ;-) [09:57] Of the 1million they've leaked [09:57] Another 11million+ still to go [09:57] :) [09:57] lots of ios devices [09:57] heh [10:03] Hmmm mango/pear/mint juice [10:09] Blimey - our local MP gets Secretary of State for Health - follows in Virginia's footsteps. [10:11] Amazing what a Charterhouse Schooling gets you these days. === zz_Lcawte is now known as Lcawte [10:17] Morning all [10:24] Nice - iPlayer improvements (Download and watch later - 30 days) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19474824 [10:24] Coming to Android but on iOS now [10:25] it'll still use flash on android no doubt [10:25] making it still bad. [10:32] get_iplayer \o/ [10:32] Speaking of which, I should run it for updates [10:32] Hi davmor2 [10:36] mah, I don't watch anything anymore anyway [10:37] it'd be a stupid choice to make it use Flash on Android given that you can't get Flash for Android any more if you don't already have it [10:38] I presume the BBC are not quite that thick [10:38] it probably was the cheapest way to get it developed quickly? [10:39] Codec availability (and DRM availability) is hit/miss on android :( [10:40] bigcalm: you set for Thursday? [10:40] gord: Can we expect you dude? [10:40] davmor2: so far I am [10:41] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [10:41] mrevell is a dad again so I guess he'll be missing it [10:41] czajkowski: how's the back now? [10:42] it has a patch on it [10:42] so good [10:42] czajkowski: in that case prod morning :D [10:43] anyone know how to export a chart from libreoffice? [10:43] Time to head off to London. ttfn [10:44] mungojerry: to what? [10:44] davmor2, to jpeg [10:46] mungojerry: you can do it the real quick and easy way.......shift+prtscn select the chart, but failing that I think there is a export option so I guess you just select it and export but I could be wrong? [10:46] thanks, i've done it, but it was ugly. copy pasted to LO Draw [10:46] export was grey [10:47] draw allows the subseequent export [10:49] I must say, these apple keyboards are pretty good [10:49] good for typing fast on anyway [10:49] quite weird using macs, my new job has an office full of them [10:50] I can't say I can see any advantage in using mac os x over ubuntu or something like that though [11:12] * daubers dislikes apple keyboards [11:12] especially the short ones [11:12] missing useful keys like # is annoying [11:26] yeah, the missing # key is odd [11:26] it's hidden under alt+3 [11:27] I'm using a mac keyboard with an ubuntu vm, and I just have the keyboard layout set to regular uk layout [11:27] cos I can touch type, it doesn't bother me that the keys are labelled wrongly [11:30] me neither [11:30] do they not make uk layout keyboard then? [11:32] that *is* the Mac UK-layout keyboard [11:32] number 2 is @ symbol [11:32] is that us layout? [11:32] I can't remember [11:33] I'm not sure [11:33] It's the US layout for a PC but UK layout for a Mac [11:33] I really don't mind keyboard layout changes, I get frustrated for about two keystrokes, and then my fingers remember what they're supposed to be doing [11:33] it's US layout for a Mac as well [11:34] I occasionally use a Mac keyboard on my Thinkpad [11:34] that gets somewhat confusing [11:41] I'm seriously pondering dualbooting this mac with ubuntu, seeing everything I do at this job is done through either terminal or through a web browser [11:45] Hello chaps. I'm getting the smurfovision problem on flash (where skin tones are blue, and blue is orange). I've corrected this in the past by disabling hardware acceleration, but now I can't even click on that once I've brought it up, it just does not work. [11:46] well I've been living in aus for 4 years [11:46] it's us keyboard there [11:46] so it's easier for me to use a US layout [11:46] and after ten or so minutes of playback the video just out and out crashes. [11:50] dick probably bug 968647 [11:50] Launchpad bug 967091 in adobe-flashplugin (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #968647 Wrong tint in flash when it uses video acceleration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967091 [12:11] davmor2, nope, too much going on and too much travelling coming up, all next week i'm in and out of the london office :( [12:11] gord: :( [12:12] week after that i'm flying off to south korea for two weeks holiday though \o/ [12:12] ooooooooooohhhhhhhh irc via nexus 7 [12:13] \o/ [12:17] With grub 1.x, when setting the default, anyone know what defines an 'entry'? I've a few possible entries that're just a title and an empty root, do those count? [12:17] they're used to just display a message (it's a Debian install that's just had Grub2 installed, and so it's an explanation that this is chainloading grub2 and might be broken) [12:19] Ah! They are counted, accorting to the ubuntu wiki no less [12:21] daubers: Thoughts on it, very tempted at the mo! [12:27] brb [12:29] hi all, I'm using gnome-keyring to prompt me for the passphrase of my private SSH key when I use it to login to remote servers etc - is there a way to get it to 'forget' after so long (and therefore ask me for my passphrase again)? [12:29] I wouldn't mind if it was after a period of time, or when my screen gets locked or something else similar [12:30] marsilainen: in the dialog where you type it, there's a thing that opens if you click it [12:30] it asks how long to remember it for [12:30] ah [12:31] hmm, what if I've already got past that point? do I have to log out again? [12:31] or can I kill the agent or something? [12:31] there's a tool [12:31] let me find the name [12:33] thanks [12:34] I thought seahorse would do it [12:34] but it doesn't seem to have those features anymore [12:34] hmm [12:35] logging out would be the easiest :| [12:35] bug 1045779 [12:35] Launchpad bug 1045779 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "virtualbox video driver doesn't load on quantal guests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045779 [12:35] * popey tickles gord [12:36] MartijnVdS: ok, brb [12:36] mgdm: ah wait! [12:36] mgdm: the password is a separate entry in the list in Seahorse [12:36] it lists the SSH key, and then the unlock key for it, separately [12:37] if you remove that, it should re-ask, I guess [12:39] MartijnVdS: the only option it gives is "Automatically unlock this key when I'm logged in" :/ [12:39] which I leave un-checked [12:39] which Ubuntu version are you using? [12:40] but I'd like it to 'lock' the key again at some point before I log out since I leave my machine on for long periods [12:40] 12.04 [12:40] there's ssh-add -D [12:40] and ssh-add -X/-x [12:41] hmmm [12:42] so if I use ssh-add -D (somehow automatically whenever I lock my screen) then I will get automatically prompted for passphrase next time I try to use it? [12:42] yes [12:42] you can try it manually now of course [12:42] yeah, just tried that [12:42] that would seem to work [12:43] and triggering on screen-lock should be possible.. it sends out dbus events you can catch (for instance) [12:43] anyone got any idea of the easiest way to hook that into screen lock? [12:43] ah, ok [12:43] will look into that [12:43] thanks [12:43] appreciate the help [12:52] popey, clickied [12:53] ta === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [13:06] silly expensive trains to london :( [13:10] irssi_proxy enabled muhahahahahahaahhaah well a little bit maybe [13:12] new series of red dwarf coming next month..bit scared :S [13:17] MartijnVdS, what's the tl-wr703n? [13:23] yeah well imo red dwarf gets worse and worse [13:23] they keep coming back [13:32] Anyone know if FreakyClown idles on irc at all ? [13:33] Unless anyone here is any good at stegonography ? [13:33] diplo: what does /whois FreakyClown tell you? [13:33] I've never found stegonography very interesting [13:34] I find hiding images in music more interesting [13:34] :) [13:34] * popey tickles christel with a server [13:35] bigcalm: Someone stateside [13:35] oh yes! i had forgotten about that [13:35] diplo: not him then? Ok [13:35] I only find it interest in that it's a challenge on a security thing [13:35] I dont *think* so [13:36] I think he may be _freaky on here but wasn't sure [13:36] today/tomorrow are Bad Days for me (deadline ahoy and i am way behind) -- i might be able to pick it up thursday (or at the weekend if that works for you?) :) [13:36] No worries, I've caught him here once before i think that's all [13:36] will message on twitter maybe [13:39] diplo, stegui? [13:40] christel, tricky [13:40] http://nnc3.com/LinuxMag/Magazine/Archive/2010/112/020-024_steganography/article.html [13:40] Trying steghide atm mungojerry, will look at stegui now ta [13:40] I think it'd be pretty cool to hide messages in the mpeg artifacts of an mp3 [13:43] ah it uses steghide anyway mungojerry, so I think i know how to use it.. just not getting far, will read that page and see if i can learn more though [13:43] cheers [13:43] popey: when would be good for you? :) [13:45] diplo: Nexus is quite cool :) Waiting for the "OOooooooh shiny" effect to wear out tbh... [13:45] christel, i could drop it off to someone nearer of course [13:45] or i could take it to the tip [13:45] :) [13:47] hehe then the boys would cry i am sure, i'm not sure who lives out your way but some of them must do :) [13:50] someone here has a nexus 7 [13:50] I ought to ask if I can have a look [13:50] gotta say though, I was quite impressed by ipad 3 screen [13:51] not that'd I'd buy one [13:52] The ipad3 is pretty much better than the nexus in all departments [13:52] Well I'll give you a week or so daubers and ask again [13:52] I can't afford the ipad3 dogmatic69 :) [13:53] diplo: Probably best. I bought mine for some very specific functions.... and need to write the apps for 2 of those so a week is a good idea :) [13:53] The bang:buck ratio of the Nexus 7 is very agreeable [13:54] Plus it's a handy size [13:54] and is nice and light. sturdy, as it survives my drum stick bag. [13:56] * popey wonders what to do with his drobo [13:57] looks like ebay [13:57] BURN IT! [13:57] * daubers books himself back into Pyros anonymouse [13:58] * popey takes pics of it [14:00] brobostigon: You already have one ? [14:00] heh [14:00] I remember when you got your drobo [14:00] first one anyway [14:00] then the controller broke [14:00] :p [14:00] diplo: a nexus7, yes. [14:04] And your thoughts overall, worth the buy ? [14:04] Want it as a replacement in a way for kids using my laptop :) as well as fo rme not having to use lappy for quick checks on things. [14:05] And lastly for train trips to Nottingham to watch stuff on [14:06] diplo: well, suitability for kids i couldnt say, really. but i watched last night, stuff off i iplayer, in HD, and it was beautiful. [14:08] diplo: the one problem i have found, it doesnt show as a normal mountable device, only mtp, so am using airdroid. [14:08] that annoys me. [14:11] OK, doesn't sounds the end of the world but not great [14:12] diplo: i am sure there is a solution, the usb is capable of otg, so it should be possible, i have mine rooted, so i will experiment with various possibiilities. [14:13] brobostigon: It's more because the internal storage is now part of the other bit of storage, so to make it a mass storage device you have to unmount that and then make it USB mass storage [14:13] However, the MTP thing works fine for me....... so might be me being non-plussed about it [14:13] daubers: ah, i see what you mean, makes sense. [14:14] brobostigon: If you've rooted it, then just install a samba server or something and do it across the network. I don't intend to root minee [14:14] brobostigon, what made you root a n7? [14:14] daubers: interesting idea. [14:14] doesn't that break stuff? [14:15] popey: it has broke nothing, that i can see. i did it out of curiousity. [14:15] i think it breaks the ability to rent films from the play store? [14:15] yup [14:15] and maybe other digital content [14:15] popey: books seem to work. [14:16] probably just movies then [14:16] i have no interest in the movies, so probably why i didnt notice. [14:16] i see bbc are doing iplayer downloads now [14:17] They are? [14:17] via their app, yes. [14:19] yeah, you can download and keep for 30 days [14:19] for people who want to download stuff and watch offline, e.g. on holiday [14:19] their desktop app, for windows did this already, if i remember. [14:20] couldn't they just make the shows available for 30 days instead of a week instead? [14:21] no good for offline, no gord [14:21] some stuff is available longer than a week [14:21]