[06:26] <christel> morning :)
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:44] <Monotoko> mornin' all
[07:08] <diplo>  Morning all
[07:12] <christel> morning diplo :)
[07:14]  * jussi prods at christel
[07:15] <diplo> Morning christel et all
[07:21] <christel> how are yoou?
[07:22] <christel> heeey jussi! :D
[07:22] <jussi> :D
[07:28] <diplo> Sorry popped out for a sec, not to bad.. dropped the boys off this morning so peace for a few days
[07:28] <diplo> god I need it this week, younger one started school yesterday
[07:28] <diplo> What a busy day!
[07:29] <christel> ooh did he enjoy it? :)
[07:29] <diplo> yeah I think so, was defo more tired in the evening though
[07:30] <christel> :)
[07:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to Thursday when my two go back to school. Although truth be told they have been pretty good over the holidays.
[07:30] <diplo> Tom the older one is in his element as they are learning about dinosaurs, wants to tell everyone about the dinosaur museum ( Natural history museum )
[07:31] <diplo> heh TheOpenSourcerer, still exhausting though isn't it.
[07:31] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: your boys are so cute! like their mother!
[07:31] <christel> diplo: fantastic :D
[07:31] <christel> i like dinosaurs!
[07:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> I (and they) just like the more settled routine
[07:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-) Thanks christel - what about the dad though?
[07:32] <christel> hehe
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who will have dinosaurs next week
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> !
[07:33] <christel> oh i like their dad, he is good fun and most charming!
[07:33] <christel> MartijnVdS: Yessss! Dinosaurs on a spaceship! much better than snakes on a plane :D
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> Last weekend's episode was great too!
[07:34] <christel> i loved it, it was really well done and i hope they manage to keep the standard up for the rest of the series
[07:34] <diplo> I really must start watching Doctor Who :)
[07:35] <christel> YES
[07:35] <diplo> Watch the odd episode here and there but not watched a whole series yet
[07:35]  * TheOpenSourcerer was in Swansea at the weekend having a lovely time with a bunch of mates - golf, drinking and general boys behaving badly type stuff.
[07:36] <christel> i'm fairly new to the whole dr who thing, didn't really watch any of the old old stuff, started watching when chris eccleston was the doctor :)
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> I've tried watching old-who, but I can't really get into it for some reason
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> maybe because TV was "slower" in the 60s :)
[07:40] <christel> MartijnVdS: haha
[07:40] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: ooh that sounds like fun
[08:01] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:01] <christel> HELLO BIGCLAM
[08:02] <bigcalm> HELLO CHRESTIL
[08:02] <christel> HOW ARE YOU?
[08:02] <bigcalm> SHOUTY. HOW ARE YOU?
[08:03] <christel> WELL I AM FEELING RATHER LOUD?
[08:03] <christel> :D
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> </capslock day>
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning everyone
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> morning mr Bell
[08:03] <christel> beyond the loudness i feel GOOD and my toes are wet!
[08:03] <christel> :)
[08:04] <christel> morning tinkerbell <3
[08:06] <bigcalm> Wet toes? Is that a sign of a healthy christel?
[08:06] <bigcalm> Tinkerbell? Oh how sweet ;)
[08:06] <AlanBell> or a sign of bad plumbing
[08:07] <bigcalm> It's gone 9am, I should get dressed :(
[08:07] <diplo> TMI!
[08:08] <bigcalm> What's wrong with a dressing gown?
[08:08] <AlanBell> that isn't a dressing gown, it is a telecommuting suit
[08:10] <diplo> Well you didn't mention anything like that at the start, could have been starkers!
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[08:14] <bigcalm> diplo: I shall let you imagine what you wish :D
[08:16] <christel> bigcalm: haha naw, dewy grass! :P
[08:17] <bigcalm> Cool :D
[08:17] <bigcalm> How are the grumpy games going?
[08:18] <christel> what are the grumpy games?
[08:18] <bigcalm> There's a grumpy games maker, I assumed he made grumpy games ;)
[08:23] <bigcalm> New neighbours next door. Where we've had different students for the last 3 years, we now have a nice young lady and her 3 year old daughter. Said daughter seems to have a tantrum every 30 mins or so
[08:23] <christel> aww
[08:23] <bigcalm> Now wishing that the party wall was thicker
[08:24] <bigcalm> On go the headphones
[08:24] <christel> david has recently discovered the joys of tantrums
[08:24] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[08:24] <christel> yesterday we had a massive tantrum because he wasn't four years old and couldn't yet start school...
[08:24] <bigcalm> Oh my!
[08:24] <christel> this morning we had a massive tantrum because he couldn't stay home to play with me instead of going to the childminders
[08:24] <christel> i should have lied and told him he was going to school...
[08:24] <jussi> aww :P
[08:24] <bigcalm> HEh
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is really weird... Anyone got any suggestions? Type "tedial" into Google (no quotes). Click any of the resulting links for the Tedial site and you get sent to the Google Homepage! But stick www.tedial.com into your browser and it is fine...
[08:26] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: going direct to www.tedial.com takes me to google as well
[08:26] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: wow
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> really?
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.tedial.com/
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> That doesn't work?
[08:26] <jussi> someone has hacked your dns?
[08:26] <AlanBell> ooh, it doesn't for http
[08:27] <AlanBell> https is fine
[08:27] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: yep, that goes to google for me
[08:27] <bigcalm> Going to http://237.229.15.62.static.jazztel.es/ gets me to their site
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Works for me
[08:28] <AlanBell> hmm, now it works for me too
[08:28] <bigcalm> Yay redheads!
[08:28] <bigcalm> Or the same one twice
[08:31] <christel> mmmredheads
[08:32] <czajkowski> popey: is there a jam in london this week ?
[08:32] <popey> possibly, will send a mail out if so
[08:33] <popey> not much take-up
[08:34] <czajkowski> ah ok
[08:34] <czajkowski> cheers
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Could it be because there is no dns for the top-level "tedial.com" record perhaps?
[08:42] <dwatkins> bigcalm / christel - there's a forum for that, redheadded godesses ;)
[08:42] <christel> *grin*
[08:42] <dwatkins> I posted on it because I was trying to remember the name of a TV show.
[08:42] <Seeker`> vroom
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:45] <dwatkins> anyone here use BranchOut on facebook? I got a request from a friend on there, I'm assuming it's a bit like LinkedIn.
[08:45] <christel> mooorning JamesTait :)
[08:46] <dwatkins> and good morning :)
[08:46] <JamesTait> christel: Hello dear. :) How are you this fine morning?
[08:48] <AlanBell> bigcalm: christel: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19461177
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Holland
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> also
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> not Holland. Breda = Brabant :)
[08:51] <christel> JamesTait: i am very well! thyself lovely?
[08:52] <christel> AlanBell: fantastic
[08:52] <JamesTait> christel: I'm alive and well and adjusting to the peace and tranquility of having the boys back at school. :)
[08:52] <christel> JamesTait: hehe a completely different world eh? :P
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: Having to wait until Thursday for ours :-(
[08:54] <JamesTait> christel: They're not usually *too* bad, to be honest, but I'd forgotten what it sounded like to not have them playing outside.
[08:54] <JamesTait> Which reminds me, how's the garage conversion going popey? :)
[08:54] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: Hardly seems worth going back so late in the week. :-P
[08:54] <popey> JamesTait, well! I took the weekend off to go camping so nothing happened this week, but last week I cleared everything
[08:54] <popey> so there's nearly nothing left
[08:55] <AlanBell> my eldest has gone to secondary school today, the others go back tomorrow
[08:55] <popey> ours go back next week
[08:55] <popey> they've just left for the day to some farm
[08:55] <popey> \o/ quiet house
[08:57] <mungojerry> new idea for a Dr who... bernie ecclestone!
[08:58] <JamesTait> popey: Ah, that's a sensible approach. I kind of didn't have much of a choice, and moved a lot of stuff into the garage when we moved house. Most of it is still here, but I'm getting through it slowly.
[08:58] <JamesTait> I just shifted stuff out for the couple of days I spent doing the work, and shifted it back in afterwards, along with a load of stuff that we'd stuff in nooks and crannies in the house.
[08:58] <mungojerry> failing that, boris johnson
[08:58] <popey> yeah, I will do that with the final bits
[08:59] <popey> there was just a load of junk that needed getting rid of first
[09:04] <czajkowski> popey: how was the camping?
[09:04] <popey> great!
[09:04] <czajkowski> excellent
[09:05] <czajkowski> saw some of the pics but I was across the pond
[09:05] <czajkowski> speaking of ponds
[09:05] <czajkowski> did folks like the new Dr. who ?
[09:05] <christel> yesssss
[09:05] <christel> loved loved loved loved it
[09:08] <bigcalm> Humm
[09:08] <bigcalm> Was ok
[09:08] <christel> OK? OK?
[09:08] <christel> it was AWESOME
[09:09] <bigcalm> That 1st half was a little over dramatic
[09:09] <mungojerry> i started browsing the internet during the obligatory 5 mins of emotional cheese
[09:09] <mungojerry> dr who seems very cinematic nowadays
[09:09] <bigcalm> Indeed
[09:09] <bigcalm> Hope it settles down again
[09:09] <mungojerry> only when they get a new writer. seems to follow a cycle
[09:10] <mungojerry> also , the weakest point is always the bit where they solve everything and escape. sometimes it's just "SHOUT SHOUT flux capacitor reverse the neutron flow, sonic screwdriver OFF WE GO!!"
[09:11] <mungojerry> still watch it though :D
[09:19] <dwatkins> Doctus Ex Machina
[09:27]  * MartijnVdS can has VERY tiny OpenWRT router
[09:31] <christel> :o
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> christel: see G+ :)
[09:32] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Just saw the post
[09:32] <diplo> Wats it do, just cable ?
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> diplo: wifi, ethernet, usb (also, power-in is micro-usb like RPi)
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> it has 4M firmware, 32M RAM
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> and several free GPIO pins \o/
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Who are you on G+?
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: just added you :)
[09:33] <diplo> cool, unfortunately I'm on DSL now, so would mean I'd need another device in between
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> NM Found you :-)
[09:34] <christel> ooo
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is small.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> it's also only US$22 on ebay (free shipping) :)
[09:34] <christel> it is a bit! very cute
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to add a small tube with a temperature sensor to one side
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> and have it make pretty graphs of that + some network stats
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> the wifi (802.11n, 2.4GHz, 150 mbit max) is nice to have
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> Apparently, it's supposed to be a tiny Mi-Fi (USB-powered, bring your own 3G stick)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> but I can't read chinese ;)
[09:36] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo brobostigon
[09:38] <brobostigon> good morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtje5weAU0&feature=youtu.be
[09:44] <diplo> heh
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ouch: "1,000,001 Apple Devices UDIDs linking to their users and their APNS tokens." http://pastebin.com/nfVT7b0Z
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> ewps
[09:49] <diplo> I've scanned through it, but didn't see how they came across them ?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> I don't think you "come across" things like this
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> you "go looking" for it
[09:52] <diplo> Not meant like that, I mean how they obtained them
[09:52] <diplo> Not found anything yet
[09:52] <diplo> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/04/hackers_leak_1m_ios_device_ids_supposedly_taken_from_fbi_agents_laptop.html
[09:52] <diplo> Closest I've found so fa
[09:52] <diplo> r
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think I saw that the FBI had them and accidentally let them slip out!
[09:54] <JohnRobert> what use is an ios device id?
[09:54] <diplo> Google it, a fair bit it seems
[09:54] <diplo> Links to Facebook/Twitter etc so people can access stuff with faked id
[09:55] <bigcalm> The original data contained around 12m entries and a lot more personal detail. Scanning though the paste, they chopped out a lot and just left the IDs so people could see if they were included within
[09:56] <popey> heheh
[09:56] <popey> (mine's not in the list)
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mine neither ;-)
[09:57] <diplo> Of the 1million they've leaked
[09:57] <diplo> Another 11million+ still to go
[09:57] <diplo> :)
[09:57] <JohnRobert> lots of ios devices
[09:57] <popey> heh
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> Hmmm mango/pear/mint juice
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - our local MP gets Secretary of State for Health - follows in Virginia's footsteps.
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Amazing what a Charterhouse Schooling gets you these days.
[10:17] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice - iPlayer improvements (Download and watch later - 30 days) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19474824
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Coming to Android but on iOS now
[10:25] <JohnRobert> it'll still use flash on android no doubt
[10:25] <JohnRobert> making it still bad.
[10:32] <bigcalm> get_iplayer \o/
[10:32] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, I should run it for updates
[10:32] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:36] <JohnRobert> mah, I don't watch anything anymore anyway
[10:37] <mgdm> it'd be a stupid choice to make it use Flash on Android given that you can't get Flash for Android any more if you don't already have it
[10:38] <mgdm> I presume the BBC are not quite that thick
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> it probably was the cheapest way to get it developed quickly?
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> Codec availability (and DRM availability) is hit/miss on android :(
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: you set for Thursday?
[10:40] <davmor2> gord: Can we expect you dude?
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: so far I am
[10:41]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[10:41] <davmor2> mrevell is a dad again so I guess he'll be missing it
[10:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's the back now?
[10:42] <czajkowski> it has a patch on it
[10:42] <czajkowski> so good
[10:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: in that case prod morning :D
[10:43] <mungojerry> anyone know how to export a chart from libreoffice?
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time to head off to London. ttfn
[10:44] <davmor2> mungojerry: to what?
[10:44] <mungojerry> davmor2, to jpeg
[10:46] <davmor2> mungojerry: you can do it the real quick and easy way.......shift+prtscn select the chart,  but failing that I think there is a export option so I guess you just select it and export but I could be wrong?
[10:46] <mungojerry> thanks, i've done it, but it was ugly. copy pasted to LO Draw
[10:46] <mungojerry> export was grey
[10:47] <mungojerry> draw allows the subseequent export
[10:49] <JohnRobert> I must say, these apple keyboards are pretty good
[10:49] <JohnRobert> good for typing fast on anyway
[10:49] <JohnRobert> quite weird using macs, my new job has an office full of them
[10:50] <JohnRobert> I can't say I can see any advantage in using mac os x over ubuntu or something like that though
[11:12]  * daubers dislikes apple keyboards
[11:12] <daubers> especially the short ones
[11:12] <daubers> missing useful keys like # is annoying
[11:26] <JohnRobert> yeah, the missing # key is odd
[11:26] <SuperMatt> it's hidden under alt+3
[11:27] <SuperMatt> I'm using a mac keyboard with an ubuntu vm, and I just have the keyboard layout set to regular uk layout
[11:27] <SuperMatt> cos I can touch type, it doesn't bother me that the keys are labelled wrongly
[11:30] <JohnRobert> me neither
[11:30] <mungojerry> do they not make uk layout keyboard then?
[11:32] <mgdm> that *is* the Mac UK-layout keyboard
[11:32] <JohnRobert> number 2 is @ symbol
[11:32] <JohnRobert> is that us layout?
[11:32] <JohnRobert> I can't remember
[11:33] <SuperMatt> I'm not sure
[11:33] <mgdm> It's the US layout for a PC but UK layout for a Mac
[11:33] <SuperMatt> I really don't mind keyboard layout changes, I get frustrated for about two keystrokes, and then my fingers remember what they're supposed to be doing
[11:33] <Pendulum> it's US layout for a Mac as well
[11:34] <mgdm> I occasionally use a Mac keyboard on my Thinkpad
[11:34] <mgdm> that gets somewhat confusing
[11:41] <SuperMatt> I'm seriously pondering dualbooting this mac with ubuntu, seeing everything I do at this job is done through either terminal or through a web browser
[11:45] <dick> Hello chaps. I'm getting the smurfovision problem on flash (where skin tones are blue, and blue is orange). I've corrected this in the past by disabling hardware acceleration, but now I can't even click on that once I've brought it up, it just does not work.
[11:46] <JohnRobert> well I've been living in aus for 4 years
[11:46] <JohnRobert> it's us keyboard there
[11:46] <JohnRobert> so it's easier for me to use a US layout
[11:46] <dick> and after ten or so minutes of playback the video just out and out crashes.
[11:50] <popey> dick probably bug 968647
[12:11] <gord> davmor2, nope, too much going on and too much travelling coming up, all next week i'm in and out of the london office :(
[12:11] <davmor2> gord: :(
[12:12] <gord> week after that i'm flying off to south korea for two weeks holiday though \o/
[12:12] <daubers> ooooooooooohhhhhhhh irc via nexus 7
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:17] <BigRedS> With grub 1.x, when setting the default, anyone know what defines an 'entry'? I've a few possible entries that're just a title and an empty root, do those count?
[12:17] <BigRedS> they're used to just display a message (it's a Debian install that's just had Grub2 installed, and so it's an explanation that this is chainloading grub2 and might be broken)
[12:19] <BigRedS> Ah! They are counted, accorting to the ubuntu wiki no less
[12:21] <diplo> daubers: Thoughts on it, very tempted at the mo!
[12:27] <diplo> brb
[12:29] <marsilainen> hi all, I'm using gnome-keyring to prompt me for the passphrase of my private SSH key when I use it to login to remote servers etc - is there a way to get it to 'forget' after so long (and therefore ask me for my passphrase again)?
[12:29] <marsilainen> I wouldn't mind if it was after a period of time, or when my screen gets locked or something else similar
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: in the dialog where you type it, there's a thing that opens if you click it
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> it asks how long to remember it for
[12:30] <marsilainen> ah
[12:31] <marsilainen> hmm, what if I've already got past that point? do I have to log out again?
[12:31] <marsilainen> or can I kill the agent or something?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> there's a tool
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> let me find the name
[12:33] <marsilainen> thanks
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> I thought seahorse would do it
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> but it doesn't seem to have those features anymore
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> logging out would be the easiest :|
[12:35] <popey> bug 1045779
[12:35]  * popey tickles gord 
[12:36] <marsilainen> MartijnVdS: ok, brb
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: ah wait!
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: the password is a separate entry in the list in Seahorse
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> it lists the SSH key, and then the unlock key for it, separately
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> if you remove that, it should re-ask, I guess
[12:39] <marsilainen> MartijnVdS: the only option it gives is "Automatically unlock this key when I'm logged in" :/
[12:39] <marsilainen> which I leave un-checked
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> which Ubuntu version are you using?
[12:40] <marsilainen> but I'd like it to 'lock' the key again at some point before I log out since I leave my machine on for long periods
[12:40] <marsilainen> 12.04
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> there's ssh-add -D
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> and ssh-add -X/-x
[12:41] <marsilainen> hmmm
[12:42] <marsilainen> so if I use ssh-add -D (somehow automatically whenever I lock my screen) then I will get automatically prompted for passphrase next time I try to use it?
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> you can try it manually now of course
[12:42] <marsilainen> yeah, just tried that
[12:42] <marsilainen> that would seem to work
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> and triggering on screen-lock should be possible.. it sends out dbus events you can catch (for instance)
[12:43] <marsilainen> anyone got any idea of the easiest way to hook that into screen lock?
[12:43] <marsilainen> ah, ok
[12:43] <marsilainen> will look into that
[12:43] <marsilainen> thanks
[12:43] <marsilainen> appreciate the help
[12:52] <gord> popey, clickied
[12:53] <popey> ta
[13:06] <Laney> silly expensive trains to london :(
[13:10] <davmor2> irssi_proxy enabled muhahahahahahaahhaah well a little bit maybe
[13:12] <mungojerry> new series of red dwarf coming next month..bit scared :S
[13:17] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, what's the tl-wr703n?
[13:23] <JohnRobert> yeah well imo red dwarf gets worse and worse
[13:23] <JohnRobert> they keep coming back
[13:32] <diplo> Anyone know if FreakyClown idles on irc at all ?
[13:33] <diplo> Unless anyone here is any good at stegonography ?
[13:33] <bigcalm> diplo: what does /whois FreakyClown tell you?
[13:33] <JohnRobert> I've never found stegonography very interesting
[13:34] <JohnRobert> I find hiding images in music more interesting
[13:34] <JohnRobert> :)
[13:34]  * popey tickles christel with a server
[13:35] <diplo> bigcalm: Someone stateside
[13:35] <christel> oh yes! i had forgotten about that
[13:35] <bigcalm> diplo: not him then? Ok
[13:35] <diplo> I only find it interest in that it's a challenge on a security thing
[13:35] <diplo> I dont *think* so
[13:36] <diplo> I think he may be _freaky on here but wasn't sure
[13:36] <christel> today/tomorrow are Bad Days for me (deadline ahoy and i am way behind) -- i might be able to pick it up thursday (or at the weekend if that works for you?) :)
[13:36] <diplo> No worries, I've caught him here once before i think that's all
[13:36] <diplo> will message on twitter maybe
[13:39] <mungojerry> diplo, stegui?
[13:40] <popey> christel, tricky
[13:40] <mungojerry> http://nnc3.com/LinuxMag/Magazine/Archive/2010/112/020-024_steganography/article.html
[13:40] <diplo> Trying steghide atm mungojerry, will look at stegui now ta
[13:40] <JohnRobert> I think it'd be pretty cool to hide messages in the mpeg artifacts of an mp3
[13:43] <diplo> ah it uses steghide anyway mungojerry, so I think i know how to use it.. just not getting far, will read that page and see if i can learn more though
[13:43] <diplo> cheers
[13:43] <christel> popey: when would be good for you? :)
[13:45] <daubers> diplo: Nexus is quite cool :) Waiting for the "OOooooooh shiny" effect to wear out tbh...
[13:45] <popey> christel, i could drop it off to someone nearer of course
[13:45] <popey> or i could take it to the tip
[13:45] <popey> :)
[13:47] <christel> hehe then the boys would cry i am sure, i'm not sure who lives out your way but some of them must do :)
[13:50] <JohnRobert> someone here has a nexus 7
[13:50] <JohnRobert> I ought to ask if I can have a look
[13:50] <JohnRobert> gotta say though, I was quite impressed by ipad 3 screen
[13:51] <JohnRobert> not that'd I'd buy one
[13:52] <dogmatic69> The ipad3 is pretty much better than the nexus in all departments
[13:52] <diplo> Well I'll give you a week or so daubers and ask again
[13:52] <diplo> I can't afford the ipad3 dogmatic69 :)
[13:53] <daubers> diplo: Probably best. I bought mine for some very specific functions.... and need to write the apps for 2 of those so a week is a good idea :)
[13:53] <marxjohnson> The bang:buck ratio of the Nexus 7 is very agreeable
[13:54] <marxjohnson> Plus it's a handy size
[13:54] <brobostigon> and is nice and light. sturdy, as it survives my drum stick bag.
[13:56]  * popey wonders what to do with his drobo
[13:57] <popey> looks like ebay
[13:57] <daubers> BURN IT!
[13:57]  * daubers books himself back into Pyros anonymouse
[13:58]  * popey takes pics of it
[14:00] <diplo> brobostigon: You already have one ?
[14:00] <JohnRobert> heh
[14:00] <JohnRobert> I remember when you got your drobo
[14:00] <JohnRobert> first one anyway
[14:00] <JohnRobert> then the controller broke
[14:00] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:00] <brobostigon> diplo: a nexus7, yes.
[14:04] <diplo> And your thoughts overall, worth the buy ?
[14:04] <diplo> Want it as a replacement in a way for kids using my laptop :) as well as fo rme not having to use lappy for quick checks on things.
[14:05] <diplo> And lastly for train trips to Nottingham to watch stuff on
[14:06] <brobostigon> diplo: well, suitability for kids i couldnt say, really. but i watched last night, stuff off i iplayer, in HD, and it was beautiful.
[14:08] <brobostigon> diplo: the one problem i have found, it doesnt show as a normal mountable device, only mtp, so am using airdroid.
[14:08] <brobostigon> that annoys me.
[14:11] <diplo> OK, doesn't sounds the end of the world but not great
[14:12] <brobostigon> diplo: i am sure there is a solution, the usb is capable of otg, so it should be possible, i have mine rooted, so i will experiment with various possibiilities.
[14:13] <daubers> brobostigon: It's more because the internal storage is now part of the other bit of storage, so to make it a mass storage device you have to unmount that and then make it USB mass storage
[14:13] <daubers> However, the MTP thing works fine for me....... so might be me being non-plussed about it
[14:13] <brobostigon> daubers: ah, i see what you mean, makes sense.
[14:14] <daubers> brobostigon: If you've rooted it, then just install a samba server or something and do it across the network. I don't intend to root minee
[14:14] <popey> brobostigon, what made you root a n7?
[14:14] <brobostigon> daubers: interesting idea.
[14:14] <popey> doesn't that break stuff?
[14:15] <brobostigon> popey: it has broke nothing, that i can see. i did it out of curiousity.
[14:15] <popey> i think it breaks the ability to rent films from the play store?
[14:15] <daubers> yup
[14:15] <popey> and maybe other digital content
[14:15] <brobostigon> popey: books seem to work.
[14:16] <popey> probably just movies then
[14:16] <brobostigon> i have no interest in the movies, so probably why i didnt notice.
[14:16] <popey> i see bbc are doing iplayer downloads now
[14:17] <daubers> They are?
[14:17] <brobostigon> via their app, yes.
[14:19] <popey> yeah, you can download and keep for 30 days
[14:19] <popey> for people who want to download stuff and watch offline, e.g. on holiday
[14:19] <brobostigon> their desktop app, for windows did this already, if i remember.
[14:20] <gord> couldn't they just make the shows available for 30 days instead of a week instead?
[14:21] <popey> no good for offline, no gord
[14:21] <popey> some stuff is available longer than a week
[14:21] <popey> especially dramas where you may want to go back and catch up
[14:21] <gord> oh right you mean you want to watch the shows on holiday, i get you
[14:30] <davmor2_> davmor2: ping
[14:32] <JohnRobert> pong
[14:41] <AlanBell> hmm mozspace is shut
[14:42] <AlanBell> need to find somewhere with wifi, relatively quiet
[14:42] <AlanBell> in central London
[14:44] <davmor2> AlanBell: Library?
[14:44] <christel> AlanBell: czajkowski's house!
[14:45] <czajkowski> eh?
[14:45] <christel> hehe
[14:45] <christel> well, that is where i would go because you are my most favouritest person in london!
[14:45] <christel> :P
[14:47] <davmor2> christel: I'm sorry the correct answer was the Whole Widest World not London, you fail as a kiss up ;)
[14:48] <gord> AlanBell, invest in a pair of noise cancelling headphones?
[14:48] <christel> davmor2: ah see, i was stating a fact not attempting to kiss up
[14:48] <christel> i don't have to, we're like BFFs forever(!?)
[14:48] <davmor2> christel: :P
[14:50] <AlanBell> fun fact, you can pick up the mozilla guest network from the starbucks next door
[14:51] <AlanBell> gord: funnily enough I got some earlier today
[14:51] <gord> i love mine, should invest in some upgraded ones that work even better
[14:53] <davmor2> gord: Bose are amongst the best in if that helps
[14:54] <AlanBell> yup, this works well, I don't need to go round to czajkowski's house
[14:54] <christel> hehe
[14:55] <czajkowski> why are you at mozilla?
[14:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm gonna guess cause he is in London and needed a network
[14:57] <AlanBell> basically, yes
[14:57] <AlanBell> had a skype call scheduled and the mozspace is awesome (but closed)
[14:58] <czajkowski> ahh
[14:58] <AlanBell> I have cheap noise cancelling headphones because I fall asleep on planes wearing them and wake up surrounded by bits of headphone
[14:58] <AlanBell> I can't be trusted with nice things
[14:59] <christel> do you bang your head hard against the wall whilst sleeping? :o
[15:00] <AlanBell> I have no idea, I am asleep when sleeping
[15:04] <davmor2> christel: no it's the people around him bouncing things off his head to try and wake him up cause of the snoring, I bet :D
[15:05] <christel> davmor2: ah! makes sense
[15:08] <AlanBell> are tickets for England football matches at Wembley stadium normally more than £20.12?
[15:10] <BigRedS> I'd have thought so
[15:14] <AlanBell> looks like it might not be a massive bargain and I really am not that interested, but if anyone wants me to get 4 tickets for Ukraine or San Marino then give me a shout
[15:15] <gord> is it really £20.12 though? or is it £20.12 + additional charges
[15:15] <gord> the additional charges are where they really make their money
[15:18] <AlanBell> http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/3700491DEF708942?did=gamesmakers look like rubbish seats at the back
[15:22] <popey> there are tickets on level 1
[15:23] <popey> 2.50 processing fee
[15:23] <AlanBell> http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/3700491DFC108B5D?did=gamesmakers is the San Marino link
[15:25] <christel> 20 is pretty cheap for an england match :)
[15:25] <christel> (hell, 20 is what you'd pay to go watch aldershot town at home!) :)
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> christel: what in Norway?
[15:26] <christel> MartijnVdS: :P
[15:27] <davmor2> 20 is cheap it's about 50 for a wolves match :D
[15:54] <bigcalm> Who'd want to pay to watch football?
[15:55] <NimChimpsky> many idiots do
[15:55] <popey> Well indeed!
[15:56]  * bigcalm tuts
[15:56] <bigcalm> Snooker and ice hockey are sports one is permitted to pay to watch
[15:56] <bigcalm> At a push, cricket and rugger
[15:57] <christel> i don't think i'd pay to watch snooker
[15:57] <christel> ice hockey perhaps
[15:58] <christel> cricket and rugby definitely
[15:58] <christel> football too i suspect
[15:58] <popey> I'd pay to watch snooker if I had trouble sleeping
[15:58] <popey> same for cricket
[15:58] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:00] <NimChimpsky> ^_^
[16:05] <uzi34> been so many years since ive been on irc, hello all. dont suppose theres any networking gurus out there?
[16:10] <popey> http://cubieboard.org/
[16:13] <JohnRobert> hi simon
[16:13] <diplo> I used to love watching snooker, but only watch 20mins or so at a time now before I  get up and do something else
[16:13] <JohnRobert> does freenode support ipv6 or something?
[16:13] <brobostigon> JohnRobert: yes.
[16:14] <JohnRobert> simonrjon: are you the Simon from S24?
[16:14] <JohnRobert> bit of a coincidence if so :p
[16:15] <JohnRobert> unlikely, but then the name is exactly the same
[16:15] <JohnRobert> which is also unlikely
[16:15] <JohnRobert> mind = blown
[16:16] <simonrjon> JohnRobert: nope, fairly certain that's not me
[16:16] <JohnRobert> simon r jones?
[16:17] <simonrjon> well, that is my name, but i'm not from s24
[16:18] <diplo> looks good popey
[16:18] <diplo> links don't work for demos though
[16:19] <JohnRobert> heh
[16:19] <JohnRobert> well there's another simon r jones here who happens to be my boss
[16:20] <JohnRobert> and also someone who would maybe be on this channel
[16:20] <JohnRobert> oh well, freaky
[16:21] <simonrjon> it's a surprisingly common name
[16:22] <JohnRobert> yeah well it's not really strange
[16:22] <JohnRobert> it's just a little odd the initial is the same too
[16:22] <JohnRobert> but then over the course of a lifetime I guess it's not that odd to find someone with the same three names
[16:22] <JohnRobert> I am 30 and this is the first time it's happened
[16:23] <JohnRobert> do you live in cambridge also simonrjon ?
[16:23] <JohnRobert> :p
[16:23] <simonrjon> fortunately not, otherwise i fear your mind will be blown again :P
[16:27] <JohnRobert> lol
[16:27] <JohnRobert> goodo
[16:27] <popey> heh
[16:27] <popey> wonder if mpt-testing is testing thunderbird
[16:28] <mpt-testing> no, xchat-gnome
[16:28] <mpt-testing> seeing if it has any sounds when someone mentions my name
[16:28] <mpt-testing> Could you do the honours? :-)
[16:28] <popey> mpt-testing, does it?
[16:28] <popey> mpt-testing, well, does it?
[16:28] <popey> mpt-testing, come on man!
[16:28] <popey> mpt-testing, I hope it does!
[16:28] <mpt-testing> Apparently not
[16:28] <mpt-testing> Just notification bubbles and messaging menu
[16:29] <mpt-testing> Oh, there's a "Sound Notification" plug-in
[16:30] <mpt-testing> "Play a sound when you receive a private mes..." (description in an unresizable window)
[16:30] <popey> outrage!
[16:30] <mpt-testing> thanks popey
[16:30] <popey> np mpt-testing
[16:30] <mpt-testing> Ironically it plays a sound when you mention my name and it *is* focused
[16:31] <aquarius> popey, ping about arm boards and Ubuntu and things :)
[16:31] <directhex> arm /o\
[16:32] <aquarius> :)
[16:32] <aquarius> directhex, ping about intel boards with everything on board which are powered off usb and cost less than fifty quid. :)
[16:32] <directhex> look behind you, a three-headed monkey!
[16:33] <popey> aquarius, what?
[16:34] <aquarius> popey, most of the arm boards out there -- that cubie thing you recently mentioned, raspi, etc, etc -- don't have onboard wifi. Is this because I'm looking in the wrong places for a £50 Ubuntu-supporting ARM board with wifi, or because the physics don't work out? feel free to say "I have no idea", but you seem to be more in touch with this stuff than me :)
[16:36] <popey> i have no idea
[16:36] <popey> but
[16:36] <popey> it makes sense not to have wifi
[16:36] <popey> wifi makes sense in battery operated mobile devices like phones/tablets
[16:36] <aquarius> makes sense to the people making it, sure. Makes sense to me: not so much. ;)
[16:36] <popey> makes less sense in a device like that
[16:37] <popey> well, it doesn't have a display, so good luck with your battery powered HDMI connected TV
[16:37] <aquarius> I am not l33t enough to have cat 5 all over my house. I do have sockets. :)
[16:37] <popey> anyway, 12 quid buys you a decent wifi USB dongle
[16:37] <popey> "decent" as in "works on ubuntu"
[16:37] <aquarius> yeah, but most of them get crap range off a wifi dongle because they can't give it enough power :(
[16:39] <aquarius> although that may be me misunderstanding all this stuff as I blunder around in the dark. :)
[16:40]  * popey shrugs
[16:40] <popey> I have a decent access point in the centre of my house
[16:40] <popey> some of these boards do have wifi, as an add-on
[16:41] <aquarius> ah, then I am looking in the wrong places. cheers.
[16:42] <bigcalm> My raspberry pi is still in its packaging :(
[16:44] <dogmatic69> :(
[16:44] <dogmatic69> poor little rpi
[16:44] <bigcalm> I know
[16:44] <bigcalm> I do have a plan for it. Just a matter of finding time and energy
[16:45] <bigcalm> It might push me to learn python
[16:45] <bigcalm> But I doubt it :D
[16:45] <popey> ooh, reminds me, need to rebuild my revo
[16:45] <popey> after oggcamp
[16:45]  * MartijnVdS really likes OpenWRT on his TP-Link 703N
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> it's so TIN
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> Y
[16:45] <bigcalm> popey: when shall we resume work on the project?
[16:46] <popey> good question
[16:46] <bigcalm> My new router will come tomorrow and 1st thing its getting is OpenWRT and hopefully share my phone's 3g connection
[16:47] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: what is your plan for it?
[16:47] <bigcalm> Here I am, hitting refresh on a shipping website :(
[16:47] <dogmatic69> Im currently using mine as a type of print server
[16:48] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: replace my current dd-wrt Linksys router. I'm currently without a USB port so can't share a 3g connection across my LAN. The new router has one and is documented to run open-wrt
[16:51] <AlanBell> right, I am done with stuffs and in London and have an offpeak ticket so I can't go home for a few hours
[16:51] <AlanBell> anyone up for a beer?
[16:54] <bigcalm> Me! But too far away
[16:55] <bigcalm> Last time I found myself in that situation, I went to Pizza Express on Euston Road :D
[16:56] <davmor2> AlanBell: that's you problem everyone it up but up to far to join you for a beer :D
[16:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: irssi awayproxy set to 0 is pretty good :)
[16:57] <bigcalm> Humm?
[16:57] <bigcalm> I used a plugin to manage when I'm away
[17:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's what it does, when you set away or disconnect your client it will email you and message you when you reconnect
[17:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's it, handy eh?
[17:05] <christel> oh speaking of beer
[17:05] <christel> bigcalm: jussi will be up your neck of the woods soon, you guys should take him out
[17:05] <bigcalm> 19 days to BEER!
[17:05] <bigcalm> Where is near?
[17:05] <christel> birmingham iirc
[17:05] <bigcalm> Who is jussi? :D
[17:05] <christel> lol
[17:05] <christel> jussi: who are you? :D
[17:05] <davmor2> christel: that'll be my neck of the woods then
[17:06] <christel> davmor2: yar! take him out and show him a good time
[17:06] <christel> they don't have that in finland, they only have saunas in which they practise getting cooked to death
[17:06] <christel> :)
[17:07] <bigcalm> Time for doggie walking. Toodles for now :)
[17:07] <christel> i am eating repulsive swedish sweets but i cant stop :(
[17:07] <christel> enjoy doggie walking
[17:08] <davmor2> christel: they can't be as bad as gord's awful japanese sweets
[17:09] <christel> ooh do tell
[17:13] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord he can give you details of our faces, at least I didn't spit mine out like bigcalm and moreati iirc
[17:21] <christel> gord: remind me to annoy you
[17:54] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord
[17:54] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord
[17:54] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord
[17:55] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord
[17:55] <davmor2> was that what you had in mind
[18:33] <christel> davmor2: yes.
[18:40] <davmor2> christel: annoy gord
[18:41] <christel> he is clearly immune
[18:45] <davmor2> christel: Or playing on a console and ignoring us
[18:47] <christel> perhaps!
[19:16]  * MartijnVdS saw Sinterklaas candy in the store today
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> the end (of the year) is nigh!
[19:18] <christel> indeed it is
[19:18] <christel> IT IS ALMOST CHRISTMAS \o/ \o/ \o/
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> christel: no Sinterklaas! :)
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> christel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
[19:19] <christel> i have some belgian friends who celebrate(!?) sinterklaas in like early december or something
[19:19] <christel> it always confuses me
[19:19] <christel> (because he totally looks like a posh santa!)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> 5th
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> he's the origin of Santa :)
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> ("Sinterklaas" -> "Santa Claus")
[19:21] <christel> :D
[19:22] <christel> i love christmas and advent
[19:22] <christel> happy times ahead \o/
[19:22] <jussi> bigcalm: I am me of course!
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> nomnom chocolate-covered kruidnoten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruidnoten
[19:23] <brobostigon> christmas freaks me sometimes, these forced get-togethers,
[19:24] <jussi> bigcalm: davmor2: Ill be attending the automotive linux summit.
[19:24] <christel> brobostigon: mmmsee i just love the whole preparing for christmas thing -- decorating, baking, making, cooking etc
[19:24] <christel> the whole build-up!
[19:24] <christel> :D
[19:25] <christel> MartijnVdS: ooh how different are they to pepernoten on taste?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> christel: very!
[19:25] <christel> better? :)
[19:25] <jussi> christel: ++ to the build up thing
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> do you know speculaas? it's like that
[19:25] <brobostigon> christel: i dont mind the celebrating, that can be good, but things tend in our family, to be very forced, and less down to what we feel like doing, actually having fun.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: <dalek voice>HAVE A NICE CHRISTMAS! OBEY! OBEY!
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> like that? :)
[19:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that i distinctly dislike, yes, exactly.
[19:26] <christel> brobostigon: ah yes, that can be a bit hard work
[19:27] <christel> MartijnVdS: i do not! perhaps i need to visit you before christmas to eat all the things! :P
[19:27] <brobostigon> christel: it was a couple of years afo, i had a really bad, asd attack, very unpleasant.
[19:27] <brobostigon> ago*
[19:27]  * christel hugs brobostigon 
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> christel: I could send a box across the sea
[19:27]  * brobostigon hugs christel back.
[19:28] <christel> MartijnVdS: yesss! that would be awesome! in return i will send you some british tre..wait.. maybe something norwegian, that'd be tastier!
[19:28] <n1md4> Evening.  I'm configuring irssi to autoignore on booting irssi.  I've added what I think is the right config http://pastie.org/4664017 it's autojoining, but not autoignoring.  Any ideas?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> christel: what kind of tastiness comes from Norway?
[19:28] <ali> Hi all, my step-daughter has been given computing homework which requires Visual C# Express.  She has Ubuntu on her laptop; is there anything in the Ubuntu/GNU-Linux world that is compatible ?
[19:28] <christel> besides me? hrm hrm i dunno EVERYTHING is tasty in norway :D
[19:28] <brobostigon> christel: i just went outside, took my tobacco with me, and took me, around an hour i was told, to recover,
[19:29] <christel> (lutefisk?)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> ali: unlikely
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> christel: is that the fermented shark?
[19:29] <christel> brobostigon: auchies, that must have been very exhausting
[19:29] <brobostigon> christel: it was more frightning, that energy draining, but yes, that also.
[19:30] <christel> aged stockfish and lye!
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> christel: No sugar or chocolate though
[19:30] <christel> oh true, lutefisk would be a rubbish christmas treat
[19:30] <christel> i will BAKE you something norwegian and christmassy!
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... it's not full dark yet, it's warm [for once]... &
[19:31]  * SuperEngineer see Christmas talk... 
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> bet you also love the 4 months of Christmas carols in the shops ruining real Christmas - which , Im' told, is still in December
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: we got here because I saw Sinterklaas candy in the supermarket :)
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> i rest my case ;)
[19:32] <brobostigon> christel: last time i had a bad attack, a friday night at my local, enjoying some music, just over a year ago, my ex was there, and she touched my right shoulder, and caused just such an attack, i got lucky, one of the barmaids there, also teches autistic children, so knew what to do.
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> now that's a useful combination of skills :)
[19:32] <hamitron> she sounds dangerous
[19:32] <hamitron> :/
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: probably travels with the Doctor too sometimes :P
[19:38] <brobostigon> christel: sorry, i dont mean to blabber,
[19:38] <christel> nooo that is fine
[19:38] <brobostigon> :) thank you.
[19:38] <christel> i am glad it's been a while since the last time, it cant be easy when it happens :)
[19:39] <brobostigon> christel: definatly not, i just know, if people try and keep calm around me, and just talk to me, that is the best to do.
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS keeps talking
[19:46]  * brobostigon talks with MartijnVdS 
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I wonder if the weather is going to be this good all week
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> (and next week)
[19:47] <brobostigon> well, i certainly know, here, tmrw and day after, should be ok, to fair.
[19:47]  * MartijnVdS has 2 weeks off from work
[19:47] <brobostigon> enjoy :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: did you see the photo I posted yesterday? Of the (purple) flowering heaths?
[19:48] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i did not, no.
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> flickr.com/photos/treenaks
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> newest 3
[19:49] <jussi> christel: MartijnVdS: you can buy speculaas wherever euroshopper is present
[19:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wow, :)
[19:50] <jussi> they are called dutch spice biscuits in english
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> jussi: yay Euroshopper :)
[19:50] <jussi> MartijnVdS: I have dutch heritage - Im quite up with these things :P
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I'm all Dutch. I just like this channel more than -nl ;)
[19:54] <christel> "all dutch" \o/
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> christel: well, there's a lost German somewhere in my family tree.. about a century ago
[19:55]  * dutchie is not dutch at all
[19:55] <dutchie> :D
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: ohai mr Holland :)
[19:56] <dutchie> o/
[19:56] <daubers> dutchie: Lies!
[19:56] <daubers> We know the Truth!!!
[19:56] <dutchie> ooer
[19:56]  * daubers managed to get lost on his way to his eclipse window again
[19:57] <dutchie> haha
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: try vim instead ;)
[19:57] <dutchie> i blame unity for selecting the wrong terminal
[19:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: But eclipse has all the shiny android stuff in it
[19:57] <dutchie> i want the work one, not the irc one!
[19:57] <daubers> heh :)
[19:57] <dutchie> ahem
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> daubers: didn't you make panoramas as well? :)
[20:03] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Hmmmm?
[20:04] <daubers> I made some silly big ones with Hugin..... why? Not done any for ages though
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I forgot my aperture yesterday
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> so mine are half blurry 8-)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (see my flickr for the 2 I made)
[20:09] <daubers> MartijnVdS: nice
[20:10] <n1md4> I'm getting spammed on IRC, kirrus said there is a freenode mod on here that might be able to help?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> n1md4: there is
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> CHRISTEL!!! :)
[20:11] <daubers> He's so subtle you know
[20:11] <christel> n1md4: are you in any bitcoin channels by chance? :)
[20:17] <Azelphur> bitcoin channels are fun atm
[20:17] <christel> (some guy is insisting that someone in #bitcoin stole 15,000 bitcoins from him and has fired up a botnet which attacks that channel and a number of other bitcoin related channels on the network, it's been ongoing for few days, we've so far blacklisted about 10,000 exploited hosts in various blacklists, however he seems to have access to a significant amount of compromised machines and is unlikely to stop anytime soon -- we're ...
[20:17] <christel> ... banning and blacklisting as it takes place mind)
[20:17] <christel> basically he claims that he will keep this up until his 15,000 bitcoins are returned to him
[20:18] <Azelphur> he's probably right about the 15k bitcoins, just wrong about the misguided attacks and general stupidity :p
[20:18] <Azelphur> I'm down 1k right now, in the same boat that he is.
[20:19] <christel> curiously, his botnet doesn't actually join the channel, so there is a client in there which feeds the nicklist to the botnet continuously (whenever a new person joins from what i can tell)
[20:19] <Azelphur> indeed, I've noticed that too
[20:19] <jussi> MartijnVdS: technically Im all dutch also... just my granparents decided to live in australia :P
[20:19] <Azelphur> I just set umode +R and havn't had any issues since
[20:20] <christel> Azelphur: i'm tempted to clear the channel (i.e. kick all users) to see if i can spot what the client might be, but i fear it would piss off all the users in there :D
[20:21] <Azelphur> haha probably
[20:21] <ali1234> +R is good
[20:21] <ali1234> but if someone messages me who isnt a bot, do they get a message that i didn't get their message?
[20:21] <n1md4> I am.
[20:21] <Azelphur> I like the automated reporting scripts that got handed out, that was a clever idea
[20:21] <n1md4> christel: ^
[20:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea they do, I tested
[20:21] <ali1234> cool.
[20:21] <ali1234> then i will keep it on permanently :)
[20:22] <n1md4> (sorry, 1 year old needed me for a while there)
[20:22] <ali1234> n1md4: /mode n1md4 +R
[20:22] <n1md4> what does that do?
[20:23] <ali1234> it prevents unregistered usings from pming you
[20:23] <ali1234> *users
[20:23] <christel> i am also tempted to modify the ircd config a bit as that might keep the bots at bay (until the botmaster works out what i've done) -- however, it could also cause issues for some genuine clients so i am undecided as of yet
[20:23] <n1md4> Ah, thanks, that'll do it.
[20:24] <Azelphur> christel: I think it'll solve itself eventually, the guy who has the coins is saying he's gonna pay people back, and he's bound to run out of drones before long
[20:24] <Azelphur> so one or the other should occur :)
[20:24] <ali1234> ok, a question. i want to make an exact copy of a mysql production database for development purposes, on the same server. so exact copy with different name, and also have a script to sync production -> dev at any time. what's the best way?
[20:24] <christel> Azelphur: true! or they'll get bored at some point :)
[20:25] <Azelphur> that too :)
[20:26] <christel> n1md4: i'm very sorry, i know it is dreadfully annoying (and the contents of the spam is far from pleasant) -- we have a few users who want us to modify the ircd to allow us to intercept messages and silently drop at ircd level, however, that's not an approach we're too keen on for numerous reasons (it not being very ethical to implement an easy way to snoop on users being the main one, followed by resources)
[20:27] <n1md4> christel: no worries, the internet has far worse to offer ;)
[20:28] <ali1234> Azelphur: yyou don't really still believe pirate is gonna pay do you??
[20:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: he's already paid out a number of people
[20:29] <christel> how did he end up with everyones bitcoins in the first place?
[20:29] <christel> (bitcoins are a bit of a mystery to me)
[20:29] <ali1234> christel: ponzi scheme
[20:29] <Azelphur> christel: ^ or the first bitcoin bank
[20:29] <ali1234> promised 7% interest per week
[20:29] <christel> aha
[20:31] <Azelphur> christel: as it stands he's behaving odd though and not communicating very well, he's paid a few people back but he's making strange demands and keeps missing payback dates :p
[20:31] <ali1234> he can't pay because he does not have the money
[20:31] <ali1234> this is how ponzi schemes work
[20:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: #speculation is that way -->
[20:31] <ali1234> he gave all the money out in interest payments
[20:31] <ali1234> now he can't pay back the principle
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speculaas
[20:32] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: hi lots of words I don't understand and pictures of strangely shaped biscuity looking things
[20:32] <ali1234> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Speculaasbrokken.jpg
[20:32] <ali1234> how very apt
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: the stuff is called "speculaas", and every time people "speculate" I think of it :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also, because it's yummy
[20:33] <Azelphur> hehe :P
[20:33] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: is that the ginger flavoured stuff that you get with coffee in fancy restaurants?
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, but then in big chunks an a lot better-tasting
[20:34] <Azelphur> you've made me hungry, so I'm going to the shop to buy lots of crap now.
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: not our fault ;)
[20:34] <jussi> yay, aljazeera has been hacked...
[20:36] <ali1234> hmm assad loyalists
[20:36] <jussi> ali1234: sounds fun
[20:36] <ali1234> not really
[20:37] <jussi> ali1234: do tell me more..?
[20:38] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
[20:39]  * bigcalm looks in
[20:39] <jussi> ali1234: yes, Im aware of the context, but why are they hacking aljazeera?
[20:39] <jussi> hi bigcalm
[20:39] <ali1234> because al jazeera doesn't agree with the official government version of events
[20:40] <bigcalm> Hello jussi
[20:40] <bigcalm> jussi: you're not from Oulu by any chance are you?
[20:40] <jussi> bigcalm: I have been known to live in Oulu in the past...
[20:41] <jussi> (only for the last 7 years :P )
[20:41] <jussi> bigcalm: why?
[20:41] <bigcalm> jussi: the only person with the name Jussi was the ex-bf of one of my ex-gfs
[20:42] <bigcalm> She was from Oulu and as far as I could tell, so was he
[20:42] <jussi> bigcalm: there are many Jussi's in oulu...
[20:42] <bigcalm> But I'm sure that there is more than one Jussi ;)
[20:42] <jussi> and Im an austalian, only I lived in oulu for sometime...
[20:42] <bigcalm> It's good to check these things
[20:42] <jussi> hehe
[20:42] <bigcalm> Goodness, how did you get such a Finnish name?
[20:42] <jussi> what nationality was the girl?
[20:43] <bigcalm> Finnish
[20:43] <jussi> oh, duh, reading fail
[20:43] <bigcalm> :)
[20:43] <jussi> bigcalm: changed it
[20:43] <bigcalm> Fair do :)
[20:44] <jussi> bigcalm: Finns say yooooossuua instead of proper Joshua, so it was just easy
[20:44] <bigcalm> Yep, tis a fun language for sure
[20:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nsc3n5fxk9hkoau/2012-09-04%2021.43.40.jpg?m I blame you entirely for this :P
[20:44] <bigcalm> One year I learnt how to sing the alphabet
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I deny all the things!
[20:45] <Azelphur> lol
[20:45] <bigcalm> And I still say thank-you, thanks and milk in Finniah
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: does it involve lots of vowels and " marks?
[20:45] <jussi> bigcalm: yes, I speak it kinda ok, its fun :P
[20:45] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yes!
[20:46] <jussi> milk is easy though...
[20:46] <jussi> Maito
[20:46] <jussi> its pretty close in pronunciation to "my toe"
[20:46] <bigcalm> Mitta?!
[20:46] <jussi> Mitä?
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> say it with a Spanish accent!
[20:47] <bigcalm> Bah, I was more about pronouncing it than spelling
[20:47] <bigcalm> I'm bad enough at English
[20:47] <jussi> MartijnVdS: I cant pronounce my surname correctly in dutch, which is kinda funny
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> jussi: but.. those are easy! :)
[20:47] <jussi> (yes, I have the guttural sch ...)
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> jussi: non-Dutch people can't pronounce the "ij" in my name :)
[20:48] <jussi> ie. hock up a big one when you say it...
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you can do it! just practice with Scottish
[20:48] <jussi> lol
[20:48] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, the ijs are hard
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> ijs is hard ja :)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> bilingual puns \o/
[20:49] <jussi> bigcalm: go now and sy Yrjö - complete with rolled r's :P
[20:49] <bigcalm> :D
[20:49]  * bigcalm gets his head into gear
[20:49] <jussi> right, off to bed now - its almost midnight and I have to get to work for an 8am start...
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> it's almost 23:00, you mean :)
[20:50] <jussi> MartijnVdS: in your place, not mine
[20:50] <bigcalm> Bah, it's not even 10pm yet ;)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> jussi: ah the far east
[20:51] <jussi> hehe
[20:51] <jussi> the communist states :P
[20:52] <jussi> anyway, now really bed time
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> nn
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> good idea though
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> sleep.
[22:17] <davmor2> So guys who is using quantal already?
[22:18] <davmor2> Brb
[22:24] <n1md4> christel: the mode +R command didn't have the desired result.