| rick_h_ | morning | 11:54 |
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| rick_h_ | and all the iLovers cry that things are over blown and there's nothing to fear so long as they have their apple protective blanket. http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/04/hackers-release-1-million-ios-device-udids-obtained-from-fbi-laptop/ | 12:13 |
| rick_h_ | http://corte.si/posts/security/udid-leak.html ouch | 12:14 |
| snap-l | good morning | 12:31 |
| jrwren | hrm, that is scary. | 12:44 |
| rick_h_ | yea, fail of the udid, at least people saw it coming and they were forcing apps to stop using it I think | 12:45 |
| jrwren | lol @ fbi butthurt | 12:48 |
| rick_h_ | lol, love this thrashing of 'growth hacker' stuff that's been going around http://goo.gl/0uU66 | 13:12 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Oh FFS | 13:15 |
| snap-l | like brogramming, this needs to DIAF | 13:15 |
| brousch | The boy just started Kindergarten today. This will be fun | 13:17 |
| snap-l | yay | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: congrats! | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | so vote on which codemash talk I should submit. 1) Makefile from MUG but fleshed out a bit probably | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | 2) Lessons learned from Bookie which will almost be 2yrs old by Jan | 13:20 |
| brousch | What are the lessons? | 13:23 |
| snap-l | They're both good | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | that's the talk brousch :P | 13:23 |
| brousch | I can't vote without some idea of the lessons | 13:23 |
| shakes808 | Good morning all. How was everyone's holiday weekend? | 13:24 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: it'd probably be something like: Code quality, setting expectations, finding the time, and project diversity: Lessons learned from two years hacking on an open source application. | 13:26 |
| snap-l | lesson 1: users are whiny bitches | 13:31 |
| shakes808 | snap-l + 1 | 13:35 |
| brousch | I vote for "Abusing Makefiles for Fun and Profit" | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: cool vote stored | 13:41 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, only 68 view of my pyohio talk, wonder if I should submit it to reddit r/python | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | upvotes please! http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/zc2ne/pyohio_2012_starting_your_python_project_right/ | 13:48 |
| shakes808 | http://lifehacker.com/5940197/1-million-apple-device-ids-leaked-12-million-total-stolen | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: yea, I've got a serious case of the Nelson's today | 14:08 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Upvoted | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: ty much | 14:09 |
| brousch | the Nelson's? | 14:11 |
| snap-l | har har | 14:11 |
| * rick_h_ points finger and shouts "HAA! HAA!" | 14:11 | |
| rick_h_ | doh, no jcastro | 14:21 |
| snap-l | Yeah, he's not fully settled in | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallical | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica | 14:24 |
| snap-l | hmm | 14:24 |
| brousch | Calm down d00d | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Thought that would bring jcastro in here | 14:24 |
| brousch | Damnit. I cannot add a link to my blog post on further instructions to the YouTube video | 14:25 |
| brousch | Fuck spammers | 14:25 |
| rick_h_ | +1 | 14:26 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: the Nelsons? What is that? | 14:34 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: simpsons | 14:34 |
| shakes808 | lol alright. That is the Nelson's that I was thinking about. | 14:34 |
| shakes808 | lol | 14:34 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78 | 14:35 |
| rick_h_ | just picture me doing that at the apple/fbi stories coming out today | 14:35 |
| shakes808 | Youtube is blocked here. But I can imagine that it is him doing hit "HA HA" and pointing at Apple and FBI lol | 14:35 |
| jcastro | man, been here two days and it's already raining | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | hah, thankfully | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | rain == less lawn watering I need to do | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | and clean my car from the travel back from up noth | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: did you see the markdown chrome app? Has preview and such. | 15:03 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/27/3271095/textdown-chrome-markdown-web-app | 15:03 |
| snap-l | jcastro: wb | 15:04 |
| snap-l | I take credit for my incantations. ;) | 15:04 |
| snap-l | Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica | 15:04 |
| snap-l | Also, my Squeezebox article is in the latest Linux Journal (Sept. issue) | 15:05 |
| brousch | Nice | 15:07 |
| brousch | Damn. I got some bad PDFs. I forgot how much RAM I need to fix these things | 15:08 |
| brousch | I hit 4GB of swap before the process killed | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: congrats on the article | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, I hear all this tearing and ripping as the flooring guy tears up the carpet | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | it makes me cringe down here | 15:27 |
| brousch | I fail as a father. I forgot to send lunch money | 15:28 |
| brousch | Luckily they have me covered for the first 2 days | 15:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Thank you. :) | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: hah, need to get that checklist | 15:29 |
| brousch | His backpack this morning was so heavy he couldn't carry it | 15:30 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 15:31 |
| brousch | Ah, they have a website where I can top-up his lunch funds. This is nice | 15:31 |
| brousch | ONly $2 for lunch. I'm going to eat there | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: how old is your guy? | 15:36 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: a downvote??? wtf, who would downvote that? | 15:36 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: haters gonna hate :P | 15:36 |
| jrwren | TextDown is rather silly IMO... pagedown lets anyone write that. https://code.google.com/p/pagedown/wiki/PageDown | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | yea, the drag/drop and such for the local files is cool though which would be challenging I think iwth a web app | 15:37 |
| brousch | rick_h_: 4 now. 5 in November. 5 in December is our Kindergarten cutoff | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: ok, looking at my school system they've got kindergarten and then 'early 5's kindergarten' | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | so was wondering if you kid was 5 or 6 | 15:39 |
| brousch | Yeah, each district has different things. Ours just has full day K at that cutoff | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, my son's Dec 28th birthday means he'll basically be the oldest kid in class | 15:39 |
| jrwren | so yours did first day of K? | 15:39 |
| brousch | yeah | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | their early 5 program has a dec 1st cutoff | 15:39 |
| jrwren | congrats, mine too | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | man, jrwren is the 4th person I know with a kid in K today | 15:39 |
| brousch | Heh. 2007 was a good year. Top of the bubble, hopes soaring for everyone | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 15:40 |
| jrwren | yeah, lots of friend have kids in K today. | 15:41 |
| rick_h_ | jealous! | 15:41 |
| shakes808 | snap-l: That is awesome. I will look for it :D | 15:41 |
| jrwren | brousch: speak for yourself. 2006 was a shit year, where i got drunk for forgot to wear a rubber, which lead to a 2007 year of wtf am I getting myself into. | 15:41 |
| brousch | jrwren: I thought you had like 5 kids | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | lmao, ok didn't see that coming | 15:42 |
| jrwren | brousch: lol, no. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | brousch: i don't make the same mistake twice. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | one and only one child. | 15:42 |
| brousch | I wonder how I got that impression | 15:43 |
| jrwren | maybe I use her as my excuse to not participate in things often? | 15:43 |
| brousch | I don't know | 15:45 |
| brousch | Woohoo, lunch deposit approved and logged. George will have lunch today | 15:47 |
| snap-l | We are living in the future. | 15:47 |
| brousch | indeed | 15:48 |
| snap-l | and the company that brought it to us: AT&T. | 15:48 |
| snap-l | (*snicker*) | 15:48 |
| jrwren | school lunch? | 15:49 |
| jrwren | you are letting your child eat that poison? | 15:49 |
| brousch | Yep | 15:49 |
| brousch | I think the website logs what they ate too | 15:50 |
| jrwren | really??? | 16:01 |
| jrwren | that is facinating. | 16:02 |
| brousch | To be precise, I expect it logs what they chose, not what they ate. They can swap food, throw it away, etc | 16:04 |
| snap-l | every bit of food is RFID encoded | 16:05 |
| brousch | Nice, then I can track it as it's pooped out too | 16:05 |
| greg-g | seriously? they track what you eat now? | 16:12 |
| brousch | I think so | 16:15 |
| brousch | And the teachers are supposed to update some other website with what they did every day | 16:16 |
| greg-g | wow, sounds annoying for the teachers | 16:16 |
| greg-g | so much for parents having to talk with their kids | 16:16 |
| greg-g | oh, and get off my lawn | 16:16 |
| brousch | Yeah, seems crazy to me | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: heh, more ammunition to catch things early | 16:18 |
| greg-g | the quantified child | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | I know with my brother he'd be weeks behind in homework not turned in before a warning slip would go out to my aunt | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | I guess I can see both ways, I'm all for more info available and do what you will with it | 16:18 |
| greg-g | as though I should talk, my main job right now is making educational resources more like linked data | 16:21 |
| greg-g | Na·zi [ˈnɑːtsɪ] n. 1. Someone who works on something for free for all to share, but doesn't do as i say. 2. National-Socialist | 16:22 |
| greg-g | https://twitter.com/hbons/status/243017973240053760 | 16:22 |
| brousch | greg-g++ "the quantified child" I like that | 16:40 |
| brousch | The helicopter parents are driving this insanity | 16:40 |
| greg-g | yeppers | 16:45 |
| snap-l | I'd like to thank my generation for fucking things up. | 16:50 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 16:55 |
| jrwren | i blame the boomers. | 16:55 |
| * greg-g nods | 17:00 | |
| greg-g | the boomers did so much wrong with raising their kids | 17:00 |
| greg-g | Dr. Spock wasn't right, ya'll. It was a major departure from everything we've been doing until then. | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | I thought letting the schools do the raising was the problem :P | 17:00 |
| greg-g | that too | 17:00 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, but after playing part time dad to my (now 21yr old) brother and coming up on 3 of my own...if there's a magic book out there let me know because this stuff doesn't seem to be standard issue | 17:01 |
| jrwren | its the parents that practice attachment parenting's fault | 17:03 |
| * rick_h_ relates too close to the helicoptoer stuff I guess | 17:03 | |
| jrwren | 3 of your own??? | 17:03 |
| jrwren | you have 2?!?!? | 17:03 |
| jrwren | and a 3rd on way??? | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | huh? | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | own kid is coming up on 3yr old :P | 17:04 |
| jrwren | ah. | 17:04 |
| jrwren | right. | 17:04 |
| brousch | See, this is how I get the wrong information :P | 17:04 |
| greg-g | heh | 17:05 |
| jrwren | i couldn't help myself greg-g :) | 17:06 |
| greg-g | jrwren: I figured :P | 17:07 |
| * greg-g is an unashamed AP practitioner | 17:07 | |
| brousch | What's that? | 17:08 |
| rick_h_ | heh, don't know much on that side tbh, but my wife did tell me about an awesome 4yr breast feeding AP experience she ran into that gave me the shudders | 17:08 |
| brousch | "there are no conclusive empirical efficacy studies on Sears attachment parenting." | 17:09 |
| greg-g | nor any other | 17:11 |
| greg-g | but whatever moving on :) | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | religion, politics, and parenting :) | 17:11 |
| greg-g | yeppers :) | 17:11 |
| greg-g | personal choices are personal | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | widox: hey, keyboard report. How's it going? | 17:12 |
| brousch | Oh man, I skipped the NMRA show this year and missed this http://www.flickr.com/photos/decojim/ | 17:15 |
| jrwren | now see... i'm anti-AP (not strongly) and yet i'm very pro long term breast feeding. | 17:15 |
| jrwren | I don't see why cow milk is OK, but human milk is somehow strange or gross. | 17:16 |
| widox | rick_h_: good. used the blues last week; started using the browns today | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: for me it's more the size/teeth and such that causes the shudder | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: my son can't tickle gently and the idea of the other thing just has me crossing my arms to protect myself :P | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | widox: cool | 17:17 |
| widox | rick_h_: wife was not excited about the noise from the blues :) | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | widox: yea, I figured might be the case. If I didn't have my own office I bet I'd have a backup wife-friendly keyboard | 17:18 |
| brousch | Here ya go http://www.michlug.org/ | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: ok, that's awesome | 17:19 |
| widox | rick_h_: yeah... curious if that new guy will bring in his Filco tomorrow | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: make sure your co-workers comes back to CHC with his filco please :) | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | poor guy, comes to one meeting and we're all "bring us your hardware!" | 17:20 |
| widox | lego people amaze me | 17:20 |
| snap-l | I have a big problem with parents relying on schools for everything for their kids | 17:39 |
| snap-l | Also, corporal punishment is A+ | 17:39 |
| snap-l | Not abuse, but letting the child know who is in charge | 17:39 |
| brousch | I have never had to strike my child. Putting him in the corner is as devastating to him as a waterboarding | 17:40 |
| snap-l | And each child is different | 17:40 |
| brousch | But I suspect he is atypical | 17:40 |
| snap-l | That's the major thing | 17:41 |
| jrwren | i gave up on corporal punishment, there may be times it works, but it certainly wasn't working. | 18:05 |
| jrwren | it really does hurt me more than it hurts her. | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | die zope...and stupid OOP based html form generation | 18:07 |
| brousch | How should forms be generated? | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | via html, maybe a single function that does some template-fu | 18:09 |
| rick_h_ | I'm all for creating widgets, but it doesn't need to be this pita | 18:09 |
| rick_h_ | and stacked 50 layers deep | 18:10 |
| brousch | Is there a form module that does it that way? | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | well there's a widget library | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | and then widgets are tied into View objects and there's a ton of interaction/setup with it all that just makes it a ton more compliated than it feels like it needs to be | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | but that's zope, why keep it simple when you can bring 10 interfaces to bear on the problem | 18:13 |
| snap-l | zope on a rope | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 18:20 |
| Blazeix | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1901 | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | man youtube comments are stupid as can be | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | "Error: please try again" | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | oh, doesn't like the url, fine. Remove the url, "Post" | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | "Error: please try again" | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, wtf...let me change the content I guess it doesn't like something. | 18:28 |
| jrwren | snap-l: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5QmcM5YhU | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | "Error: please try again" | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | finally reload the page and see "Comment removed: author name withheld" | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | well then why can't it just say that ugh | 18:28 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, I need to get some more Battlecross | 18:33 |
| jrwren | snap-l: a guy at work here linked me to that. he says they are his son and/or his sons friends. | 18:40 |
| greg-g | jrwren: http://inversephase.bandcamp.com/album/pretty-eight-machine | 18:48 |
| jrwren | greg-g: yeah, i snagged it. its is only OK. | 18:54 |
| jrwren | definitely fun at first, but some of the covers are pretty bad. | 18:54 |
| jrwren | when listening in my car, i found myself wanting to turn it off. | 18:54 |
| greg-g | I bet in the car, yeah | 18:56 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Very cool. They've been making a real splash in the metal world | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | well, the tearing out of the carpet seems to be done becuase the saw is kicking on now, wheee | 19:28 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: not a work from coffeeshop day? | 19:32 |
| greg-g | jrwren: I have to admit, I'm listening to it all and liking it for work background music | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: no, I don't like having people in my house without me here | 19:39 |
| greg-g | fair 'nough | 19:39 |
| brousch | "School was great!" | 20:22 |
| rick_h_ | awesome! | 20:24 |
| jrwren | i can't wait to go home and hear all about it. | 20:26 |
| rick_h_ | sigh, you can't judge by the tools a person uses right? | 20:27 |
| brousch | Wrong | 20:28 |
| brousch | Judge all you want based on whatever you want. This is still America! | 20:29 |
| greg-g | brousch: then how is he wrong if he doesn't? | 20:33 |
| brousch | I am judging him for his non-judgmental attitude | 20:36 |
| greg-g | luckily, judging is non-translative | 20:38 |
| greg-g | (or whatever that mathematical property is) | 20:38 |
| jrwren | trasitive? | 20:45 |
| jrwren | judgy mc judgement pants can go judge a fastest slug contest | 20:45 |
| jrwren | i'll snap my finger while yelling "You don't know me!" | 20:46 |
| greg-g | transitive, yep | 20:46 |
| rick_h_ | speaking of legos today http://goo.gl/4r77H | 20:53 |
| jrwren | wow, chrome is only 4yo. | 21:01 |
| jrwren | that is AMAZING! | 21:02 |
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