[04:53] hi superfly magespawn and others [04:58] morning Kilos [04:59] hi all [04:59] hi jrgns [04:59] you good? [04:59] yip ty and you? [05:00] always good, even when im naughty im good at it [05:04] good mornings [05:05] morning inetpro [05:05] sjoe youre early [05:05] Kilos: I'm always early [05:05] hehe [05:05] except when I'm late [05:10] here is one for you clever guys. i have a network cable but ian said it must go through a router or something because both plugs are connected the same [05:11] i want to know if switcheng the tx and rx pairs will give same performance or does a router boost the signal [05:14] i only have the one cable and want to try connecting 2 pcs [05:16] morning [05:16] meh, slept in today [05:17] hi Squirm [05:42] Kilos most new ethernet cards can handle a straight cable I hear. Tradisionally you need a cross over so that the Tx sends from one pc to the Rx on another [05:43] a router, switch or hub does this switching for you, so traditionally you need a straight cable for that, but new one's know how to switch straight or cross over cables === Digi||Gram is now known as DigiGram [05:43] ty Digi||Gram so theres nothing special the router does. apart from switching connections [05:44] new ones what? [05:45] well that and it boosts the signal. You are working with a signal around 5V, so after 100m it drops to low to be usable, on cheap cables and hardware it happens after about 30m, then you need a hub/switch/router to boost the power again [05:45] i got old pcs so should i cut the cable and switch those 2 pairs [05:45] dont wanna blow anything [05:45] well try it first [05:45] oh it wont damage anything if not swopped [05:45] you won't blow anything, plug it in, if the green LED lights up at both PC's where you plugged the cable in, then you are in business [05:46] nah, Tx sends, Rx receives. If you send to a send port it will be fine, he is used to the voltage, but can't read anything [05:47] ah ty lemme check it out [05:47] was scared of blowing something [05:48] Well not as far as I know [06:07] aw no green light [06:07] murphy lives here [06:08] then you will need a cross-over cable, or you need to cross yours [06:09] i will cut and crossover, thanks [06:28] hiya maiatoday [06:36] hi Kilos [06:48] whew DigiGram what a business. changed cards and this one shows green light [06:49] older pc with network card in and this one connected to mb connector [06:49] no light on mb to see [06:51] no light? I have only seen that on laptops [06:52] lol this mb has the socket to plug in but no light [06:52] weird [06:52] well, then you have to keep an eye on the desktop notifications [07:01] hehe. other pc shows connected. but this one keeps trying to connect [07:02] maybe one mustnt be auto connect [07:03] ubuntu or XP? [07:09] in the ipv6 settings i made it automatic dhcp only and now shows connected [07:10] dunno what that means but we are connected [07:10] it just means one PC will give an IP and the other will listen [07:10] normally I make them both manual so I can choose IP's, but it's your choice [07:11] if you need the IP, you can get it with ifconfig in ubuntu or ipconfig in winblows [07:11] i dont use winsucks [07:11] just making sure lol [07:12] that listening bit. does that mean the other one is the boss? [07:12] or is that just to connect [07:12] just for the connection [07:13] great [07:13] ty [07:47] hi charlvn [07:48] you been scarce [08:13] hi Kilos [08:13] yeah i have been busy [08:13] how's it going [08:15] ok and there [13:15] Git for noobs, what other howto's assume you know --> http://beinganengineer3.blogspot.com/2012/09/git-for-noobs.html [13:16] I'm still getting the hang of this blogging thing, so excuse the poor layout, and the, uhm, wandering off point [13:21] DigiGram: nice [13:21] Maaz: tell kilos sorry for not responding, got busy again, but it's going fine thanks [13:21] charlvn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [13:21] I started with git yesterday, so the info in there is for total n00bs [13:22] DigiGram: that's a good time to write a noob howto :) [13:22] normally it is, because I could see what the other howto's assume you know [13:23] (and I didn't know lol) [13:23] DigiGram: i also found git to be a bit of a mind-shift away from svn, especially since i used cvs before that [13:23] well, up until now I've worked in a folder, zipped it once a day to upload to google drive, and that was my management system lol [13:25] crude but effective [13:26] lol [13:27] And working at home on some of it meant just downloading the zip, deleting the old stuff, and afterwards uploading the zip again. effective, but I want something better [13:27] it's ok if you find a system that works for you as an individual but as soon as you want to start working with a larger group of developers you have a problem [13:28] it's also extremely handy to be able to get a good overview of all the changes on a per-file basis [13:29] yeah, so I want to keep with the times lol [13:30] well i can tell you one thing, if you go into an interview for a job as a developer, at least knowing one or two version control systems is an advantage [13:30] probably any half-decent development company will use at least one type of version control system [13:31] yeah well, nobody will hire me as a developer lol [13:32] lol ok [13:34] ok i am off bbl [13:42] *sigh* [13:42] this country and its BBBEE rules [13:42] are stupid and a pain in the ass [13:43] lol [13:43] I had to spend THOUSANDS getting documentation to show that I was actually allowed to do business with certain people [13:43] (if your turnover is less than X, you are automatically certified with a black economic empowerment status level) [13:44] problem is gonna come next year when I go well over that turnover level [13:46] hmm [13:46] the trials and tribulations of the idle rich [13:47] Symmetria, be like the rest of them, a coupla backhands gets you anything [13:53] DigiGram: if you want to deal with the pain in the nether regions, you should use git-flow. if you want to use a more sane version control, you can try bzr [13:53] I tried bzr onces, quickly decided to rather use my zip file again lol [13:53] I'll try git-flow, but I'm liking git for my purpouses currently [13:54] git-flow is a plugin that works on top of git to make it vaguely useable [13:55] dunno why you think git is easier than bzr, since bzr is much simpler [13:55] nah, maybe I had another issue with it and just stopped. maybe I just had more patience when I tried git [13:56] Symmetria, no dont [13:59] afternoon [13:59] hmm, couldnt get this pinning thing [14:02] hmm, foubd the man page === DigiGram is now known as Digi||Gram [15:29] hi magespawn === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [16:19] good evenings [16:20] hi inetpro [16:20] Kilos: sup? [16:20] what did I miss today? [16:20] temp for a while [16:20] bad again thursday [16:20] huh? [16:20] i wasnt on all day [16:21] they say thursday gonna be freezing again [16:21] ahh [16:22] whats news your side [16:22] * inetpro been busy afk today [16:22] everyone busy busy busy [16:23] eish, I see Thursday might be very cold again [16:23] lol [16:23] oh and Friday worse [16:23] oh my [16:23] and Saturday even ,more so [16:23] * Kilos cries. was just starting to warm up [16:24] well I hope we'll get some rains [16:24] looks like it may even start raining tomorrow [16:27] we need rain very very bad [16:28] ran the hosepipe a few times and after an hour its only wet like 2 feet and then soaks away [16:42] was raining here last night [16:42] no rain today but holy hell its cold [16:43] lol, anyone here run dlink home equipment? [16:43] here is a hint... don't try multicast through it :p [16:48] lol [16:48] i'm not surprised [16:48] i have a dlink 5port gigabit switch [16:48] not using it atm [16:48] Kerbero lol, we tested it with 4 different delink devices [16:48] oops I mean dlink :p [16:49] the longest time we managed without the device rebooting was 7 minutes [16:49] :P [16:49] the shortest was 3 minutes [16:49] lol [16:49] don't they just broadcast the multicast packets? [16:50] no, they reboot themselves [16:50] :p [16:50] ai ai [16:50] i should try it with mine [16:51] multicast has been defined a long time ago [16:51] why does so little stuff support it correctly [16:51] *few [16:52] *little [16:52] ai [16:52] heh its supported at a lan type level on any proper corporate lan switch [16:52] :( [16:52] on a wan layer / internet layer, *shrug* its viewed as a dark art that only academics are stupid enough to play with [16:52] :p [16:52] few things dalk [16:53] Symmetria: is there a way i can dial a vpn to one of your routers to get routed ipv6 to experiment with? [16:54] Kerbero no, your best bet is to use the free vpn's from HE [16:54] HE? [16:55] hurricane electric [16:55] ahh [16:55] google for hurricane electric tunnel broker [16:55] :) [16:55] What? [16:56] o that is perfect [16:57] Oh, thought it was like Do a Barrel Roll [16:58] or tilt and askew [17:15] boot-repair worked for me tonight [17:15] note to self: stop kicking your HDD's while your PC is on [17:24] this is not going to work :( [17:24] to get internet access i have to use a proxy server [17:24] and it does not seem like tunnelbroker supports a proxy like openvpn does [17:34] Cantide, boot-repair is tricky if you have more than one drive and take the second one out to use somewhere else [17:36] i removed my Windoze HDD before trying it out [17:36] i can just plug it back in and change boot options in my bios if need be [17:36] but i haven't used Windoze in a few months :p no loss [17:36] lol [17:39] if you do it with 2 linux drives and want to use the second one in another machine give me a shout first [17:40] there is a trick to doing it [17:41] haha [17:41] okay, will do :p [17:41] im serious [17:41] i only have one linux OS drive [17:41] and one storage drive [17:41] ah [17:41] chances are i will keep it this way [17:41] i have 3 [17:47] what i really like about ubuntu is one is able to remove a drive and use it in another machine without hassles [17:47] try that with winsucks [17:48] :p [17:49] that's what's awesome about installing it on a usb drive [17:49] not that i have as yet [18:01] evening all [18:02] hey magespawn [18:02] howdy Kilos [18:03] i have run laptops from the flash drive before [18:04] just to tack than on to the end of your guys converstion [18:04] hi :) [18:04] and how well did it work? [18:04] i will get me a nice fat stick one of these days and give it a go [18:06] aw kbmonkey is gone [18:07] I have an 8 GB USB 3 one, it's a good candidate... [18:07] haai nuvolari het hy darem pos geantwoord [18:07] yeah 8g is fine [18:08] im running 11.04 on a 6g ide drive === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [18:09] yo trixie [18:11] Cantide this was sometime ago about two years, think was a 4gb but not sure, and except for running out of space and a slight loss of speed it worked fine [18:12] if you can use an esata drive you should not see and difference. [18:12] brb fish bedtime [18:12] :) [18:24] right back [18:25] my eldest is sick :-( [18:27] not too bad hopefully? [18:28] * smile4 hugs super [18:28] * superfly [18:28] magespawn: just a cold, but a bit of a nasty one at that [18:28] how old now superfly? [18:29] aw superfly thats not good [18:29] flu? [18:29] superflu [18:29] Kilos: no, just a cold [18:29] unhehy place the cape [18:29] unheahy [18:29] sjoe [18:30] unhealthy [18:32] see ya tomorrow again [18:32] aloha :> [18:32] i'm leaving [18:32] howdy oom Kilos [18:32] cheers smile4 [18:32] good luck with your eldest, superfly [18:32] howdy superfly, Cantide [18:32] hey nuvolari :) [18:32] hi nuvolari [18:32] bye smile4 'o' [18:32] :o [18:32] is there anyone that can give me some guidance on sars efiling? [18:32] sleep tight smile4 [18:32] sjoe [18:32] I registered, but that's it. Nothing else makes sense [18:32] nuvolari: done it a few times, use the Flash interface [18:33] nuvolari: uh, can you log in? [18:33] * nuvolari is a noob when it comes to tax [18:33] superfly: yeah [18:38] nuvolari: then you should be greeted with a page that says, "Income tax work page" [18:38] on that page you'll see a list of returns at the bottom [18:38] where it says, "return type" you'll probably have an entry labeled "ITR12" [18:38] if you click on that link, it opens up the return for you [18:40] hmm, my results are empty [18:42] I'll go ask the lady at finance tomorrow. Tax is all greek to me :-/ [18:42] I'm just worried that I will get in trouble [18:45] if make mistakes you do get to correct them i think [18:48] battery is dying, no electricity last night, good night all. [18:49] night magespawn [18:49] sleep tight [18:49] night oom Kilos [18:49] lol [18:49] hehe [18:49] oh [18:49] night magespawn :P [18:49] hes chasing me [18:50] lol [18:50] ok ek sal gaan slaap man nuvolari [18:50] nee nee, oom kan bly [18:50] night all of you. sleep tight [18:50] ha ha ha [18:50] dis laterig [18:50] oh :-/ [18:50] night oom Kilos [18:51] lekker slaap :) [18:51] lekker slaap seun [18:51] haai nuvolari [18:51] is ma hulle daar [18:51] ja oom! [18:51] ek eet soos 'n koning :P [18:51] lol [18:51] hulle het darm veilig gery [18:51] stuur groete en se ma moet daai resep probeer [19:18] lol [19:19] I just got a call [19:19] asking me if I could be in prague next week [19:19] :p [19:29] so you said yes [19:29] heh prague should be fun [19:29] :p [19:29] beautiful women :p [19:30] :) [19:30] what languag do they speak? [19:30] good night! [19:30] is czech a language? [19:30] money I guess [19:30] :P [19:32] hahahaha nuvolari got it right [19:38] lol [19:38] "lots of hot czech woman want to marry YOU" [21:56] lol [21:56] don't underestimate the czechs [21:56] they have really good beer [21:57] and the czech republic is very far away from russia :P