[04:53] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn and others
[04:58] <superfly> morning Kilos 
[04:59] <jrgns> hi all
[04:59] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[04:59] <jrgns> you good?
[04:59] <Kilos> yip ty and you?
[05:00] <Kilos> always good, even when im naughty im good at it
[05:04] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:05] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[05:05] <Kilos> sjoe youre early
[05:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm always early
[05:05] <Kilos> hehe
[05:05] <inetpro> except when I'm late
[05:10] <Kilos> here is one for you clever guys. i have a network cable but ian said it must go through a router or something because both plugs are connected the same
[05:11] <Kilos> i want to know if switcheng the tx and rx pairs will give same performance or does a router boost the signal
[05:14] <Kilos> i only have the one cable and want to try connecting 2 pcs
[05:16] <Squirm> morning
[05:16] <Squirm> meh, slept in today
[05:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:42] <Digi||Gram> Kilos most new ethernet cards can handle a straight cable I hear. Tradisionally you need a cross over so that the Tx sends from one pc to the Rx on another
[05:43] <Digi||Gram> a router, switch or hub does this switching for you, so traditionally you need a straight cable for that, but new one's know how to switch straight or cross over cables
[05:43] <Kilos> ty Digi||Gram so theres nothing special the router does. apart from switching connections
[05:44] <Kilos> new ones what?
[05:45] <DigiGram> well that and it boosts the signal. You are working with a signal around 5V, so after 100m it drops to low to be usable, on cheap cables and hardware it happens after about 30m, then you need a hub/switch/router to boost the power again
[05:45] <Kilos> i got old pcs so should i cut the cable and switch those 2 pairs
[05:45] <Kilos> dont wanna blow anything
[05:45] <DigiGram> well try it first
[05:45] <Kilos> oh it wont damage anything if not swopped
[05:45] <DigiGram> you won't blow anything, plug it in, if the green LED lights up at both PC's where you plugged the cable in, then you are in business
[05:46] <DigiGram> nah, Tx sends, Rx receives. If you send to a send port it will be fine, he is used to the voltage, but can't read anything
[05:47] <Kilos> ah ty lemme check it out
[05:47] <Kilos> was scared of blowing something
[05:48] <DigiGram> Well not as far as I know
[06:07] <Kilos> aw no green light
[06:07] <Kilos> murphy lives here
[06:08] <DigiGram> then you will need a cross-over cable, or you need to cross yours
[06:09] <Kilos> i will cut and crossover, thanks
[06:28] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:36] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> whew DigiGram what a business. changed cards and this one shows green light
[06:49] <Kilos> older pc with network card in and this one connected to mb connector
[06:49] <Kilos> no light on mb to see
[06:51] <DigiGram> no light? I have only seen that on laptops
[06:52] <Kilos> lol this mb has the socket to plug in but no light
[06:52] <DigiGram> weird
[06:52] <DigiGram> well, then you have to keep an eye on the desktop notifications
[07:01] <Kilos> hehe. other pc shows connected. but this one keeps trying to connect
[07:02] <Kilos> maybe one mustnt be auto connect
[07:03] <DigiGram> ubuntu or XP?
[07:09] <Kilos> in the ipv6 settings i made it automatic dhcp only and now shows connected
[07:10] <Kilos> dunno what that means but we are connected
[07:10] <DigiGram> it just means one PC will give an IP and the other will listen
[07:10] <DigiGram> normally I make them both manual so I can choose IP's, but it's your choice
[07:11] <DigiGram> if you need the IP, you can get it with ifconfig in ubuntu or ipconfig in winblows
[07:11] <Kilos> i dont use winsucks
[07:11] <DigiGram> just making sure lol
[07:12] <Kilos> that listening bit. does that mean the other one is the boss?
[07:12] <Kilos> or is that just to connect
[07:12] <DigiGram> just for the connection
[07:13] <Kilos> great
[07:13] <Kilos> ty
[07:47] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[07:48] <Kilos> you been scarce
[08:13] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[08:13] <charlvn> yeah i have been busy
[08:13] <charlvn> how's it going
[08:15] <Kilos> ok and there
[13:15] <DigiGram> Git for noobs, what other howto's assume you know --> http://beinganengineer3.blogspot.com/2012/09/git-for-noobs.html
[13:16] <DigiGram> I'm still getting the hang of this blogging thing, so excuse the poor layout, and the, uhm, wandering off point
[13:21] <charlvn> DigiGram: nice
[13:21] <charlvn> Maaz: tell kilos sorry for not responding, got busy again, but it's going fine thanks
[13:21] <Maaz> charlvn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[13:21] <DigiGram> I started with git yesterday, so the info in there is for total n00bs
[13:22] <charlvn> DigiGram: that's a good time to write a noob howto :)
[13:22] <DigiGram> normally it is, because I could see what the other howto's assume you know
[13:23] <DigiGram> (and I didn't know lol)
[13:23] <charlvn> DigiGram: i also found git to be a bit of a mind-shift away from svn, especially since i used cvs before that
[13:23] <DigiGram> well, up until now I've worked in a folder, zipped it once a day to upload to google drive, and that was my management system lol
[13:25] <charlvn> crude but effective
[13:26] <DigiGram> lol
[13:27] <DigiGram> And working at home on some of it meant just downloading the zip, deleting the old stuff, and afterwards uploading the zip again. effective, but I want something better
[13:27] <charlvn> it's ok if you find a system that works for you as an individual but as soon as you want to start working with a larger group of developers you have a problem
[13:28] <charlvn> it's also extremely handy to be able to get a good overview of all the changes on a per-file basis
[13:29] <DigiGram> yeah, so I want to keep with the times lol
[13:30] <charlvn> well i can tell you one thing, if you go into an interview for a job as a developer, at least knowing one or two version control systems is an advantage
[13:30] <charlvn> probably any half-decent development company will use at least one type of version control system
[13:31] <DigiGram> yeah well, nobody will hire me as a developer lol
[13:32] <charlvn> lol ok
[13:34] <charlvn> ok i am off bbl
[13:42] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[13:42] <Symmetria> this country and its BBBEE rules 
[13:42] <Symmetria> are stupid and a pain in the ass
[13:43] <DigiGram> lol
[13:43] <Symmetria> I had to spend THOUSANDS getting documentation to show that I was actually allowed to do business with certain people 
[13:43] <Symmetria> (if your turnover is less than X, you are automatically certified with a black economic empowerment status level)
[13:44] <Symmetria> problem is gonna come next year when I go well over that turnover level 
[13:46] <Kilos> hmm
[13:46] <Kilos> the trials and tribulations of the idle rich
[13:47] <Kilos> Symmetria, be like the rest of them, a coupla backhands gets you anything
[13:53] <superfly> DigiGram: if you want to deal with the pain in the nether regions, you should use git-flow. if you want to use a more sane version control, you can try bzr
[13:53] <DigiGram> I tried bzr onces, quickly decided to rather use my zip file again lol
[13:53] <DigiGram> I'll try git-flow, but I'm liking git for my purpouses currently
[13:54] <superfly> git-flow is a plugin that works on top of git to make it vaguely useable
[13:55] <superfly> dunno why you think git is easier than bzr, since bzr is much simpler
[13:55] <DigiGram> nah, maybe I had another issue with it and just stopped. maybe I just had more patience when I tried git
[13:56] <Kilos> Symmetria, no dont
[13:59] <Squirm> afternoon
[13:59] <Squirm> hmm, couldnt get this pinning thing
[14:02] <Squirm> hmm, foubd the man page
[15:29] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:19] <inetpro> good evenings
[16:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[16:20] <inetpro> Kilos: sup?
[16:20] <inetpro> what did I miss today?
[16:20] <Kilos> temp for a while
[16:20] <Kilos> bad again thursday
[16:20] <inetpro> huh?
[16:20] <Kilos> i wasnt on all day
[16:21] <Kilos> they say thursday gonna be freezing again
[16:21] <inetpro> ahh
[16:22] <Kilos> whats news your side
[16:22]  * inetpro been busy afk today
[16:22] <Kilos> everyone busy busy busy
[16:23] <inetpro> eish, I see Thursday might be very cold again
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[16:23] <inetpro> oh and Friday worse
[16:23] <Kilos> oh my
[16:23] <inetpro> and Saturday even ,more so
[16:23]  * Kilos cries. was just starting to warm up
[16:24] <inetpro> well I hope we'll get some rains
[16:24] <inetpro> looks like it may even start raining tomorrow
[16:27] <Kilos> we need rain very very bad
[16:28] <Kilos> ran the hosepipe a few times and after an hour its only wet like 2 feet and then soaks away
[16:42] <Symmetria> was raining here last night
[16:42] <Symmetria> no rain today but holy hell its cold
[16:43] <Symmetria> lol, anyone here run dlink home equipment?
[16:43] <Symmetria> here is a hint... don't try multicast through it :p
[16:48] <Kerbero> lol
[16:48] <Kerbero> i'm not surprised
[16:48] <Kerbero> i have a dlink 5port gigabit switch
[16:48] <Kerbero> not using it atm
[16:48] <Symmetria> Kerbero lol, we tested it with 4 different delink devices
[16:48] <Symmetria> oops I mean dlink :p
[16:49] <Symmetria> the longest time we managed without the device rebooting was 7 minutes
[16:49] <Symmetria> :P
[16:49] <Symmetria> the shortest was 3 minutes 
[16:49] <Kerbero> lol
[16:49] <Kerbero> don't they just broadcast the multicast packets?
[16:50] <Symmetria> no, they reboot themselves
[16:50] <Symmetria> :p
[16:50] <Kerbero> ai ai
[16:50] <Kerbero> i should try it with mine
[16:51] <Kerbero> multicast has been defined a long time ago
[16:51] <Kerbero> why does so little stuff support it correctly
[16:51] <Kerbero> *few
[16:52] <Tonberry> *little
[16:52] <Kerbero> ai
[16:52] <Symmetria> heh its supported at a lan type level on any proper corporate lan switch
[16:52] <Kerbero> :(
[16:52] <Symmetria> on a wan layer / internet layer, *shrug* its viewed as a dark art that only academics are stupid enough to play with
[16:52] <Symmetria> :p
[16:52] <Tonberry> few things dalk
[16:53] <Kerbero> Symmetria: is there a way i can dial a vpn to one of your routers to get routed ipv6 to experiment with?
[16:54] <Symmetria> Kerbero no, your best bet is to use the free vpn's from HE 
[16:54] <Kerbero> HE?
[16:55] <Symmetria> hurricane electric
[16:55] <Kerbero> ahh
[16:55] <Symmetria> google for hurricane electric tunnel broker
[16:55] <Symmetria> :)
[16:55] <Trixar_za> What?
[16:56] <Kerbero> o that is perfect
[16:57] <Trixar_za> Oh, thought it was like Do a Barrel Roll
[16:58] <Trixar_za> or tilt and askew
[17:15] <Cantide> boot-repair worked for me tonight
[17:15] <Cantide> note to self: stop kicking your HDD's while your PC is on
[17:24] <Kerbero> this is not going to work :(
[17:24] <Kerbero> to get internet access i have to use a proxy server
[17:24] <Kerbero> and it does not seem like tunnelbroker supports a proxy like openvpn does
[17:34] <Kilos> Cantide, boot-repair is tricky if you have more than one drive and take the second one out to use somewhere else
[17:36] <Cantide> i removed my Windoze HDD before trying it out
[17:36] <Cantide> i can just plug it back in and change boot options in my bios if need be
[17:36] <Cantide> but i haven't used Windoze in a few months :p no loss
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Kilos> if you do it with 2 linux drives and want to use the second one in another machine give me a shout first
[17:40] <Kilos> there is a trick to doing it
[17:41] <Cantide> haha
[17:41] <Cantide> okay, will do :p
[17:41] <Kilos> im serious
[17:41] <Cantide> i only have one linux OS drive
[17:41] <Cantide> and one storage drive
[17:41] <Kilos> ah
[17:41] <Cantide> chances are i will keep it this way
[17:41] <Kilos> i have 3
[17:47] <Kilos> what i really like about ubuntu is one is able to remove a drive and use it in another machine without hassles
[17:47] <Kilos> try that with winsucks
[17:48] <Cantide> :p
[17:49] <Cantide> that's what's awesome about installing it on a usb drive
[17:49] <Cantide> not that i have as yet
[18:01] <magespawn> evening all
[18:02] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[18:02] <magespawn> howdy Kilos
[18:03] <magespawn> i have run laptops from the flash drive before
[18:04] <magespawn> just to tack than on to the end of your guys converstion
[18:04] <Cantide> hi :)
[18:04] <Cantide> and how well did it work?
[18:04] <Kilos> i will get me a nice fat stick one of these days and give it a go
[18:06] <Kilos> aw kbmonkey is gone
[18:07] <Cantide> I have an 8 GB USB 3 one, it's a good candidate...
[18:07] <Kilos> haai nuvolari het hy darem pos geantwoord
[18:07] <Kilos> yeah 8g is fine
[18:08] <Kilos> im running 11.04 on a 6g ide drive
[18:09] <Kilos> yo trixie
[18:11] <magespawn> Cantide this was sometime ago about two years, think was a 4gb but not sure, and except for running out of space and a slight loss of speed it worked fine
[18:12] <magespawn> if you can use an esata drive you should not see and difference.
[18:12] <magespawn> brb fish bedtime
[18:12] <Cantide> :)
[18:24] <magespawn> right back
[18:25] <superfly> my eldest is sick :-(
[18:27] <magespawn> not too bad hopefully?
[18:28]  * smile4 hugs super
[18:28] <smile4> * superfly
[18:28] <superfly> magespawn: just a cold, but a bit of a nasty one at that
[18:28] <magespawn> how old now superfly?
[18:29] <Kilos> aw superfly thats not good
[18:29] <Kilos> flu?
[18:29] <Cantide> superflu
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: no, just a cold
[18:29] <Kilos> unhehy place the cape
[18:29] <Kilos> unheahy
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:30] <Kilos> unhealthy
[18:32] <smile4> see ya tomorrow again
[18:32] <nuvolari> aloha :>
[18:32] <smile4> i'm leaving
[18:32] <nuvolari> howdy oom Kilos 
[18:32] <nuvolari> cheers smile4 
[18:32] <smile4> good luck with your eldest, superfly
[18:32] <nuvolari> howdy superfly, Cantide 
[18:32] <Cantide> hey nuvolari :)
[18:32] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[18:32] <Cantide> bye smile4 'o'
[18:32] <smile4> :o
[18:32] <nuvolari> is there anyone that can give me some guidance on sars efiling?
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight smile4 
[18:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:32] <nuvolari> I registered, but that's it. Nothing else makes sense
[18:32] <superfly> nuvolari: done it a few times, use the Flash interface
[18:33] <superfly> nuvolari: uh, can you log in?
[18:33]  * nuvolari is a noob when it comes to tax
[18:33] <nuvolari> superfly: yeah
[18:38] <superfly> nuvolari: then you should be greeted with a page that says, "Income tax work page"
[18:38] <superfly> on that page you'll see a list of returns at the bottom
[18:38] <superfly> where it says, "return type" you'll probably have an entry labeled "ITR12"
[18:38] <superfly> if you click on that link, it opens up the return for you
[18:40] <nuvolari> hmm, my results are empty 
[18:42] <nuvolari> I'll go ask the lady at finance tomorrow. Tax is all greek to me :-/
[18:42] <nuvolari> I'm just worried that I will get in trouble
[18:45] <magespawn> if make mistakes you do get to correct them i think
[18:48] <magespawn> battery is dying, no electricity last night, good night all.
[18:49] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[18:49] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:49] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[18:49] <magespawn> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49] <nuvolari> oh
[18:49] <nuvolari> night magespawn :P
[18:49] <Kilos> hes chasing me
[18:50] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <Kilos> ok ek sal gaan slaap man nuvolari 
[18:50] <nuvolari> nee nee, oom kan bly
[18:50] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[18:50] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:50] <Kilos> dis laterig
[18:50] <nuvolari> oh :-/
[18:50] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[18:51] <nuvolari> lekker slaap :)
[18:51] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun
[18:51] <Kilos> haai nuvolari 
[18:51] <Kilos> is ma hulle daar
[18:51] <nuvolari> ja oom!
[18:51] <nuvolari> ek eet soos 'n koning :P
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <nuvolari> hulle het darm veilig gery
[18:51] <Kilos> stuur groete en se ma moet daai resep probeer
[19:18] <Symmetria> lol
[19:19] <Symmetria> I just got a call
[19:19] <Symmetria> asking me if I could be in prague next week
[19:19] <Symmetria> :p
[19:29] <Banlam> so you said yes
[19:29] <Symmetria> heh prague should be fun
[19:29] <Symmetria> :p
[19:29] <Symmetria> beautiful women :p
[19:30] <Banlam> :)
[19:30] <Banlam> what languag do they speak?
[19:30] <Cantide> good night!
[19:30] <Banlam> is czech a language?
[19:30] <nuvolari> money I guess
[19:30] <nuvolari> :P
[19:32] <Symmetria> hahahaha nuvolari got it right
[19:38] <Banlam> lol
[19:38] <Banlam> "lots of hot czech woman want to marry YOU"
[21:56] <Kerbero> lol
[21:56] <Kerbero> don't underestimate the czechs
[21:56] <Kerbero> they have really good beer
[21:57] <Kerbero> and the czech republic is very far away from russia :P