/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

shadeslayerSteveRiley: ping04:45
shadeslayerdid you just get a Event Brite invitation? or a more proper email?04:46
shadeslayerI've not been to UDS for the last 3 years, so clearly things have changed04:46
shadeslayer( somehow that eventbrite invitation landed in my spam )04:46
shadeslayeror if anyone else got that ^04:47
micahgshadeslayer: yes, I think that's the new system (for this round at least)04:48
shadeslayeralright, I'm coming to UDS then \o/04:48
shadeslayermicahg: for some reason it doesn't say what's sponsored and what's not though04:48
micahgshadeslayer: I saw you in Florida 2 years ago IIRC04:49
shadeslayermicahg: yes04:49
shadeslayer10.10 right?04:49
micahgno, 11.0404:49
shadeslayerah ok04:49
* shadeslayer just got up, needs coffee04:49
micahgMaverick (brussels) was my first UDS04:49
shadeslayer:D04:49
shadeslayer11.04 was my first ... after that something or the other came up and prevented me from attending04:50
Tm_Tnew KTP in PPA, nice05:20
shadeslayer:)05:27
shadeslayerlet me know if you find issues05:27
Tm_Talso, looks like I got sponsorship to UDS05:27
shadeslayer\o/05:27
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=== em_ is now known as em
Quintasanshadeslayer: It's just me who didn't get sponsorship mail yet T_T06:20
shadeslayerQuintasan: check your spam folder06:22
shadeslayer'twas there for me06:22
shadeslayerit'll be a event brite email06:22
Quintasanlawl06:22
shadeslayergot it?06:22
Quintasannope06:23
Quintasannot there06:23
shadeslayeroh hmm06:23
Quintasanin:anywhere Event Brite didn't yield anything relevant06:23
jussiI didnt get sponsored.....06:24
shadeslayermaybe sometime today?06:24
jussioh wait, I didnt apply :P06:24
shadeslayerlol06:24
shadeslayerso no kookies for me, sigh06:24
jussishadeslayer: that doesnt mean Im not coming...06:24
shadeslayeroh :D06:24
Quintasanlol jussi06:24
shadeslayerright, you're in Euro06:25
shadeslayer*Europe06:25
jussishadeslayer: its a "maybe" at the moment06:25
QuintasanI DARE YOU TO BRING THOSE DAMN FINNISH SWEETS06:25
QuintasanI DARE YOU jussi06:25
jussiQuintasan: hahaha06:25
shadeslayerwhat finnish sweets06:25
jussithe salty ones or the hot ones?06:25
QuintasanI think you gave me the salty one06:25
jussihehe06:25
QuintasanBecause I think I could handle the hot one06:26
jussiyou can probably buy them in denmark...06:26
Quintasanshadeslayer: God knows how do they call them but the salty one is awful06:26
jussiSalmiakki06:26
Quintasan!!!!06:26
* Quintasan notes the name of the devil's artifact06:26
jussihaha06:26
shadeslayeroh yay, sweets that are not sweets06:26
jussishadeslayer: oh they have sugar...06:27
shadeslayerI like those, sugary things make me want to vomit :P06:27
shadeslayeroh06:27
jussijust salt also06:27
jussiits liquorice based06:27
Quintasanshadeslayer: If you think you like salty things then your will reconsider if jussi gives you one06:28
Quintasan:P06:28
jussihehe06:28
Quintasanshadeslayer: >mfw jussi gave me one06:29
Quintasanhttp://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/10419500/10419640_4f0d_625x625.jpg06:29
jussihaha06:30
QuintasanChrist, let me know if I should get money for UDS or not06:31
* Quintasan wonders if he can find work fast enough.06:31
shadeslayerhaha06:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: jussi listen to this : http://www.youtube.com/user/cokestudioatmtv?feature=results_main06:39
Quintasanshadeslayer sending me music06:40
Quintasanwhat kind of sorcery is that06:40
shadeslayerthe best kind06:40
QuintasanWon't say I understand anything they sing but the music is nice06:41
shadeslayer:)06:43
QuintasanHowever06:43
Quintasanyou can't beat this06:43
Quintasanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k06:43
shadeslayerbasically, the singer is singing out the musical notes in that video06:44
Quintasanoh06:44
shadeslayersee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swara06:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: and that's just one song, listen to the other playlists there06:50
shadeslayerso, who's on precise?06:51
shadeslayerand likes Firefox06:51
shadeslayer"Michal Zajac is now Offline"06:55
shadeslayerhehe06:56
agateaubambee: great to hear your nephew likes KidMP :)07:05
soeehmm when i try to run updates with muon i have this error message: operations can not be performed until a valid authorization07:59
soeeso all updates i have to do using terminal and going sudo07:59
soeemuon should prompt for password (and did it before) but even then there was a problem with locking08:00
soeeis it possible that this problems are caused by GNOME? I have installed KDE on normal Ubuntu installation08:01
soeeit was 11.04 -> installed KDE -> upgrade 12.0408:01
tsdgeoslol, my public launchpad bug just got marked as duplicate of a private one08:21
tsdgeoswhat's the point of that?08:22
tsdgeosis there any chance that https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045755 is owned by any of the distro guys here and make it public so i can see what my bug was marked as duplicate?08:23
ubottuError: malone bug 1045755 not found08:23
bambeePrecise is an excellent LTS... really... kde 4.8 is really stable and fast :)08:24
tsdgeosRiddell: okular moving to universe?08:35
Riddelltsdgeos: it's in universe08:38
Riddellalmost all of kde has been moved there08:38
Riddellwhich is good, less faff and no translations in launchpad08:38
tsdgeosRiddell: maybe now you can fix the packaging and include the epub backend?08:38
tsdgeosoh it's there already08:38
* tsdgeos hits himself08:38
Riddellyep, another advantage08:39
Riddellokular-extra-backends.install:usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_epub.so08:39
tsdgeosRiddell: so you can set https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdegraphics/+bug/277007 as fixed then ;-)08:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277007 in kdegraphics (Ubuntu) "The package claims to support CHM files but it does not" [Wishlist,Fix released]08:40
Riddellit's already set to fixed08:40
Riddellokular-extra-backends.install:usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_chmlib.so08:40
tsdgeoswell08:40
tsdgeosjust half of it08:40
tsdgeosthe other half says unconfirmed or something08:40
tsdgeos Unknown 08:41
Riddellhmm, I don't know if I can correct that08:43
Riddell!testers08:47
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em08:47
Riddellmega beta 1 testing needed08:47
soeemega?08:47
Riddellas in everything needs tested by tomorrow08:47
shadeslayertsdgeos: that bug is already public08:54
shadeslayerah someone marked it public 20 minutes ago08:55
tsdgeosshadeslayer: sure, because i complained ;-)08:55
shadeslayer^_^08:55
shadeslayerI hope I don't exceed my 3G Data usage08:56
* Riddell feels left out without confirmation or not of uds sponsorship09:12
Riddellagateau: did you apply for sponsorship?09:12
agateauRiddell: I did09:12
Riddellagateau: get anything back?09:12
agateauRiddell: not yet09:13
* agateau checks09:13
Riddellhmm, I hope they don't hold a grudge against us!09:13
agateauRiddell: i assume we would at least receive a refusal message09:14
shadeslayeragateau: Riddell check yer spam09:19
agateaushadeslayer: I just did09:19
shadeslayerah ok09:19
shadeslayerthey're being slow, that's what it is :)09:19
shadeslayer( my invitation was in Spam )09:19
Tm_Tmine was in spam folder also09:27
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1045755] assistant-qt4 crashed with SIGSEGV in MainWindow::updateApplicationFont() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045755 (by Alexander Langanke)09:28
Riddellshadeslayer: err aye, in my spam it is09:39
Riddellagateau: worth double checking09:39
agateauRiddell: who's the sender?09:41
Riddell invite@eventbrite.com09:41
agateauthanks09:42
agateauRiddell: nope, no luck for me :/09:44
agateauI mean, no mail09:44
Riddellagateau: mhall119 is the guy to nudge I beleive09:45
agateauok09:45
RiddellTm_T: you're coming?09:45
agateauRiddell: so, are you sponsored?09:46
Riddellagateau: yep, they still like me09:46
agateaugood :)09:46
agateauRiddell: when did it arrive?09:47
Riddell11:08 (23 hours ago)09:47
agateauok, I'll wait until tomorrow then09:48
Riddellafiestas, apol_: either of you apply?09:48
apol_Riddell: for UDS? I didn't09:49
shadeslayerRiddell: w00t :D09:58
afiestasRiddell: i did, didn0t giot any email09:59
afiestasshould I get one either way?09:59
Riddellafiestas: unsure, agateau is also lacking one09:59
Riddellafiestas: did you check spam?09:59
Tm_TRiddell: I will try, still have to convince my employer and then home10:00
afiestasRiddell: nope10:00
Riddellafiestas: check spam for invite@eventbrite.com10:01
afiestasmmm nope10:01
Riddellshadeslayer: yay your plasma-desktop init script patch worked, you're a genius10:03
shadeslayer:)10:03
Riddellafiestas: nudge mhall119 if you don't get one soon10:04
shadeslayerany ideas what should I link against if I use KNotifyConfigWidget?10:04
Riddellshadeslayer: libknotifyconfig.so ?10:07
Riddellat a guess10:07
shadeslayersure, but I can't find the appropriate var name :D10:07
shadeslayerfor CMakeLists10:07
Riddell./src/CMakeLists.txt:        ${KDE4_KNOTIFYCONFIG_LIBRARY}10:08
Riddellsays konsole sources10:08
shadeslayer<310:08
Riddellmm, this beta image is much better than yesterdays, whatever was making it boot up slow has gone too10:09
shadeslayerhah :D10:10
shadeslayerjust need to figure out the notificationrc file now10:11
Riddellremember to killall knotify4 before testing any changes to it10:12
Riddellseen people waste whole days wondering why changes don't make any difference on that10:13
shadeslayerhehe :)10:14
RiddellJontheEchidna: does qapt need to create its own index on first use?10:24
Riddellor is that a xapian thing I see the progress bar for in the corner of muon?10:24
Riddellmm must be, update-apt-xapian is running10:24
apacheloggerRiddell: I do wonder, did you start muon right after login of a new system?10:31
RiddellI did this time yes10:32
apacheloggerbecause I very much believe the update ought to be triggered by update checking which does not kick in until 1 minute after kded was started10:32
Riddellah then I might be testing too much :)10:32
apachelogger*update of xapian being triggered by muon's update notifier that is ^^10:32
apacheloggerRiddell: yah, it's a marginal design issue10:32
apacheloggerwell "issue"10:33
apacheloggerif we had not moved update checking back one minute it would xapian update right at login10:33
apacheloggersuffice to say that this would make first login even more sluggish10:33
apacheloggermhhhh10:49
shadeslayerwhee, per contact notifications done in ktp :)10:54
Riddellshadeslayer: what does that mean?10:55
Riddell"I only want to be bothered by shadeslayer, nobody else is worthy of a popup on my screen"?10:55
shadeslayerRiddell: now you can stalk people as they come online10:55
shadeslayeryes :P10:55
shadeslayeryou can change the settings so that there's a notification as soon as I come online10:56
Riddellat last, I'll never miss your presense again! :)10:56
shadeslayer^_^10:57
shadeslayernext up is jussi's request for password protected jabber chatrooms10:57
apacheloggeroh10:57
apacheloggerI forgot meta-kde10:57
apacheloggerwooh10:57
apacheloggeralso10:57
shadeslayer^_^10:57
apacheloggerRiddell: why is no one using meta-kde bzr branch? Oo10:57
apacheloggerah10:58
apacheloggeronly ubuntu3 missing10:58
shadeslayer-> goes off to find something to eat10:58
apachelogger(as usual)10:58
jussishadeslayer: +++++++++++++10:58
shadeslayerbbl10:58
apacheloggerfuny how we have ubuntu3 not in the archive :O10:58
apacheloggerRiddell: what's up with that?10:58
Riddellapachelogger: my fail?10:59
apacheloggerwell, you upped it to ninjas10:59
apachelogger  * Bump to 4.9.010:59
apachelogger -- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>   Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:06:05 +010010:59
apacheloggerI guess we'll simply do 4.9.1 as ubuntu3 upload to archive11:00
Riddellapachelogger: that would save me from looking bad :)11:00
apachelogger^^11:01
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, if you have a minute ... https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages do you get 404s when trying to access files there?11:01
apacheloggerbeen getting them with buildlogs too, so it is getting a bit suspicious11:02
Riddellapachelogger: analitza_4.9.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc  downloads fine11:03
apacheloggerRiddell: and meta-kde?11:03
Riddellkde-full_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1_all.deb and kdemultimedia_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1_all.deb: fine 11:04
Riddellmeta-kde_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1.dsc fine too11:04
apacheloggerhm, so lunchpad really doesn't like me11:05
apachelogger-.-11:05
Riddellmaybe so11:05
Riddellapachelogger: let me know if you need me to download anything11:05
apacheloggeroh la la11:17
apacheloggershadeslayer commited a new upstream release to kde4libs and that is now messing with my dpkg-build11:18
apacheloggerboohooo I say, good sir11:18
JontheEchidnaRiddell: libqapt will need the apt xapian index to be present before search functionality will work, yes.11:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does update notifier trigger that?11:20
JontheEchidnaCurrently, when a LibQApt client initializes the QApt::Backend object, it compares the time stamp of the apt cache and xapian cache.11:20
JontheEchidnaand then uses the qapt worker to invoke update-apt-xapian-index as root11:20
JontheEchidnathe notifier doesn't have anything to do with it tho11:20
JontheEchidnabut perhaps it could, as it takes ~5-15 seconds to build the cache from scratch11:21
JontheEchidnamaking a ~5-15 second peroid where search will not work right off the bat11:21
JontheEchidnaif the notifier did that, we could hope that the notifier's xapian update will get done before the user wants to start up the muon package manager11:21
JontheEchidnawas that your thought?11:22
apacheloggeraye11:22
apacheloggerI think only the first start scenario is affected anyway11:22
JontheEchidnamakes a good bit of sense. I gotta get ready for classes tho11:22
apacheloggerafter that IIRC xapian will update automatically when something in the database changes, no?11:22
apacheloggerotherwise it would be even better11:22
JontheEchidnaI seem to have to manually invoke it whenever the apt cache changes11:23
apachelogger90% of cases you do not log in and start the package manager right away11:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: why that is sort of spooky11:23
JontheEchidnawell, it's not a daemon, so....11:23
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apacheloggerin that case periodic triggers via the update daemon would be cool ;)11:23
JontheEchidnaI think it has a daily cron job or smth11:23
JontheEchidnanvm, it doesn't11:24
apacheloggerI realize it is not a daemon, but there certainly could/should be some sort of hook functionality to enable it to do smaller incremental updates than once a day, or once someone triggers it11:24
JontheEchidnayeah, that'd be nice. though it does go a lot quicker if there's a cache already and you invoke an update over dbus11:26
JontheEchidnacompared to starting with nothing11:26
JontheEchidnaall I know is that somehow it provides sub-100 ms searches (in most cases) that provide mostly relevant results (in most cases)11:27
apacheloggeryeah, but from a purely architectural pov that still can turn out bad when between two updates a large number of changes occured11:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: sorry about that, didn't realize that the script pushed changes as well11:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah it does11:27
* apachelogger does not like it11:27
shadeslayerindeed, I realized it after it had pushed it11:28
apacheloggerI will probably work on a design proposal that allows for better scaling11:28
shadeslayer:)11:28
apacheloggeri.e. the you-need-to-restart-from-sctach-on-fail is pissing me off royally11:28
shadeslayerhaha 11:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you push more than kde4libs?11:29
shadeslayerso, this hospital is weird ... no 4th and 13th floors11:29
apachelogger:O11:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't *think* so, but I could be wrong11:29
JontheEchidnacovering both the chinese and western superstitions, I suppose11:30
apacheloggerlol11:30
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: didn't realize there was a superstition about the 4th floor11:30
* apachelogger mumbles something about needing a hair cut and starts a search for the holy grail^Wphone11:31
JontheEchidnaapparently the word for "4" sounds like "hell" in chinese11:31
shadeslayeroh .. wow11:31
JontheEchidnaso it's considered unlucky11:31
apacheloggerwhy that was obvious11:32
RiddellI did wonder if we should jump straight to KDE 5 back in the day, but the chinese guy I asked said not to worry11:32
JontheEchidna:P11:32
apacheloggergood news everyone!11:32
shadeslayer:D11:32
apacheloggerhalf of .1 was not uploaded and I do not know why11:32
shadeslayerlol11:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: I did see half of .1 in ninjas and assumed you uploaded it11:33
shadeslayeron purpose11:33
apacheloggerwell, I uploaded all except the 3 pkgs that did not build a source11:33
shadeslayerhm11:33
apacheloggerand according to dput's upload files everything was upped11:33
apacheloggerhttp://paste.kde.org/544352/11:34
shadeslayerlaunchpad was hungry and ate them11:35
apacheloggeryah11:35
apacheloggerlunchpad doesn't like me anymore it seems11:36
apacheloggerit's also not like I got an email about it being rejected or anything11:36
shadeslayermaybe they got rejected ?11:36
shadeslayerah ...11:36
shadeslayeremail about it being accepted ?11:36
apacheloggerwell they clearly got rejected11:36
apacheloggerlunchpad just doesn't tell me about it11:36
apachelogger(there is no record of lunchpad ever knowing about the package)11:37
apacheloggerohooooo!11:37
apacheloggerthey are not signed11:38
apacheloggerhrrhrr11:39
apacheloggerprobably was bad copy'n'paste on my part, one line being newlined before the end screwing up half the signing11:42
Riddellanyone able to test beta 1 candidate amd64 CD? since someone has reported plasma crashes on startup on it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22548/testcases11:47
apacheloggerno stick available11:48
* apachelogger complains about the lack of backtrace11:50
Riddellclaydoh: yo11:52
claydohhi Riddell just got home, and irc back online11:52
claydohwill be doing release stuff today after sleep, then I get to replace motherboard in my laptop yay!11:53
Riddellthanks claydoh  :)11:57
apacheloggerRiddell: bzr: ERROR: An error (1) occurred running quilt: Patch kubuntu_plasma_init_script.diff does not exist11:58
apacheloggerkde-workspace11:58
apacheloggeryou forgot to commit the diff11:59
apachelogger(bzr issues sure a common these days :()11:59
Riddellgah11:59
Riddellapachelogger: committed12:00
apacheloggerdanke12:00
claydohRiddell: apachelogger: anything you or anyone feels needing inclusion in the notes, please let me know12:02
BluesKajhowdy folks12:06
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apacheloggershadeslayer: did you push your missing commit to kdenetwork yet?12:10
apachelogger15 packages still missing from ninjas12:23
apacheloggerhttp://paste.kde.org/544370/12:23
apacheloggerif anyone wants to pick that up, I'll be away for an hour or so12:23
apacheloggeralso libs is ftbfs12:23
apacheloggerhooray12:23
apacheloggerlibs needs the so names changed everywhere to .112:27
* apachelogger gone now12:27
Riddellhi mparillo 12:53
mparilloRiddell: Hi.12:54
Riddellclaydoh: search through my posts to release-team to get feature updates12:59
shadeslayerhuh ? my missing commit ? also I will most likely not be able to do a lot today, most likely tomorrow ...13:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^13:05
shadeslayeronly have 75 MB's of data left :P13:07
Riddellnobody type anything, it'll waste shadeslayer's bandwidth!13:12
shadeslayer^_^13:12
Riddellshadeslayer: how come you're so short?13:12
shadeslayerRiddell: not at home, and recharged with the cheapest plan that was available for data13:13
shadeslayerI didn't realize I would be staying at the hospital overnight13:14
Riddellmm, someone ill?13:14
shadeslayeryeah, my uncle ...13:15
Riddellbest of luck with that then13:16
shadeslayeroh, they say they'll discharge him tomorrow :)13:17
shadeslayercould someone test ff from : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra13:18
* Riddell installs13:25
Riddellshadeslayer: starts up, what am I looking for?13:26
shadeslayerRiddell: things like the save dialog should be the one from KDE13:27
Riddellshadeslayer: nope :(13:27
shadeslayerO_o13:27
shadeslayercorrect version et all ?13:27
Riddellfirefox: Installed: 15.0+build1-0ubuntu2~ppa313:28
Riddellseems to be13:28
shadeslayerRiddell: what about the open dialog13:30
shadeslayerand by save dialog I mean the ui that pops up and asks where you want to save things13:30
Riddellshadeslayer: ugly and gtk13:30
shadeslayerhumbug13:30
debfxScottK: if no one is working on the ibus stuff we should separate it from 4.8.5 and upload it proposed13:33
shadeslayerRiddell: precise ?13:36
shadeslayernvm13:38
shadeslayerRiddell: works just fine here13:42
shadeslayerhow odd13:44
shadeslayerah I know13:44
shadeslayerRiddell: you need Firefox-kde-support13:44
shadeslayerRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde13:46
BluesKajshadeslayer, is that still FF 14.1 in the ppa ? or is it upgraded to 15 yet ?13:48
shadeslayerBluesKaj: I need testers for precise + ff 1513:49
shadeslayersee backlog13:49
BluesKajok , I'm on quantal here ... my precise install is maintained with stable apps , hence my stable fallback OS 13:52
shadeslayerhmm , you can test for quantal as well13:54
BluesKajshadeslayer, ok I'll test FF 15 on quantal if you wish 13:55
shadeslayer:(13:55
shadeslayererm13:55
shadeslayer:)13:55
BluesKajyeah :)13:55
shadeslayermake sure you install Firefox-kde-support from the blue shell ppa13:56
apachelogger:(13:56
* shadeslayer tickles apachelogger13:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: you uploadered kdednetwork but did not commit/push to bzr13:57
shadeslayerah13:57
apacheloggerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+changelog13:57
* shadeslayer tickles apachelogger some more13:57
apacheloggerthe mighty lunchpad knows it all13:57
apacheloggeranyone uploaded anything while I was away?13:58
apacheloggerWRT .113:58
shadeslayerdon't think so13:59
apacheloggeru all lazy, me sad13:59
ScottKdebfx: OK.  There'a also a Kamera patch that just went into Debian we probably want.14:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: just strapped for bandwidth today14:01
apacheloggerit's because Riddell types so much!14:02
shadeslayer:P14:02
* apachelogger picks nose while waiting for kdelibs to proudce a source pkg14:03
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1011961] sftp connection with password fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011961 (by Arrigo Marchiori)14:06
Riddellshadeslayer: mm, nice and KDE now14:06
apacheloggerwhat's this then? bug day?14:06
shadeslayeryay14:06
BluesKajshadeslayer, is that a different FF-kde-support than the one for 14.1 ?14:08
BluesKajbecause I have FF kde-support already installed 14:09
shadeslayerBluesKaj: nope, that's fine14:10
shadeslayerjust upgrade ff14:10
BluesKajshadeslayer, ok good14:10
BluesKajyup already did 14:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: me thinks we can drop kde.js14:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: me thinks we can drop kde.js when the mighty opensuse does14:11
shadeslayerjust need to talk to opensuse people as to why they have it14:11
shadeslayeryeah14:11
shadeslayerask wstephenson14:12
shadeslayer*will ask ...14:12
shadeslayerQuintasan_: did you get some sort of confirmation for UDS?14:34
apacheloggerRiddell: I can reproduce the crashery of plasma on amd6415:06
apacheloggerqt 4.8.2 bug that is15:06
apacheloggeractually15:11
apacheloggerRiddell: are we going for .3 in quantal?15:11
Quintasan_YES15:16
Quintasan_THEY FIXED MY INTERNET15:16
Quintasan_shadeslayer: 15:16
Quintasan_nope15:16
Quintasan_not yet, strange15:16
apachelogger:(15:16
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sreichoh man i know that feeling..broken internet15:16
shadeslayerheh15:16
* apachelogger tickles Quintasan15:16
Quintasanapachelogger: what?15:17
QuintasanI didn't break anything15:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: I was born with a broken internet, you merely adopted it15:17
* apachelogger shrugs and fires up the dragon15:18
Quintasanshadeslayer: What was the sender name again?15:18
shadeslayeruh15:18
shadeslayerinvite@eventbrite.com15:19
Quintasannope15:20
Quintasannothing15:20
QuintasanWho do I blame for this?15:20
shadeslayerask Marianna or Mhall15:20
shadeslayersooo ..... no precise users?15:25
apacheloggerRiddell: I can't backtrace tho :(15:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: no15:26
apacheloggerI use maverick15:27
shadeslayergood on you15:27
Quintasanshadeslayer: Ha, mhall said some mails didn15:40
Quintasandidn't make it15:40
shadeslayerso you're coming?15:40
Quintasandunno15:41
shadeslayerah ok15:41
JontheEchidnahaha, my dad sent me this link: http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2012/9/4/how-to-judge.html15:42
JontheEchidnaI'm fairly sure we've had the conversation on the bottom-left panel ;-)15:42
apacheloggerlol15:51
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Riddellapachelogger: uh oh, does it just crash on boot up?15:59
apacheloggeryep16:01
apacheloggerwell, when you choose the login option and the session starts16:01
Riddelldamn16:02
apacheloggerI actually cannot find the Qt bug16:02
apacheloggerbut it is the same crash as seen here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30591316:02
ubottuKDE bug 305913 in general "Kate crashes upon startup" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate]16:02
apacheloggerI think amarok has that too16:02
Riddellug16:03
Riddellqscript to blame?16:06
Riddellcould be patch kubuntu_36_qtscript_64bit.diff recommended by KDevelop authors. Fix JIT crash on x86-6416:06
apacheloggeroh, very possible16:07
apacheloggerI only saw kubuntu based reports thus far16:07
Riddellapachelogger: if you can't get a backtrace what makes you think it's https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305913 ?16:08
ubottuKDE bug 305913 in general "Kate crashes upon startup" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate]16:08
apacheloggerRiddell: unless qtscript is completely broken there ought not be that many reasons to crash in a ctor16:08
Riddellhmm, I wonder how to assess how common this bug is, would be bad to release a beta which crashes on boot up for lots of people16:10
* apachelogger needs to look at patch16:10
apacheloggerRiddell: I'd say potentially all of 64bit is affected though16:11
Riddellworked fine for me16:11
apacheloggerwell, I only tried in vbox so all of vbox + 64bit ;)16:12
apacheloggerwe do have a lot of patches in qt16:13
apacheloggerread: we have too many patches in qt16:14
apacheloggerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_fix_build_glib_231.diff16:16
BluesKajapachelogger, some are probly needed , getting Qt errors in kate segfaults here on quantal 16:16
apacheloggerhalf a year is a long temporary16:16
apacheloggerBluesKaj: huh?16:16
apacheloggerplease elaborate16:16
apacheloggerdanimo: when is qt 4.8.3 due? I noticed it is already tagged16:17
BluesKajwish I would have saved that last pastebin ..hangon16:17
danimoapachelogger: I have no idea frankly16:17
danimoapachelogger: did you try asking in #qt-labs?16:17
apacheloggernah, too lazy16:17
danimoapachelogger: I think due to the transfer things got a bit deferred16:18
Riddellrdieter: I see bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305718 is reported on fedora too, do you use that qtscript-on-64bit patch the kdevelop guys recommended for qt?16:20
ubottuKDE bug 305718 in qt "Several applications crash in QtScript initialization [@__memcpy_sse2, QTJSC::JIT::privateCompileCTIMachineTrampolines]" [Crash,Unconfirmed]16:20
rdieterRiddell: yes, we reverted the patch16:20
apacheloggerRiddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=68552416:22
ubottuDebian bug 685524 in qt4-x11 "After upgrading to 4:4.8.2+dfsg-1 kwin segfaults on startup" [Grave,Fixed]16:22
rdieterRiddell: and added a comment @ https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-23871 about the badness16:23
apacheloggerit's interesting how we are the only distro not noticing :P16:23
rdieterseems to only happen on some hardware, not easily reproducible16:24
apacheloggerRiddell: so that seems vastly hardware dependent16:24
apacheloggerrdieter: yeah16:24
apacheloggerRiddell: IMHO that ought to be fixed for beta16:25
apacheloggerbeta is the time when people start looking at things, potentially having a half broken system seems a bit ... wrong16:25
Riddellapachelogger: question is do we just throw up qt without that patch and rebuild the ISOs or do we test it first somehow16:25
apacheloggerRiddell: given the time constraints I'd go with former16:26
apacheloggerwe know it worked without the patch16:26
BluesKajapachelogger, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30591316:26
ubottuKDE bug 305913 in general "Kate crashes upon startup" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate]16:26
apacheloggerso assuming the patches-should-not-depend-conflict-with-each-other rule was applied properly16:26
apacheloggerqt should work all the same without the patch 16:26
BluesKajhmm, resolved ? ...not here 16:27
apacheloggerBluesKaj: it's the issue we are talking about right now16:27
BluesKajright apachelogger , good to know 16:28
apacheloggeruploading 6 more packages to ninjas, I hope this time libs builds16:34
debfxhm none of the 4.9.1 packages have the kdelibs5-dev build-dependency bumped to >= 4.9.116:38
Riddellpage started for UDS http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds16:39
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Quantal bugs: http://goo.gl/ESmab | Status: http://goo.gl/ZGGJP | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | apachelogger: SRU plymouth logo & fix ipod support & cleanup ftpmaster access | UDS-R: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds
Riddellagateau, afiestas, Quintasan: marianna sent around an e-mail to sponsored people and you weren't in the To: line so I guess you didn't make it16:41
RiddellI recommend you e-mail kubuntu-devel asking for sponsorship from the kubuntu-council and why you deserve it and we can decide on that next week16:42
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1046244] plasma-desktop crashes with SIGFAULT on boot @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046244 (by Francesco Ruvolo)16:42
afiestasRiddell: will have to follow uds online, at least this year is in my timezone more or less xd16:44
Riddellafiestas: you don't fancy coming on kubuntu's expenses?16:46
afiestasmmm I have mix feelings about that16:46
Riddellwell we work best as a distro when there's some upstream people around to keep us right16:46
afiestasRiddell: no upstream got sponsored this time?16:49
Riddellnope16:49
Riddellgosh canonical's expense sheet really is an Excel file, I thought that was just a malitious rumour16:57
highvoltageat least they don't have the old distorted ubuntu logo on there anymroe16:58
JontheEchidnaoh, yeah. I've used it before16:58
highvoltage(but they still use Arial :-/)16:58
BluesKajapachelogger, which ninja ppa should I look at for the Qt patches when they are finished building ?17:02
apacheloggerBluesKaj: ninja is in no usable condition17:09
BluesKajyeah  apachelogger I find it confusing and totally disorganized 17:11
BluesKajthe whole setup17:11
apacheloggerwhat steup?17:11
BluesKajthe ppa pages etc 17:12
apacheloggerdon't unstand17:12
apacheloggeralso can't type apparently17:12
apacheloggers/unstand/understand/17:12
kubotuapachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"17:12
BluesKajapachelogger, guess I don't understand either17:16
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yofelBluesKaj: the qtscript patch? that's in the archive for quantal17:21
Riddellqt is building now without the troublesome patch17:24
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1046244] plasma-desktop crashes with SIGFAULT on boot @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046244 (by Francesco Ruvolo)17:44
JontheEchidnahttp://sigfault.com/17:46
jussiO/17:55
Riddellhello jussi lad17:56
jussiGDAY Riddell17:56
jussiapachelogger: around at all? 17:59
apacheloggerno17:59
jussiapachelogger: :D17:59
jussiapachelogger: have you a usb headset?17:59
Riddellhe was moaning about one only the other day18:00
jussilol18:00
jussiI just want him to test my  bug/see it in action...18:00
apacheloggerjussi: no, well yes, not with me tho18:00
jussiapachelogger: ahh, ok, Ill just write the bug down then18:01
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jussiapachelogger: kde bug 30302018:34
ubottuKDE bug 303020 in general "Fallback Master Channel" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30302018:34
jussiNot my bug, but same18:34
apacheloggeryah18:35
apacheloggerpulseaudio integration problem18:35
apacheloggerwe are going to redo kmix from ground up pretty much to fix that18:35
jussiapachelogger: could you click confirm on it?18:36
apacheloggerbut what be the point? :P18:38
apacheloggeractually I am semi-certain there is a report about it somewhere18:38
jussiapachelogger: yes, that is the one... I didnt report it, I found it with the search18:38
apacheloggerah18:39
ScottKOn the off chance whoever's doing -workspace for 4.9.1 didn't see it, mgraesslin's posted on packagers about his fix for the kwin regression.19:07
BluesKajit would be nice to have an integrated master audio suite in kde , where one can setup drivers and volume IOs ctrls , codec settings for digital outs (pavucontrol atm) , all on one GUI , instead of the mishmash that's audio on kubuntu now19:16
BluesKajalsa seemed to do all that until these other sound server layers were implemented 3 yrs ago ...seems alsa has lost it's way for dedicated pci soundcards which need pulseaudio to work with flashaudio on websites 19:20
BluesKajgetting flashaudio on websites to work with alsa directly seems impossible if you run a pci soundcard 19:21
claydohRiddell:  where/what is release-team? irc or ml?19:51
Riddellclaydoh: a mailing list20:03
Riddellclaydoh: and if you can snaffle the most important bugs from the quantal bugs url in the /topic and put them on the beta 1 page and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 that would be awesome20:13
Riddellproofreaders, how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu20:49
Riddell!testers20:50
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em20:50
Riddellnew amd64 images20:50
Riddellapachelogger: can you test to see if the problem has gone away ?20:50
soeeProblem with upgrade ?20:53
BluesKajRiddell, what's up?20:53
Riddellhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds  beta 1 candidate images need testing20:53
Riddellespecially amd64 images which had a bug earlier today20:53
Riddellsoee: I need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu proofread for sanity, no problem expected20:55
Riddelland images tested, testing upgrade would be good too20:56
soeeno problem expected so i can upgrade on my home machine ? :)20:57
Riddellsoee: sure, as long as you're aware it's still in testing20:57
Riddellthen report success or otherwise on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds20:58
Riddellbug 1044657  good thing we're not shipping libreoffice this beta20:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1044657 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Quantal) "[regression] Missing LO menus when not run in Unity" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104465720:59
soeeRiddell, distribution upgrade process started21:01
micahgyeah, apparently it was in the version uploaded during beta freeze21:02
BluesKaj``already have quantal beta installed . only bugs are the odd kate segfault , think I'll pass on reinstalling 21:02
soeeit would be nice to have soome icon for distribution upgrade window21:02
soeefrrrr eroor :D21:03
soeenot enough free space :o requires ~ 2.4 GB21:03
apacheloggerRiddell: y u keep from going to bed :(21:11
soeecan someone explain me why windows changes styles when going into audo mode?21:13
apacheloggerinto what mode?21:14
apacheloggerRiddell: it's le fixed21:15
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/05/plasma-desktopzg2433.png21:15
soeewhy upgrade process wants to remove skype ?21:15
soeebecause ia32libs are going to be removed ?21:16
apacheloggerpossibly21:16
* apachelogger goes to bed21:16
apacheloggernini21:16
soeeapachelogger, apps which require root password to run changes style to default21:16
apacheloggersoee: because apps which require root access are wrong in doing it21:17
Riddellapachelogger: awooga, thanks for testing21:54
soeeit looks like upgrade will take hale night22:15
soee*half22:15

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