[04:45] <shadeslayer> SteveRiley: ping
[04:46] <shadeslayer> did you just get a Event Brite invitation? or a more proper email?
[04:46] <shadeslayer> I've not been to UDS for the last 3 years, so clearly things have changed
[04:46] <shadeslayer> ( somehow that eventbrite invitation landed in my spam )
[04:47] <shadeslayer> or if anyone else got that ^
[04:48] <micahg> shadeslayer: yes, I think that's the new system (for this round at least)
[04:48] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm coming to UDS then \o/
[04:48] <shadeslayer> micahg: for some reason it doesn't say what's sponsored and what's not though
[04:49] <micahg> shadeslayer: I saw you in Florida 2 years ago IIRC
[04:49] <shadeslayer> micahg: yes
[04:49] <shadeslayer> 10.10 right?
[04:49] <micahg> no, 11.04
[04:49] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[04:49]  * shadeslayer just got up, needs coffee
[04:49] <micahg> Maverick (brussels) was my first UDS
[04:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[04:50] <shadeslayer> 11.04 was my first ... after that something or the other came up and prevented me from attending
[05:20] <Tm_T> new KTP in PPA, nice
[05:27] <shadeslayer> :)
[05:27] <shadeslayer> let me know if you find issues
[05:27] <Tm_T> also, looks like I got sponsorship to UDS
[05:27] <shadeslayer> \o/
[06:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's just me who didn't get sponsorship mail yet T_T
[06:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: check your spam folder
[06:22] <shadeslayer> 'twas there for me
[06:22] <shadeslayer> it'll be a event brite email
[06:22] <Quintasan> lawl
[06:22] <shadeslayer> got it?
[06:23] <Quintasan> nope
[06:23] <Quintasan> not there
[06:23] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[06:23] <Quintasan> in:anywhere Event Brite didn't yield anything relevant
[06:24] <jussi> I didnt get sponsored.....
[06:24] <shadeslayer> maybe sometime today?
[06:24] <jussi> oh wait, I didnt apply :P
[06:24] <shadeslayer> lol
[06:24] <shadeslayer> so no kookies for me, sigh
[06:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: that doesnt mean Im not coming...
[06:24] <shadeslayer> oh :D
[06:24] <Quintasan> lol jussi
[06:25] <shadeslayer> right, you're in Euro
[06:25] <shadeslayer> *Europe
[06:25] <jussi> shadeslayer: its a "maybe" at the moment
[06:25] <Quintasan> I DARE YOU TO BRING THOSE DAMN FINNISH SWEETS
[06:25] <Quintasan> I DARE YOU jussi
[06:25] <jussi> Quintasan: hahaha
[06:25] <shadeslayer> what finnish sweets
[06:25] <jussi> the salty ones or the hot ones?
[06:25] <Quintasan> I think you gave me the salty one
[06:25] <jussi> hehe
[06:26] <Quintasan> Because I think I could handle the hot one
[06:26] <jussi> you can probably buy them in denmark...
[06:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: God knows how do they call them but the salty one is awful
[06:26] <jussi> Salmiakki
[06:26] <Quintasan> !!!!
[06:26]  * Quintasan notes the name of the devil's artifact
[06:26] <jussi> haha
[06:26] <shadeslayer> oh yay, sweets that are not sweets
[06:27] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh they have sugar...
[06:27] <shadeslayer> I like those, sugary things make me want to vomit :P
[06:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[06:27] <jussi> just salt also
[06:27] <jussi> its liquorice based
[06:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If you think you like salty things then your will reconsider if jussi gives you one
[06:28] <Quintasan> :P
[06:28] <jussi> hehe
[06:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >mfw jussi gave me one
[06:29] <Quintasan> http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/10419500/10419640_4f0d_625x625.jpg
[06:30] <jussi> haha
[06:31] <Quintasan> Christ, let me know if I should get money for UDS or not
[06:31]  * Quintasan wonders if he can find work fast enough.
[06:37] <shadeslayer> haha
[06:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: jussi listen to this : http://www.youtube.com/user/cokestudioatmtv?feature=results_main
[06:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer sending me music
[06:40] <Quintasan> what kind of sorcery is that
[06:40] <shadeslayer> the best kind
[06:41] <Quintasan> Won't say I understand anything they sing but the music is nice
[06:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[06:43] <Quintasan> However
[06:43] <Quintasan> you can't beat this
[06:43] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k
[06:44] <shadeslayer> basically, the singer is singing out the musical notes in that video
[06:44] <Quintasan> oh
[06:44] <shadeslayer> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swara
[06:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and that's just one song, listen to the other playlists there
[06:51] <shadeslayer> so, who's on precise?
[06:51] <shadeslayer> and likes Firefox
[06:55] <shadeslayer> "Michal Zajac is now Offline"
[06:56] <shadeslayer> hehe
[07:05] <agateau> bambee: great to hear your nephew likes KidMP :)
[07:59] <soee> hmm when i try to run updates with muon i have this error message: operations can not be performed until a valid authorization
[07:59] <soee> so all updates i have to do using terminal and going sudo
[08:00] <soee> muon should prompt for password (and did it before) but even then there was a problem with locking
[08:01] <soee> is it possible that this problems are caused by GNOME? I have installed KDE on normal Ubuntu installation
[08:01] <soee> it was 11.04 -> installed KDE -> upgrade 12.04
[08:21] <tsdgeos> lol, my public launchpad bug just got marked as duplicate of a private one
[08:22] <tsdgeos> what's the point of that?
[08:23] <tsdgeos> is there any chance that https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045755 is owned by any of the distro guys here and make it public so i can see what my bug was marked as duplicate?
[08:24] <bambee> Precise is an excellent LTS... really... kde 4.8 is really stable and fast :)
[08:35] <tsdgeos> Riddell: okular moving to universe?
[08:38] <Riddell> tsdgeos: it's in universe
[08:38] <Riddell> almost all of kde has been moved there
[08:38] <Riddell> which is good, less faff and no translations in launchpad
[08:38] <tsdgeos> Riddell: maybe now you can fix the packaging and include the epub backend?
[08:38] <tsdgeos> oh it's there already
[08:38]  * tsdgeos hits himself
[08:39] <Riddell> yep, another advantage
[08:39] <Riddell> okular-extra-backends.install:usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_epub.so
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Riddell: so you can set https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdegraphics/+bug/277007 as fixed then ;-)
[08:40] <Riddell> it's already set to fixed
[08:40] <Riddell> okular-extra-backends.install:usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_chmlib.so
[08:40] <tsdgeos> well
[08:40] <tsdgeos> just half of it
[08:40] <tsdgeos> the other half says unconfirmed or something
[08:41] <tsdgeos>  Unknown 
[08:43] <Riddell> hmm, I don't know if I can correct that
[08:47] <Riddell> !testers
[08:47] <Riddell> mega beta 1 testing needed
[08:47] <soee> mega?
[08:47] <Riddell> as in everything needs tested by tomorrow
[08:54] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: that bug is already public
[08:55] <shadeslayer> ah someone marked it public 20 minutes ago
[08:55] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: sure, because i complained ;-)
[08:55] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[08:56] <shadeslayer> I hope I don't exceed my 3G Data usage
[09:12]  * Riddell feels left out without confirmation or not of uds sponsorship
[09:12] <Riddell> agateau: did you apply for sponsorship?
[09:12] <agateau> Riddell: I did
[09:12] <Riddell> agateau: get anything back?
[09:13] <agateau> Riddell: not yet
[09:13]  * agateau checks
[09:13] <Riddell> hmm, I hope they don't hold a grudge against us!
[09:14] <agateau> Riddell: i assume we would at least receive a refusal message
[09:19] <shadeslayer> agateau: Riddell check yer spam
[09:19] <agateau> shadeslayer: I just did
[09:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[09:19] <shadeslayer> they're being slow, that's what it is :)
[09:19] <shadeslayer> ( my invitation was in Spam )
[09:27] <Tm_T> mine was in spam folder also
[09:28] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1045755] assistant-qt4 crashed with SIGSEGV in MainWindow::updateApplicationFont() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045755 (by Alexander Langanke)
[09:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: err aye, in my spam it is
[09:39] <Riddell> agateau: worth double checking
[09:41] <agateau> Riddell: who's the sender?
[09:41] <Riddell>  invite@eventbrite.com
[09:42] <agateau> thanks
[09:44] <agateau> Riddell: nope, no luck for me :/
[09:44] <agateau> I mean, no mail
[09:45] <Riddell> agateau: mhall119 is the guy to nudge I beleive
[09:45] <agateau> ok
[09:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: you're coming?
[09:46] <agateau> Riddell: so, are you sponsored?
[09:46] <Riddell> agateau: yep, they still like me
[09:46] <agateau> good :)
[09:47] <agateau> Riddell: when did it arrive?
[09:47] <Riddell> 11:08 (23 hours ago)
[09:48] <agateau> ok, I'll wait until tomorrow then
[09:48] <Riddell> afiestas, apol_: either of you apply?
[09:49] <apol_> Riddell: for UDS? I didn't
[09:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: w00t :D
[09:59] <afiestas> Riddell: i did, didn0t giot any email
[09:59] <afiestas> should I get one either way?
[09:59] <Riddell> afiestas: unsure, agateau is also lacking one
[09:59] <Riddell> afiestas: did you check spam?
[10:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will try, still have to convince my employer and then home
[10:00] <afiestas> Riddell: nope
[10:01] <Riddell> afiestas: check spam for invite@eventbrite.com
[10:01] <afiestas> mmm nope
[10:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay your plasma-desktop init script patch worked, you're a genius
[10:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:04] <Riddell> afiestas: nudge mhall119 if you don't get one soon
[10:04] <shadeslayer> any ideas what should I link against if I use KNotifyConfigWidget?
[10:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libknotifyconfig.so ?
[10:07] <Riddell> at a guess
[10:07] <shadeslayer> sure, but I can't find the appropriate var name :D
[10:07] <shadeslayer> for CMakeLists
[10:08] <Riddell> ./src/CMakeLists.txt:        ${KDE4_KNOTIFYCONFIG_LIBRARY}
[10:08] <Riddell> says konsole sources
[10:08] <shadeslayer> <3
[10:09] <Riddell> mm, this beta image is much better than yesterdays, whatever was making it boot up slow has gone too
[10:10] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[10:11] <shadeslayer> just need to figure out the notificationrc file now
[10:12] <Riddell> remember to killall knotify4 before testing any changes to it
[10:13] <Riddell> seen people waste whole days wondering why changes don't make any difference on that
[10:14] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[10:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: does qapt need to create its own index on first use?
[10:24] <Riddell> or is that a xapian thing I see the progress bar for in the corner of muon?
[10:24] <Riddell> mm must be, update-apt-xapian is running
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do wonder, did you start muon right after login of a new system?
[10:32] <Riddell> I did this time yes
[10:32] <apachelogger> because I very much believe the update ought to be triggered by update checking which does not kick in until 1 minute after kded was started
[10:32] <Riddell> ah then I might be testing too much :)
[10:32] <apachelogger> *update of xapian being triggered by muon's update notifier that is ^^
[10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: yah, it's a marginal design issue
[10:33] <apachelogger> well "issue"
[10:33] <apachelogger> if we had not moved update checking back one minute it would xapian update right at login
[10:33] <apachelogger> suffice to say that this would make first login even more sluggish
[10:49] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[10:54] <shadeslayer> whee, per contact notifications done in ktp :)
[10:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does that mean?
[10:55] <Riddell> "I only want to be bothered by shadeslayer, nobody else is worthy of a popup on my screen"?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now you can stalk people as they come online
[10:55] <shadeslayer> yes :P
[10:56] <shadeslayer> you can change the settings so that there's a notification as soon as I come online
[10:56] <Riddell> at last, I'll never miss your presense again! :)
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:57] <shadeslayer> next up is jussi's request for password protected jabber chatrooms
[10:57] <apachelogger> oh
[10:57] <apachelogger> I forgot meta-kde
[10:57] <apachelogger> wooh
[10:57] <apachelogger> also
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is no one using meta-kde bzr branch? Oo
[10:58] <apachelogger> ah
[10:58] <apachelogger> only ubuntu3 missing
[10:58] <shadeslayer> -> goes off to find something to eat
[10:58] <apachelogger> (as usual)
[10:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: +++++++++++++
[10:58] <shadeslayer> bbl
[10:58] <apachelogger> funy how we have ubuntu3 not in the archive :O
[10:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's up with that?
[10:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: my fail?
[10:59] <apachelogger> well, you upped it to ninjas
[10:59] <apachelogger>   * Bump to 4.9.0
[10:59] <apachelogger>  -- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>   Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:06:05 +0100
[11:00] <apachelogger> I guess we'll simply do 4.9.1 as ubuntu3 upload to archive
[11:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: that would save me from looking bad :)
[11:01] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, if you have a minute ... https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages do you get 404s when trying to access files there?
[11:02] <apachelogger> been getting them with buildlogs too, so it is getting a bit suspicious
[11:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: analitza_4.9.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc  downloads fine
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: and meta-kde?
[11:04] <Riddell> kde-full_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1_all.deb and kdemultimedia_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1_all.deb: fine 
[11:04] <Riddell> meta-kde_76~pre1ubuntu3~ppa1.dsc fine too
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm, so lunchpad really doesn't like me
[11:05] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:05] <Riddell> maybe so
[11:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: let me know if you need me to download anything
[11:17] <apachelogger> oh la la
[11:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer commited a new upstream release to kde4libs and that is now messing with my dpkg-build
[11:18] <apachelogger> boohooo I say, good sir
[11:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: libqapt will need the apt xapian index to be present before search functionality will work, yes.
[11:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does update notifier trigger that?
[11:20] <JontheEchidna> Currently, when a LibQApt client initializes the QApt::Backend object, it compares the time stamp of the apt cache and xapian cache.
[11:20] <JontheEchidna> and then uses the qapt worker to invoke update-apt-xapian-index as root
[11:20] <JontheEchidna> the notifier doesn't have anything to do with it tho
[11:21] <JontheEchidna> but perhaps it could, as it takes ~5-15 seconds to build the cache from scratch
[11:21] <JontheEchidna> making a ~5-15 second peroid where search will not work right off the bat
[11:21] <JontheEchidna> if the notifier did that, we could hope that the notifier's xapian update will get done before the user wants to start up the muon package manager
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> was that your thought?
[11:22] <apachelogger> aye
[11:22] <apachelogger> I think only the first start scenario is affected anyway
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> makes a good bit of sense. I gotta get ready for classes tho
[11:22] <apachelogger> after that IIRC xapian will update automatically when something in the database changes, no?
[11:22] <apachelogger> otherwise it would be even better
[11:23] <JontheEchidna> I seem to have to manually invoke it whenever the apt cache changes
[11:23] <apachelogger> 90% of cases you do not log in and start the package manager right away
[11:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why that is sort of spooky
[11:23] <JontheEchidna> well, it's not a daemon, so....
[11:23] <apachelogger> in that case periodic triggers via the update daemon would be cool ;)
[11:23] <JontheEchidna> I think it has a daily cron job or smth
[11:24] <JontheEchidna> nvm, it doesn't
[11:24] <apachelogger> I realize it is not a daemon, but there certainly could/should be some sort of hook functionality to enable it to do smaller incremental updates than once a day, or once someone triggers it
[11:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that'd be nice. though it does go a lot quicker if there's a cache already and you invoke an update over dbus
[11:26] <JontheEchidna> compared to starting with nothing
[11:27] <JontheEchidna> all I know is that somehow it provides sub-100 ms searches (in most cases) that provide mostly relevant results (in most cases)
[11:27] <apachelogger> yeah, but from a purely architectural pov that still can turn out bad when between two updates a large number of changes occured
[11:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sorry about that, didn't realize that the script pushed changes as well
[11:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah it does
[11:27]  * apachelogger does not like it
[11:28] <shadeslayer> indeed, I realized it after it had pushed it
[11:28] <apachelogger> I will probably work on a design proposal that allows for better scaling
[11:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:28] <apachelogger> i.e. the you-need-to-restart-from-sctach-on-fail is pissing me off royally
[11:28] <shadeslayer> haha 
[11:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you push more than kde4libs?
[11:29] <shadeslayer> so, this hospital is weird ... no 4th and 13th floors
[11:29] <apachelogger> :O
[11:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't *think* so, but I could be wrong
[11:30] <JontheEchidna> covering both the chinese and western superstitions, I suppose
[11:30] <apachelogger> lol
[11:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: didn't realize there was a superstition about the 4th floor
[11:31]  * apachelogger mumbles something about needing a hair cut and starts a search for the holy grail^Wphone
[11:31] <JontheEchidna> apparently the word for "4" sounds like "hell" in chinese
[11:31] <shadeslayer> oh .. wow
[11:31] <JontheEchidna> so it's considered unlucky
[11:32] <apachelogger> why that was obvious
[11:32] <Riddell> I did wonder if we should jump straight to KDE 5 back in the day, but the chinese guy I asked said not to worry
[11:32] <JontheEchidna> :P
[11:32] <apachelogger> good news everyone!
[11:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:32] <apachelogger> half of .1 was not uploaded and I do not know why
[11:32] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I did see half of .1 in ninjas and assumed you uploaded it
[11:33] <shadeslayer> on purpose
[11:33] <apachelogger> well, I uploaded all except the 3 pkgs that did not build a source
[11:33] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:33] <apachelogger> and according to dput's upload files everything was upped
[11:34] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/544352/
[11:35] <shadeslayer> launchpad was hungry and ate them
[11:35] <apachelogger> yah
[11:36] <apachelogger> lunchpad doesn't like me anymore it seems
[11:36] <apachelogger> it's also not like I got an email about it being rejected or anything
[11:36] <shadeslayer> maybe they got rejected ?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ah ...
[11:36] <shadeslayer> email about it being accepted ?
[11:36] <apachelogger> well they clearly got rejected
[11:36] <apachelogger> lunchpad just doesn't tell me about it
[11:37] <apachelogger> (there is no record of lunchpad ever knowing about the package)
[11:37] <apachelogger> ohooooo!
[11:38] <apachelogger> they are not signed
[11:39] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[11:42] <apachelogger> probably was bad copy'n'paste on my part, one line being newlined before the end screwing up half the signing
[11:47] <Riddell> anyone able to test beta 1 candidate amd64 CD? since someone has reported plasma crashes on startup on it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22548/testcases
[11:48] <apachelogger> no stick available
[11:50]  * apachelogger complains about the lack of backtrace
[11:52] <Riddell> claydoh: yo
[11:52] <claydoh> hi Riddell just got home, and irc back online
[11:53] <claydoh> will be doing release stuff today after sleep, then I get to replace motherboard in my laptop yay!
[11:57] <Riddell> thanks claydoh  :)
[11:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: bzr: ERROR: An error (1) occurred running quilt: Patch kubuntu_plasma_init_script.diff does not exist
[11:58] <apachelogger> kde-workspace
[11:59] <apachelogger> you forgot to commit the diff
[11:59] <apachelogger> (bzr issues sure a common these days :()
[11:59] <Riddell> gah
[12:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: committed
[12:00] <apachelogger> danke
[12:02] <claydoh> Riddell: apachelogger: anything you or anyone feels needing inclusion in the notes, please let me know
[12:06] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[12:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you push your missing commit to kdenetwork yet?
[12:23] <apachelogger> 15 packages still missing from ninjas
[12:23] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/544370/
[12:23] <apachelogger> if anyone wants to pick that up, I'll be away for an hour or so
[12:23] <apachelogger> also libs is ftbfs
[12:23] <apachelogger> hooray
[12:27] <apachelogger> libs needs the so names changed everywhere to .1
[12:27]  * apachelogger gone now
[12:53] <Riddell> hi mparillo 
[12:54] <mparillo> Riddell: Hi.
[12:59] <Riddell> claydoh: search through my posts to release-team to get feature updates
[13:05] <shadeslayer> huh ? my missing commit ? also I will most likely not be able to do a lot today, most likely tomorrow ...
[13:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[13:07] <shadeslayer> only have 75 MB's of data left :P
[13:12] <Riddell> nobody type anything, it'll waste shadeslayer's bandwidth!
[13:12] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come you're so short?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not at home, and recharged with the cheapest plan that was available for data
[13:14] <shadeslayer> I didn't realize I would be staying at the hospital overnight
[13:14] <Riddell> mm, someone ill?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> yeah, my uncle ...
[13:16] <Riddell> best of luck with that then
[13:17] <shadeslayer> oh, they say they'll discharge him tomorrow :)
[13:18] <shadeslayer> could someone test ff from : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[13:25]  * Riddell installs
[13:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: starts up, what am I looking for?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: things like the save dialog should be the one from KDE
[13:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope :(
[13:27] <shadeslayer> O_o
[13:27] <shadeslayer> correct version et all ?
[13:28] <Riddell> firefox: Installed: 15.0+build1-0ubuntu2~ppa3
[13:28] <Riddell> seems to be
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what about the open dialog
[13:30] <shadeslayer> and by save dialog I mean the ui that pops up and asks where you want to save things
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ugly and gtk
[13:30] <shadeslayer> humbug
[13:33] <debfx> ScottK: if no one is working on the ibus stuff we should separate it from 4.8.5 and upload it proposed
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: precise ?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> nvm
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: works just fine here
[13:44] <shadeslayer> how odd
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah I know
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you need Firefox-kde-support
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[13:48] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, is that still FF 14.1 in the ppa ? or is it upgraded to 15 yet ?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I need testers for precise + ff 15
[13:49] <shadeslayer> see backlog
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm on quantal here ... my precise install is maintained with stable apps , hence my stable fallback OS 
[13:54] <shadeslayer> hmm , you can test for quantal as well
[13:55] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok I'll test FF 15 on quantal if you wish 
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:55] <shadeslayer> erm
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> yeah :)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> make sure you install Firefox-kde-support from the blue shell ppa
[13:56] <apachelogger> :(
[13:56]  * shadeslayer tickles apachelogger
[13:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you uploadered kdednetwork but did not commit/push to bzr
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:57] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+changelog
[13:57]  * shadeslayer tickles apachelogger some more
[13:57] <apachelogger> the mighty lunchpad knows it all
[13:58] <apachelogger> anyone uploaded anything while I was away?
[13:58] <apachelogger> WRT .1
[13:59] <shadeslayer> don't think so
[13:59] <apachelogger> u all lazy, me sad
[14:01] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  There'a also a Kamera patch that just went into Debian we probably want.
[14:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just strapped for bandwidth today
[14:02] <apachelogger> it's because Riddell types so much!
[14:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:03]  * apachelogger picks nose while waiting for kdelibs to proudce a source pkg
[14:06] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1011961] sftp connection with password fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011961 (by Arrigo Marchiori)
[14:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, nice and KDE now
[14:06] <apachelogger> what's this then? bug day?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yay
[14:08] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, is that a different FF-kde-support than the one for 14.1 ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> because I have FF kde-support already installed 
[14:10] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: nope, that's fine
[14:10] <shadeslayer> just upgrade ff
[14:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok good
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yup already did 
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: me thinks we can drop kde.js
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: me thinks we can drop kde.js when the mighty opensuse does
[14:11] <shadeslayer> just need to talk to opensuse people as to why they have it
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ask wstephenson
[14:12] <shadeslayer> *will ask ...
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: did you get some sort of confirmation for UDS?
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can reproduce the crashery of plasma on amd64
[15:06] <apachelogger> qt 4.8.2 bug that is
[15:11] <apachelogger> actually
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: are we going for .3 in quantal?
[15:16] <Quintasan_> YES
[15:16] <Quintasan_> THEY FIXED MY INTERNET
[15:16] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer: 
[15:16] <Quintasan_> nope
[15:16] <Quintasan_> not yet, strange
[15:16] <apachelogger> :(
[15:16] <sreich> oh man i know that feeling..broken internet
[15:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:16]  * apachelogger tickles Quintasan
[15:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what?
[15:17] <Quintasan> I didn't break anything
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I was born with a broken internet, you merely adopted it
[15:18]  * apachelogger shrugs and fires up the dragon
[15:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What was the sender name again?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:19] <shadeslayer> invite@eventbrite.com
[15:20] <Quintasan> nope
[15:20] <Quintasan> nothing
[15:20] <Quintasan> Who do I blame for this?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ask Marianna or Mhall
[15:25] <shadeslayer> sooo ..... no precise users?
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can't backtrace tho :(
[15:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[15:27] <apachelogger> I use maverick
[15:27] <shadeslayer> good on you
[15:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Ha, mhall said some mails didn
[15:40] <Quintasan> didn't make it
[15:40] <shadeslayer> so you're coming?
[15:41] <Quintasan> dunno
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> haha, my dad sent me this link: http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2012/9/4/how-to-judge.html
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> I'm fairly sure we've had the conversation on the bottom-left panel ;-)
[15:51] <apachelogger> lol
[15:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: uh oh, does it just crash on boot up?
[16:01] <apachelogger> yep
[16:01] <apachelogger> well, when you choose the login option and the session starts
[16:02] <Riddell> damn
[16:02] <apachelogger> I actually cannot find the Qt bug
[16:02] <apachelogger> but it is the same crash as seen here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305913
[16:02] <apachelogger> I think amarok has that too
[16:03] <Riddell> ug
[16:06] <Riddell> qscript to blame?
[16:06] <Riddell> could be patch kubuntu_36_qtscript_64bit.diff recommended by KDevelop authors. Fix JIT crash on x86-64
[16:07] <apachelogger> oh, very possible
[16:07] <apachelogger> I only saw kubuntu based reports thus far
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you can't get a backtrace what makes you think it's https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305913 ?
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: unless qtscript is completely broken there ought not be that many reasons to crash in a ctor
[16:10] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder how to assess how common this bug is, would be bad to release a beta which crashes on boot up for lots of people
[16:10]  * apachelogger needs to look at patch
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd say potentially all of 64bit is affected though
[16:11] <Riddell> worked fine for me
[16:12] <apachelogger> well, I only tried in vbox so all of vbox + 64bit ;)
[16:13] <apachelogger> we do have a lot of patches in qt
[16:14] <apachelogger> read: we have too many patches in qt
[16:16] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_fix_build_glib_231.diff
[16:16] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, some are probly needed , getting Qt errors in kate segfaults here on quantal 
[16:16] <apachelogger> half a year is a long temporary
[16:16] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: huh?
[16:16] <apachelogger> please elaborate
[16:17] <apachelogger> danimo: when is qt 4.8.3 due? I noticed it is already tagged
[16:17] <BluesKaj> wish I would have saved that last pastebin ..hangon
[16:17] <danimo> apachelogger: I have no idea frankly
[16:17] <danimo> apachelogger: did you try asking in #qt-labs?
[16:17] <apachelogger> nah, too lazy
[16:18] <danimo> apachelogger: I think due to the transfer things got a bit deferred
[16:20] <Riddell> rdieter: I see bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305718 is reported on fedora too, do you use that qtscript-on-64bit patch the kdevelop guys recommended for qt?
[16:20] <rdieter> Riddell: yes, we reverted the patch
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685524
[16:23] <rdieter> Riddell: and added a comment @ https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-23871 about the badness
[16:23] <apachelogger> it's interesting how we are the only distro not noticing :P
[16:24] <rdieter> seems to only happen on some hardware, not easily reproducible
[16:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: so that seems vastly hardware dependent
[16:24] <apachelogger> rdieter: yeah
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO that ought to be fixed for beta
[16:25] <apachelogger> beta is the time when people start looking at things, potentially having a half broken system seems a bit ... wrong
[16:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: question is do we just throw up qt without that patch and rebuild the ISOs or do we test it first somehow
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: given the time constraints I'd go with former
[16:26] <apachelogger> we know it worked without the patch
[16:26] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305913
[16:26] <apachelogger> so assuming the patches-should-not-depend-conflict-with-each-other rule was applied properly
[16:26] <apachelogger> qt should work all the same without the patch 
[16:27] <BluesKaj> hmm, resolved ? ...not here 
[16:27] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: it's the issue we are talking about right now
[16:28] <BluesKaj> right apachelogger , good to know 
[16:34] <apachelogger> uploading 6 more packages to ninjas, I hope this time libs builds
[16:38] <debfx> hm none of the 4.9.1 packages have the kdelibs5-dev build-dependency bumped to >= 4.9.1
[16:39] <Riddell> page started for UDS http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds
[16:41] <Riddell> agateau, afiestas, Quintasan: marianna sent around an e-mail to sponsored people and you weren't in the To: line so I guess you didn't make it
[16:42] <Riddell> I recommend you e-mail kubuntu-devel asking for sponsorship from the kubuntu-council and why you deserve it and we can decide on that next week
[16:42] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1046244] plasma-desktop crashes with SIGFAULT on boot @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046244 (by Francesco Ruvolo)
[16:44] <afiestas> Riddell: will have to follow uds online, at least this year is in my timezone more or less xd
[16:46] <Riddell> afiestas: you don't fancy coming on kubuntu's expenses?
[16:46] <afiestas> mmm I have mix feelings about that
[16:46] <Riddell> well we work best as a distro when there's some upstream people around to keep us right
[16:49] <afiestas> Riddell: no upstream got sponsored this time?
[16:49] <Riddell> nope
[16:57] <Riddell> gosh canonical's expense sheet really is an Excel file, I thought that was just a malitious rumour
[16:58] <highvoltage> at least they don't have the old distorted ubuntu logo on there anymroe
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. I've used it before
[16:58] <highvoltage> (but they still use Arial :-/)
[17:02] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, which ninja ppa should I look at for the Qt patches when they are finished building ?
[17:09] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: ninja is in no usable condition
[17:11] <BluesKaj> yeah  apachelogger I find it confusing and totally disorganized 
[17:11] <BluesKaj> the whole setup
[17:11] <apachelogger> what steup?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> the ppa pages etc 
[17:12] <apachelogger> don't unstand
[17:12] <apachelogger> also can't type apparently
[17:12] <apachelogger> s/unstand/understand/
[17:12] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:16] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, guess I don't understand either
[17:21] <yofel> BluesKaj: the qtscript patch? that's in the archive for quantal
[17:24] <Riddell> qt is building now without the troublesome patch
[17:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1046244] plasma-desktop crashes with SIGFAULT on boot @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046244 (by Francesco Ruvolo)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> http://sigfault.com/
[17:55] <jussi> O/
[17:56] <Riddell> hello jussi lad
[17:56] <jussi> GDAY Riddell
[17:59] <jussi> apachelogger: around at all? 
[17:59] <apachelogger> no
[17:59] <jussi> apachelogger: :D
[17:59] <jussi> apachelogger: have you a usb headset?
[18:00] <Riddell> he was moaning about one only the other day
[18:00] <jussi> lol
[18:00] <jussi> I just want him to test my  bug/see it in action...
[18:00] <apachelogger> jussi: no, well yes, not with me tho
[18:01] <jussi> apachelogger: ahh, ok, Ill just write the bug down then
[18:34] <jussi> apachelogger: kde bug 303020
[18:34] <jussi> Not my bug, but same
[18:35] <apachelogger> yah
[18:35] <apachelogger> pulseaudio integration problem
[18:35] <apachelogger> we are going to redo kmix from ground up pretty much to fix that
[18:36] <jussi> apachelogger: could you click confirm on it?
[18:38] <apachelogger> but what be the point? :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> actually I am semi-certain there is a report about it somewhere
[18:38] <jussi> apachelogger: yes, that is the one... I didnt report it, I found it with the search
[18:39] <apachelogger> ah
[19:07] <ScottK> On the off chance whoever's doing -workspace for 4.9.1 didn't see it, mgraesslin's posted on packagers about his fix for the kwin regression.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> it would be nice to have an integrated master audio suite in kde , where one can setup drivers and volume IOs ctrls , codec settings for digital outs (pavucontrol atm) , all on one GUI , instead of the mishmash that's audio on kubuntu now
[19:20] <BluesKaj> alsa seemed to do all that until these other sound server layers were implemented 3 yrs ago ...seems alsa has lost it's way for dedicated pci soundcards which need pulseaudio to work with flashaudio on websites 
[19:21] <BluesKaj> getting flashaudio on websites to work with alsa directly seems impossible if you run a pci soundcard 
[19:51] <claydoh> Riddell:  where/what is release-team? irc or ml?
[20:03] <Riddell> claydoh: a mailing list
[20:13] <Riddell> claydoh: and if you can snaffle the most important bugs from the quantal bugs url in the /topic and put them on the beta 1 page and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 that would be awesome
[20:49] <Riddell> proofreaders, how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:50] <Riddell> !testers
[20:50] <Riddell> new amd64 images
[20:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you test to see if the problem has gone away ?
[20:53] <soee> Problem with upgrade ?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> Riddell, what's up?
[20:53] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds  beta 1 candidate images need testing
[20:53] <Riddell> especially amd64 images which had a bug earlier today
[20:55] <Riddell> soee: I need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu proofread for sanity, no problem expected
[20:56] <Riddell> and images tested, testing upgrade would be good too
[20:57] <soee> no problem expected so i can upgrade on my home machine ? :)
[20:57] <Riddell> soee: sure, as long as you're aware it's still in testing
[20:58] <Riddell> then report success or otherwise on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds
[20:59] <Riddell> bug 1044657  good thing we're not shipping libreoffice this beta
[21:01] <soee> Riddell, distribution upgrade process started
[21:02] <micahg> yeah, apparently it was in the version uploaded during beta freeze
[21:02] <BluesKaj> ``already have quantal beta installed . only bugs are the odd kate segfault , think I'll pass on reinstalling 
[21:02] <soee> it would be nice to have soome icon for distribution upgrade window
[21:03] <soee> frrrr eroor :D
[21:03] <soee> not enough free space :o requires ~ 2.4 GB
[21:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: y u keep from going to bed :(
[21:13] <soee> can someone explain me why windows changes styles when going into audo mode?
[21:14] <apachelogger> into what mode?
[21:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's le fixed
[21:15] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/05/plasma-desktopzg2433.png
[21:15] <soee> why upgrade process wants to remove skype ?
[21:16] <soee> because ia32libs are going to be removed ?
[21:16] <apachelogger> possibly
[21:16]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[21:16] <apachelogger> nini
[21:16] <soee> apachelogger, apps which require root password to run changes style to default
[21:17] <apachelogger> soee: because apps which require root access are wrong in doing it
[21:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga, thanks for testing
[22:15] <soee> it looks like upgrade will take hale night
[22:15] <soee> *half